1858 Remington revolver value


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popinky
October 3, 2008, 12:02 AM
Can someone give me a ballpack value of a 70% original finish 1858 Remington Army revolver?

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arcticap
October 3, 2008, 01:15 AM
Is it a reproduction or an original?
Here's a list of several originals for sale with comparable amounts of the original finish for a comparison of asking price.

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/show_inventory.php?catID=3&subcatID=27

If it's an original, the value will be linked to it's overall condition. If it's a reproduction, the value will also be linked to who made it and when.

You can also ask for more opinions in THR's black powder sub-forum, and including a picture with some additional information would be helpful. :)

popinky
October 3, 2008, 08:48 AM
It's original, not reproduction. I see it tonight, have only seen a photo so far. I've been told it's marked 1858, but the owner thinks it's a Colt. It makes me think it may have ben made by another manufacturer, as I've read many copies were identical, or slightly modified to avoid patent problems. Were many period copies manufactured, and by whom?

Jim K
October 3, 2008, 02:47 PM
There were some period revolvers that were not exact copies, but which had a close resemblance to the Remington; the only one I can think of that was made in .44 was the Rogers and Spencer.

When you get a chance to really examine the gun, let us have further info and, if possible, some good pictures.

Jim

Ron James
October 4, 2008, 07:09 PM
There are no copies made that you would not instantly be able to tell the difference, unless it is a reproduction made in Italy

popinky
October 4, 2008, 11:11 PM
The gun's not mine yet, but the differences from a New model army are this gun has a sloped edge under the ramrod, where the New model army has closer to a 90 degree cut or angle. Also, the gun I'm looking at has a very tall front sight, maybe the German silver version I've read of?

I've attached a picture

Jim K
October 4, 2008, 11:40 PM
That is the New Model Army, and it should say "New Model" on the barrel. The Model 1861 or Old Model Army had a different hammer spur, and the Beals model had a different shape loading lever. The sight is screwed in and is correct for the NMA.

It looks to be in excellent condition; I hope the finish is original.

Jim

popinky
October 5, 2008, 08:56 PM
Got the revolver today, with it's holster. Thanks for all your help. SN is 99xxx.

Oldfalguy
June 4, 2009, 12:30 AM
popinky-
I realize its been a while since you posted pics of your Remington but I am in the hunt period for one, ran across one at a small gun show but couldn't really tell if original or repro that had been treated patina work etc. It was $1200. ONes I had seen at the Tulsa Gun Show in April were a little over 2K and were pretty nice. However on the one I saw at the gunshow I could not find a single inspection mark, serial number or cartouche on it. In fact I do not recall if it had Remington on the top of the barrel or not-
Do you have any helpful hints?

arcticap
June 4, 2009, 03:19 AM
Here's some info.:

First of all, on a New Model Navy, the barrel top flat is stamped: "PATENTED DEC. 17, 1861. MANUFACTURED BY REMINGTON'S, ILION, N.Y."

A New Model Army will have: "PATENTED SEPT. 14, 1858, E. REMINGTON & SONS, ILION, N.Y., U.S.A. NEW MODEL"

A Beals will have the markings: "BEALS PATENT, SEPT. 14, 1858. MANUFACTURED BY REMINGTON, ILION, N.Y."

If there are no barrel markings, it has been filed off and refinished, and may or may not be original. There should be no reference to "Black Powder Only" or such markings, as the originals didn't need such a warning. There should be no proof marks as seen on Italian guns, and the serial number should appear on the bottom barrel flat and the side of the grip frame, under the wood. Nowhere else.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=20431.0

Old Fuff
June 4, 2009, 12:13 PM
Go to this link:

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/Catalog.asp?aid=19340&ipp=100

Then on to lot #90.

Click on the thumbnail for a bigger picture. Then on the banner saying "Full-size image" at the top of the picture. You may have to expand your your screen (upper right corner). Click on the "X" to get back where you were.

popinky
June 8, 2009, 09:45 PM
Sorry, didn't see your question until now. I haven't figured out how to use the PM function...

My pistol is marked on the top of the barrel as described above, but my "NEW ARMY" stamping appears to have been added after, is lighter in the striking, and tilted somewhat off-center. SN is stamped under the barrel.

Also, there are several stampings around the gun:
- barrel near recever is stamped D on left side, W upsidedown on right side.
- Loading lever is stamped R near front of flute, on left side
- Receiver is stamped W on left side top strap, in front of cylinder, W on left side behind cylinder, above top screw, and an upside-down W on right side in front of cylinder again
- Brass trigger guard is stamped D between front loop and screw
- Both grip sides are stamped D on bottom of wood
- Left grip has WA in flowing script, inside a rectagle box, below screw. This may have been the owner (?) although depth of stamping is the same as the D's stamped into teh bottom of the grips.

popinky
June 8, 2009, 09:54 PM
Note: the top of the barrel has three lines of stamping, first is the "PATENTED..." line, second is the "E. REMINGTON... line, third is the "NEW ARMY" line

Also note:
- All letters are Capital, no lower case, and
- The second line spells out "NEW YORK", not "N.Y."

dhfenno
June 10, 2009, 04:40 PM
The cartouche on the left grip is an inspectors mark. You may also look at the rear of the cylinder between the nipples and see your serial number stamped there as well. It should match the one under the barrel.

popinky
June 23, 2009, 10:44 PM
The gun is put away, but thanks, I will check it.

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