Robinson Xcr Rifles?


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Rifleman 173
October 2, 2008, 02:30 AM
I am looking at possibly getting a Robinson XCR rifle in 7.62 X 39 caliber. I keep hearing really good things about them. Anybody in this forum have one? What do you think of your rifle? Are magazines reliable in the 7.62 X 39 caliber? Any pictures of your set-up available? I'm looking at mounting a Millett DMS-1 scope on top of it when or if I get one. It may not be until the beginning of November or the end of this month...

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tacweapon
October 2, 2008, 03:36 AM
I have one in 5.56 and I love it.

The left side charging handle is so much better then the standard AR charging handle.The bolt release is much more ergonomic since it is at the Mag Well instead of on the left side of the reciever. The safety is easier use also since it rotates 60 degrees instead of 90 degrees. The XCR is much easier to clean since it has a AK style operating system.

I do not have a 7.62 x 39 but from what I have read the magazines by C-Products are relieble now but in the beginning they were not.

I have the Millet DMS-1 on mine and it works great.

My XCR
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/tacweapon/XCR/100_1084.jpg


AR and XCR Op System
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/tacweapon/Random/XCRvsAR2.jpg

AR and XCR Bolt
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/tacweapon/Random/XCRvsAR4.jpg

anymanusa
October 2, 2008, 07:36 AM
Other than costing too much, there's a lot to like about the xcr. Currently, I rather have the 3 AK's that you could buy with the same money, but someday I'll have and xcr, when the stars all line up perfectly, or something like that...

ny32182
October 2, 2008, 10:16 AM
The XCR is actually, I suspect, going to be priced very competetively when compared against the competition. Right now that competition consists of the first few LMT Piston MRP's trickling out the door. The MSRP's I've seen for that unit are 1995 for the whole rifle (that *might* include iron sights; I'm not sure); and 1450 for just the upper. My XCR with ambi selector was 1475 out the door for the basic rifle/no sights. And I would give the edge in capability (on paper at least) to the XCR as well due to the stock and the more robust looking bolt (though I would really like a piston MRP for some direct comparisons. :))

The 7.62x39 XCR rifles have gotten pretty good reviews so far. Only real complaint I've seen is that the standard hammer springs are not strong enough to pop the primer with tremendous consistency on some of the harder Russian brands of ammo. RA is now shipping a stronger hammer spring with all 7.62x39 kits and factory rifles that seems to have taken care of that.

The new C Products 7.62x39 AR15 30rd mag is shipped with the rifle. As mentioned, some of these magazines have been discovered to have the feed lips out of spec, and C Prod has been doing free replacements on these. Reports from people shooting with in-spec mags have been very positive. Hopefully its just a matter of C Prod getting their production process refined and ramped up properly.

Overall, if this rifle appeals to you, I think now would be a fine time to buy one. The initial kinks are known and being/been addressed.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 2, 2008, 10:45 AM
tacweapon, holy cow - nice rifle! I'm not worthyyyyyyy!

tacweapon
October 2, 2008, 04:27 PM
tacweapon, holy cow - nice rifle! I'm not worthyyyyyyy!


Thanks, I realy like it. I plan on putting it through its paces this weekend I am going to Pat Goodales Tactical Patrol Rifle course. I will try to post a review when I get back on Sunday.

Marcus L.
October 2, 2008, 06:58 PM
I bought my XCR back when they were first hitting the market in early 2006. It's number is under 700 and at first, RA had a few refining issues which they addressed on my XCR free of charge. They had a firing pin recall to address inertia issues(FN had the same recall with their FS2000), then they improved the gas system. I was working out in the Arizona desert at the time and my XCR was not cycling Winchester Ranger 55gr SP at all. This ammunition was also causing cycling problems for our duty M4s due to the environment. I called up Alex at RA and told him about my problem, he shipped me a new gas assembly free of charge and my rifle has been 100% ever since. Since then RA has been using the new gas system on all their rifles. RA just didn't anticipate the use of such weak gas bleeding in the environment that I was in. I haven't done a whole lot to the rifle otherwise.....added a Vortex flashhider(improved accuracy), attached a tac-sling with mount, added fixed tritium sights, and a better pistol grip. The rifle has served me well and I enjoy using it much more than any other rifle I've used before. I hope to convert it to shoot 6.8 SPC in the future once my finances recover from buying a new car for my wife.

Coronach
October 2, 2008, 07:14 PM
Other than costing too much, there's a lot to like about the xcr.The XCR is admittedly expensive, but take a top end AR (or AK) and trick it out as close as you can to XCR as-issued trim. Add up the cost of everything and see where you are. Then consider that the XCR can do things that neither the AR or AK can.

ASSUMING you want or need (lets face it, for 99% of us, it's not 'need') the unique features of the XCR, it's not a bad deal. Plus, unlike the Masada/ACR, you can actually own one.

Mike :)

Rifleman 173
October 2, 2008, 11:05 PM
Tacweapon, tell me about the Millett scope on your XCR. I have a DMS-1 and I love it but how does it work with the XCR? Do you have decent accuracy or really great accuracy? Are you using the rifle/scope as your go to rifle for everything or using it for specific purposes like competition shooting? Is that a 3 point sling I saw on your rifle and how do you like that as compared to a 1 point sling? Got some more pictures of the rifle being used at the range? What distance has been your farthest shot or groups of shots?

What kind of rings are you using to mount your scope to the rifle. Those are obviously not a LaRue SPR-E mount system that so many seem to like. By chance are those high, medium or low height rings and are they quick detach or not?

Thanks much for any information you can provide...

gvnwst
October 2, 2008, 11:24 PM
Right now that competition consists of the first few LMT Piston MRP's trickling out the door

Don't forget the POF-USA GP AR. it is very close to what the XCR is(better in some ways), but costs a little more, and is a little more accurate, IMO. All have match barrels factory.


just curious, what kind of barrel does the XCR come with? Crome lined, SS, cromoly?
:)

Deer Hunter
October 2, 2008, 11:28 PM
POF makes AR-15s into piston operated rifles. The XCR and the POF design are quite different.

gvnwst
October 2, 2008, 11:30 PM
i know, the poster i quoted was talking about the LMT piston ar, and i just decided to add in POF.

tacweapon
October 2, 2008, 11:37 PM
The Millet works great on the XCR but I do not shoot for bulls eye as much as I shoot for practical accuracy. I zeroed the scope at 100 yards and was easily able to group on the target the furthest I have been able to shoot is about 260 yards and I was still able to group on the target. The XCR is my go to rifle and I normally have the Millet on it but for hunting season I am going to put a 3x12 on it. It is a 3 point sling I like it better then a 1 point because it is more secure, but it is just personal preference. I do have some pics and videos from the range but I will not be able to post them until Monday, but if you want to see them beforehand go to photobucket and search users for tacweapon and they are there I also have Youtube videos under pah269. I am using just normal 30mm scope rings for now but I plan switch to the Larue sometime, I think the rings are medium or high not sure though. Let me know if you have any more questions,

tacweapon
October 2, 2008, 11:39 PM
I wll not be able to get on until Monday since I am taking a Tactical Patrol Rifle class tomorrow through Sunday. If you more info check xcrforum.com

ny32182
October 3, 2008, 09:52 AM
i know, the poster i quoted was talking about the LMT piston ar, and i just decided to add in POF.

I will admit that I am not real familiar with the POF design, but as I understand it, it uses a standard upper/standard AR15 barrel/standard receiver-to-barrel interface, is that correct? If so, that makes it basically 90% AR15; just with a piston instead of a DI gas tube (and maybe a different carrier?).

The XCR, and now the piston MRP go beyond that. They are in the SCARspec realm capability: Monolithic fully railed uppers, free floated quick change barrels in multiple calibers. Piston operation. *Fully* adjustable stocks. (the piston MRP falls a little short here because its stock will never fold, but thats the only knock against it from what I can see so far.) I don't really think of the piston MRP as an AR15 anymore. The only major part on the upper that is AR15 compatible is the bolt sans gas rings, it looks like. (and the carrier's small parts). I think of it as a new rifle that just happens to use an AR15 lower.

There are currently no other rifles on the market that can match that feature set. The ACR and the FN SCAR will play in the same space if/when they are released.

just curious, what kind of barrel does the XCR come with? Crome lined, SS, cromoly?

All the XCR barrels are chrome lined except for a very small run of 1:8 SS 5.56 barrels that were produced a while back. I think it is virtually impossible to get your hands on one of those now. Since they went out of production I haven't seen any of the owners willing to part with them.

The 5.56 barrels, as mentioned are chrome lined bore and chamber, 1:9 twist, and available in two profiles; heavy and light. Most are 16", but you can order one that is factory shortened as well if you have an SBR. Alternately you can have a gunsmith shorten a 16" as well.

I do not know the twist rate of the 6.8 and 7.62x39 barrels right off hand. They are, as far as I know, only available in one profile, but can also be ordered in shortened lengths from the factory.

With RA producing their own barrels now rather than outsourcing it, I am hoping the barrel selection will gradually improve. It would be nice if they would permanently add a match grade barrel, for instance. Right now their primary projects are release of the SCARspec fully adjustable factory stock, and factory improved/match trigger. Both will be good things to have available.

LoadedDrum
October 3, 2008, 10:05 AM
My XCRs have pushed my AR15s to the back of the safe.

gvnwst
October 3, 2008, 12:46 PM
I will admit that I am not real familiar with the POF design, but as I understand it, it uses a standard upper/standard AR15 barrel/standard receiver-to-barrel interface, is that correct? If so, that makes it basically 90% AR15; just with a piston instead of a DI gas tube (and maybe a different carrier?).


the only thing the same on my POF is the stripped upper reciever (and even that may be different) well, the bolt. everything else is different. kinda like the MRP. the carrier is a solid piece of metal, the key (or post in this case) is not staked on, it is part of the whole thing.
:)


I think of it as a new rifle that just happens to use an AR15 lower.


The POF is the same way. The only thing the MRP has on my POF 18" SPR is a QCB system. Mine has a fully adjustable stock too....:D

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 3, 2008, 01:32 PM
The XCR, and now the piston MRP go beyond that. They are in the SCARspec realm capability: Monolithic fully railed uppers, free floated quick change barrels in multiple calibers. Piston operation. *Fully* adjustable stocks.

And - it's not just "piston operation", of which there are several different types, with the most reliable type being the kalashnikov type, where the piston, piston rod and bolt carrier are all one monolithic piece, unlike a "stroke" gas piston system (such as a gas piston "AR"), where inertia is relied upon after the op-rod ceases contact with the bolt carrier, which is all well and good until the force acting against the inertia changes due to being dirty or whatever. The XCR, like the AK47, does not rely on inertia at all. The bolt carrier moves directly and completely, all the way through its movement, through the rod which is being moved as directly attached and acting on direct gas force against the piston. Sorry, I'm not very good at describing this. So, the XCR has the operating system of the AK, which is unequaled in its (deserved) reputation for reliability.

With the XCR, you have the perfect marriage of AR and AK, plus some bonus features and modularity, and it actually exists.

Can anything top the XCR or equal it as the pinnacle of military-style rifle design? Emphatically, no. Not at present. In my opinion. Oh, and it's made in the U.S. of A., as another added bonus. To me, it's worth every penny.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robinson+xcr&search_type=

ny32182
October 3, 2008, 02:14 PM
The POF is the same way. The only thing the MRP has on my POF 18" SPR is a QCB system. Mine has a fully adjustable stock too....

...The Monolithic Rail Platform is also.. well... monolithic. :) I've not nothing against the POF; I'm sure it is a fine rifle, but it is not a SCAR type rifle. It is an AR15+piston. The charging handle will also keep the cheek piece from being fully adjustable... though that will be a limitation on the MRP also.

As far as the XCR, it has some AR15 ergonomics and magwell inspiration (though I believe the XCR magwell is superior to that of an AR15); obviously a lot of AK inspiration in the long stroke piston/carrier/bolt design, and I think there is a lot of FAL mixed in there too (bolt catch, charging handle, gas system functionality are all very FAL like). Personally I think the combination gas plug/regulator on the XCR is a better design than the plug and separate regulator sleeve on the FAL.

And - it's not just "piston operation", of which there are several different types, with the most reliable type being the kalashnikov type, where the piston, piston rod and bolt carrier are all one monolithic piece, unlike a "stroke" gas piston system (such as a gas piston "AR"), where inertia is relied upon after the op-rod ceases contact with the bolt carrier, which is all well and good until the force acting against the inertia changes due to being dirty or whatever. The XCR, like the AK47, does not rely on inertia at all. The bolt carrier moves directly and completely, all the way through its movement, through the rod which is being moved as directly attached and acting on direct gas force against the piston. Sorry, I'm not very good at describing this. So, the XCR has the operating system of the AK, which is unequaled in its (deserved) reputation for reliability.

You are speaking of the difference between a long stroke piston like the AK (where the piston and the carrier are attached) and a short stroke piston like the FAL (where the carrier continues rearward after the piston stops). Both systems have proven themselves in concept, beyond question, on their respective platforms of course.

gvnwst
October 3, 2008, 02:54 PM
...The Monolithic Rail Platform is also.. well... monolithic.

the POF preditor rail system is just about as good as LMT's IMO....
:)

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 3, 2008, 02:56 PM
Both systems have proven themselves in concept, beyond question, on their respective platforms of course.

Yes, true. But, which one is deemed the end-all, be-all of to-hell-and-back reliability when the gun is full of dirt, sand, mud, etc.? :p

everallm
October 3, 2008, 03:41 PM
Now all we need is Alex at RA to give birth to the XCR-M in 7.62x51 and I will be a very very happy camper.

Although I will admit to a hankering after the Kel-Tec RFB.....hey I'm ex British Army I likes me a bullpup.

Damn, now must hide 2 x the pennies from "She who must be obeyed"......

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 3, 2008, 04:35 PM
That *IS* a conundrum, isn't it? RFB, no XCR-M, no RFB, no......

chieftain
October 3, 2008, 05:40 PM
it is very close to what the XCR is(better in some ways), but costs a little more, and is a little more accurate, IMO

Just how is it "better"? Higher price? How much more accurate is it? (Accuracy shouldn't be an opinion)

And the next question. Is it better in 6.8 SPC? oh it ain't available in 6.8. How about 7.62X39? Oh, it ain't available in 7.62x39 either! Then I am sure you can shoot 6.5 Grendel in your rifle? NO? I can shoot all three in addition to 5.56 NATO in my one rifle top and bottom. Just need a caliber kit. Go to Robarm.com. I am planning to the the 7.62x39 by the end of the year for mine. I am thinking of getting it in the SBR variant.

I can shoot everyone of the calibers above with a conversion kit in the same rifle that I shoot my 5.56 NATO in. Just caliber kits. They go for $549 right now. Much cheaper than buying another rifle. Short barrels are available too. That quick change barrel capability allows very good barrel and breech cleaning much easier than most weapons. And the action usually only needs light to moderate cleaning anyway. One of the nice secondary advantages of almost all piston systems.

The XCR shoots Wolf ammo without incident (remember that adjustable gas system) with the chromed chamber/barrel. You can see those robust locking lugs. They ain't going to break like the "girly man" lugs on an AR system bolt. And I like that big robust extractor on the XCR bolt.

Is it perfect? Of course not. Just very good and right now I believe better than anything else I can get in any practical manner. Minimal mechanical problems. Biggest problem was folks whining about not being able to get various NEW kits or different type parts when they said they would be making them. Of course I don't know one weapons manufacturer without that problem. NONE! Maybe you know the one that can prove the rule.

I think it is great that we are finally getting alternatives to the poorly conceived gas impingement system. Not just the XCR. I am hoping that within 10 years we can get the widowmaker out of our troops hands. I frankly don't care who designs or makes it at this point. I have been waiting for 40 years.

By the way, as to price. Most of the high level, operators, instructors and such recommend the COLT 6920 model. I haven't been able to find it for less than 1350 +/-. I haven't looked recently though. They ain't got cheaper though. Then many folks need to get a rail system and change stocks too. Now where is your base price now besides way up.

I mount an Aimpoint and Larue FUG grip on my carbine. I have quick disconnect Larue mounts on my white light, Aimpoint 3x magnifier in a quick detach pivoting Larue mount. I only carry the accessories needed for the mission at the moment. At home the white light is attached for Home Defense(Surefire 9P with LED head). IN the field the Magnifier may be attached. I use the Magpul MIAD grip, With a Samson front flip sight and a ARMS 40Lsp for the rear end of the BUIS setup. ( I do drink the Larue Tactical "kool Aid". WWW.LarueTactical.com)

I like the weapon. I am confident, and enjoy shooting it.

Good luck.

Fred

everallm
October 3, 2008, 07:20 PM
That *IS* a conundrum, isn't it? RFB, no XCR-M, no RFB, no......

Sod's Law means that they will both be released at the same, now if there's a 6 month gap I'll save the pennies and see about both. If both arrive at the same time I'll be like the mule that starved to death between 2 bales of hay........:uhoh:

Tyris
October 3, 2008, 07:53 PM
The XCR's piston, carrier and bolt look VERY AKish to me. This is pretty neat.

Does that massive weight in motion hurt accuracy? I've yet to read any accuracy reports on these guys. Can they shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with a heavy barrel + bipod using match ammo? Is it possible to free-float that barrel?

I've never shot one and only seen them briefly at gunshows so I have a question about the gas system: where does it dump the gas? Is it like the AK or FAL and just vent excess straight at the gas-block? Or is it more like a piston-op AR and dump excess further down the pipe?
The reason I ask is that the AR-piston designs tend to run quieter with a silencer.

-T

everallm
October 3, 2008, 10:17 PM
http://www.robarm.com/XCR_Fieldstripped.gif

The Op-rod/Piston runs inside a vented gas tube in the upper receiver.

The initial gas impulse is moderated through the adjustable gas block and valve and the residual gas is vented and bled through a small number of holes along the tube.

The inertia of the Op-rod continues the extract/eject/cock cycle and the recoil spring return the lot to battery completing the return/strip/load portion.

Very little (comparatively) residual gas is left to vent into the chamber and ejection port.

The adjustable gas comes with a suppressor setting as a standard.

The Op-rod, bolt and bolt carrier are all moving in a straight line so, in my practice, tends to tame muzzle flip.

Marcus L.
October 3, 2008, 10:51 PM
I had the oportunity to shoot a 5.56 FN SCAR at a Federal instructor training course a few months ago. From my experience, the RA XCR was a much more comfortable shooter and recoil seemed lighter. Accuracy was about the same. I think I'll keep my XCR over the SCAR.

chieftain
October 3, 2008, 11:21 PM
In my own case, I feel 'less' recoil, and my sights move less than any AR I have fired.

Many other folks are surprised when they shoot it and say similar things, about the sights not being moved off target.

Go figure.

Fred

Tyris
October 4, 2008, 04:14 AM
How is the accuracy on the XCRs?

How well do they do with good ammo from a bench at 100 yards?

-T

everallm
October 4, 2008, 08:34 AM
The folks on the XCR forum board seem to come in at about 1.5 - 2.0 MOA but most of what is shot doesn't seem to be off the bench and is in a wide variety of weights and manufacturers.

If you go to the board and ask I do know there are a number who handload for accuracy.

www.xcrforum.com

chieftain
October 4, 2008, 10:42 AM
How well do they do with good ammo from a bench at 100 yards?


I don't bench my rifles anymore, because I don't shoot rifle events anymore either. (I used to shoot service rifle events)

I am much more interested in practical accuracy, in the field. I find the trade off of reliability vs accuracy that the chromed barrel and chamber normally give you are worth it.

IIRC my carbine shot 1 1/2 @ 100yds (that was more of a field support than benched), with Lake City M855. Good enough for me. As I find it difficult to find Lake City 855 regularly at a price that is tolerable, I really don't find chasing accuracy as very productive. I shoot a lot of Wolf 62gr for grins and giggles. For competition and impromptu bullseye, what ever brass cased 62 grain ammo I happen to have. I still like the Lake City M855 best, just hard to find and pay for. I keep some in my deep storage for those special reasons and occasions. For home defense I use Cor-Bon 62gr DPX in the primary mag. All the back up mags have M855.

As stated earlier, ALL weapons, ammo etc. are a trade off. Decide what is most important to you, and go. In a fighting weapon I choose practical reliability by a long measure over any second feature or ability (that includes magazines too).

The benefit of combat experience.

Go figure.

Fred

ny32182
October 6, 2008, 09:38 AM
How is the accuracy on the XCRs?

How well do they do with good ammo from a bench at 100 yards?

Tyris,

Regarding your question about floating the barrel, all XCR barrels are as free floated as they can be from the factory. That upper is monolithic, and there is no forward contact on the barrel other than the gas interface.

Regarding accuracy; to date I have fired only Hornady 55gr FMJ plinking handloads for accuracy (keep in mind I am not the perfect shooter, nor am I using the perfect scope for the application). My rifle has done sub 2" in my hands with that bullet and about 22.8gr of H335.

I have been meaning to shoot some better bullets, and have some 69gr SMK and 60gr VMAX on hand that I intend to load up soon.

As stated, the XCR barrels are *not* match grade accuracy barrels (5.56 spec chambers, chrome lined bore and chamber, equipped with A2 FS from the factory), but I'd expect their accuracy potential to be on par with any rifle using that type of barrel in a free float configuration. I would also hope that a true match grade barrel would be released eventually; though there is no speculation on that front currently.

Also keep in mind that currently, the XCR does not come with a nice trigger from the the factory. If you want to target shoot for accuracy, you will need a trigger job. I got the $49 4.5lb Bill Springfield job done on mine, and the trigger is just as he advertized now: clean consistent break at around 4.5lb, no takeup. Great improvement over factory.

RA also states that they are working on a factory match trigger, release TBD.

everallm
October 6, 2008, 09:55 AM
As Chieftain and NY32182 have already mentioned, this platform was not designed as a long range, exceptional accuracy, target rifle but as a reliable, flexible, easy to maintain and clean weapon for combat/adverse conditions.

As it is, it is probably more accurate as a rifle than most of the users.

I would be comfortable in saying accuracy will consistently and comfortably exceed minute of bad guy well out past 200 metres.......

ny32182
October 6, 2008, 10:05 AM
everallm, I agree with your statement seeing that the current barrel offerings are more geared toward a military type application rather than target shooting. However; I would expect the XCR to be capable of at least as much accuracy as a factory AR15 with a barrel of the same type, and probably more seeing as its free floated.

I think the design of the upper could also eventually lend itself to great accuracy if they ever decided to take it in that direction. I.e., drop in a match grade 6.5 Grendel barrel (not currently in existance, but all they'd have to do is produce the barrel) and a true match grade trigger (RA has stated this is being designed now). I think you'd have a rifle that could print some very nice groups indeed.

matai
April 29, 2010, 03:33 AM
Any update on these? I'm considering a 7.62x39 Robinson XCR. I've read the C-Products mags are good to go. How's the accuracy on these with surplus ammo?

ny32182
April 29, 2010, 10:01 AM
www.xcrforum.com

The 7.62's have been out for a while now. Plenty of Cprod mag discussion at the link above.

Robert
April 29, 2010, 11:01 AM
Far too expensive for me. And my FAL had the charging handle in the correct location long before the XCR came around. Total rip off of the FAL charging handle ;)

Tirod
April 29, 2010, 12:05 PM
X2 the charging handle, the ASA left side charger upper can be had for $299. It would make a bargain bin rifle about the same for $799.

No, I'm not preaching heresy. The change from DI to piston isn't a documented improvement, just a selling point to those not convinced by the AR's 45 year history of good service. There are quite a few million servicemen and women who never had a problem with the M16 series.

Adding a quad rail isn't a plus feature, it's a necessary evil to mount large and heavy old school lights and lasers with inefficient batteries. All that stuff is getting unitized, and rail mounts minimized on newer designs.

Add a quad rail, the tube stock, another $450, and you're still way under the XCR's price. You also have many sources to get critical parts.

The ACR's upper isn't forged, it's extruded, I suspect the XCR is the same. Extrusion cross sections are finish shaped in the die, there is only the additional machining for the rail ladders and a few pin holes, etc. You basically take a stick of upper and cut it. Nice for different length barrels, but not that expensive. In fact, it's a cost savings over drop forged, as a bad piece could be salvaged for a shorter barrel. Scrap from that would be scrap, a scrap forged upper is quite a bit more lost work in progress.

I have no doubt someone could make an extruded monolithic upper with no rails and sell it for half the ones on the market. Bolt on rails would do, and a long tube socket to mate with the barrel nut sprockets would torque it.

All that aside, I have to ask, where is the advantage to the shooter in the XCR when some guy in the Ozarks can mail order similar components and build an AR that does the same - for less?

Ad4m48
July 10, 2010, 06:11 AM
Not to start an argument, but I think we can all agree a piston seems to be a more reasonable and practical application when dealing with a tactical rifle like this. As much as I love cleaning my m-4 (army issued) for hour every time we go to the range because hot gas and carbon have been spread directly to my bolt, I think it makes more sense to have a piston.

Also I have read over reviews and forums for the past 4 hours on the XCR while pulling my toc shift here in Iraq and user after user have said that the recoil is surprisingly less then the m-4 they shoot.

Another thing that has me very exited to buy this weapon after this deployment is the fact I can throw a butt-stock on this rifle with some what of an angle so the gun sits higher while the stock is low in to my shoulder. I found that this was very useful when shooting AK-47s.

All in all I think this is going to be an affordable weapon when compared to its SCAR counter part, with reasonably the same performance if better its a shame that this weapon was disqualified in the race for the best SOCOM weapon due to a technicality....

againstthagrane
July 10, 2010, 06:44 PM
what was the technicality?

chieftain
July 11, 2010, 12:20 AM
what was the technicality?

IIRC they forgot to include a BFA in the package. (Blank Firing adapter)

Go figure.

Fred

Carter
July 11, 2010, 01:18 AM
Have fun waiting for it if you order it. I ordered mine 8 weeks ago. It was supposed to arrive in 2 weeks, but due to the factory needing to be retooled (no idea why...) and so on it has been delayed this long. Supposed to ship out the 16th though... (crosses fingers).

That said...I'm still happy I ordered it. Its one of the most modular and cost effective rifles around right now.

Ad4m48
July 11, 2010, 08:01 PM
The army said, "NO! I will not let a cost efficient, effective, and reliable rifle into my ARMY unless you can get me the blank firing adapter by 0800 today!"

TOU
July 11, 2010, 11:03 PM
VERY nice rifles those XCR's, but they looks suspiciously VERY similar to the nearly 3 decade old banned Daewoo's....

http://www.robarm.com/XCR_Fieldstripped.gif

Yes there are some improvements to be sure...rails and left side charging handle but a very fine copy of my DR-200's with a modernized upper. One thing i do NOT like on the XCR is the the limited amount of tilt in the upper from the lower compared to the full 90 degrees see on my Daewoo. JMHO.

chieftain
July 11, 2010, 11:41 PM
The army said, "NO! I will not let a cost efficient, effective, and reliable rifle into my ARMY unless you can get me the blank firing adapter by 0800 today!"

Yup.

You should read the history of the shoot offs that lead to the Beretta being chosen. Some times small administrative foul ups can cost a weapon it's chance to compete.

Remember these are the same folks who will be handling all our healthcare soon too.

Yes there are some improvements to be sure...rails and left side charging handle but a very fine copy of my DR-200's with a modernized upper. One thing i do NOT like on the XCR is the the limited amount of tilt in the upper from the lower compared to the full 90 degrees see on my Daewoo. JMHO.

I liked the early Daewoo's shot the two models they imported. Just couldn't find a place to to get parts. No support at all, at least 10-15 years ago. Has anything changed?

Go figure.

Fred

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