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TimH
September 11, 2003, 12:10 PM
Yesterday I came across a fawn that had been hit by a car. 2 broken broken legs and such. Called the police they came and killed it. If you had to killed this deer humanely and quick without a gun how would you do it? All you would have is a 3" folding buck knife. Tim

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Kharn
September 11, 2003, 12:16 PM
I'm no expert, but I'd either cut the spinal cord (at the medulla oblongata or however its spelled, but I'd be a little cautious trying to use a pocket knife to do that due to the force required), or push its head down towards its neck and slice the throat. You dont want to pull the head back as (at least in humans, according to a show on TLC I saw about someone that survived getting their throat sliced) that retracts the veins and arteries further into the neck. Pushing the head down brings them closer to the front and thus makes the cut more likely to do the job correctly.

I'd avoid trying this on anything bigger than a fawn, as a full grown deer could probably put up a damn good fight, especially an antlered buck.

Kharn

pale horse
September 11, 2003, 12:46 PM
Two things.

First the animal is wounded and it can hurt you.

Second the knife gets bloody and if you cut yourself with it you could have some problems.

My dad always had a hammer for just such and occasion. Even a rock will do the trick in a pinch.

But if you must cut the throat go in behind the ear and in a downward motion push toward the larinx sp?? Its just like silent sentry removal, but with an animal.

Chipperman
September 11, 2003, 12:51 PM
There would be several ways to do it with a Buck knife in those circumstances. The least bloody, and ultimately easiest and humane, would be to pith her as Kharn suggests.

At the back of the skull is a boney protrusion called the occipital crest. Feel the crest with your hand and move your hand caudally (toward the tail) until you feel the skull drop off. There will be a divot of soft tissue there. Plunge the blade into that divot. If you aim it correctly, the blade will pass between the skull and cervial vertebrae, and into the brainstem. Death will be virtually instantaneous. Certainly faster than exsanguination.

TimH
September 11, 2003, 07:32 PM
Thanks everyone. Not that I have any desire to do this for fear getting hurt as Kharn said. But I felt so bad for the little guy. It only took the police 'bout 20 mins to get there. They don't like common folk to do the shooting....Tim

Kharn
September 11, 2003, 09:12 PM
TimH:
A few years ago, the youth group at my church were going on a trip when their bus nailed a deer. They called the state police to come take care of it rather than do it themselves (as they were all unarmed, and I guess no one ever thought of using the jack handle or other tools stored in the bus). ~30 minutes later the cops showed up, who were not very happy to hear that the deer had escaped into the nearby woods by that time, but was definitely seriously injured. Having no other choice, the cops plodded off into the woods to find Bambi.

About 10 minutes later, there was a single shot, about 20 seconds of silence, followed by a barrage of gunfire, probably 10+ shots total. :what:

I'd much prefer to end the poor animal's suffering with whatever was at hand than wait for the boys in blue to come along in half an hour and muck it up by having to shoot a seriously-injured deer 10 times with a Beretta, regardless of their attitude.

Kharn

Bigjake
September 11, 2003, 09:55 PM
DO NOT MESS WITH IT!!

My uncle got cited and had to go to court for dispatching a wounded deer with his truck gun last year. i'd say it really depends on your location, but in comunist ohio with ********* LEOS around, you don't even want that legal hassel. he eventualy got it thrown out but it would've been just as easy to let the thing be.

Redlg155
September 11, 2003, 10:10 PM
Leaving it alone until either Fish and Game or other LEOs show up is sound advice. In some places, such as Oklahoma, you will be allowed to keep the deer. Fish and Game will issue you a special tag so you can legally have it processed should you choose to keep it.

But if you absolutely had to kill the deer, slicing the juglar vein on either side of the windpipe while pressing down on the head it the surest way. Just make sure you approach it away from the legs so you don't get kicked. It takes a bit to bleed out but a sharp knife will minimize trauma to the deer. It will bleed out and lose consciousness rather quickly. This method is used often on hogs.

Good Shooting
Red

notbubba
September 11, 2003, 11:11 PM
Well, you could do what an idiot hunter did here in MI.
He shot a deer (during the season), when he walked up to it, it was still alive.
So this great thinkerput his foot on the deers head and went to shoot it in the neck.
Anybody quess what happened next???


Yes, that's right.
The deer jerked it's head up and the guy shot himself in the foot.:what:

Abenaki
September 11, 2003, 11:31 PM
Years ago my Wife and I came across a guy who had hit a fawn.
We told him not to mess with it , and we left to make a call to the
local LEO. Came back this guy was coverd in blood and his clothing was
in shreds. Seems he tried to pick up the poor little deer!

I hate to say this, but most of the time it is best to let the law handle this.
I do not feel it is morally right to let animals suffer....But I don't need any
trouble with the law.

If I was gonna kill it. I would use a tire iron.

Abenaki

TimH
September 12, 2003, 10:08 AM
Well I'm not a hunter. Used to hunt when I was a kid. Nothing wrong with hunting its just not for me anymore. So killing the animal would be tough for me no matter how I did it. I was suprised how many people stop to say they saw the poor thing earlier but didn't do anything. Not even call the cops. So asked the policeman if I could have shot it he said they prefer people not to. Broke my heart to see the fawn struggling to get to his feet to get away. So are the hooves on a deer sharp or did the deer cause blunt trama to the guy Abenaki refered to? Tim

keyhole
September 12, 2003, 11:24 AM
TimH


Both. Hoofs can do a lot of damage, especially when the critter gets to thrashing around. I have no problem with civi's dispatching a critter when injured, especially in an auto accident, when it's evident what happened. Some other LEO's might feel different, but I hate to see them suffer. I have had to put a few down, and sure that it will continue, more every year.

Carlos Cabeza
September 12, 2003, 11:38 AM
This thread is a good argument for preserving our hunting rights. There are many auto/deer accidents every year just as keyhole indicated. I have seen pictures of deer that went through the windshield of an automobile severely injuring the occupants. I wouldn't get too close to the animal if it were injured, it can really hurt you if it should kick you. I would probably wack it in the neck near the base of the skull with a tiretool or a large stick. Not something I like to do, just very disheartening to see an animal suffer uneccessarily.

Oakleaf
September 12, 2003, 04:49 PM
Thought the UK perspective ( oh no not again I hear you cry ) may be of interest.

Item one - our police are not routinely armed, so very unlikely any RTA etc would be attended by an armed officer.

Most of our armed response units went through a phase of trying to deal with injured animals, runaway bulls etc - soon to realise they were simply not trained nor equipped to do it safely.

It has been long extablished practise for police forces in areas prone to deer collisions etc to have a rota of persons prepared to voluntarily attend road scenes and despatch injured deer. These tend to be Gamekeepers, estate staff, zoo staff or keen amateur stalkers etc - plus occassionally Vets.

Much less ' sue 'em all' over here - so this has gone on in a largely informal manner for years. Only recently have liability and insurance issues started in.

All persons holding a FAC have been police vetted and are bound to be of a reasonably responsible nature. In addition, many of the stalkers voluntarily take a two part examination - so are effectively qualified.

All this presumes the use of a firearm. Many times it is not safe to use full -bore rifle. Decscending choice is then a .22 rf ( not legal in all parts ) or a shotgun - both at close range. Thereafter either a knife applied to sever the cervical column or thrust into side of neck and driven forwards to cut arteries. Less common, but effective is a 2 lb- 4lb lump hammer applied resolutely to the base of the ear from behind.

The closer you get, the more risk of injury you run. What many antis or none hunters can never understand is that most stalkers/ responders over here will run the risk of injury to put an animal out of its suffering - we do actually care for these creatures.

pdt203
September 12, 2003, 09:17 PM
Back up and run over it again. :what:

CWL
September 12, 2003, 09:24 PM
Tire iron to skull. Not as messy as cutting the throat, but not entirely clean either. Saw it as a kid, not the best way to go, but better than letting it suffer for another 20-30 minutes in agony.

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