Bowling for Columbine....I rented it.


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NIGHTWATCH
September 11, 2003, 12:21 AM
Yes, I gave into the temptation. The kind of temptation that you feel when you hear that someone wrote something about you on the bathroom wall. I wanted to know. :cool:

What I will tell you is that this film is not only about guns. It is about many things. The one thing that does emerge from it is the huge role that media plays in creating a culture of fear and the fortunes that are reaped as a result.

I would say that all gunowners should see this film. This is not a pro RKBA film but it did help me to see that we gunowners had better stop engaging gun control advocates on the grounds of crime. We had better remind this nation that the Second Amendment is about having the ability to overthrow government. And we had better stop associating ourselves unconditonally with any political party other than "We the People".

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Spieler
September 11, 2003, 01:08 AM
I have been tempted to rent this thing since it came out on DVD, just for the curiosity factor. I think I have a "rent one, get one free" coupon somewhere.:p

Blain
September 11, 2003, 01:08 AM
*Sigh*.....you bought into his lies..... Read the following immediately!

"Bowling for Columbine" is unfactual propaganda, not a documentry.
http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

BigC
September 11, 2003, 01:20 AM
I would not give One thin dime to that walking puss factory. I do not need to see crap to know it stinks.

MAKOwner
September 11, 2003, 02:12 AM
I downloaded it to watch it free awhile back, I caught several of the inconsistencies but had no idea the depth of BS in it till I checked out the hardylaw link shortly thereafter. Moore has done a massive disservice to this country with his crap, and I may indeed hurl if I hear one more sheeple sucker talking about what a great documentary it is... Several have completely reversed their opinion when the truth was layed out though, so there is hope...

jsalcedo
September 11, 2003, 02:22 AM
This Michael Moore Bowling for columbine viewing dilema reminds me of an old skit:


A Russian officer and his subordinate are walking through the snow when they come across some "excrement"

Officer: What Dat?

Solider: Look like S***

Officer: Pick up!

Solider: What?

Officer:PICK UP!

Officer: SMELL!

Solider: Sniff, pwew!

Soldier: Smell like S***.

Officer: Good thing we not step in it.

NIGHTWATCH
September 11, 2003, 02:25 AM
I have read everything there is to read about the bias of this film against gunownership. I just had to see it for myself, and Im glad I did. :) Some thoughts...

*We talk often here about SHTF scenarios all the time. This movie leaves me with the impression that "We the People" have all the information we need to justify a revolution and know that it is coming. Someone just has to start it though. Until then, things are getting kinda crazy. Times are kinda.....well, constipated. :rolleyes:

It also confirmed what I have said previously about the NRA, it needs to diversify. It needs very much to give people of color a chance to share their spotlight and show the world that gunownership is not a "white thang" only. To show that the white man in America is not driven to gun ownership because of his deep and binding fear of the black man.

*Moore got to spend some time with the "Michigan Militia" and it was a positive.

*My advice, dont be afraid or ashamed to see this film. As a gunowner, Im so glad I did. It has helped me to see what time it is. We are being manipulated in the worst way. We the people are being mislead, herded, used, abused and left for dead. And a revolution is inevitable.

*The point that moore sided with the ANTI'S in a big way was when he concluded that a society that is driven by such great fear should not have guns. Thats when it occured to me that it is time for the S to HTF.

*I was pretty upset to see those 2 punks walking through the school (caught on security camera) as if they were GODS. It angered me to think that not one teacher or adult had a gun to put them down early, saving many lives.

This film was an education. And any gunowner who is serious about the 2A had better see it. To not do so would be foolish and ignorant. How else can I argue in defense of the 2A if I dont know what I am talking about? I needed to see it in order to make a case. Just my 2.

Destructo6
September 11, 2003, 02:42 AM
I was forced to watch "Roger and Me" recently for a film studies class. Luckily, the professor included some very scathing criticisms in the course reader. There was much in the film that was completely bogus and I would have missed it had it not been pointed out in the criticism.

For example, it "documents" Flint, MI during the 1986 final shutdowns and shows R. Reagan touring the area, giving encouragement. What it doesn't say is that Reagan never visited Flint in 1986: the footage is from his 1980 Presidential campaign, long before the final shutdown. Another problem among many was that Moore implied that the shutdown cost 30,000 jobs overnight. In fact, it was a long-term (decades) phased shutdown.

One can only wonder the impression it gave those not privy to similar criticism.

feedthehogs
September 11, 2003, 04:32 AM
Always view and review what the enemy is doing.

You can't intelligently rebut if you don't know what was said.

Also you won't be caught with your pants around your ankles during an attack.

NewShooter78
September 11, 2003, 07:46 AM
I rented it too when it first came out. I wouldn't see it in the theatre, because there was no way I was going to spend 7 or 8 bucks to go see it, and I didn't want to be around all those anti sheeple. But in renting it I saw right through the lies, and have armed myself with info to rebute any anti that would use this as an argument for gun control. We do have to know what the "enemy" is putting forth in their arguments.

This is not a documentary, and it is just propaganda for the far left. There is one good point, though, and it is how the media perpetuates a state of fear in the American public. Too bad Moore is in fact part of that media and perpetuates the problem himself. We need to tar and feather him, so to speak, in the media spotlight. And I hope that he does loose his Oscar.

Dan Morris
September 11, 2003, 07:56 AM
I will not rent nor buy this drival Putting a $$ in his pocket is all he wants. Living live in the Columbine area for 14 years showed the inaccuracy of this film....moved about 90 days ago.
Dan

dinosaur
September 11, 2003, 08:25 AM
It`ll probably be on one of the women`s channels on basic cable soon. Still won`t watch it. However, if it appears on the History Channel or True etc, there will be war! :cuss:

OF
September 11, 2003, 09:50 AM
It also confirmed what I have said previously about the NRA, it needs to diversify. It needs very much to give people of color a chance to share their spotlight and show the world that gunownership is not a "white thang" only. To show that the white man in America is not driven to gun ownership because of his deep and binding fear of the black man.It is not the NRA's fault that more black men do not join. If black men wish to join, they can join. If any man, woman or child in this entire country wishes to join, they can. It is not my responsibility (me being "the white man" :barf: ) to show anyone anything. If some people ("the black man" :barf: ) hold ridiculous phobias about the motivations of entire other races (which is ridiculous in itself, that an entire race of humans are of one mind) that is their problem. People do not have to be given the spotlight, they only need to take it.

There is no racism in this country, only racist people.

- Gabe

spacemanspiff
September 11, 2003, 01:16 PM
we all know moore to be a lying sack of doo-doo, but everyone else will continue to think he is a great person for revealing 'truths'. just the other day on the FX show 'niptuck', they referenced it by saying 'i watched a DOCUMENTARY recently in which a man named Marilyn Manson was asked what he would say to kids today, and he said 'i wouldnt say anything to them, i'd listen to what they have to say'.

i downloaded BfC and couldnt even make it all the way through it. it was too frustrating to hear his belittlement of this country and its founders.
"oh gee, the scaredycats were AFRAID of being oppressed so they fled like cowards to another country.
then they were AFRAID of the indians so they killed as many as they could and took their land.
then they were AFRAID to do any actual work so they enslaved africans.
then they were AFRAID of the africans and the kkk was formed."

Henry Bowman
September 11, 2003, 01:24 PM
Second Amendment is about having the ability to overthrow government.
I'm with you, but I'd rather see you put it as "resist the government" or "resist government control."

Skunkabilly
September 11, 2003, 01:28 PM
It also confirmed what I have said previously about the NRA, it needs to diversify. It needs very much to give people of color a chance to share their spotlight and show the world that gunownership is not a "white thang" only.

Half the people at the ranges around here are Asian. Does that count? Moore is the one neglecting the non-white shooting population. He ought to come out to one of our IPSC matches, and bring a Tagalog interpreter :D

spacemanspiff
September 11, 2003, 02:22 PM
just tell him theres platters and platters of lumpei, he'd definitely show! so would i, for that matter. god i love lumpei! (spelling?)

Zedicus
September 11, 2003, 02:26 PM
I'm currently dowloading bfc since I both can't afford to even rent it, and i don't want to give the fat turd any income from me.

and from the 15 minutes i have watched of the partal file sofar, I can only say that I wish the turd a very long and misrable life, If anyone thinks that he deserves a bullet between his eyes, I think not.

He's not worth the cost of the bullet, & i don't think anyone would want to dirty a bullet on filth like him.

Trempel
September 11, 2003, 02:33 PM
In this case, I'm thankful for media piracy. That tub of lying, commie lard didn't get a single red cent from me.

Andrew Rothman
September 11, 2003, 02:48 PM
...[T]he NRA, it needs to diversify. It needs very much to give people of color a chance to share their spotlight and show the world that gunownership is not a "white thang" only. To show that the white man in America is not driven to gun ownership because of his deep and binding fear of the black man.

It is not the NRA's fault that more black men do not join. If black men wish to join, they can join. If any man, woman or child in this entire country wishes to join, they can. It is not my responsibility (me being "the white man" ) to show anyone anything.


You're missing the point. Increasing black (and all the other shades of human pigment) membership in the NRA is a very politically sound move, and benefits the whole organization, not just the individuals. It's just good politics.

Matt

4v50 Gary
September 11, 2003, 03:06 PM
Nightwatch - you like pain, don't you. ;) If it was for free, I'd see it but I wouldn't rent it. Glad you've an open mind to see it. Me, it has to be free so MM doesn't make a centavo off of me.

Carlos Cabeza
September 11, 2003, 03:09 PM
You're missing the point. Increasing black (and all the other shades of human pigment) membership in the NRA is a very politically sound move, and benefits the whole organization, not just the individuals. It's just good politics.

Matt, how would you suggest the NRA boost diversity ? Shooting sports are definitely a cultural gap that we do not share with minorities. My love for shooting was cultivated at a very young age from a man who's love for shooting started in much the same way (from his father). I do not discriminate, I will invite ANYONE to the range with the intention of teaching safety and handling procedures. I just don't get many black participants. :(

OF
September 11, 2003, 04:08 PM
We can't force people to join.

- Gabe

NIGHTWATCH
September 11, 2003, 08:36 PM
As far as the NRA, I know that it is up to all minorities to join. They have to get involved. I just think that after watching this film (If you havent yet seen it than how can you make a determination on what I am saying) that if the NRA had an Asian or black or latino figure head, it would go a long way in showing the world that gun ownership in America is alive and well and here to stay. Something the LIBS would fear and tremble. :uhoh:

Its just common sense. Minority gun owners dont want to be politically homeless. Put a face on it, AND THEY WILL COME. :D

ed dixon
September 11, 2003, 09:21 PM
So... Patton should not have read Rommel's book because ol' Erwin might've gotten a four-cent royalty? Hell, I watch TV preachers sometimes just for the pure amusement of their daffy company. I'm not sure that makes me a fan or a supporter. I watched "The Pianist" too because I heard it was good. Not bad, somewhat dry and slow. That doesn't mean Polanski's not a scumbag. I've read books by prisoners, fundamentalists, socialists and paranoid fanatics because I wanted to know how they thought, how they defended their positions and maybe even what led them to their beliefs. Heart surgeons don't avert their eyes from clogged arteries because they're "baaad, baaad." They study the problem to better understand how to fix or defeat it. Sheesh.

Covey Rise
September 11, 2003, 09:26 PM
That way he loses money for making crap.

www.zeropaid.com

get kazaa lite

then go to video search and type in bowling for columbine

download it and watch it on windows media player

you get to screw michael good that way.

:evil: :evil: :evil:

ed dixon
September 11, 2003, 09:34 PM
That's not a bad solution, if I didn't hate the idea of sitting at a desk and watching a whole movie on a small computer monitor. Moore's already mentally ill and rich. Some video rentals by the opposition aren't gonna make him a whole lot more of either. Hell, I get the porn just to rebuke it.

OF
September 12, 2003, 10:23 AM
just download it for free off KazaaThat happens to be illegal. It may make you feel better, but it's still illegal.

- Gabe

Covey Rise
September 12, 2003, 11:53 AM
So don't think your doing anything too terrible. As long as someone doesnt make copies and sell it no one is going come after you. I personally would not waster my time to download and watch the movie, but those who want to see it go ahead, compared to speeding it's much safer to download, on a getting busted standpoint. No one get busted for downloading stuff. If your really worried about just install a personal firewall to block your ip and no one can tell who downloaded it untill someone figures out how too decipher the new 128 firewall code, which will be at least 10 years.

OF
September 12, 2003, 12:31 PM
I'm not making any value judgements, just stating the fact so people reading this who may not know it realize that what is being discussed and advocated is, in fact, illegal.

That's all.

- Gabe

Skunkabilly
September 12, 2003, 12:49 PM
As far as the NRA, I know that it is up to all minorities to join. They have to get involved. I just think that after watching this film (If you havent yet seen it than how can you make a determination on what I am saying) that if the NRA had an Asian or black or latino figure head, it would go a long way in showing the world that gun ownership in America is alive and well and here to stay. Something the LIBS would fear and tremble.

Highly doubtful. The opposition just likes to play the race card, diversity doesn't really mean anything to them. Conservative (upper and lower case 'C') and libertarian Blacks are dissed all the time as 'Uncle Toms' for having a different opinion. If you're a racial minority and have your own opinion, don't be under the illusion you're going to score any points and give anti-gunners some kind of epiphany. They aren't going to listen. "Race traitor!" :rolleyes:

keano44
September 12, 2003, 02:24 PM
The fact that few minorities join the NRA does not mean that the NRA dosen't welcome them.

NIGHTWATCH
September 12, 2003, 03:42 PM
True, but we are talking about a filthy game of politics. Why cant we use the race card? What do we have to lose? What do we have to gain? :rolleyes:

If the NRA was as diverse and fired up as say the "Promise Keepers" as an example. That image alone would draw people from all walks. Having a fired up (not quiet conservative) mouthpiece would go a long way for us. Im a minority, I know what Im talking about.

Who says that a conservative has to be soft spoken anyway? The RKBA movement needs someone with humor. Somebody with a quik wit who can point out the hypocrisy and abuse of every group that advocates more gun control.

Trust me, minorities seeking power on the left are using something that many minorities can relate to, disfunctional reasoning. Most hispanics in my area could care less about the 2A. But put a latino mouth and face on the NRA and they will listen. They will take notice. They will want to be associated with it.

I cannot disagree more with those who think otherwise. ;)

Andrew Rothman
September 12, 2003, 04:01 PM
Matt, how would you suggest the NRA boost diversity ? Shooting sports are definitely a cultural gap that we do not share with minorities. My love for shooting was cultivated at a very young age from a man who's love for shooting started in much the same way (from his father). I do not discriminate, I will invite ANYONE to the range with the intention of teaching safety and handling procedures. I just don't get many black participants.

We can't force people to join.

Sigh.

No, but there is a decided difference between allowing people to join and encouraging people to join. It is worth the time and trouble to reach out to minority communities for membership. There are innumerable ways to do this, and the rewards would be great.

Shooting sports are definitely a cultural gap that we do not share with minorities.

Gee, with an attitude like that, I am surprised that folks of all colors don't come racing to join you!

I am a white man, but I come from a strong "anti" family culture. No one in my family had a gun -- they're evil, after all! And yet here I am!

Why? Because a friend got me interested, and my examination of the world led me to believe that I would need to take some personal responsibility for my safety and that of my family.

The NRA needs to do more than recruit more white, rural, rifle-shootin' rednecks if it wants to succeed in changing the minds of the WHOLE country.

Things like this are a great start:

http://www.nrawinningteam.com/9911/malone.jpg

Matt

Andrew Rothman
September 12, 2003, 04:11 PM
whoops - duplicate

MyRoad
September 12, 2003, 04:25 PM
Personally, I think it's very important to see, whether you pay for it or not. I have more friends and relatives who have seen that movie and bought into it than I care to count. If I had not seen it, I might have known some of the lies he told from reading things like the hardylaw website, but I would have missed a lot, and personally, I want to know what my enemies and the ignorant (and often well-meaning) masses think of me. You would be amazed at how many people, even after being shown that he completely manipulated the truth and his audience, still enthusiastically tell their friends "you have to see this movie!". Strange how people find comfort in being scared.

ed dixon
September 13, 2003, 01:40 AM
Shooting sports are definitely a cultural gap that we do not share with minorities. My love for shooting was cultivated at a very young age from a man who's love for shooting started in much the same way (from his father).

Careful with the generalizations. Organized activities maybe, but many southern folk of color continue a hunting tradition which goes back several generations.

abaddon
September 13, 2003, 03:23 AM
Nightwatch, what makes you think we have to start de-emphasizing crime arguments and emphasizing check-on-government arguments?

Jeff

NIGHTWATCH
September 13, 2003, 06:29 AM
"Nightwatch, what makes you think we have to start de-emphasizing crime arguments and emphasizing check-on-government arguments?" - Jeff

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This morning the NYC council had a hearing on a number of gun control measures on the table. Measures that were DOA until the shooting death of councilman Davis.
Anytime a crime is committed in this country with a gun, the government will move to take our guns. That we know right? We can also bet everything we own on future tragedy. :(

Solong as we continue to engage the gungrabbers on issues of crimes committed with guns, and not a God given freedom that over 80 million live by, a freedom that we are willing to die for and not surrender, we will lose. The argument needs to turn towards the chaos that "We the people" have in store for government. We need to start talking about armed revolution.

I had a chance to speak to council members. The following was read:


My name is Ty Benabe. I was born in NYC. My parents first came here from the island of Puerto Rico sometime in the late forties.

I am the Webmaster for the NYC Alliance for the Second Amendment. A website that was born recently in response to the efforts by some members of this city council to legislate "insurance requirements" on gun owners, which has alarmed me. When I hear that this kind of reasoning is exists in my city council, I must wonder, when will this body of legislators succeed in turning me into a criminal?

Not only is gun control a failure, but by design it is meant to infringe, discriminate and disarm Americans, usually in the aftermath of a crime. Case in point: The shooting death of councilman Davis. A shooting that was initiated not for freedom. Not for the cause of liberty, but for reasons of selfish political ambition, by a politician. The shooter in this case was shot dead. He was the criminal. And I believe it is time for this city council to admit that gun control is not only limited in what it can do, but that it is the greatest untruth in the face of determination.

The argument of reducing the cost of crime by legislating" liability insurance" against the innocent is an unconstitutional logic that could be applied one day to the minority population, requiring "liability insurance" based on the color of our skin. Our prison system is overwhelmingly occupied by minorities. Are all people of color therefore suspect of criminal behavior? Or, are only those individuals guilty of committing crimes to be singled out? The answer I am sure is very clear to all. As well as the consequence.

The law of freedom. The law of this land is carved on my heart. I was created free. And no man, no court, no legislative body can tell me otherwise. It is my hope that this city council will set an example for all Americans, and halt any further persecutions against those who in faith, try to abide by law, but are faced with the prospect of resistance because of the abuse of law and disregard for Our sacred constitution.

In closing, I have yet to know the feeling of chains upon my wrists. And if given the choice between tyranny and slavery. I would gladly give my life to the cause of liberty. Give me liberty, or give me death. END.
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Will they listen? Our will they violate my life? The outcome is up to them. :rolleyes: The issue of gun control leads to only one road. Banning Guns. If we dont draw a line in the sand, that will be their goal. It is.

People want to be free, they just dont want to die to preserve it. :mad:

Skunkabilly
September 13, 2003, 11:56 AM
OK what the heck does the name 'Bowling for Columbine' mean? Do I have to see the movie to understand it; is it something incredibly clever that will give me some epiphany once I Get It? :confused:

MyRoad
September 13, 2003, 01:19 PM
OK what the heck does the name 'Bowling for Columbine' mean? Do I have to see the movie to understand it; is it something incredibly clever that will give me some epiphany once I Get It?
It's a reference to the fact that on the morning of the Columbine HS shooting, the shooters went bowling. It was their elective physical education class.

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