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wyocarp
October 3, 2008, 08:30 PM
Can you carry into a bank in your state? Open/Concealed?

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Geronimo45
October 3, 2008, 08:32 PM
In Texas, yes. Concealed only is allowed.
Some have the proper 30.06 signage. Others have no signage whatsoever.

indiandave
October 3, 2008, 08:39 PM
I think you can in Pennsylvania. I see nothing that says you can't.

CZ-100
October 3, 2008, 08:48 PM
Yes Concealed in florida

jughead2
October 3, 2008, 09:23 PM
one is good in tn.

igpoobah
October 3, 2008, 09:25 PM
OK in Arkansas. No open carry here.

Loosedhorse
October 3, 2008, 09:31 PM
MA. Yup--do it all the time.

A bank or an ATM is a REALLY good place to practice your situational awareness. Remember what Willie Sutton (supposedly) said: he robbed banks because, as it turned out, that's where the money is!

Who'd've thunk that if Willie had only used repackaged mortgages to rob banks instead of a gun, not only would he have been a free man--he'd've had a golden parachute AND a bail-out! :mad:

jojosdad
October 3, 2008, 09:32 PM
You can CCW in CA banks.

jahwarrior
October 3, 2008, 09:34 PM
you can carry in PA, but you'll probably be asked to leave: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=382274&highlight=scranton

TallPine
October 3, 2008, 10:11 PM
Neither - not even with a permit :(

(which is why I use the drive-up anymore ;) )

That's one of the odd exceptions to our otherwise excellent lack of gun laws.

I guess they figure you couldn't possibly need to defend yourself while carrying large sums of cash to or from a bank :rolleyes:

NavyLCDR
October 3, 2008, 11:08 PM
In Washington State, yes, ccw or open. I open carry all the time inside my bank and at ATMs. They have never said a word about it to me.

KC0QGL
October 3, 2008, 11:16 PM
My bank was robbed 3 times in one years time. I always CC or go trough the drive-tru.

mljdeckard
October 3, 2008, 11:22 PM
Yes. In Utah is legal to open carry in them, but I've never done it. I have had more than one conversation with a manager who said they don't mind lawful actions at all in their bank.

snorky18
October 3, 2008, 11:22 PM
As I understand it, in NC you can NOT carry into a bank concealed, but you can open carry. Legally that is.

Practically speaking, open carry into a bank may be OK legally, but in Charlotte would most certainly land you at a minimum an extended conversation with a LEO, probably at least being detained for awhile.

BBQLS1
October 3, 2008, 11:40 PM
CCW in Louisiana.

SMMAssociates
October 4, 2008, 12:48 AM
Here in OH, if there's no "No Firearms" sign (signage rules are really fuzzy - it just has to be conspicuous), you're fine, Open or Concealed. (The latter requires a license.)

Interestingly, you can't Open Carry in a car without a license. :confused:

We're fighting an arrest in the Cleveland area right now where a guy was arrested (no license) for having his nominally Open Carried firearm partially concealed.... That three people called 911 with "man with a gun" doesn't seem to matter.... :cuss:

Regards,

Duke Junior
October 4, 2008, 12:58 AM
Only 2 states appear to be a problem.
NC concealed and Montana in any form other the the drive thru.
Still worried about,Butch,Sundance and the James boys it seems.

Standing Wolf
October 4, 2008, 12:59 AM
Open and concealed carry both are legal in Colorado.

trapper704
October 4, 2008, 01:05 AM
In Oregon the county I have my cc through says no cc in banks, schools , state or fed bldgs.

sailortoo
October 4, 2008, 01:49 AM
New Mexico is OK open carry or CCW in a bank (I wouldn't try OC in Santa Fe) - but don't you dare go to a restaurant that serves alcohol for on-site consumption, open carry OR CCW! We are still trying to correct that.
sailortoo

Blackbeard
October 4, 2008, 01:55 AM
It's a class C misdemeanor to even think about carrying a gun into a bank.

Duke Junior
October 4, 2008, 02:13 AM
It's a class C misdemeanor to even think about carrying a gun into a bank.

Illinois is not even part of our purview..It's probably a Class C misdemeanor to even think in Illinois much less thinking about carrying a firearm into a bank.
I love Illinois,the land and its people but Cook County toxifies(is that a word?)the whole beautiful state.
My niece lives in Westmont ,just west of Chicago operating a very successful restaurant.
Even so her dreams are to eventually escape from this Socialist hellhole and get to freedom.
I encourage her on every visit while wolfing down her lasagna.

Steve Raacke
October 4, 2008, 02:26 AM
CCW in Louisiana. Heck, I regularly Open Carry in my local bank branch with no problems whatsoever. I'll continue to do so until told not to at which time I'll close my accounts and find another bank to do business with.

stevelyn
October 4, 2008, 05:36 AM
Open or concealed in Alaska.

NavyLCDR
October 4, 2008, 05:41 AM
Open or concealed in Alaska.

Unless you are in the US Army. The US Army, by regulation, has taken away the right of it's members to conceal carry in Alaska. :cuss: :banghead:

They were too stupid to figure out that open carry is legal though. :neener:

Lennyjoe
October 4, 2008, 09:36 AM
YOu can in Arizona as well unless they have a no firearms sign posted.

Kleanbore
October 4, 2008, 09:51 AM
I'm surprised that no one has brought this up, but if it's a Federal Reserve Bank, the answer is NO and that's not decided by state law.

jrfoxx
October 4, 2008, 10:15 AM
In Oregon the county I have my cc through says no cc in banks, schools , state or fed bldgs.
And your county is LYING about the bank , school, and state bulding part. IF you have an OR CPL, you are 100% legal in those places, whether carrying open or concealed, anywhere in the state. Withouth a permit, FEDERAL law prohibits school carry (there is nothing in state law prohibiting it). Also, with banks and state buildings, OC is 100% legal under state law, without a permit, so you are still fine in 99% of the state. A handful of specific cities ban OC WITHOUT a permit (if you have a permit and OC, they can do nothing), so check city law if you have no permit.

So, in OR, if you have an OR permit, you can carry, open or concealed ANYWHERE except a courthouse, jail, or prison. Thats ALL that is restricted by state law, ans with a permit, ONLY state laws apply to carry. City and county laws are pre-empted completely, and are thus meaningless. Federal law obviously adds in ALL federal buildings and secure areas of airports.

NavyLCDR
October 4, 2008, 10:59 AM
I'm surprised that no one has brought this up, but if it's a Federal Reserve Bank, the answer is NO and that's not decided by state law.

As far as I can tell, there are only twelve federal reserve banks.

csmkersh
October 4, 2008, 11:10 AM
Federal Reserve Banks are the bankers bank, not the general public.

Sadly, often people misconstrue a federally chartered bank as being federal property and therefore guns forbidden. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Here's a FAQ on the Federal Reserve System (http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs.htm)

wyocarp
October 4, 2008, 01:13 PM
It is always interesting to read about laws. One place it is okay open carry but you can't carry concealed. Another state it's just the opposite. Some states don't care. And then we read where it takes 76 days to purchase a gun in DC. In Cheyenne, if I wanted to write the check, I could buy every gun in the store and walk out with all of them plus ammo. Thirty minutes south, in Ft. Collins, I have to have the gun shipped to a dealer.

Jorg Nysgerrig
October 4, 2008, 01:18 PM
I'm surprised that no one has brought this up, but if it's a Federal Reserve Bank, the answer is NO and that's not decided by state law.
How many people do their banking at a Federal Reserve Bank? :confused:

Wyocarp, you might enjoy browsing through http://www.handgunlaw.us/ to see some of the different laws.

SCKimberFan
October 4, 2008, 01:21 PM
SC Concealed is OK, unless PROPER "No Guns" sign is posted.

Norm357
October 4, 2008, 03:30 PM
Yes and yes in GA.

I'm surprised that no one has brought this up, but if it's a Federal Reserve Bank, the answer is NO and that's not decided by state law.

Who banks at the Fed? I'm there five days a week, (I'm a courier) and getting onto the Fed is a lot of fun. You get searched and patted down, and your vehicle gets a search. Inside, outside, under the hood.

csmkersh
October 4, 2008, 03:31 PM
... In Cheyenne, if I wanted to write the check, I could buy every gun in the store and walk out with all of them plus ammo.

Yup. And the dealer would have to send ATF a special notice on the purchase of more than one gun in a single day. FBI wouldn't give a flip; they'd just give a GO or a HOLD on your NICS.

scout26
October 4, 2008, 04:04 PM
My niece lives in Westmont ,just west of Chicago operating a very successful restaurant.

I'm in Wheaton, what's the name of the Restaurant ?? (Always looking for a good place to eat.)

For the Record. I Fanny Pack carry everywhere in Illinois except Schools and the Post Office.

In fact I had just made a deposit about twenty minutes prior to this at this bank. (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=232988)

burk
October 4, 2008, 04:23 PM
No restriction on banks in MI

Chuckulator
October 4, 2008, 05:29 PM
Michigan:

Burk, I'm not sure you are correct about that. In MI you may concealed carry if you have a CPL. You may not open carry unless you have a CPL.

Odd isn't it?

wyocarp
October 4, 2008, 06:19 PM
Yup. And the dealer would have to send ATF a special notice on the purchase of more than one gun in a single day. FBI wouldn't give a flip; they'd just give a GO or a HOLD on your NICS.

Actually, with my permit, they don't even check. It takes no longer than five minutes to purchase a gun.

LKB3rd
October 4, 2008, 07:49 PM
I'm surprised that no one has brought this up, but if it's a Federal Reserve Bank, the answer is NO and that's not decided by state law.
The Federal Reserve is a private bank. They are not a federal property.
I cc in CT whenever I go to the bank. It's legal here. In CT, even a sign is not legally binding, they have to tell you personally to leave...and if you are cc'ing.. well you get the drift.

RobNDenver
October 4, 2008, 08:03 PM
I always CC when I have to go to the bank or an ATM. I don't open carry so it doesn't matter in my case.

contenderman
October 4, 2008, 09:13 PM
You can unless the bank has it posted otherwise and so far (here in Northern OH) the only bank I've come across that posts is First Merit, and I've heard that the bank is reconsidering their position after loosing a significant number of customers. Although I do not know the latter to be fact, only heresay.

However there are a number of restaurants that do ... go figure. :banghead:

Duke Junior
October 4, 2008, 09:42 PM
I'm in Wheaton, what's the name of the Restaurant ?? (Always looking for a good place to eat.)

Hi,scout.My niece lives in Westmont,but the restaurant is a ways from you on N.Western Ave. near Rosemont.But you may pass by someday.A little free pub here.
I don't think she'll mind.:D

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/2/13224/restaurant/Rogers-Park-West-Ridge/Hot-Rod-Grill-Chicago

The Lone Haranguer
October 4, 2008, 09:52 PM
A bank whose funds are FDIC insured is not a federal building.

In AZ it is legal to carry in a bank unless there is a "no firearms" sign posted. If you carry into a bank - or any place - so posted and they spot your gun, you can be asked to leave; if you do not you can only be charged with misdemeanor trespass. Open carry is legal here and technically it should be legal to carry openly into a bank, but I am not willing to be the test case. ;)

WaMu does not "post," but it will be interesting to see what their new owner (Chase) comes up with.

SMMAssociates
October 4, 2008, 10:54 PM
Here in OH, back when the CHL law took effect in 2004, there was a race to put gunbuster signs up. I'm not sure if the local Chase put 'em up and later removed them, but they're not posted now.

Seems like people post in OH even if they don't post across the border in PA, MI, etc.

OH's rules on signage are extremely vague....

Regards,

ConstitutionCowboy
October 4, 2008, 11:25 PM
CC in OK banks is OK - as long as the bank doesn't post itself.

Woody

loneviking
October 4, 2008, 11:43 PM
Nevada, CC and OC are legal in banks unless the bank posts a nasty sign. Then they can make you leave or have you charged with trespass. I've only seen one bank (actually a credity union) that has put a 'no guns' sign up.

romma
October 5, 2008, 11:45 AM
You can in CT.

The Bushmaster
October 5, 2008, 11:48 AM
No problem in Missouri unless posted...

indiandave
October 5, 2008, 11:56 AM
Jahwarrior, in the link you posted it sounds like he was open carrying. Thats a dumb idea in a bank. Banks get robbed all the time. It's makes sense that the lady was scared. I was talking about concealed carry. Show me a law that says you can't conceal carry in a bank as long as there is no sign posted that you can't.

TallPine
October 5, 2008, 12:50 PM
Show me a law that says you can't conceal carry in a bank as long as there is no sign posted that you can't.

Montana :(

45-8-328. Carrying concealed weapon in prohibited place -- penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of carrying a concealed weapon in a prohibited place if the person purposely or knowingly carries a concealed weapon in: (a) portions of a building used for state or local government offices and related areas in the building that have been restricted;
(b) a bank, credit union, savings and loan institution, or similar institution during the institution's normal business hours. It is not an offense under this section to carry a concealed weapon while:
(i) using an institution's drive-up window, automatic teller machine, or unstaffed night depository; or
(ii) at or near a branch office of an institution in a mall, grocery store, or other place unless the person is inside the enclosure used for the institution's financial services or is using the institution's financial services.
(c) a room in which alcoholic beverages are sold, dispensed, and consumed under a license issued under Title 16 for the sale of alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
(2) It is not a defense that the person had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. A person convicted of the offense shall be imprisoned in the county jail for a term not to exceed 6 months or fined an amount not to exceed $500, or both.

Duke Junior
October 5, 2008, 03:57 PM
Show me a law that says you can't conceal carry in a bank as long as there is no sign posted that you can't

North Carolina.:(

Places off-limits when carrying:
• Any location prohibited by federal law.
• A law enforcement of correctional facility.
• A building housing only state, federal or government offices.
• A financial institution.
• Any public or private school building or bus, campus, grounds, recreation area, athletic fields or other property used or owned by an edicational institution.
• Any assembly where a fee had been charged for admission or where alcoholic beverages are sold and comsumed.
• Any other premises where notice that carrying a concealed handgun is prohibited by the posting of a conspicuous notice or statement by the person in legal possession or control of the premises.
• It shall be unlawful for any person participating in, affiliated
with, or present as a spectator at any parade, funeral procession, picket line, or demonstration upon any public place owned or under the control of the state or any of its political subdivisions to willfully or intentionally possess or have immediate access to any firearm.

indiandave
October 5, 2008, 06:00 PM
I am talking Pennsylvania. Not where you live.

j_charles
October 5, 2008, 06:15 PM
Trapper704,

In Oregon the county I have my cc through says no cc in banks, schools , state or fed bldgs.

You might want to check up on that one again. I don't know what county you're in, but they're feeding you a line of BS! You can absolutely CC in banks and in public schools. It is unlawful to discharge a gun in a school, with no exceptions for self-defense, but CC you're good. Not every sheriff around here is all that excited about shall issue or CCW in general. You need to check out a book called Understanding Oregon's Gun Laws. It's put out by the Oregon Firearms Federation. In fact gunlaws.com (I think) has books for just about every state of the union. Worth every penny!

wep45
October 5, 2008, 07:13 PM
Nope, there is no carry in my neck of the woods. But you can cross the line in the neighboring states and its OK, go figure.

Such a srange and wonderful world

msb45
October 5, 2008, 10:41 PM
PA is a OK for concelaed carry. Open carry isn't illegal but the banks would probably freak.

They can ask that you leave. I took my cash out of Wachovia because of their anti 2A stance. Too bad they're on the auction block :neener:

Rmeju
October 5, 2008, 10:42 PM
In MN, you can, and I do. Despite this, I still have killed, at a minimum, one less person than Ted Kennedy.

From my IL days I can tell you that in certain places it's a crime to even own (forget about carrying) a gun. I was once told so by a police officer who arrested me for speeding at a routine traffic stop, upon learning I had a gun in the trunk. This was, of course, once the camera was off.

45crittergitter
October 6, 2008, 07:36 PM
Legal in MS with CCW license. Appears either concealed or open is legal with the license, but as a previous poster said, they'd probably freak out. OTOH, maybe that would be a good thing.... freak out, call the cops, nothing happens except a good customer is rousted.... lesson learned. Banks here, like other businesses, MAY post no guns signs, which CCW holders must obey. I've yet to see a bank so posted. However, several banks here do not allow you to wear any headwear inside. I guess the morons think that a bank robber will either remove the ball cap or not rob the bank. Go figure.

rondog
October 6, 2008, 07:42 PM
FWIW - Due to the current state of the financial industry, I thought it best to remove my funds from my bank, in cash. This required an involved process, with two bank officers and a security guard. I, of course, was wearing my 1911 and had a .380 in my pocket. The guard, of course, was unarmed and useless. I thought about asking him if he wanted to borrow one of mine.:neener:

Duke Junior
October 6, 2008, 08:55 PM
FWIW - Due to the current state of the financial industry, I thought it best to remove my funds from my bank, in cash. This required an involved process, with two bank officers and a security guard. I, of course, was wearing my 1911 and had a .380 in my pocket. The guard, of course, was unarmed and useless. I thought about asking him if he wanted to borrow one of mine.

Good story,rondog.But remember the classic advice and this is for everyone.Don't buy high and sell low.
Buy low(almost there)and sell high.:)
Per the Bee Gee's, "Hold On".

dansalcedo
October 6, 2008, 10:19 PM
CZ-1000 Said You could concelled carry in Florida. I thought you could only carry with the bank managers written permission. It's been a year since my class so I might be wrong. Anybody know for sure?
Dan

Duke Junior
October 6, 2008, 10:50 PM
CZ-1000 Said You could concelled carry in Florida. I thought you could only carry with the bank managers written permission. It's been a year since my class so I might be wrong. Anybody know for sure?
Dan

Forget the bank managers!
For God's Sake you can carry concealed in Florida's banks.
Has the whole world gone insane?
Only in Montana and North Carolina can you not carry concealed with a permit in a bank.

http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USOffLimitsA-M.pdf

razorback2003
October 6, 2008, 11:35 PM
The interesting thing is it does not look like OPEN carry is prohibited in a bank in Montana or NC. It seems only the concealed carrying is prohibited. Kind of dumb that someone without a license can openly carry in a bank but someone who has paid their fees to the state cannot conceal. Very dumb about like how you can open carry in a bar in VA without a license but can't conceal with a license.

SMMAssociates
October 7, 2008, 12:21 PM
razorback:

One of the most interesting aspects of this kind of infringement is collecting the goofy things that give us the patchwork of laws that'll make Felons out of Law Abiding Citizens for the purposes of the criminal and terrorist friendly.... :mad:

For example, here in OH, we have "enumerated" Criminal Protection Zones wherein you can't carry at all unless you're an LEO (and on duty in most cases). THEY are required to post a sign that clearly says "unless authorized by law". :cuss:

You would think that, having a license from some reciprocity state, you'd be OK, right? Wrong.... Try being here on a weekend from Montana and knowing that.... :what:

Regards,

JesseL
October 7, 2008, 02:12 PM
Open carry is legal here and technically it should be legal to carry openly into a bank, but I am not willing to be the test case.

I can tell you that none of the local (Prescott area) Wells Fargo branches have any problem with open carry.

Deanimator
October 7, 2008, 02:31 PM
In Ohio, it's strictly the policy of the bank. Subject to corporate policy, the bank can allow or ban guns as they see fight. They just need to post the appropriate signage. Most banks in my immediate area seem not to post. I made a deposit at Chase yesterday. No problems.

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