Best Underfolding Kalashnikov


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clevland11
October 3, 2008, 10:12 PM
Since I received so many helpful suggestions on my last purchase, I figured I would once again take a dip into the collective think tank.


I am now in the market for a new underfolding rifle. For various reasons I am seriously considering purchasing a new ak/m70 and have been considering the pros and cons of each manufacturers. From what I've gathered, Norincos and Bulgarian rifles aren't of the highest quality. Most have recommend Century Arms/Yugo or Romanian but I am still unconvinced of their superiority.

Are their any opinions out there on the quality/realibility of any of these brands?



What I was considering buying:
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/112134000/112134992/pix2051900609.jpg
A Yugo m70AB underfolder


or


http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/111725000/111725688/pix1727425671.jpg
A Romanian Ak47 underfolder

or even


http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/112048000/112048881/pix1980496890.jpg
A Vector Arms underfolder (which I know little about)

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MRIman
October 3, 2008, 10:37 PM
I voted Norinco,hope it covers Poly's as well.
Next would be the Vector,an older matching one.
Most all of the builds now are from mis-matched parts.
Yugo's are nice for the cash,but i'm fond of a chrome lined bore.
But when it comes to the "bang for the $$",Romie's are not that bad.
I've owned 11 Romie AK types,all have been worth the money spent.

Gord
October 3, 2008, 10:48 PM
I handled a Romanian underfolder at the shop a few days ago. I wasn't impressed with the quality; it's basically a WASR with an underfolder bolted on.

FWIW, I just ordered a Yugo myself. If nothing else, you get flip-up night sights for the same price as any other underfolder, and I haven't been able to find any negative reviews on 'em...

saigafreake
October 3, 2008, 11:11 PM
I realy like the polish underfolder i just got very nice gun.

H2O MAN
October 3, 2008, 11:12 PM
I prefer fixed stocks or those with an adjustable LOP so I sold off this NORINCO 56S - 1

http://www.athenswater.com/images/NIBtype56S-1.jpg

briansmithwins
October 3, 2008, 11:46 PM
If you actually want to shoot it get a side folder (triangle or solid NOT wire). The Russian/Bulgarian sidefolders are very comfortable to shoot and lock up as tight as a fixed stock.

Underfolders look cool, but suck for actual use. BSW

7.62 folder (SLR107FR)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/briansmithwins/fieldstripped.jpg

5.56 folder (SLR106FR)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/briansmithwins/151986557-L.jpg

nalioth
October 4, 2008, 06:25 AM
I handled a Romanian underfolder at the shop a few days ago. I wasn't impressed with the quality; it's basically a WASR with an underfolder bolted on. Which makes perfect sense, since the Romanians are now exporting WASR underfolders.

The MD-65 (romanian military underfolder) is an excellent rifle.

I'll agree with BSW, though. Underfolders suck to use (but they're KEWL to look at).

xd45gaper
October 4, 2008, 06:40 AM
no polish! the polish make some very nice guns.

bejay
October 4, 2008, 08:05 AM
back when they were being imported norinco made one of the best aks considered superior mainly because of the thicker receiver and were talking pre 1990 here, but given todays prices on the norincos in an underfolder version you could probably buy 2 or 3 of the cheaper romanian or yugos for what you would spend on 1 norinco in good condition.
would also choose the polish underfolder over the yugo underfolder while its built from a parts kit like the yugo is, the parts was probably in great condition to begin with, and should have the crome lined bore.
while the romanian and yugo may be the most common and cheapest to find right now doesnt really make them the best.

Ian
October 4, 2008, 11:41 AM
Try shooting one before you buy it. Ike the other guys have said, underfolders suck to shoot.

possum
October 4, 2008, 12:33 PM
my favorite ak other than a krink is the yugo underfolders, i thought i liked my mak until i shot my dads yugo underfolder, i am still trying to pry it away from him!:)

clevland11
October 4, 2008, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the responses everyone. I was wondering why the underfolder has such a bad reputation (performance wise). I have fired a century arms underfolder and I wasn't completely disappointed by its performance. Is a sidefolder really that much more stable? Do underfolder's typically come loose when firing? I am relatively inexperienced when it comes to rifles so please help me understand the problems associated with this design.

Realbigo
October 4, 2008, 04:44 PM
I can't give you an opinion of the others listed, but I am more than satisfied w/my Vector Underfolder. I've put around 1000 rounds through it w/out so much as a FtF. I've heard others say they were crap, but i love mine, and it's my first line rifle.
I also have an NHM91, and I'll stack the underfolder against it easily. Even w/ the longer barrel, I thing the Vector shoots a touch more accurately. Of course it could be operator error.

MGshaggy
October 4, 2008, 06:11 PM
Is a sidefolder really that much more stable? Do underfolder's typically come loose when firing?

Underfoldering stocks will get loose after a while and become far less stable than sidefolders. Not that a sidefolder can't or won't have a slight bit of wobble, but its nothing like the sloppy wobble of an underfolder. A milled receiver helps, and both types of stocks will have a bit less wobble due to the rigidity of the receiver.

Hkmp5sd
October 4, 2008, 06:26 PM
The best underfolders around are the Polytech "Legend" series.

geojap
October 4, 2008, 06:49 PM
If you actually want to shoot it get a side folder (triangle or solid NOT wire). The Russian/Bulgarian sidefolders are very comfortable to shoot and lock up as tight as a fixed stock.

I love my Arsenal SLR-106FR. It's a very nice rifle.

zoom6zoom
October 4, 2008, 07:04 PM
My Yugo M70 is currently my favorite underfolder... but I haven't finished building my Polish or or my MD63 yet...

Gewehr98
October 4, 2008, 07:10 PM
What's wrong with a wire sidefolder?

I found them considerably more comfortable to shoot than the underfolder I used to own, and the lock up is like a Swiss bank vault. The underfolder rails actually hurt, vs. the gentle curve of the wire sidefolder.

Nowadays, you even have a choice of either the Romanian pushbutton or East German lever-actuated wire sidefolders.

My SAR-1 w/Romanian wire sidefolder:

http://mauser98.com/sar1walnut.jpg

66912
October 4, 2008, 07:35 PM
My Polish is the only underfolder I have owned. So I think that it is everthing I need as well as expected. My other is an Arsenal SLR 95 and these are hard to compare with each other. I also like the Polish because it looks and feels like an AKM.

lightweight
October 4, 2008, 07:54 PM
Polish

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/th_IM000177.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/IM000177.jpg)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/th_IM000951.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/IM000951.jpg)

guntotinguy
October 4, 2008, 08:00 PM
Love my Yugo M70AB2 underfolder...and the SLR-107CR side folder.

clevland11
October 5, 2008, 10:35 PM
Is there really a noticeable wobble in the underfolding stock? I've shot one before and didn't see too much of a difference compared to my saiga. Are underfolders a waste of money?

http://forum.saiga-12.com/uploads/monthly_02_2007/post-5340-1171210800_thumb.jpg

NonConformist
October 5, 2008, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by: briansmithwins

Underfolders look cool, but suck for actual use. BSW

5.56 folder (SLR106FR)



I want one! That a sweet looking AK and in a round I have plenty of

Dutchman01
October 5, 2008, 10:50 PM
I had a vector underfolder with polish parts and a stamped nodak spud reciever. I found it a very good carbine. I would highly recommend one, if it has the chrome lined european made barrel. I'm told some of the newest ones don't. However, I sold it and bought an sas m-7 classic. This carbine has a milled receiver, heavier barrel, heavier everything. It's just a class act.

Dutchman01
October 5, 2008, 11:00 PM
Is there really a noticeable wobble in the underfolding stock? I've shot one before and didn't see too much of a difference compared to my saiga. Are underfolders a waste of money?

There is some up and down movement but not for me when I shoot it. I'm getting 3 in groups regularly with one of my handloads so far. I suppose it's a waste of your money if you don't want one. For me it's not, if only because I like the compactness of the carbine with the stock folded. It'll fit in my backpack.

Dutchman01
October 5, 2008, 11:04 PM
The best underfolders around are the Polytech "Legend" series.

I've always heard good things about them.

clevland11
October 7, 2008, 01:43 PM
Thanks for the advice. I think I'll go with my original instinct (and popular opinion) and get the Yugo. I appreciate all the help and will definitly consider many other brands for my next purchase.

KBintheSLC
October 7, 2008, 02:22 PM
I have a Century-built, Yugo underfolder. No complaints whatsoever... it is one fine shooting rifle.

clevland11
October 7, 2008, 06:35 PM
I have a Century-built, Yugo underfolder. No complaints whatsoever... it is one fine shooting rifle.

Is the lack of chrome barrel anything to really worry about?

briansmithwins
October 7, 2008, 06:42 PM
Is the lack of chrome barrel anything to really worry about?

Chrome makes the barrel last longer as it's harder and more wear resistant than steel. Chrome also resists the effects of corrosion better too.

Most people will never notice if their rifle has a chrome bore or not. It kinda depends why you are getting the rifle: range plinking or SHTF survival tool.

BSW

gunseller2
October 7, 2008, 07:25 PM
I have a Vector, born from a Polish parts kit I was told. Great workmanship, acceptable accuracy, and flawless functioning with every type of mag and ammo I feed it with,

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