[P90shooter]

So its been about a year since I've seen my Father-in-law. He came into town this week for work so we had a great chance to catch up and talk about one of our favorite subject, guns.

For some background he is a huge Glock fan and owns a Glock 21 and due to several recent surgeries on his shoulder and elbow he now unable to shoot it because of the violent recoil it gives him. He isnt a small guy, he stands about 6'2" and maybe 200 lbs so on a healthy man his .45's recoil is a non-issue.

My wife has been telling him all about my passion of purchasing firearms and being that he has never made it out to Texas this was his first time being able to see my small collection.

So now that I have that out of the way, we started talking about .45's and how he cant shoot his anymore due to his injuries. This got me thinking so I brought out my Ruger P90th. He picked it up and inspected it and commented on how comfortable it felt in his hand. This got me thinking, I recently put an EFK Firedragon frame saver spring in my P90 and I have noticed a huge difference in the recoil, so I suggested that he join me in heading over to my local gun club.

Being that he hasnt been able to shoot a .45 in quite sometime and he was nervous about his arm, I only loaded him up with half a mag. He steps up to the fireing line, takes a careful aim, and BAMM right in the 10 ring. He stops looks at me with a huge smile on his face. After he finished emptying the mag he sets my Ruger down and ask, "So, what do you want for you gun? Will you take my Glock as a trade?"

So tonight he tells me he has decided to ditch his Glock and wants to get in the market for a new Ruger.

ANOTHER GLOCK BITES THE DUST!



GLOCK
DISHWASHER SAFE IN ALL 50 STATES

[Seancass]

attaboy. another soul saved. :D

[Kindrox]

There is nothing wrong with glocks, just people who don't know there is life outside of owning one.

[3pairs12]

Sad to see another one go.

[MagnumDweeb]

I've heard the P90 Ruger can be converted to 10mm haven't seen it or found where or how to do it, you find it and you'll save another from being a Glock owner. I'll only buy a Glock to purchase a 10mm Glock 20. My fiancee loves my P90 too much to let me convert it but I could another one up for just over $300 and get it done. Maybe conversion for a P345 instead.

[P90shooter]

I've heard that to. If I remember I think BarSto had a conversion at one point but its been a while since I've checked them out

[Almond27]

Glocks will shoot your ass off!!

[ljnowell]

Yep, everyone hates the best. Keep converting people, thats more glocks for the rest of us.

[jc650]

Thats great that he found a gun to be comfortable with. On the flipside, who cares if someone likes a Glock or they dont?

[denfoote]

If Rugers are so innovative why then did they copy the Glock trigger to solve their little SR9 embarrassment?? :evil:

[870]

P90shooter:

Have your Dad check out the G21SF.

I've always felt that the G21 felt like a brick in my hand - I like Glocks - but yesterdat I got to fire a G21SF, (SF = slim frame), I found it fit my hand very well and it felt like the recoil was a little less too.

[calaverasslim]

I have owned 2 Glocks in the last 3 years. Started with a Model 19, 9mm and **** canned it within 2 months. Bought a CZ and soooooo much happier.

Have a Kimber 1911, 45acp, 4" and decided it was a little big for carry and bought a Glock Model 31. Took me 2 weeks to dump that one and got a 3.5" 1911.......

sssoooooo much happier:D:D:D:D

Am I a Glock convert? NO..... People tell me how great a Glock is and I wanna puke.

You like em, you keep em

[Muddflap]

Glocks will shoot your ass off!!

I don't see the advantage. I need my ass.

[Double Naught Spy]

It's a cult, a creepy, kooky cult!

Glocks are fine guns, but ownership seems to be very cultish.

[possum_128]

Another Glock has not bitten the dust. Some very smart gun person will buy it and add to his collection knowing what a fine weapon it is.:neener:

[Ben86]

It sounds more like a need to convert caliber, not brand.

[dmazur]

Another Glock has not bitten the dust. Some very smart gun person will buy it and add to his collection knowing what a fine weapon it is.

How thick is a Glock slide?

I have a coffee table that's not level, and so...

:neener:

[ljnowell]

P90shooter:

Have your Dad check out the G21SF.

I've always felt that the G21 felt like a brick in my hand - I like Glocks - but yesterdat I got to fire a G21SF, (SF = slim frame), I found it fit my hand very well and it felt like the recoil was a little less too.


Actually SF=Short Frame. But that wont solve anything. Its obviously the glocks fault. Thats why no LEO agencys use them anymore. They will probably go out of business soon too, because old men cant handle the recoil of a .45acp.

[mossh69]

(im A Gun Lover )any Gun Out There Gets My Love.rugers Included. So Don't Be A Glock Hater,learn To Embrace Them All.

[SureThing]

Rugers are so good, they have discontinued half of them . P89, 94, etc

[HGUNHNTR]

Yeah Rugers are awesome precision machines with great triggers and great aesthetics. Oh yeah, and Bill Ruger has done a lot for the shooting sports with your dollars as well. Keep supporting the company that makes sub par guns,and uses your funds against you.

[wyocarp]

How thick is a Glock slide?

I have a coffee table that's not level, and so...


That sounds like a great idea. The Glock is among the elite group that could serve a duel purpose like that. It would level your coffee table and therefore would always be handy. By the way, don't worry about the coffee table hurting it, the Glock can take it and still perform well.

[Wolfman_556]

I do not like Glocks. I don't like striker-fired or DAO pistols and Glock's ergonomics don't work for me.


But if someone else likes Glocks, I'm ok with it.

I'll try to get them into something better (IMO) but if they stick with Glock... meh.


Glock and Glock fanatics are not our enemies. The Neo-Stalinist anti-gun people are the enemy.

Embrace diversity. We're all in this together.

[Prepster]

Wolfman, I couldn't have said it better

[mgregg85]

Ah yes, I love it when someone brings up the glock. The glock fanboy army converges on them and suddenly its like watching a gaggle of monkeys trying to hump a football.

Really, just pick the weapon that best fits your hand and personal preferences. Glocks are good weapons but so are XDs and rugers.

[soulless80]

i may buy others but never will ditch my glock..

[bartsitarski]

Just like any other product, a gun will have it's fan boys. I love my Glock 26 but I also have CZs, Makarovs, and various others in the safe. My personal choice is to carry the Glock and a Makarov, depending on the clothing. I will buy more Glocks in the future, but, I will also not close the door to other purchases. I simply do not like the way that the XDs fit in my hand.

[Geno]

Ah yes, I love it when someone brings up the glock. The glock fanboy army converges on them and suddenly its like watching a gaggle of monkeys trying to hump a football.

Really, just pick the weapon that best fits your hand and personal preferences. Glocks are good weapons but so are XDs and rugers.

Common sense still exists. Thank goodness. :) I like my Glocks, my Colts, heck, I even like my Browning High Power. What fits the hand is critical. That I prefer one doesn't make the others bad.

Doc2005

[Zoogster]

Glocks are good guns but they are hardly perfect. They are light weight, very reliable, good capacity firearms. They are also cheap to mass produce.
An often overlooked thing is the bore axis relative to the shooter's hand gives much less muzzle flip than a similar weight firearm firing the same load.

However at the same time the low weight also means a heavier well designed firearm may have less felt recoil on someone sensative.
A plastic gun will also never be as robust as a well built steel piece. You can crack a plastic frame dropping it wrong, but an overbuilt solid piece of steel (not the thin crap some make) can be dropped, kicked, rolled over, and still function.
You can't use a piece of plastic as a club, a big junk of metal leaves that option available.

There is many considerations in a firearm. Glocks fill a role.

[parisite]

I've matured and been through and outgrown the Glock/polymer gun stage in my life...........never to return.

The new wore off quick when I purchased a polymer gun. There just was no "pride of ownership" there for me.

[SureThing]

Parisite, I'm about to start a new thread take a look here soon.

[capttom]

parasite said:
The new wore off quick when I purchased a polymer gun. There just was no "pride of ownership" there for me.

I agree. I have some guns for which there's immense pride of ownership, like my 75 year old Colt Woodsman and 84 year old Remington 12a. However, my Glock 26 is a tool. I drive a Kia Rio and have several hammers in the tool box.

[Ankeny]

I've matured and been through and outgrown the Glock/polymer gun stage in my life...........never to return.
Gosh, I could say the same thing about the 1911 platform. I have shot a lot of different guns through a 35 year competition shooting career. In fact, I held a Glock in contempt for decades. Now I use Glocks exclusively for personal defense guns and for some competition.

It's not that Glocks are so wonderful, it's just that I like guns with no external controls, same trigger pull shot to shot, light weight for the capacity, etc. Matters not if it's a Glock, XD, or an M&P.

Truth be known, just about any gun will do if you will do...

[wyocarp]

For me, I don't understand the bashing of Glocks. I shoot a lot of different guns and what turns me against a particular gun is if it doesn't work: like the Taurus .22 mag revolver I tried to shoot today that requires a hammer to use the ejector rod, or the lightning I purchased at the beginning of summer that blew apart in about twenty rounds, or the Kimber that won't shoot a magazine without jamming.

But a gun that shoots as reliably and accurately as Glocks, I like.

[Atla]

I'll be honest in saying that I'm bias toward Ruger pistols.

I run in the competition crowd, and I've yet to see a Ruger pistol shot in any match.

I feel like there has to be some sort of reasoning behind that.

Anyone care to explain?

[tallpaul]

His wimpy wrist is not a "glock issue" :p

All kiddin aside I did stay away from the ugly souless things for years- decades even but I have a few now. They are light and I really don't feel bad leaving them out and about or abusing them. I kin pick about any glock up and fire kill zone shots at reasonable ranges... they aren't perfect but they do generally work...

I really would not want to leave a favorite smith revolver or 1911 in the truck or in the cabin etc... if a glock gets hurt or stolen another souless replacement from them will suffice for many roles.

[kcshooter]

An often overlooked thing is the bore axis relative to the shooter's hand gives much less muzzle flip than a similar weight firearm firing the same load.Yes, but in order to do this, they create a grip angle that causes many people, myself included, to need to break their wrist forward from it's natural pointing position to align the sights.
That's my only complaint about Glocks.

[ljnowell]

Whats kind of funny is if you like glocks you are a "fanboy", if you like 1911s you a are a afficianado.:rolleyes:

[HB]

You can crack a plastic frame dropping it wrong, but an overbuilt solid piece of steel (not the thin crap some make) can be dropped, kicked, rolled over, and still function.
You can't use a piece of plastic as a club, a big junk of metal leaves that option available.

I seriously doubt that a glock's frame will crack in almost any situation... It might scuff, dent, etc but I don't think it is hard enough to "crack". :scrutiny:

The grip angle is the only issue with glock in my opinion, BUT, many european pistols have steep grip angles, such as hamerlli, pardini, and most styers. It makes sense that the Glock would follow suit, even the Luger has a steep grip angle.

HB




PS, I hope I never have to use my pistol as club, although my pimp might :neener:

[357sigRog]

Yes they are not the prettiest gun in the world but I do know one thing, my Glock goes bang every time I pull the trigger. It has never had a jam of any kind since I have had it and is very accurate. I can't say that about some of my other handguns that are more expensive. Everyone is different though, some have bigger hands than others, it is all a personal preference. It doesn't bother me one bit if someone hates my handgun. If someone likes a Ruger better that's fine too. I carry a Glock, because to me it is the most reliable handgun. All I know is I like shooting guns wether it is a Glock, Bersa,
S&W or a Taurus, it is fun and I am glad I have the right to do it.

[Ben Shepherd]

Folks, I think our OP was just havin' a bit o' fun. Lighten up.

Me personally? I "dislike" them immensely. Can't stand that blasted trigger safety or the ergonomics.. But given that-

I have a brother that trusts his glock to get him home to his wife and four kids after every shift. And an ex-father-in-law that survived a firefight with two guys that had him pinned down in a 45 degree crossfire. His cruiser was swiss cheese when it was over. One BG got shot, the other BG ended up on his back with said FILs glock(hot from shooting almost the full magazine) crammed muzzle-first into his cheekbone.....This happened because the gun that said BG was using jammed. So I am not going to bash glocks.

But I still reserve the right to dislike them on a personal level.

[ckone]

as a long time Glock G17 proponent/disciple, IMHO the SR9 is the best new Glock money can buy (...now it just happens to have a smoother/crisper trigger, an honest to goodness thumb safety, a far better grip profile, adjustable sights, and just happens to say Ruger on the side...).

[Loosedhorse]

I like Glocks. Still, the OP made perfect sense to me: I can easily understand someone who likes a G21, once they try out a 1911, they find that the Glock just doesn't have the...

Wait. Re-read the OP. Ruger, huh?

Never mind. :)

[FMJMIKE]

Glock owners take the reliabilty of Glocks for granted. They actually start believing other handguns must be reliable too. Then they get bored how Glocks fire every time you pull the trigger. Then it happens....A "FRIEND" lets you shoot a Ruger and it is reliable for a mag or two....... Then you get a crazy idea. I will sell my Glock............Well......In the end...........When the Ruger starts having problems...............They will come home....to.....Glock.
:D

[Texas_Armory]

We are the Glock Collective...

Do not resist... You will be assimilated...

Seriously... I love my (Glocks, Walther P99s, Sig 220s, 1911s, Desert Eagles) and a host of others... I'm seriously looking at a Ruger SR9 for the "War Dept" (wife). My gun choice is my mood... I love the fact that I live in a country that currently allows me to own so many beautiful weapons and to pitch a fit to a congressman or rep. that wants my vote. God Bless the USA even if we're financially broke... I love this country!!!

[ckone]

Glock's are great, just bomb-proof, the high standard that any comers are compared to, it's foolish to deny that... that being said, for a pistol under the motto "perfection", perfect they are not. they feel thick and blocky, their trigger's are ok at best, the stock slide release is too small and flat, their stock sights are plastic, most wouldn't say they're a good looking gun, however mechanically, and what is happening internally, they work and work and work extremely well.
IMHO the Ruger SR9 has taken the design ergonomically, and maybe aesthetically, following a more 1911-like path to a place many Glock aficionados i think will really like. The Springfild XD and S&W M&P both good guns, both owing homage in a huge way to the Glock design, however until the post-recall SR9, there hasen't been a Glock-clone that might actually even be better.
remove their slides, put them side by side slide's and bases up, and compare the two... steel rails, near identical trigger group, component group based and simple, they say mimicery may be the highest form of flattery, the Ruger is related in a big way, like a handsome first cousin... judging by their similarities, if like you Glocks, you'll like the SR9. i have no doubts about the Ruger's potential to hang with the Glock in reliability. just my 2 cents.

[olyeller]

rugers; hah.

[ckone]

no not just ruger's, the steyr m9-a1 out glock's my glock's (G17, G19) also...

[C/O]

I have owned a G19, G17, and a G23. I never warmed up to them, just did not fit my hand well. The last one was sold to finance a Ruger SP101. I am much happier now. My next purchase will be a 1911.

[ckone]

if you can, handle an SR9 and of course, see if you can shoot one, the grip feel and how it fits my hand is far and away the reason why i'm so excited about the Ruger, and also the main reason why i'll be letting go of my Glock's, when i go from a comfortable in the hand feel back to the Glock's, they just feel so clunky, Glock fans like myself have been waiting for a better grip for years now, and it just hasn't changed... also, the control layout is based on and very 1911-like, in fact, i hope Ruger comes out with an even more 1911-like pistol in 5" .45 based on the SR9 design at some point, the lightness and recoil reducing properties of the polymer combined with the low bore axis would make one killer .45 and be great fun i bet.

[MinnMooney]

There is nothing wrong with glocks, just people who don't know there is life outside of owning one.


Exactly!

It's kinda like a Chevy fan who will only buy Chevies 'cause "ma daddy only bought Chevies".

There are many really great handguns out there and many have evolved beyond the block-glock.

[mpmarty]

It's really an interesting dichotomy folks who like Glocks seem to also lean towards AR-15s rather than AKs and that just seems counter-intuitive to me. Loose, sloppy chambers, durable to a fault, cheaply made, ergonomically challenged etc. make me feel that Glock is the AK of the pistol world. Mass produced, cheap, durable, dependable, just not all that refined, kinda rough around the edges.:confused:

[kcshooter]

Glock owners take the reliabilty of Glocks for granted.They also overestimate the reliability of Glocks and underestimate the reliability of other guns. Whenever a guy at the range asks why I'd shoot so many 1911's when they are so unreliable, it's always a Glock guy. Funny thing is, they never get to see a failure out of any of my 1911's.

I never understood why people come back with "yeah, but Glocks are so reliable." Hell, all my guns are reliable, or I would either fix them or sell them.

[Catherine]

I like Glocks and I like S&W, Ruger, Winchester, Browning, Marlin, etc. The Glock that I know about is the Model 19C - 9mm.

I never thought that because I owned a Glock that it was some kind of a 'god like' gun. I NEVER said that it was the best gun even if I never had a problem with it - some kind of cult religion. My late husband liked it too. My groom/husband loves all of his guns including Kimbers. Is one better than another one? Does one gal/guy prefer one over the other one? Most likely - yes.

I figured that any gun that I OWNED was ONLY as good as I SHOT IT and took care of it.

I love single action revolvers and lever action rifles too. I don't think that they are PERFECT nor do I think that GLOCK is perfect.

Apples and oranges - various types of guns.

I love Glock and never had a problem with it nor did I have one with any other gun that I own and/or previously owned.

If a person is happy with ANY gun, clean it, they can handle it easily and SHOOT IT WELL... great! I don't think it is a matter of 'converting' anyone to anything worse off a GUN. I don't think of guns as I do theology!

Catherine

[stevereno1]

If you're going to ditch Glocks... at least trade up! get a high end 1911, or a Hk, even a Sig and I'll understand it (a little), but to ditch glock pistols for a Ruger "p" series pistol just seems weird. Good Shoothing though1

[dsdanger]

Just a question: are members of THR allowed to like more than one gun manufacturer?

[Catherine]

Yes, we can like many brands and types of guns!

I do the above and did it long before I found this board.

Catherine

[Mike J]

I have a Ruger P-944 & while the ergonomics of it are probably not for everyone it is a good gun. I also have a XD-40 & which of the 2 I am most accurate with depends mostly on which one I have shot the most recently. I have never owned a Glock though I do believe they are good guns. While I have never owned a P-90 they have a reputation for accuracy.