[Kharn]

www.drudgereport.com (amoung others) is reporting that:
Israel's security Cabinet decides in principle to expel Arafat but puts off immediate action, Israeli TV reports... Developing...

Kharn

[chaim]

Long past due, too bad they had to vote publically (giving warning for them to prepare) and then postpone action- should have voted privately (for operational security) and then acted on the decision.

[hansolo]

Chaim is right: the Voice of Reason. Myself....I'd like to be the one to skewer Arafat like Bruce Willis did the pawn shop owner in "Pulp Fiction." :fire:

[matis]

We have targeted Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein for death and have already killed Hussein's 2 murderous sons.

Arafat is responsible for the murder of thousands and he's directly involved in the ongoing killings in Israel now.

Exiled, Arafat will garner sympathy and consort with "world leaders" and continue to support the PLO.

So why doesn't Israel just have the IDF kill him as he deserves?


matis

[Baba Louie]

matis,

Just a matter of time, I'm sure, before that Palestinian (hardly) civil engineer becomes another martyr for the rock worshipping (is that too harsh?) crowd. I seriously doubt he'll die of old age.

Too bad, as he had several chances to turn the tide and be a positive influence where its sorely needed.

Adios

[KC]

Had an interesting exchange with a Palestinian classmate this afternoon. He had heard about Arafat's promised expulsion and said that it was grossly unfair of the Israelis to do that. He claimed that Arafat didn't have any control over those groups, and he couldn't stop them if he wanted to. (His words, and I let them slide.) He then said if Arafat were expelled, there would be rioting in the streets, and bloodshed.

I asked him then: If Arafat does not have any control over what is allegedly his country, why would it make any sense for the Israelis to bother negotiating with him, nevermind letting him stay in country? Further, say that there is blood spilt in the streets after Arafat is tossed; how is that any different that what is happening now?

He didn't have a polite or coherent response. I have another class with him tomorrow morning...It might be interesting, as the prof teaching that one is pro-Arab and quietly anti-West.

[agricola]

Your friend is correct KC in that Arafat's degree of control over HAMAS and IJ is overstated by the Israelis (however he probably is in full control of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades) given that they represent a different viewpoint from the still quite secular PLO/PA.

All that aside he is also the one person that the vast majority of Palestinians both outside and inside the Occupied Territories would support if any settlement were negotiated. Remove Arafat and you remove peace from the future of that part of the world, and probably set off a chain of suicide attacks - but that of course would give Sharon yet more reasons to clamp down,"clamping down on terror" by means of airstrikes being so very successful in reducing the number of terror attacks.

[Baba Louie]

agricola,

You are very astute in your observation.

Remove Arafat and you remove peace from the future of that part of the world,

The elimination of Arafat would bring total war to the citizens of Israel, but I have to ask; The State of Israel, borne in contention in 1947/48, is Peace a reality given the players in that region?

The Brits knew enough to pull out when they saw the winds of war stirring the Union Jack in Palestine post WWII, truly a no-win scenario for all involved. The Russians (then Soviets) and the French back the Arab, the US obviously backing the Israeli with the collective guilt of the Holocaust being championed by the large Jewish population here.

No, I fear there will NEVER be Peace in the region. Perhaps "fear" is the wrong descriptive feeling... I'm "sure" that Peace is out of the question unless the Israeli's lay down theri arms and allow the Arab contingency to roll them into the Med.

And that just won't happen, will it?

Sharon, et al, should leave Arafat alive and impotent by separating him from his lieutenants and finding some means for discredit or besmirching his name and ?honor? among the Arab population, leaving him to die an old lame duck. More Martyrs are not needed!

Identification and elimination (or neutralization) of any who would follow him as leader of the Palestinians would seem to be the next best thing.

All this presupposes that Israel is valid in their statehood and that some form of mediation is possible between the players involved.

I think that unlikely.

The three religions share the same supreme being, albeit different shades of the same color, each with a separate agenda. One group wanting to have a home created out of anothers homeland, each with backing by outsiders.

Situation remains ripe with strife for all.

There is no solution except "Might makes Right" and some would argue that that is worse than a solution, that is the problem.

Adios

[CMichael]

The elimination of Arafat would bring total war to the citizens of Israel, but I have to ask; The State of Israel, borne in contention in 1947/48, is Peace a reality given the players in that region?

Yeah, it might cause the terrorists to blow up innocent civilians at bus stops. Oh they are already doing that.

Arafat should be killed. He is also reponsible for the murder of two American diplomats.

I have no doubt that Arafat approves and even supports Hamas and Islamic Jihad. In fact it was Arafat's henchmen who were getting arms to be used for terrorism from the Karina A.

Arafat wants the "cause" to always exist so he can much money from Iran and other states that he can skim for his own personal bank accounts.

Arafat did say that he wouldn't leave that a bomb could kill him, but he ain't leaving. It sounds like a good idea to me :)

The problem is that Israel isn't doing what it needs to do because of fear of international reaction.

As far as the legal basis. If the US can justify trying to kill UBL and Hussein, Arafat is just as bad.

[Keith]

Remove Arafat and you remove peace from the future of that part of the world, and probably set off a chain of suicide attacks

????!!!!????? Sometimes you see a statement so mind-numbingly ignorant of all facts and history that it's difficult to even contemplate how a person capable of typing can write such drivel. The above quote is one of those statements.
I mean; have you failed to notice the 800 men, women and children murdered in the last two years by suicide attacks? Did you also fail to notice that Arafat turned down the whol enchilada (land, nationhood, half of Jerusalem) in Camp David a few years ago?

Arafat should simply be killed, immediately, if not sooner. No peace is possible while this ugly little thug sits in power, stealing all of the international aid and planning murder of Israeli civilians.

The terror attacks already exist and killing Arafat can make things no worse. What it might do, is allow someone else to take power. And since nobody can be as murderous and opposed to peace as Arafat, things can only improve.

Keith

[seeker_two]

There will be no peace while Arafat & his lieutenants are alive...

Israel should "expel" them from this mortal plane...

If any of the Palestinans want to fight about that, then those that fight can be "expelled" too..

There will be no peace until one side wins & the other side is wiped out...

[CMichael]

All that aside he is also the one person that the vast majority of Palestinians both outside and inside the Occupied Territories would support if any settlement were negotiated. Remove Arafat and you remove peace from the future of that part of the world, and probably set off a chain of suicide attacks - but that of course would give Sharon yet more reasons to clamp down,"clamping down on terror" by means of airstrikes being so very successful in reducing the number of terror attacks.

I am sure the leaders of the other terrorist organizations would support Arafat because they know that any "settlement" that he does produce is a means to an end, the destruction of the entire state of Israel. The will of the general Palesitinians is irrelevant because they live in a dictatorship controlled by Arafat.

It's like saying that the will of the Iraqi people made a difference in policy matters when Hussein was in power.

The way you fight terrorism is by killing the terrorists. The problem is that the PA hasn't been destroyed. It has legitimacy and therefore is able to support and sustain itself. They are even getting aid from the entire world community which they use for terrorism.

[Bruce H]

Arafat should have been killed twenty years ago. There will be no peace in the area until people get tired of dying. When the everyday people get fed up with the carnage they will quietly kill people like Arafat that live to hate and hate to live.

[2dogs]

Just out of curiosity.....................what exactly has Arafat contributed to the "Palestinian" "cause"?:confused:

Uh, Palestinians, take a look around...............maybe it's time to vote with your rocks.

I hope the doorknob does hit him in the butt.:neener:

[agricola]

so your receipe for peace is to kill everyone who opposes you?

bravo. . . . . :rolleyes:

keith, you arent stupid and surely you can see what the results would be if the IDF whacked Arafat - the current tit-for-tat bombings would escalate into something much worse, for both Israeli citizens and the Palestinians.

If the Israelis want peace there is only one man they can deal with - Arafat. He is the only man the Palestinians would follow into a negotiated peace. Knock off him and the next man the Palestinians will look to is Yassin and his ilk with all that entails. We would quickly see how mild Arafat was in that situation.

There is also the issue of what the effect would be on the rest of the middle east and the wider world generally.

[Keith]

keith, you arent stupid and surely you can see what the results would be if the IDF whacked Arafat - the current tit-for-tat bombings would escalate into something much worse

What is worse than having bombers running around killing people in coffee shops? Would Hamas start killing people AND desecrating their graves?

The best way to combat terrorism is to cut off the head. Arafat is the head. If he is replaced by another who advocates murder, kill him.

Keith

[2dogs]

If the Israelis want peace there is only one man they can deal with - Arafat.

I'll ask again.

Just out of curiosity.....................what exactly has Arafat contributed to the "Palestinian" "cause"?

In what way can the "Palestinians" consider themselves better off with Arafat as their "leader"? Haven't the Israeli's been "dealing" with Arafat for over 30 years? Hasn't Yassar rejected every offer made? Is there ONE "Palestinian" who is better off for having Arafat the "leader".

Give me the short list of major accomplishments by Nobel Peace prize winning Arafat.

Give me the short list of what benefits ANYONE, in the entire world, has gained from Arafat or the "Palestinians".

One more time.

what exactly has Arafat contributed to the "Palestinian" "cause"? And what have the Palestinians contributed to the world?


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[seeker_two]

so your receipe for peace is to kill everyone who opposes you?

No, that's ARAFAT'S "recipe" for peace... :p

MY recipe for peace would be to kill all those who are :cuss: --ING TRYING TO KILL ME FIRST!!!

I call that "War On Terrorism--The Natural Way"...:neener: