[Rickstir]

23-10
We have a CCW law in Missouri !

[AJ Dual]

AWSOME!

We may be looking at a veto-override situation to get it through here in WI.

The precident will help.

:D

[Flashpoint]

Congratulations :D
Any Idea as to what will be required to get a permit?

[Guntalk]

It seems appropriate that this measure to provide security for individuals was passed on September 11.

[outdoorman63]

okay i am first in line

[Ala Dan]

Great News!!!

My ole' friend BlueDuck worked hard for this!:uhoh: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Leatherneck]

Congratulations Missourians! Welcome to the club. A veto-override on 9/11/2003. I like that.

TC
TFL Survivor

[dave5339]

Congrats Missouri! Job well done for those who have fought for this!

Semper Fi

[Justin]

Rock On!

Congratulations to all those who fought long and hard for this victory in MO.

Now to see if they will reciprocate with my state!

:cool:

[DJJ]

Congratulations!!

[Atticus]

Hey... I thought you guys were the "Show Me" state. Congrats!

[Carlos Cabeza]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS ! ! ! ! ! !
Congrats to all the hard working individuals who made it possible................

[PeteyPete]

5 states to go!!

Bring that luck to NJ!!!!

[Bravo11]

When we will know what the reciprocity states are?

[BowStreetRunner]

i hadnt thought that it is 9/11 and here we pass this bill granting a liberty to people who need it
how appropriate
take that gun grabbers!
how many more shall issue states were added this year/last year?
CO, MN, and MO or are there more?

[Chupacabra]

http://staff.washington.edu/bfiguero/Smiles/woot.gif

Congratulations MO!

[CRUSHER]

Congratulations !!

[Andrew Rothman]

Who can get a permit:

(1) Is at least twenty-three years of age, is a citizen of the United States and either:

(a) Has resided in this state for at least six months; or

(b) Is a member of the armed forces stationed in Missouri, or the spouse of such member of the military;

(2) Has not pled guilty to...a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year....

(3) Has not been convicted of...one or more misdemeanor offenses involving crimes of violence within a five-year period....

(4) Is not a fugitive from justice....

(5) Has not been discharged under dishonorable conditions from the United States armed forces;

(6) Has not engaged in a pattern of behavior, documented in public records, that causes the sheriff to have a reasonable belief that the applicant presents a danger to himself or others;

(7) Is not adjudged mentally incompetent....

(8) Submits a completed application

(9) Submits an affidavit attesting that the applicant complies with the concealed carry safety training requirement...

(and pays a fee and submits fingerprints)

(10) Is not the respondent of a valid full order of protection which is still in effect.

...

Out of State Permits: (Wow!)

20. A...concealed carry endorsement or permit issued by another state...shall authorize the person...to carry concealed firearms...throughout the state.



Where you can't carry:

(having a concealed weapon in a car on the premises of all of the below IS allowed...)

(1) Any police...station without the consent of the chief law enforcement officer

(2) Within twenty-five feet of any polling place on any election day.

(3) The facility of any adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison or jail.

(4) Any courthouse solely occupied by the circuit, appellate or supreme court...

(5) Any meeting of the governing body of a unit of local government...

(6) The general assembly, supreme court, county or municipality may...prohibit or limit the carrying of concealed firearms...in that portion of a building owned, leased or controlled by that unit of government.

(7) Any establishment licensed to dispense intoxicating liquor...(except) any...restaurant...that receives at least fifty-one percent of its gross annual income from the dining facilities by the sale of food.

(8) Any area of an airport to which access is controlled by the inspection of persons and property.

(9) Any place where the carrying of a firearm is prohibited by federal law;

(10) Any higher education institution or elementary or secondary school facility without the consent of the governing body of the higher education institution or a school official or the district school board.

(11) Any portion of a building used as a child care facility without the consent of the manager.

(12) Any riverboat gambling operation...without the consent of the owner or manager

(13) Any gated area of an amusement park.

(14) Any church or other place of religious worship without the consent of the minister...

(15) Any private property whose owner has posted the premises...by means of one or more signs displayed in a conspicuous place of a minimum size of eleven inches by fourteen inches with the writing thereon in letters of not less than one inch. The owner...may prohibit ...carrying...and may prohibit employees...from carrying....

(16) Any sports arena or stadium with a seating capacity of five thousand or more.

(17) Any hospital accessible by the public.

Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) ...shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to ...or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense.

[The Plainsman]

http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/2476182/detail.html?treets=kc1&tml=kc1_break&ts=T&tmi=kc1_break_5355_03160109112003

[OEF_VET]

Way to go Missouri. And reciprocity to boot! What a glorious thing ya'll have done on this, the anniversary of one of the darkest days in our nations' history. 9/11/03 will go down as the day Missouri joined the list of states who trust their citizens with their God-given rights.

Frank

[Ala Dan]

Att: The Plainsman

I vote YES, my friend! Hope it helps you good folks
in the great state of Kansas.

Att: All THR member's the vote is very, very close! So
surf on over an cast a vote to help The Plainsman out.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[another okie]

I voted. We're a little ahead. Thanks for posting those provisions of the law. I realize that's not the entire law, but it looks as if Kansas residents will need to get a Florida or other non-resident, since the licenses are limited to residents but there seems to be full reciprocity.

[Oleg Volk]

"23 years of age"....hmmm...why didn't they try for 40? Antis are trying to shaft everyone they can, even in retreat.

[Geech]

Now we need to get a law passed in Kansas!

[bogie]

Oleg, very simply someone raised a fit, and a compromise was reached. It's better to have CCW for 23 year olds, and none for 22 year olds, and then eventually get the age limit reduced, than it is to have none at all.

Y'all can come visit St. Louis now...

[bogie]

Oh, and where's the party gonna be tonight in St. Louis?

[Oleg Volk]

I am very happy for you, folks...just noting that antis are really very bad hominids. My conempt and dislike for them grows as I learn more about them.

[Spot77]

Results from that poll:

Do you agree with the decision by Missouri lawmakers to override the governor's veto and allow most citizens to carry concealed weapons?
Choice Votes Percentage of 476 Votes
Yes 282 59%
No 190 40%
I don't have an opinion. 4 1%

As of 6pm Thursday.

[Robert J McElwain]

Sometimes, it's embarrassing, living in the Land of Oz, with Dorothy, Toto and all these idiot politicians who are afraid of guns.

Maybe, someday, we'll be able to join the rest of the country.:banghead: :cuss: :fire:

Congratulations Missouri!!!

Bob

[lee n. field]

Woo Hoo!


"Mayor Daley, we have you surrounded."

[Monkeyleg]

Congratulations, Missourians! And thanks for paving the way for us in Wisconsin.

So, who's going to call Jean Carnahan and ask her opinion? :)

[BowStreetRunner]

i would but she is probably bitter about losing her "well won" senate seat

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

Well done, Missouri!

I'll betcha that this doesn't start a wave of shootouts on the expressways, either.

- pdmoderator

[Frohickey]

5 states are still no-issue...
9 states are still may-issue, which in some localities, may just as well be no-issue.

[Moparmike]

That friggin rocks!

Let me make sure (AND PLEASE POST A SITE FOR THIS LINK), that it has reciprocity for ALL states who have shall issue? I need to make sure for updating ARPA.

Thanks,

[Monkeyleg]

Frohickey, I saw that mention of 9 may-issue states in the AP story as well. I've always counted 8 may-issue. There's one state that is sometimes considered shall-issue and sometimes may-issue. Is it Alabama or Georgia?

Just want to be clear on this.

[BowStreetRunner]

GA is a shall issue state
i have heard that in AL and Conn. they are may issue but act like shall issue to avoid the ever present dicrimination that accompanies such programs

[CZ 75 BD]

y'all done big! And reciprocity as well. My lowly Alabama permit is now good in 5 more states this summer. OK, MO, TN, NC, and CO.

:cool:

www.packing.org lists Alabamastan as "shall issue". I'll try to look it up.

[Logistar]

Congrats! That's GREAT (and unexpected) NEWS!

Y'all can come visit St. Louis now...
Honestly, I have avoided Missouri for any vacation plans (and even avoided driving through whenever possible) due to their anti-CCW stance.

Yes, I WILL come visit St Louis (and Missouri) now!!!

Logistar

(- and I NEEDED some good news today!)

[mcole]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kansas is next. mcole

[Bruce H]

If we can elect Matt Blunt governor and get rid of a few more blissninnies we can make this CCW like other states. Don't think they will do it but if you are old enough to vote, old enough for the military, then you are old enough to carry. Like bogie said we have a starting place that we didn't have yesterday.

[El Tejon]

Way to go, Misssouri. I am very happy for our THR members there!:)

Take that, Saint Louie!

[DorGunR]

Congrats Missouri.......the show me state showed the other non CCW states how it's done. :D

Now if we could only do that here in Maryland............fat chance!:(

[IAJack]

Now we need to work on this very may-issue / no-issue state of Iowa between MN and MO that have both passed em this year!

So will non-resident permits be valid and accpeted in MO and what are the standards of training?

[Roadkill Coyote]

Congratulations. :D
When does it go into effect, and have you started to talk about the need for a statewide training program or class to educate local LEOs about it?

[Standing Wolf]

Well done, Missouri!

[WAGCEVP]

NEWS RELEASE
CITIZENS COMMITTEE APPLAUDS MISSOURI
SENATE FOR VETO OVERRIDE
BELLEVUE, WA—The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA) is proud of the Missouri Senate for overriding Gov. Bob Holden's ill-considered veto of concealed carry legislation, thus greatly expanding the ability of Missouri citizens to defend themselves from violent crime.

"Twenty-three courageous Missouri state senators stood firm against pressure from extremist anti-gun groups and the media to enhance the right of every law-abiding Missourian to protect themselves and their families," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. "Today's vote is a significant victory for public safety and personal security, and a defeat for the alarmists who would leave Missouri citizens at the mercy of predatory criminals."

The 23 to 10 override vote will make Missouri the 36th state to adopt a sensible right-to-carry law, Gottlieb noted. He especially congratulated Sen. Jon Dolan (R-Lake Saint Louis) for making the exceptional effort to return to Jefferson City on leave from his military duty in Cuba, to vote in support of his constituents' self-defense rights. At the same time, Gottlieb chided Missouri Democratic Party spokesman Mike Kelley for calling Dolan's return "an absolute outrage."

"Jon Dolan obviously understands his duty to the security of his country, and to the security of his constituents," Gottlieb stated. "The true outrage is that anti-gun-rights Missouri Democrats would consider it acceptable for a member of the military, who is also an elected official, to be prevented from voting on a critical issue because he is serving the nation. It is reminiscent of efforts Democrats mounted three years ago to prevent servicemen and women from having their votes counted in the presidential election.

"I cannot imagine a more important issue for Sen. Dolan's critical vote," Gottlieb continued. "Homeland Security takes many forms, whether it is sending soldiers to defend our nation's interests, or providing the means for law-abiding Americans to be secure right here at home. The 'right to keep and bear arms' is America's original Homeland Security, and self-defense is a basic human right. Sen. Dolan and 22 of his colleagues understand this, but anti-gun rights Democrats do not.

"Missourians should thank those members of the House and Senate whose votes prove they trust their constituents with the right of self-defense," Gottlieb concluded. "On the other hand, Missouri voters should remember those lawmakers who voted against their personal security at the next election."

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation's premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States.

:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Chugach]

Very, very good news Rickstir, and all of Missouri! Congratulations to all who worked so hard to make it happen!

[WAGCEVP]

"Sen. Joan Bray, D-University City, said she opposed the measure in part because it would not adequately protect women from domestic abuse. "


yeah Right Senator , And I 'spose the Lautenberg DOES save women?

:rolleyes:

anybody have Senator Joanna Bray's Email?



=====================================================

Senate overrides veto of concealed guns bill
By Terry Ganey
Post-Dispatch Jefferson City Bureau Chief
09/11/2003


Missouri Sen. Jon Dolan, R-Lake Saint Louis, talks to reporters shortly after arriving in the State Capitol from his military assignment in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in Jefferson City, Mo.
(Kelley McCall/AP)

The Missouri Senate voted today in favor of concealed weapons, meaning Missourians will be able to start carrying hidden guns.

The Senate voted 23-10 to override the veto of Gov. Bob Holden, who had rejected the measure sent to him by lawmakers earlier this year. The new law will take effect in 30 days.

The chamber needed 23 votes to override the veto, and the outcome had been in doubt Wednesday because of one senator's absence.

St. Louis area Republicans cast two key votes for the bill. Sen. Jon Dolan, R-Lake Saint Louis, had been on active duty for the Army National Guard in Cuba. He managed to return to Missouri early today and cast what became the deciding vote in favor of the override.

He angrily denied allegations that Republican leaders in Washington pulled strings to allow him to leave his post.

Earlier this year, Sen. Mike Gibbons, R-Kirkwood, originally voted against the measure. But then he switched his vote, ensuring the override. Gibbons' district voted overwhelmingly against Proposition B, another concealed weapons measure that Missouri voters narrowly rejected in 1999.

Gibbons said he finally made up his mind on this year's concealed weapons bill Wednesday night. He said he carefully reviewed the measure and found that this year's bill offered more protections than any such law in the country.

" I have come to this conclusion after much sweat and inquiry," he said.

Gibbons argued that it was inevitable that concealed weapons would eventually become law in Missouri and that he wanted to help pass a more restrictive bill.

"Anyone, who thinks this is a result of pressure from my colleagues or party, is grossly mistaken," he said. "There are law abiding citizens who feel they need to protect themselves."

An opponent, Sen. Ken Jacob, D-Columbia, said the new law is much more liberal than Proposition B. Overriding Gov. Bob Holden's veto shows a complete disregard for Missouri voters.

"This bill is a slap in the face to the citizens of the state of Missouri," he said. "This is a dismantling of Democracy."

The bill would require county sheriffs to issue a gun-carrying permit to someone who had passed a background check and completed safety training.

Also today, the Senate overrode Holden's veto on a bill that nullifies the city of St. Louis' lawsuit against gun manufacturers.

The override of that bill now moves to the House. Sen. Joan Bray, D-University City, said she opposed the measure in part because it would not adequately protect women from domestic abuse.

[El Tejon]

Just got off phone with Rev. Brook in New London, Missouri (my fifth call from Missouri tonight). He reported that celebratory shoots are taking place where he is (along the Mississippi) this weekend.

Take that, Senator Bray!:D

[WAGCEVP]

Subject: Fwd: Wedoneit!
Date: Sep 11, 2003 8:44 PM
I am probably as much shocked as I am pleased.

I would not have been one bit suprised at some last minute hocus pocus to
defeat the over ride vote. I saw the liberals (mostly St. Louis City
democrats) whining about sen. Dolan coming back.

I called sen Dolan's office this after noon to welcome him home, and thank
him for his efforts and support. The staff person told me his support on the
over ride vote was a done deal, and they would be voting in about an hour.

I then called sen. Gibbons office and asked the senator to please reconsider
his position on LTC. The staff worker asked where I lived, and I told her
St. Louis City. She then said sen. Gibbons was from Kirkwood. I told her I
knew, and I was a St. Louis County firefighter and member of IAFF local
2665. She then seemed very respectful and said she would pass the message on
to sen. Gibbons.


I felt pretty confident at that time, but knowing the deceit that occured in
prop.-B, I remained very skeptical.

However, we finally have prevailed, and I want to thank and congratulate all
of us. Our hard work and tenacity have paid off. I also believe we owe much
thanks to all the senators and representatives who voted to over ride,
especially the democrats who bucked their party and governor, and senators
Gibbons and Dolan.

We have to remember this next year at election time and show our support for
these folks.

The only question I have is, when does the law take effect. And if it's
immediate, is my Florida license valid?

Again; thanks and congratulations to all.

Chuck

>From: John
>
>Subject: Wedoneit!
>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 15:35:14 -0500
>

>John A. Wolf
>

>
>Congrats, everyone....CCW is now state law, as the State Senate has
>overriden OnetermBob Holden's veto 23-10. Of course, we owe a great deal
>to
>Sen. Jon Dolan, who made sure he was present-and took a hell of a lot of
>heat for it-and to Sen. Mike Gibbons, who showed great courage and moral
>fiber in his spirited defense of his position on overturning Holden's veto.
>--
>
>
>
>
>Yours,
>
>John A. Wolf
>
>Rock Hill, St. Louis County, Mo.

[Bainx]

Well, Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!

This calls for a "multi-state shoot-out" gathering of lovers of the second amendment and all the rest of our great provisions of government which we enjoy.

[jimpeel]

"This bill is a slap in the face to the citizens of the state of Missouri," he said. "This is a dismantling of Democracy."Yes, Sir, it is; and good fer 'em! We don't live in a democracy. We live in a Republic; and any effort to lead us in the direction of a democracy should rightly be dismantled!

Congratulations Missourrians!

[Frenchy]

All of those years of attending the Gun Rights Rally in the Capitol Rotunda in Jeff City.

We did it fellas...WE DID IT! :)

[Bodeen]

This is a great time for my first post on THR.Congratulations to all freedom loving Americans as well as us Mo. residents.Thanks to all that worked on getting this done.

Victory sure is sweet.:D

[Kamicosmos]

Finally! About time too. I love the irony of it being on 9-11 too.

Now to start shopping for some holsters for my selected carry pieces!

(Edited to add: Just ordered a High Noon Hidden Alley for my SP101.)

[Houndawg]

Cindy Caswell finally won.

[John Ross]

To answer some questions:

Not sure when it goes into effect.

ALL other states ccw licenses are valid. ALL.

JR

[Seminole]

Excellent!

Congratulations, MO High Roaders!

[Baba Louie]

Now I can go back and visit my family and not feel like and be considered a criminal.

Might even reconsider retiring there someday.

Who'd havthunkit would take what... 10 years for the good people of MO to persevere and defeat the sheep that control the two ends of I-70?

The SHOW ME State. Great!

TOTAL reciprocity? WOW!

Thank You to ALL who fought the good fight.

Gunslinger's proud of you all. (Some people know of whom I speak) Gotta get a .41 magnum some day to celebrate.

Adios

[zastros]

It takes effect in 30, count 'em, 30 days!

Of course, I'm trying to find out what the training requirements are and where.

Having lunch with a cop friend of mine tomorrow. He's of two minds about it. His email to me was:

"Great, now every mope in North County will be packing a heater."

BTW I, too want to send my regards to all the hard working folks that made the calls, and sent the letters, etc.. There was a major schism at SACMO (Second Amendment Comittee[or Coalition, I can never remember] of MO) And I remember thinking at the time, "YOU STUPID B@$**@^#$! NOT NOW! YOU'RE GOING TO !?%* THIS UP FOR ALL OF US!" [I think loud.] But both SACMO and GCLA were able to keep their eyes on the prize and get this thing passed. Thanks Folks!
zastros

[Gray Peterson]

"23 years of age"....hmmm...why didn't they try for 40? Antis are trying to shaft everyone they can, even in retreat.

Depending on what the minimum age to possess and buy a pistol privately in Missouri is, the law is quite clear: Any person possessing an out of state permit to carry is considered exempted from the carry prohibition statute, subject to the limitations of where firearms may be carried.

This means for you 21 and 22 year old folks who want to be able to carry in self defense, get one from Maine, or Florida, or Utah. I would go for Florida for the value of the permit itself.

Again, depending on the law, if you can possess and buy a pistol privately at 18, you can get a non-resident permit from Maine and be as exempted from the carry prohition as an MO LTC holder.

[S_O_Laban]

hallelujahwoooohoooo wooohooo :D :D A little more independence makes it way to Independence MO. Oh yeah did I mention, wooohooo :D :D Wow am I happy!! Hats off to my local representatives for their support of this veto override. Hey Bob,:neener: And yes it could not have come on a more appropriate day. I absolutly love this!:D Okay, I'll settle down now. I don't want to gloat:D My best to my friends here in Kansas ( where I work) on getting something done about this soon. Hang in there!


S_O_Laban's coworker sends his congratulations!:D ( he is a displaced Okie living in Kansas) He lurks here quite a bit.

[boing]

Time to break out the digital crayon and color in the "MO" part of my reciprocity map. :D

Stick it to 'em!

[AZRickD]

WAG said:I knew, and I was a St. Louis County firefighter and member of IAFF local 2665. She then seemed very respectfulThat's because she knows that the FireFighter unions are political muscle with lots of days off after working long shifts. In Arizona, the union "requests" that the members work for the candidate that the union bigwigs select. Unfortunately, those candidates are almost always big government types or the type that take my tax money to build another stadium for a well-connected millionnaire.

So, she didn't consider herself to be talking to just another average citizen. To her, you were a potential monkey wrench if you were able to sway your union.

See www.votetimweaver.com for more info.

Rick

[sm]

Congratulations!

I have been pulling for you guys ( and other states too) . MO is my northern neighbor...the only neighbor I wasn't legal. With my multiple permits...need to count up states for a update total # of states..:p

[Kaxter]

This means for you 21 and 22 year old folks who want to be able to carry in self defense, get one from Maine, or Florida, or Utah. I would go for Florida for the value of the permit itself.

Again, depending on the law, if you can possess and buy a pistol privately at 18, you can get a non-resident permit from Maine and be as exempted from the carry prohition as an MO LTC holder.

I am 19, is this really a possibility for me? This would be the best news in the world, it really would be. I know I cant carry my P220ST (too damn heavy), but I could carry my semi-bulky USP9.

[IAJack]

reading the details of the bill you must take an approved state, federal or certified NRA pistol/personal protection traing course.

I am an NRA certified pistol instructor. If there are any other instructors from MO who would like some help with classes in your area let me know. If anyone close to southern Iowa would like to take a class let me know too.

This is good news for us close neighbors here in Iowa, maybe it will spread this way?

[Kharn]

[Edit:] Nevermind, I didnt bother to read the third page of posts before replying and Lonnie answered my question.

Kharn

[powerstrk]

"Twenty-three courageous Missouri state senators stood firm against pressure from extremist anti-gun groups and the media to enhance the right of every law-abiding Missourian to protect themselves and their families," :D

That about says it all, CONGRATS Missouri

[Skirmisher]

YAHOO!!!!! Another state I can legally carry in. Feel safer all the time. Now if Kansas, Wisconsin and Ohio can go foreward the midwest will be safer or travelers. Of course we still have Illinois, but with the Daley machine in Chicago, there is not much of a chance for anything resembling concealed carry.

[outdoorman63]

if anyone hears of where there will be classes in the st louis area please post or email me/thnks

[Monte Harrison]

OUTSTANDING!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

[foghornl]

"Good on ya!" to the folks in MO. In the next session, after all the "doom & gloom" whiners have been proven wrong AGAIN, you can fix the things that need fixing in it, i.e. age 23 thing, can't carry in a polling place(?), etc

And now, the CCW states are 90% ! ! ! ! !

More logs for the fire we are building under the butts of the Spineless Ohio Senate

[clange]

This is freaking awsome. My sister told me last night that it passed. I honestly didnt think it would and hadnt paid much attention to when the vote would be, but i got some great news at the bar last night. After that it was a celebration! Now all i need to know is where to take a certified course between now and october. :p

[Gray Peterson]

I am 19, is this really a possibility for me? This would be the best news in the world, it really would be. I know I cant carry my P220ST (too damn heavy), but I could carry my semi-bulky USP9.

Yes, you can. The CCW law makes NO distinction on age. It simply says that all out of state permits are valid. It does not say "Only for non-residents of Missouri" and "only for people 21 or older".

A word of caution though: You may still be arrested. Though this is the case for anyone who carry's in Missouri on a non-resident license who is a resident, being under 21 you might have further issues. The might demand to know how you got the handguns. If you bought them outside of Missouri and then moved into Missouri, you'll be ok.

The only permit that I know you can get completely through the mail at age 18 is Maine.

Call the Maine State Police Licensing unit at 207-624-8775, and ask for a Non-resident License to Carry form.

I'm hoping Missouri doesn't pull a Michigan, and say that non-resident permits issued to residents are not valid due to "Legislative intent". Anti-gun logic if I've ever heard one. However, the law is quite VERY clear that all out of state permits are valid, much more so than Michigan's former language before shall-issue passed there in 2001.

One more thing: By carrying solely on a non-resident license in Missouri, you lose reciprocal privileges of carry in Michigan and New Hampshire. You could TRY getting a NH Non-Resident permit NOW, since the LTC law doesn't take affect for 30 days. But once that window is up, it's gone.

[Kaxter]

Lonnie, thanks for your reply!

But one thing you said has me very worried

A word of caution though: You may still be arrested. Though this is the case for anyone who carry's in Missouri on a non-resident license who is a resident, being under 21 you might have further issues. The might demand to know how you got the handguns. If you bought them outside of Missouri and then moved into Missouri, you'll be ok.

Ok, so how would I go about this? Would I have to buy a gun in maine? Would that require me to be a resident of the state? I really want to carry due to my job, but I dont want to go to jail. Thanks again, I am calling Maine tomarrow.

[zastros]

"A word of caution though: You may still be arrested. Though this is the case for anyone who carry's in Missouri on a non-resident license who is a resident, "

Had lunch with my cop friend today and he says you can't ride the non-res permit route if you are a resident of MO. Reciprocity is only for non-residents.

He said they (rank and file) haven't gotten any info, memos', etc. yet on how this will all shake out, as they didn't think it would pass (in his opinion). He'll let me know more as stuff filters down.

zastros

[Frenchy]

Indeed!...As an officer with my county's sheriffs dept., they don't have a clue as to what the paperwork and procedure will be. Hopefully, the 30 day will allow these departments to get on board...But...Expect some growing pains.

[Gray Peterson]

Had lunch with my cop friend today and he says you can't ride the non-res permit route if you are a resident of MO. Reciprocity is only for non-residents.

Sorry, the law does not say that.

The law says this:

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to section 571.094 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

It says ANY person. It does not say "any person who is not a resident of Missouri".

The cop is a MORON, as usual. If he arrests people for violations of the CCW ban who are residents of Missouri, but have an out of state permit 30 days from now, his department WILL get sued, and himself personally. I guarantee it.

Zastros, I suggest you have lunch with your cop friend, and show him a copy of the law, and point it out to him, and that if he enforces it against people like he said he would, he'd likely get sued along with his department.

[55645]

YAHOO!!!!! Another state I can legally carry in. Feel safer all the time. Now if Kansas, Wisconsin and Ohio can go foreward the midwest will be safer or travelers. Of course we still have Illinois, but with the Daley machine in Chicago, there is not much of a chance for anything resembling concealed carry.


I'm happy for Missouri, of course. Happy and envious. I know that I'll have to leave
Illinois to live as a free man. I'll probably die as one of Daley's subjects and the idea
makes me sad. I'm also angry at myself for not having the courage to leave.

[jimpeel]

Does this mean that if a person is there from Vermont that they need no permit, other than their Vermont DL, to carry in MO?

[John Ross]

"Does this mean that if a person is there from Vermont [or Alaska--JR]that they need no permit, other than their Vermont DL, to carry in MO?"

No. Missouri recognizes all other states' permits, but residence in a state with no permit system doesn't qualify in Missouri as a carry permit.

I think you knew that and had your tongue firmly in your cheek, but I gave you a straight answer just in case.

JR

[CasualShooter]

Greaaaaaaaaaat!!! :D :D :D

Wife and I both spent our time in Missouri's Capitol Rotunda and Legislative Offices during annual rallys while we were Missouri residents. It was a long time comming; but, it's great to see Missouri finally succeed. :)

It's terrific that my Florida license will be good when I'm visiting family and friends.

Now, we need to work on Kansas! The Kansas legislature passed it about 6 years ago only to have it vetoed by a Republican Governor :cuss: and there wern't enough votes for an override. :banghead:

We still have a Republican majority in the Kansas Legislature; but, now we have a Democratic Governor. :fire:

Kansas needs to play off Missouri's momentum and put a CCW Bill on the Governors desk next year (NOW would be better; but, alas, I'm afraid we must be realistic). :D

[jimpeel]

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[Gray Peterson]

Does this mean that if a person is there from Vermont that they need no permit, other than their Vermont DL, to carry in MO?

As John Ross pointed out, no. However, one of the opponents of CCW pointed this out. He claimed at least twice that Vermont residents would be able to carry without a permit in MO, which of course is not true.

[jimpeel]

Actually, I was very serious. This issue has been brought up in several states where CCW was under review and, in a couple of instances, there was an attempt to insert language into the law that would allow Vermonters to carry under the cover of their DL because they are at a distinct disadvantage, having no permit system, when it comes to reciprocation.

The question is: Could a Vermonter, arrested for CCW in MO, use his lack of a permit system as an affirmative defense that the MO law does not apply to all persons equally?

[Moparmike]

The question is: Could a Vermonter, arrested for CCW in MO, use his lack of a permit system as an affirmative defense that the MO law does not apply to all persons equally?If it was found to be a standard of inequality, it might backfire into a no-more-permit system, and be just like before. However, attepmting to being an optimist I might say that it would establish a national movement to have a nation-wide carry by amendment.

However, we have that amendment, its #2 on the list:cuss: .

[BowStreetRunner]

i doubt they could use that as a defense
we need to be careful about the law, something that on its face looks ok could end up biting you in the butt
for example, the SCOTUS refused to overturn the conviction of a federal correctional officer caught carrying a gun in New York City
New York statute excepts "peace officers" including correctional officers, from the law prohibiting concealed carry
this guy thought, hey, the law says "correctional officers" im a correctional officer, im ok
prosecutor said no no, only state correctional officers
and the Supremes said yup doesnt matter if he made a mistake about it....no defense

[jimpeel]

I'm talking equal protection under the law, not some guy making an assumption.

If all other permit holders are allowed to carry a firearm; why not those who are allowed to carry a CCW in their state with no permit system in place? Doesn't that unfairly exclude them from the equal protection of the law due to the mere lack of a simple piece of paper which they have no way of aquiring?

[Gray Peterson]

If all other permit holders are allowed to carry a firearm; why not those who are allowed to carry a CCW in their state with no permit system in place? Doesn't that unfairly exclude them from the equal protection of the law due to the mere lack of a simple piece of paper which they have no way of aquiring?

You made this point with two states: Vermont and Alaska.

Alaska has KEPT it's permit system, for people who want to use the CCW for reciprocity and exemption from federal NICS. So that argument is out.

Vermont residents DO have options available to them. The Missouri law does not say resident permits only. It says ALL out of state permits. All the state prosecutor or AG's have to do is make the point that Vermont residents CAN get a non-resident permit from several states, including New Hampshire, their next door neighbor, or Florida, or Utah, or Maine, so that they can carry in the state of Missouri, so that arguments is invalid.