Why Marlin discontinue the 9mm and .45ACP camp carbine ?


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sandy4570
September 30, 2008, 06:09 PM
Why Marlin stop making this nifty little carbine ? . It is such great concept that one can arms with M1911A1 pistol and have long gun that use the same magazine for longer range. I have read that Marlin had problem with maintaining political correctness image of this camp carbine and avoid associated it with assault weapon etc. Is this one the reason that shooting public kind of boycott the camp carbine ? I want to get .45 ACP version but could not find one with reasonable price anymore. :(

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JImbothefiveth
September 30, 2008, 06:11 PM
I thought it looked interesting too, but think they should have built it to take at least 12 round magazines.

They probably discontinued it due to sales.

gvnwst
September 30, 2008, 07:00 PM
problem with maintaining political correctness.........avoid associated it with assault weapon etc........Is this one the reason that shooting public kind of boycott the camp carbine

they discontinued it due to poor sales, but not for above reasons. if the shooting public cared at all about "scary assault type weapons", the AR 15 wouldn't be so popular.:)

I agree with you though, it is a great little carbine

Rmart30
September 30, 2008, 08:57 PM
Yup, the prices on the used ones do get pricey. If Springfield came out with a XD carbine that took their same hicap pistol mags id buy 2 tomorrow ! :D

Speedo66
September 30, 2008, 09:00 PM
"Could not find one with reasonable price".

I just looked on Guns America for the 9mm version, someone has a new one and wants $800!! Give me a break, that gun's value does not equal $800 to me.

Does anyone know the years of production on them? Says it has a 13 round mag which would be illegal in my state (10 round limit) if it's too new.

SCPigpen
September 30, 2008, 11:33 PM
See this thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=394395&page=2

Mr_Rogers
October 1, 2008, 12:10 AM
I bought two in 9mm a while back. Since they take S&W magazines you can get up to 20 round mags.

Good fun and politically correct in Calif. with the right mag.

Since I bought a couple of Beretta Storms I have one Marlin on consignment for $450 with no takers. Scope mounts included. So it looks as though you are not looking closely enough or there is a big difference between 9mm and 45 prices.

jerkface11
October 1, 2008, 12:21 AM
How about an Olympic carbine? They don't have the Glock mag .45 out yet but I'm sure they're working on it. You can however get them in .40 and 9mm that take Glock mags.

t george
October 1, 2008, 12:34 AM
i too would like to have a springfield carbine that uses the xd mags... that might just be the last gun i would ever buy if they made it... but prolly not.. i think i got that illness...

MAKster
October 1, 2008, 12:53 PM
I'm sure Marlin discontinued them for the same reason Ruger stopped making their pistol caliber carbine - poor sales.

jjohnson
October 1, 2008, 02:22 PM
Yeah, it's all a matter of economics.

If Marlin had made big money on it, they'd have made more - and would have fixed the problems like the buffer that didn't last 500 rounds for me
and a few other annoying things. :barf:

I'd never carry either my 9mm or 45 carbine into combat... but they're fun enough.:D

Why would a guy in ********** want one, though? You're not supposed to enjoy your constitutional rights there, are you? :scrutiny:

JR47
October 1, 2008, 04:23 PM
Neither gun was reliable , or durable, enough for anything beyond plinking, and maybe a little hunting. They weren't cheap in the value of the time, and hadn't the cachet of other, more war-like weapons.

They don't quite fit into a niche. LEO goes to .223 rifles, and home defense tends towards .223, 12 ga., or dedicated pistols. Taking advantage of the longer barrel also required loads that wouldn't be efficient in 4-5" barrels, either.

If you want to plink, the .22 lr is the best value.:)

R.W.Dale
October 1, 2008, 04:27 PM
WHY? I've owned a couple I'll tell you why

because they weren't very good guns.

the plastic parts were of dubious quality

neither the 45 or 9mm had enough bolt mass to keep from breaking the stock as the bolt would slam against the reciever,and the bolt could slam the receiver because the tiny substandard buffer would disintegrate in a couple hundred rounds. All in all a throw together design with very little R&D or serious engineering put into it's development. Even a beat up hi-point carbine is on a whole nother level of reliability and durability from the most mint marlin camp carbine

Handyguy
October 1, 2008, 04:55 PM
Thank you Krochus! You probably saved me a bunch of $ and anger. You just convinced me NOT to buy one, that I did not need anyway. I'll just put those $ toward another Sig. They are addictive!

rondog
October 1, 2008, 05:33 PM
They sure look cool with a full suppressor though.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/campcarbinesuppressed.jpg

Wonder if I could get a can put on my Hi-Point .40 carbine?

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1765.jpg

It's ugly, but shoots great!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b150/rinselman/guns/DSCN1764.jpg

ShakyJake
October 1, 2008, 07:27 PM
I believe that Krochus is on the money. Back when thay first came out a number of PD's even looked at them, but felt there were issues of durability and reliability. The buffer was biggest culprit. There is a more durable one on the market that will even fit the .22wmr 922. That is a different cat but can also be pricey. Mine was very reliable and accurate.
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Speedo66
October 1, 2008, 08:55 PM
"You just convinced me NOT to buy one..."

+1, thanks for the heads up.

I've looked at a Hi-Point; I know it's a great gun, gets great reviews, and the owners love 'em, but there is just something about it that turns me off.

The search continues....

There's a smallbore 25 yard outdoor range 15 minutes from my house that lets LEOs shoot for free.

The range is limited to .22s, pistols, and rifles that use pistol cartridges, to include M-1 Carbine. I'd like to find an interesting, but reasonably priced, 9mm carbine that wouldn't choke on a diet of Wolf.

Domino
October 1, 2008, 09:45 PM
The range is limited to .22s, pistols, and rifles that use pistol cartridges, to include M-1 Carbine. I'd like to find an interesting, but reasonably priced, 9mm carbine that wouldn't choke on a diet of Wolf.


Not trying to hijack the Marlin thread but...

My Sub-2000 shoots Wolf just fine, that and WWB which are my primary plinking rounds. Don't forget you can get them to take Glock 9mm mags which are very available and very reliable. For ~$300 they are well worth the cash IMO.

sandy4570
October 2, 2008, 02:23 AM
Well, I guess I shouldn't miss it all that much then. I almost get one while stationed in Germany but I had other rifle on layaway and they won't let me cancel the layaway after the paper work . I thought I could get one when I rotated back to stateside but never got around to it .

janobles14
October 2, 2008, 03:02 AM
damn right on the high point carbines! when the .45 comes out i am the first one on the list!

the rugers were just too expensive. they didnt sell for that reason.

Chuck Jennings
October 2, 2008, 11:51 AM
[QUOTE]The range is limited to .22s, pistols, and rifles that use pistol cartridges, to include M-1 Carbine. I'd like to find an interesting, but reasonably priced, 9mm carbine that wouldn't choke on a diet of Wolf./QUOTE]

If you can find one of the Ruger carbines, they are built like a tank, and take just about anything you feed them in my experience.

JR47
October 2, 2008, 01:49 PM
The PC-9 and PC-40 were built to handle regular shooting/qualifying, and patrol car stowage. They are heck for strong. So are the magazines.

I still own a Marlin Camp 9, and it is pretty accurate with ammo that it likes, but isn't nearly as durable as the PC series carbines.

The .30 M1 carbine was purpose built to operate a 110 grain bullet at 1950 fps. This is more powerful than a .357 magnum, has a 15 round capacity, and is also tough, accurate, and durable. After all, it's been in use for upwards of 60 years. Recent ammunition developments, such as those of Cor-Bon, have made the .little carbine ever more useful.:)

rondog
October 2, 2008, 02:32 PM
I've looked at a Hi-Point; I know it's a great gun, gets great reviews, and the owners love 'em, but there is just something about it that turns me off.

I understand, they sho' be ugly, no doubt. But for a list price of $179.99 and a lifetime warranty, a HP carbine is a lotta fun to shoot! I'm going to buy a 995 9mm for my 11y.o. grandson, so he'll leave my .40 carbine alone. They're lots of fun, like riding a Moped....just don't let your friends see you with one.

Speedo66
October 2, 2008, 04:18 PM
The problem with .30 carbine ammo is the price. The cheap carbine ammo is generally about 50% more than cheap 9mm. Also, I'm not sure I want to pump Wolf, etc. down a nice M-1 carbine.

frankd4
October 2, 2008, 04:29 PM
Baretta Storme in 9, 40 and 45acp uses pistol mags decent gun.

Phil DeGraves
October 2, 2008, 04:32 PM
I thought it looked interesting too, but think they should have built it to take at least 12 round magazines.

You can get 30 round drum magazines for the 1911 which will fit in it.

seeker_two
October 2, 2008, 04:34 PM
I wish Ruger would re-release their 9mm/.40S&W carbine....maybe even a .45ACP version for P90/P97/P345 fans....

Like their 96 lever actions, I just don't think Ruger gave them enough of a chance (esp. with marketing)... :(

mgregg85
October 2, 2008, 07:47 PM
Kel-Tec SUB-2000 works great and is available in 9mm and .40 S&W.

Hi-cap mags are easily available as well.

mgregg85
October 2, 2008, 07:48 PM
You can get 30 round drum magazines for the 1911 which will fit in it.

If those are pro-mag drums the trouble would be getting them to work.

fredfellini
October 2, 2008, 10:33 PM
A couple of years back I too was looking for a camp carbine in 45 acp to mate up with my 1911's. However after researching the topic, I came to the same conclusion: aside from being discontinued, they're too expensive and too poorly built. But the concept is great.

I ended up with a Beretta Storm in 9mm, and bought a SA 1911 in 9mm to go along with it. Very happy with the Beretta - it's alot of fun, but not a serious blaster. Mags don't interchange, but I take them to the range together and just shoot 9mm - the ammo's cheaper too in 9mm!

sandy4570
October 3, 2008, 02:50 AM
[QUThe problem with .30 carbine ammo is the price. The cheap carbine ammo is generally about 50% more than cheap 9mm. Also, I'm not sure I want to pump Wolf, etc. down a nice M-1 carbine.

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OTE][/QUOTE]

Military grade M1 Carbine would be fine as long as it is not valuable collector (mine is $175 Pawnshop find ) but commercial made Carbine with tight chamber will break extractor beak pretty fast. I roll my own Carbine ammo so it cost about the same.

The PC-9 and PC-40 were built to handle regular shooting/qualifying, and patrol car stowage. They are heck for strong. So are the magazines.


I came across one right before they discontinue and really like it ,too bad they never made one in .45 ACP it would be nice match up with Ruger P90/97/345 pistol

JNewell
October 4, 2008, 07:52 PM
Agree on the Kel-Tec. Has all the advantages of this class, plus you can choose your magazine flavor and it folds.

cacop
October 5, 2008, 12:03 AM
My PD issued them before my time. They were such pieces of crap they pretty much fell apart within a couple of years. I heard the last year or so they were used people would check them out for the shift and pocket the mag since the PD mandated Smith autos at the time. They went back to shotguns before going to MP5s in 10mm. Eventually ARs replaced those.

The only story I heard of the Camp 9 being an effective tool for my PD was when an officer had to buttstroke someone with it and it dropped the dude instantly.

deesel
October 5, 2008, 03:20 PM
I have a 45 Camp carbine and it has been a great gun!! The buffer issue was taken care of by an old gun smith (passed) w/ his own invention. He also cleaned u the feed ramp and did some trigger work. I can't think of one malfunction since the work with good 10 rnd mags (Ed Brown)and w/ my old IPSC load 200g swc and 4.7g clays it shoots sub 1" groups at 100 yards.

They stopped building it because of lack of sales. The 9 was made one year after the 45 was is continued.

A while ago I took mine to a pin shoot and let a couple of guys shoot it, all of them liked and a couple had to go out and find one of there own

underwritingtech
October 5, 2008, 10:30 PM
The Beretta Storm is a neat little carbine and, depending on the model, will use all 92 (9mm), 96 (.40) and PX4 mags.

Harley Quinn
October 8, 2008, 01:51 PM
I think Marlin was cutting back and needed to stop making dust collectors. I personally think the 35 rem is one of the best out there, you can load it with 357 bullets (pistol or rifle) and it becomes a pretty handy dude.

:uhoh:

DonP
October 8, 2008, 02:07 PM
I'd be remiss if I didn't throw in the Mech Tech Carbine Conversion Unit I have for my 1911 in .45 ACP a few years back. I think it cost around $130 back when I bought it.

It takes about a minute to change the pistol over to the Carbine configuration and you can use any magazine that fits a 1911. I have a couple of 15+ rounders I picked up at a gun show that work fine and my regular Chip McCormick 10 round mags never give me a problem either.

I put a cheapie red dot sight on it and recently switched over to an equally inexpensive reflex sight.

It ain't real pretty, but I've never had problem with it as far as feeding or ejection goes and it's suprisingly accurate out to 100 yards for a pistol caliber.

ArmedBear
October 8, 2008, 02:10 PM
Uh, because these pistol cartridges don't perform well enough to justify buying a carbine for practical applications, and for plinking, a .22 works just as well for a lot less money?

phoglund
October 8, 2008, 02:17 PM
I think the Kel-Tec Sub2000 is a great option...if I could find one. :(

Speedo66
October 9, 2008, 12:24 AM
I called Kel-Tec today about the Sub2000. Sales dept says they make them in batchs, but not too many and not too often. Don't see any logic in that if the guns are wanted and you can't find/buy them.

They said they just shipped some to some distributors, and should be making more soon.

daorhgih
October 19, 2008, 10:45 PM
Are you saying that a Colt 9x19mm drum mag will install and fire in a KelTec P11 9x19mm??

vinnydq
March 9, 2010, 01:00 PM
Hey i love the gun almost as much as the high point but the reason why they stopped making/selling them is that buffer pad. You had to replace it every 35 years and like me i didn't know till it was too late tried to keep shooting and messed up the action. A little piece of space age plastic towards the back of the action. Which brings me to my question/ problem after putting the action back together trigger won't reset. I have to push the trigger foward after each shot. any one know the fix. still love the guhttp://www.thehighroad.org/images/smilies/banghead.gifn, wish it had

LouisCyphre
March 29, 2014, 04:45 AM
I can guess a reason Marlin discontinued the Camp 9. They discontinued it one year after the S&W 5906 was discontinued. I believe one of the marketing points of the Camp 9 was to have a rifle that used the a magazine that was compatible with a standard duty LEO sidearm. A LEO could take their spare S&W 59 or 69 series magazine and use it in a department issued 9mm rifle.

I am of the frame of mind that if you have a rifle chambered in a pistol caliber, it's a good idea to have it be able to utilize the magazines of a pistol you own.

M1GarandDeerHunter
March 29, 2014, 07:11 AM
Okay, ancient thread. Ill bite. Saw one at Cabelas in Green Bay 03/01/2014. Cost? Hold on to your saddle..... $700 plus:eek: .45 auto. You can buy an AR for that. :scrutiny:

horsemen61
July 20, 2014, 02:24 AM
I just put a 9mm version on layaway for 400 good deal IMHO yes

jmorris
July 20, 2014, 02:40 AM
Yep, an old thread for sure.

I have an early camp 9 IIRC around #365, accurate always has run well with the mags that came with it.

Don't use aluminum case ammo with them as they don't have enough neck tension and the bullet will set back and blow the E clips off the trigger group and split the stock.

It cost less than $400 new. I would sell it for $700 with two stocks (one has been repaired) and two trigger groups (one is just for parts).

Like anything, quit making them when you don't make any money doing so.

M1GarandDeerHunter
July 20, 2014, 02:16 PM
If you can find one for 400 bucks, you MADE money $$ :neener: LOL!

Furncliff
July 20, 2014, 02:43 PM
horseman 61. Change the buffer and recoil springs before you shoot it.

You can find both here.....

http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=1&keyword=camp+9

I use a 4x scope on mine but Skinner has a nice peep sight that will fit the Camp 9. Mine will not feed anything but brass cased ammo. Resist the temptation to have anyone do a trigger job on your rifle. The trigger group is all plastic and fiddling here can lead to slam fires. Don't ask me how I know.

stiab
July 21, 2014, 12:45 AM
I have found two in .45acp at local gunshops, bought both, and sold both. They almost always have buffer issues, and a little wood actually need to be removed behind the receiver to keep it from eventually splitting. Also, reassembly often results in a non-functioning gun, that's why I let my gunsmith do it all.

On a brighter note, usually these threads have a person or two telling us that the .45acp performance does not improve significantly with a carbine barrel, but I disproved that in actual chrono tests in comparison with a 4" revolver. The carbine results are actually quite impressive for the .45.

M1GarandDeerHunter
July 23, 2014, 12:14 AM
Stiab, Just curious, is the velocity increase with 230 fmj or with lighter bullets or both? I have read the same information, that .45 acp doesnt deliver higher velocities in carbine length firearms. Ive never had a carbine and was wondering that fact as well. I had a .357 carbine that really impressed me with the velocity gains. It was a pretty serious power upgrade.

Learned alot from you guys with regards to stock splitting and brass cased ammo, trigger mods. Thanks.

splithoof
July 23, 2014, 03:34 AM
^^^^My chrono tests of .45ACP, from a 16" UZI barrel taken in March of 1989 show that most 230 grain ball loads are very close to, or a bit over 1,000 FPS. The measurements taken with an old Pro Tach chronograph ten feet from the muzzle. For comparison, a slew of 1911 pattern pistols (5" barrels) from various makers clocked around 795-872 FPS. That difference is also representative of a number of lighter loads, both jacketed and hard lead.

As for the carbines, I wish the Beretta used Glock magazines; the Cougar magazines I believe only hold eight rounds. Sure would be nice if Glock had a carbine!

sandy4570
December 25, 2014, 10:13 PM
Okay, ancient thread. Ill bite. Saw one at Cabelas in Green Bay 03/01/2014. Cost? Hold on to your saddle..... $700 plus .45 auto. You can buy an AR for that.
I finally found one at local gun shop ,bought it with cash, replace the buffer with after market one (the original disintegrate the first time I took it apart ). Take her to indoor range and cut a ragged hole at 25 yards using Trail boss load (the powder shortage in my area still pretty bad ) . Now have to work hard to pay for this gun. It took me 24 years from the first time I laid my eyes on this gun at Rod and Gun club in Kitzingen, Germany until I finally get my hand on one .Now I am going to try to find that Timber wolf Carbine in .357 Magnum

rhinoh
December 25, 2014, 10:25 PM
Here is some real world testing on the .45 in longer barrels-

http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/45auto.html

alientrainwreck
December 26, 2014, 12:18 AM
I've had my Marlin camp carbine in 9mm for years If I remember corectly I traded a sks strait across for it that's been 16 years ago, I shoot it a lot and havent had any problems so far..I also like my keltec sub2000 in 40cal. The little thing folds in half and excepts glock magazine also I have had it 6 or 7 years and I got it for a steal, it rides folded up in my center console in my truck and has killed several hogs at short range, its a very handy rifle to have. But back to Marlin I wish they would make them again But im not waiting the first one I find in 45acp is gonna get bought if its not trashed.

stiab
December 26, 2014, 12:43 AM
Stiab, Just curious, is the velocity increase with 230 fmj or with lighter bullets or both? I have read the same information, that .45 acp doesnt deliver higher velocities in carbine length firearms.
Wow, I'm several months late responding to a follow up question, sorry about that, must of missed that post.

In comparison to the same rounds fired from a 4" S&W M625 and the .45 Camp Carbine, here the loads followed by the average increase in the Marlin...

Rem 230 HP +80, Rem 230 FMJ + 60, Pmc 230 FMJ +80, Mag Tech 230 FJM + 166, Win Silver Tip 185 + 222, Rem 200 +194, Win WB 230 +139, Reload 6.8 Unique 225 Gr lead +251, Win 230 "Clean" +191.

Phaedrus/69
December 26, 2014, 04:24 AM
Wow, six years and still going strong! I'd opine that there are maybe three reasons a gun ever gets discontinued: It's banned/forced out of production or importation through legislation (eg MP5, MAC10), is dropped due to poor sales or ditched when it becomes too expensive to profitably sell (eg HK P7). Okay, I guess lawsuits due to design defects can also do it.

Speedo66
December 26, 2014, 02:31 PM
Wow, this is an oldie. :D

I posted in this over 6 years ago. Based on what I learned here, I eschewed the Marlin, continued my search for a Kel-Tec Sub2K, and found a new one.

Love it, has been reliable and lots of fun, same mags as my Glock, and it folds! :rolleyes:

Janos Dracwlya
December 26, 2014, 10:40 PM
I bought a 9mm carbine in 2005 from a friend. I think he made a replacement buffer which, after his use and several hundred rounds of my use shows no signs of ever wearing out. With an Ultradot red dot scope on it, I can shoot the eye out of a Zombie Target with no real effort; even my wife, whose shooting is hurt by her weird vision problems, can do the same.

Malfunctions? None that I can remember.

For us, it's a good gun and a keeper.

Sheepdog1968
December 27, 2014, 03:05 PM
My guess is that they will be introduced at some point down the road again.

Normandy
December 27, 2014, 08:37 PM
If I run across another one, I'll insist on a trip to the range with it before committing to the purchase. My first experience was with the .45ACP, and it never functioned well. I was lucky to have bought it from a friend, and got a full refund.

dprice3844444
December 27, 2014, 09:42 PM
check out glockstore for ar-15 9mm,40,45 using glock mags,mech-tech systems using glock pistol lowers attached to pistol/rifle uppers and bazooka brothers,who makes an ar-15 lower that accepts mac modified grease gun 30 round mags

fyi if you want pistol caliber semi carbines

bds
December 27, 2014, 09:52 PM
I got a Just Right carbine in 45ACP. It takes Glock mags but will also take 1911 mags with a mag well swap.

Toss in a conversion kit and you can shoot 9mm/40S&W using either Glock or M&P magazines.

tiamat
December 27, 2014, 09:56 PM
and how do those last two things have anything to do with why marlin discontinued two PCC's exactly?

bds
December 27, 2014, 10:31 PM
As for the carbines, I wish the Beretta used Glock magazines; the Cougar magazines I believe only hold eight rounds. Sure would be nice if Glock had a carbine!
tiamat, I think dprice3844444 and I were replying to splithoof's post.

OK, back to OP.

CornCod
December 27, 2014, 10:32 PM
Pistol caliber carbines are a lot more popular now than they were many years ago. Remlin ought to consider a new, updated Camp Carbine with the old bugs worked out.

joneb
December 27, 2014, 11:28 PM
I have the camp 45 I bought new in the 90's for $300 it is very accurate and reliable, that is until the factory recoil buffer disintegrated and the hammer strut bridge trunnion post broke :cuss:
Well I got a blackjack buffer for it and a 16.5 lbs recoil spring and made my own hammer strut as the factory one is a stamped POS.
This thing is a real mouse trap to put back together:scrutiny:
With the upgrades this camp 45 has been running great for the last 10 years and is a real treat to shoot:D

CapnMac
December 28, 2014, 02:05 AM
When Marlin designed the Camp 9, they had a problem--there was no one "generic" 9mm pistol magazine out there. What they probably should have done--in those pre-Glock days--was chose the Hi-Power's mag. Instead, they chose a mag in LE use. Their timing just wound up horrible for that choice.

S&W did not make things easy either, what with all the different mags they had out at the time.

So, Joe Shooter had to choose to use the one mag that came with, or go buy aftermarket mags (unless they were part of the small market segment that already used the M-35 mags). So, the Camp 9 did not sell well.

The Camp 45 was nicely proportioned, had zero EBR appearance, and used the magazine for .45acp, the 1911. Problem was that it was the era of the "wondernine." But, it was a niche that was not really there.

Couple that with "insides" that had clearly been designed after the "outsides" had been decided upon. So, it did not have a glowing rep even at a very good price point. All the glossy gun pubs were all about locking breeches, and here was a blowback .45 that relied upon a block of delrin to not batter the receiver end. Oh, ad when you cleaned the thing, the magazine hold-open fell out, and lots its spring for near ever. You then needed a third hand to trap the hold-open in place while pushing the locking pin in.

All in a market where a Universal carbine )or the like) was maybe $100-150; a GI Carbine was $150-200; a collectible M-1 maybe $50 more.

I still have my first-generation Camp 45, though.

Elkins45
December 28, 2014, 09:28 AM
I seem to recall something in the gun press about Marlin not wanting to be in the "assault rifle" business after Columbine.

I have a Camp 9 that I traded a Hi-point carbine for. I still consider it a good trade.

saltydog
December 28, 2014, 05:06 PM
Yes, a wolf heavy recoil spring and blackjack buffer in my Camp 45 fixed it up for good. No issues :D

CapnMac
December 28, 2014, 06:05 PM
Marlin may have wanted to distance itself from "black" guns--however columbine was 11 years ('99) are I bought my Camp 45 (Aug '88). Even the dread (and useless) AWB was four years' in the future.

LT.Diver
December 28, 2014, 07:05 PM
I've got two 9ís and a .45 and I love them. Put in some new springs and buffers a while back, and I've been shooting the hell out of them since. Love 'em!

Gaucho Gringo
December 28, 2014, 08:06 PM
Yet High Point sells them as fast as they can make them and they are IMHO the ugliest carbine in the world. Which proves there is a market for pistol caliber carbines.

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