[ldyates]

1911

No Thanks!!

[Corporal K]

1911, any brand.

Feel free to give me one for Christmas, though :)

[moonax]

A pink handled Lady Smith !

[totoro]

Berreta Neos,would not purchase because it just doesn't suit my taste.I guess the 20% of the people in the revolver section that said they carry a Taurus daily will be in a world of trouble if they ever have to use it:rolleyes:

[MICHAEL T]

Glock ,Taurus , Ruger pistols, New lock S&W or their poorly made PPK/S. SIG Davis .

[XD-40 Shooter]

Anything Loricin, Jennings, or Bryco, plus anything 25 caliber.

[ccsniper]

davis, jeminez, jennings, bryco or raven

[woodfiend]

Single shots, and High Points in any caliber.


+1 for that

[MP3Mogul]

Glock anything

The grip angle doesn't work for me

[hemiram]

Any 1911, I'm done with them, totally. Can't trust them with my life.
Any plastic gun, I don't understand the appeal of them at all. :barf: Most of them are very ugly, and the ones that aren't are nearly copies of the steel/Alum framed versions, so what's the point?
Any striker gun. Any I 've had have been turkeys.
Desert Eagle, too much money for too little fun. I will have a full size Baby Eagle someday though.

Any pink, green, orange, or other weirdly colored gun, that includes OD, "earth", etc. A gun should be black/blued/silver/grey.

[hhersh]

No Hi points, single shots or painted guns, and especially NO RUGERS....:fire:

[motorep]

AK's. Bad juju.

[Geezer Glide]

Any S&W revolver with the stupid lock

Any Springfield XD

[B J Elliott]

Taurus.....junk BJ

[biggiesmalls]

i will never buy a taurus. when you give a taurus to someone, you're saying "here, good luck."

[XD-40 Shooter]

LOL @ never buy an XD. You can add Glock to my never buy list.:neener:

[Friendly, Don't Fire!]

I'll stick with S&W!

Glock.

[Titan6]

Never say never again....

[Omaney]

I'll never buy another Kahr. The lack of reliability of the MK9 I owned has soured me forever. I am also surprised with the amount of posters that aren't drinking the GLOCK Kool-Aid. It's a good firearm but I don't like the ergos either.

[px4storm]

That's an easy question that takes no thought!

I'd never own a Glock :neener:

[moooose102]

there is a LOT of hate for particular firearms or brands here. if i didnt know better, i would think this was an "anti" site!
personally, i dont think i have ANY, NEVER BUY guns. you never know what life will throw your way, and you may have to eat crow and swallow your pride if you shoot your mouth off to much. there are some guns that i think are but ugly or peices of junk. but when push comes to shooting, you may just have to buy something you dont particularly like to get the job done. that does not mean you have to be joined at the hip for life, but, if you need to shoot, and the only thing available is xxx model of yyy brand, IMO, it would be better than going home with nothing.

[muddywatters]

Anything too cheap (you know who you are.)
Anything with a lock on it
Ruger semi autos, dig their revolvers though.

[altez]

1. 50 BMG - Because it's too expensive to shoot. :D

[RioShooter]

I also avoid 1911s. Just a personal preference as I could never get the hang of decocking one and the grip safety (although the one on my Lemon Squeezer is not a problem).

This comment leaves me confused. Why would you ever need to decock a 1911? I've had one for years and have never needed to decock it.

[FoMoGo]

I refuse to hate on a gun because of its price... however high or low it may be.
My carry pistols are...
Smith & Wesson N frame revolver... Model 21 Thunder Ranch .44 Special... GREAT finish, buttery smooth action, powerful, accurate.
Rock Island Arms 1911 Match in .45 ACP. Parkerized finish, tight, accurate, dependable.
My wife has a Taurus as one of her carry guns, a M445 .44 special 2" 5 shooter. The thing surprised the hell out of me with how it shoots. SA is great, DA is a little stiffer than I like but still smooth. But the kicker is its accuracy. For a competition shooter it is no great shakes... but it will pop a milk jug at 40 yards.

Maybe we got one of the rare good Taurii... but I doubt it.
Most of the people I know with them have good to say and recommend them.
I just refuse to buy or use guns that I have repeated bad experiences with... or know personally people who have had repeated bad experiences.
ALL mfgrs produce lemons... but it is the ones who make constant runs of garbage and/or cant/wont fix them that I wont buy... or at least buy that model.


Jim

[pith43]

+1 on this being a hate site.

Jeeez...lighten up just a touch. This thread by design is apt to be opinionated. I don't like the several polymer pistols out there, not because they dont perform, but because I tend to have a great appreciation for "old school" firearms. I just like the way they look and feel. But that doesn't mean I dont want to hear from my good friend about how great his Glock or his duty M&P is. Pissing contests are what makes life fun. Why take your Ford to a car show, if you can't argue whith the Chevy guys about who's is better?

( by the way everyone knows the 1911's are better:neener:)

( oh, yea, and Bryco's really do suck:cuss:)

[HexHead]

I hate to say "never" because that's a really long time and I might change my mind. I have in the past. :D

Now that said, it's highly unlikely I'd ever buy anything in .40 S&W again. Or .45 GAP just on principle. And I'm highly unlikely to buy anymore SS guns, especially revolvers.

[subknave]

I had two Taurus .40 S&W and liked them both but the one gun I will not buy is a Glock. Never found one I liked shooting. Otherwise it would probably be any Iver Johnson or a Mosin Nagant M44.

[Cuda]

Doesn't this mentality kind of reinforce the idea that something can be "the gun's fault" and not the fault of whoever is using it? I mean, I don't think that any gun just takes on evil qualities because of its operators. I'm willing to bet that captured M16s and M14s were used against American troops by the Viet Cong - surely you wouldn't disqualify them just for that?


So you're saying you cannot learn from and respect your enemies? While there is no respecting terrorists, there is no point in disrespecting common soldiers even if they serve a nation that is opposed to your own. They're all fighting for the same things you are.


You both have the right to your choices and so do I. As I said I won't buy a gun that was made with the sole purpose of killing American Soldiers.

I didn't say the foreign guns weren't good or effective just that I have no desire to own them.

C

[Rancho Relaxo]

1911, they're fine and all but way too overpriced.

[alaskanativeson]

I won't buy a cheap gun just because it's cheap. That's about it.
(I'm talking cheap like Jennings or Bryco - Taurus is inexpensive but I own 3 and they're all great revolvers.)

I had been nursing a Ruger aversion but since Bill died I've cut them some slack, in fact I own 3 Rugers now. If they (or any other manufacturer) did something to side against gun owners I'd damn well line up against them.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

You both have the right to your choices and so do I. As I said I won't buy a gun that was made with the sole purpose of killing American Soldiers.

I didn't say the foreign guns weren't good or effective just that I have no desire to own them.

C


And I won't buy assault weapons with shoulder things that go up, and that are designed to be sprayed from the hip at school children

[againstthagrane]

so many HK and glock haters. makes me glad. way more for me :D

[Golden Hound]

You both have the right to your choices and so do I. As I said I won't buy a gun that was made with the sole purpose of killing American Soldiers.

There's no such thing as a gun that was made for the sole purpose of killing American soldiers. Unless the gun in question was crafted by hand in an Al-Qaeda gunsmith workshop or something.

[Sav .250]

A Winchester 100! There ugly, heavy and shoot worse. :barf:

[moooose102]

nd I won't buy assault weapons with shoulder things that go up, and that are designed to be sprayed from the hip at school children
i dont think there was ever a gun that was DESIGNED to spray CHILDREN with bullets! there have been plenty that were designed to spray bullets from the hip, but i can not imagine that anyone has ever designed one for the purpose of killing children. this is the kind of talk that would come from an anti-gun person, or, the brady bunch.

[aka108]

Anything Ruger

[LIQUID SNAKE]

Single shots.
Over under shotguns "ever since I saw john kerry holding one" also they are snobby rich people guns.
Anything made by Colt. **** colt!!
Anything deemed suitable for "legitimate sporting purposes" **** sports!!
Anything anyone get to fanatical about recommending. Just to piss them off!!
Anything legal for sale in Kalifonia. **** Kalifonia!!
Anything I already know doesn't work.
Besides that the sky's the limit.

[dodge]

Any Colt revolver. Now their 1911's maybe as I never owned one so I can't comment on them. The revolver that I did owned was an Anaconda in 45 LC. I had troubles with the barrel turned so far to the left that I coouldn't sight it in, got that fixed then I could cock it and it wouldn't release the hammer when I pulled the trigger and it gave light hits on the primers often enough that I couldn't trust it to fire when the hammer could fall. Traded it in and got what I payed for it. The guy that took it needed it for his collection.

[qajaq59]

Any rifle that is semi auto.

[Jbabbler]

I would never buy an older Taurus (1980's). My dad had a Taurus .38 blow up in his hand when I was a kid and I have had a hard time trusting them ever again.

30.06 with a wood stock
I understand where you are coming from there. I have a 1944 Remington 03/A3 30.06 that kicks like a friggen mule. I put 20 rounds through it 2 weeks ago and can still see the bruise on my shoulder.

Kel tec
While doubtful at first, I actually grew to like my little P-11. I have had it since 1998 and carry it in my car. If something ever happened to it it wouldn't bother me. After 5000+ rounds w/o a problem I trust it and prefer it to a similarly sized 2" .38 revolver.

The trigger pull is hideous, the grip is too short for my hand and it is ugly as sin but it always goes "bang" when I pull the trigger.


Glock, XD, and all other striker-fired pistols.

If I can't see a hammer, I don't trust it.

Plus I hate DAO.


I agree with most of your post. However, one thing I like about the XD is that the striker sticks out from the back of the slide when it's cocked and that it is not a DAO like the Glock.

[ndh87]

Any Ruger.

[Golden Hound]

i dont think there was ever a gun that was DESIGNED to spray CHILDREN with bullets! there have been plenty that were designed to spray bullets from the hip, but i can not imagine that anyone has ever designed one for the purpose of killing children. this is the kind of talk that would come from an anti-gun person, or, the brady bunch.

That was pretty clearly a sarcastic comment. "Shoulder thing that goes up." Famous quote by anti-gun moron Carolyn McCarthy (referring to a barrel shroud.)

[Norinco982lover]

Any gun that cannot shoot (ie historical machine gun replicas or SA revolver replicas).

Any single shot firearm.

[theotherwaldo]

I refuse to say that I'll never buy a (put brand name or model number here). Every time that I've made such a statement, events have conspired to almost force me to buy exactly that thing.

[johnnyquest]

I'm pretty new to being a gun-nut so, unfortunately I can't really add anything productive to this thread, but I did have a question.

Looks like a lot of people don't like Ruger, but I can't tell is it because of quality etc type issues ? I saw several references to "Bill" and something about now that he's gone... guess I'm just wondering, is the dislike of Ruger cause of the products or 'cause of the company itself ?

I don't know much as far as the history of some of these companies, if anyone wants to shed some light for a n00b like me that would be cool.

Thanks !

[Golden Hound]

Bill Ruger supported the AWB and claimed that there is no need for anyone to have a magazine greater than five rounds. He was an archetypical "FUDD." Now that he is dead and gone, some people have been more willing to buy Rugers.

[MeanGreenZ71]

a Hi-Point or any other cheap gun.

[Mikee Loxxer]

A Ruger Mini 14

[qajaq59]

(I'm talking cheap like Jennings Ahhh, go ahead and buy a Jennings. Then you can feel like a complete a$$ the first time you fire it. And yeah I did, so I could stick in the boat bag for the sea kayak.

I will say this though. It's probably the best single shot semi-auto ever made. :banghead:

[Kryzen]

Almost Every Maker Have A Junk Gun,Its No Matter Of Maker,Some Guns Are Bad Since Has Been Built Or Models That Dont Work.The Junk I Think Are:

S&W Sigma Series.

[SsevenN]

I think it's pretty clear guys.

No brand is 100% reliable.*













......That's why all of you should turn in your guns to me, and defend your family's with rocks and sticks.:neener:




*except CZs :neener::neener:

[whited]

Never liked the Beretta 92, don't know why. I'm sure its a fine gun, but
not for me. Under normal circumstances, I would never buy one.

[Calhoun]

CETME- Made that mistake before.

[mpmarty]

AGGIES not the Texas Aggies, but Against Glocks Generally Including Eviscerated Series (45gap = evicerated 45acp)

[caseypj]

A Taurus, a Highpoint, or a Cooper.

[Dain Bramage]

I will never, EVER buy a 5.5" USFA Omni-potent in .45 Colt, with the bone case hardening, "A" factory engraving, blued accents, ivory grips, and my signature embossed in gold on the back strap. Ever.

Unless I win the lottery. :evil:

[Golden Hound]

I have never known anyone who ever had any complaints about a Smith and Wesson revolver.

[Doc_Jude]

I have never known anyone who ever had any complaints about a Smith and Wesson revolver.

I have, but funny: someone always seems to be there to snatch it up lickety split! I think it has more to do with personal preferences than anything else (for example: "I DON'T LIKE BIG BORE SNUBS... anymore. It hurts!")

[CSestp]

any autoloader pistol. I just don't KNOW how they work. So they scare me. A revolver just seems solid,safe, and relighable to me.

[Maksmith]

I bought a NIB Colt Defender at a gun show and no matter what ammo I ran through it it would jam. I sent it to the Colt factory twice and it still failed often. I now have a Glock 36 45ACP that I carry daily. It is accurate and has never let me down.

[DMW]

Looks like Beretta and Sig got through this thread so far with only a few negative criticisms. Just an observation.

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Edit: Deleted; Nevermind; just realized I already replied a few pages back.

But add Cooper and H.S. Precision products to the list of "never buy."

[Oddbod]

Not that I can actually BUY any kind of handgun but two I have a particular dislike for having fired them are the Taurus Titanium in .44 Mag & the Glock 30 in .45 ACP.

[biggun44mag]

Any middle-aged guys out there remember the Llama line of pistols and revolvers?
Worked in a gun shop for a few years..those Llamas were good but expensive boat anchors...

[chuckusaret]

The LCP

[05kas05]

man after reading this thread sounds like we would be better off with a baseball bat

[crazy-mp]

Glock
Hi Point
Pheonix arms
.50 cal
Black powder revolvers
Remington Nylon:barf:
500 S&W
.32 pocket pistol - smeday the .327 may sway me but it will take a while

[searcher451]

Tried a Taurus revolver; never again. :uhoh: Tried a Beretta Tomcat; never again. :fire: But you gotta try 'em before you know you'll never again buy 'em. :D

[shotgunjoel]

Guns that are all gold or otherwise just meant to be flashy. I like engravings like BBQ guns, but I hate all those Desert Eagles that are all gold and rubies.

[22lr]

Actually for me it would be a high end 1911. I might buy a low to mid range model but spending 2k on a gun is pointless to me, unless its an AR.

[22lr]

O ya id never buy a Glock for my own use. Id rather use a sigma

[Kentucky-roughrider]

Glocks

pos guns (RG's, Jenning, and several others)

AR 15 for several reasons.

I also refuse to buy a Chinise bought gun

[safenate]

I know it'll cause hate: 1911s (don't work for me) OR any Glock in 40 S&W (kaboom)

[WVMountainBoy]

hehe, I would not be popular in some folks heres circles. I have a rossi that I love and one of my carry guns is a Taurus PT1911. I also own a Glock. I also have a Hi-Point .40 None of the guns above have had any issues. Only gun I've ever owned that did have serious problems was a Ruger, which had its' purchase refunded. I've learned some of my weapons like certain ammo. I have a charles daly 1911 that doesn't do hollow points, a springfield GI that if you limp wrist at all gets very upset. I know these things are fixable, but they go to the charactor of the gun. The GI is a project so it will get stronger springs soon. The Daly is not a carry gun and was a gift so it sits in the safe. The hi-point...well its big, its heavy, it sure isn't pretty, but it goes bang every time and is accurate enough. I bought it because it was a desk drawer gun. No failures at all with well over 400 rds through it.

[ConstantineJ9]

Blank firing guns

[isitdeadyet]

Add to my list T/C encore or any single shot hunting rifle. Not for quality, just because I hate when people say it's all you need for hunting. Some would want that restriction aplied across all areas, so I will not encourage it.

[71Commander]

GLOCKS.:barf:

[Nanook]

While I don't really hate them, I don't believe I'd buy a Glock again. I formerly owned a Glock21, since I'm a .45 kind of guy.

I figured I'd give it a shot, so to speak. The pistol fed everything, except lead of course, and was very reliable. I just hated the way it felt in my hand. It just didn't fit my hand, it felt like I had a brick or 2x4 in my hand.

I traded it to a Glock fan, and bought a 1911. Much better fit for my hand.

As far as guns I wouldn't buy again for other reasons, that would have to be S & W semi-autos. I've been burned twice, and would rather not make it three times. I still own a S&W 645 which works fine now, after I had to have a new barrel put into it. Now I have more in it than it's worth, so it's going nowhere.

On the one hand, I like the fact that it's SS and DA. It has 8 round magazines, which is nice. And now it shoots pretty well.

On the other hand, it needed a new barrel, something that's never happened to me before with a handgun. Oh well, it doesn't eat much sitting there in the safe.

[Friendly, Don't Fire!]

Any gun that is manufactured mainly for use against our troops.

[Golden Hound]

Again there is no gun that is "manufactured" specifically for use against our troops. The people we are fighting right now are terrorists and insurgents who are armed with old weapons manufactured by the Soviet Union, which does not exist anymore, and which never went to war against us. The AK-47 was never manufactured for use against "our" troops. It was manufactured for use against whoever the Russians needed to fight at the time. That's pretty much true for any military rifle, isn't it?

[MRHDAD]

Hello to all. I am new to this sight. I recently came into posession of a shotgun The barrel of the gun is stamped with the date 12-20-18??. Hard to make out the last two digits. It has several other markings on it and I am trying to trace it's origin. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks.

[steelhead]

Glock or Deagle

[Enos Presley]

Quote:
I also avoid 1911s. Just a personal preference as I could never get the hang of decocking one and the grip safety (although the one on my Lemon Squeezer is not a problem).
This comment leaves me confused. Why would you ever need to decock a 1911? I've had one for years and have never needed to decock it.

It's that I have seen, many times, the trigger of a 1911 pulled on an "empty" chamber (that the person handling the gun claims to have just checked) with the mag removed, and the result being a hole in a wall, floor, or ceiling, but thankfully never a person. Decocking prevents this from happening. I also think carrying "cocked and locked" is IMHO, the acme of stupidity.

I simply do not trust 1911s. I have owned other single-action autoloading pistols (in the past, I am completely through with autoloaders) that I found to be safer (magazine safety), easier for me to use (no grip safety) and never had a negligent (no such things as gun accidents in my book) discharge because I was able to simply and effectively decock them.

[MountainPeak]

"Shiny" S&W revolvers. Sort of limits my options on new guns by Smith.

[LightningJoe]

The AK-47 was never manufactured for use against "our" troops.


It was supplied to Soviet client states, some of which did fight us. Not a good reason to reject it, though.

[steelhead]

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I also avoid 1911s. Just a personal preference as I could never get the hang of decocking one and the grip safety (although the one on my Lemon Squeezer is not a problem).

This comment leaves me confused. Why would you ever need to decock a 1911? I've had one for years and have never needed to decock it.

It's that I have seen, many times, the trigger of a 1911 pulled on an "empty" chamber (that the person handling the gun claims to have just checked) with the mag removed, and the result being a hole in a wall, floor, or ceiling, but thankfully never a person. Decocking prevents this from happening. I also think carrying "cocked and locked" is IMHO, the acme of stupidity.

I simply do not trust 1911s. I have owned other single-action autoloading pistols (in the past, I am completely through with autoloaders) that I found to be safer (magazine safety), easier for me to use (no grip safety) and never had a negligent (no such things as gun accidents in my book) discharge because I was able to simply and effectively decock them.


A man has got to know his limitations.

[chuckusaret]

My never buy is a Ruger LCP

quote:
Any 25cal or any Springfield xd ( they have had mine for over 1 year for warranty work, cracked slide)
I have a Springfield, XD9MM, XD40,and my favorite a 1911 45ACP Micro-Compact LWT, Novak Sights, Bi-Tone, 3 Inch
and never had a problem with any, all have at least 1500 to 2000 rounds thru them. My experience with SA has always been outstanding.

[.38 Special]

Not a good reason to reject it, though.

True. The good reasons:

A) If you're a grown-up.

B) If you like to hit your target.

C) If you realize that "Red Dawn" was just a movie.

D) If you're not a terrorist.

HTH!

[Bailey Guns]

It's that I have seen, many times, the trigger of a 1911 pulled on an "empty" chamber (that the person handling the gun claims to have just checked) with the mag removed, and the result being a hole in a wall, floor, or ceiling, but thankfully never a person.

This is somehow the gun's fault??? What ever happened to following established safety rules? And if you've seen this "many times"...dude...I'd find some different shooting buddies. I've been a firearms instructor in the military, LE and as a civilian for 20-ish years. Out of all those hours on the range I've personally "seen" a negligent discharge only a handful of times...I'd guess and say 10 or less.

Decocking prevents this from happening.

No, it doesn't. Not being stupid and/or incompetent with a gun prevents this from happening.

I also think carrying "cocked and locked" is IMHO, the acme of stupidity.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to post on the internet and remove all doubt." - (apologies to Abe Lincoln)

Nice work. How many millions of people, many of whom are probably much more competent with a handgun than you, did you just insult? That opinion must also explain why the design, in various models of guns, has been around for 100 years and is probably more popular now than ever.

I simply do not trust 1911s.

OK. Fair enough. You don't like or trust them. Got it.

I have owned other single-action autoloading pistols (in the past, I am completely through with autoloaders) that I found to be safer (magazine safety), easier for me to use (no grip safety) and never had a negligent (no such things as gun accidents in my book) discharge because I was able to simply and effectively decock them.

OK...so other auto designs work better for you. No objection there, either. But how is using a grip safety harder than using a gun without one? That's got me a little puzzled. So I'm assuming that you've resigned yourself to using double-action (or double-action only revolvers) in double-action mode only as far as handguns go in the future?

And what other single action auto-loaders have decockers? That question is just out of curiosity as I can't think of any except for maybe a CZ model or two.

Frankly, from what you've written, it sounds perfectly reasonable to me that you should never own a 1911 style pistol.

[230RN]

(1)
WVMountainBoy:

I have a charles daly 1911 that doesn't do hollow points, a springfield GI that if you limp wrist at all gets very upset. I know these things are fixable, but they go to the charactor of the gun. The GI is a project so it will get stronger springs soon.

Don't you mean "weaker" springs?

(2)
MRHDAD, New Member: Welcome!

(3)
I'll add to my list (H&R 949, see post 7) any handgun where the striker stays at full cock while you cart it around.

Terry, 230RN

[Bailey Guns]

Forgot to say during my last rant:

I'd be hard-pressed to say I'd "never" buy a particular gun. I've bought a few I'd never buy to keep personally but turned around and sold them for a profit to someone who just had to have it, couldn't afford something else, etc...

[Grampy]

This thread is helping me immensely so far as I am just getting into shooting and buying my first handguns.

So far I do not see any dislike for my first two choices------a .22lr to learn on, and then a 9mm for home defense:

.22---Buckmark
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=006B&cat_id=051&type_id=447

9mm---C-Z
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=28

Anyone have any dislike for these two?

[.38 Special]

Somebody up the line already bashed the 9mm in any gun, so that's out.

As for the .22, I don't think anyone's given the gun a hard time yet, but you should note that Aguila, Remington, Winchester, CCI, Lapua, Eley, Federal, RWS, Wolf, SK,and Fiocchi all suck. And also, any .22 ammo less than $5/50 is junk and any .22 ammo more than $5/50 is a ripoff. So if you can find anything that is exactly $5/50 and is not made by any of the above manufacturers, you should be okay. For now.

HTH!

[97guns]

anything with an action lock on it

[jdc1244]

So far I do not see any dislike for my first two choices------a .22lr to learn on, and then a 9mm for home defense:

.22---Buckmark
http://www.browning.com/products/cat...51&type_id=447

9mm---C-Z
http://www.cz-usa.com/product_detail.php?id=28

Anyone have any dislike for these two?

Those are excellent – and refreshing - choices for a new gun owner, well done and enjoy.

[North of 49th]

Wow... I think we have now established that at least someone hates every single model, make, or caliber ever made. You guys should slow down before you run out of stuff to hate:rolleyes:

[NotSoFast]

A 1911.
A 10-22.

There are better guns on the market that do the job for me. Aren't you glad we all have different preferences?

[salthouse]

I have a kel-tec and a Taurus revolver that have been flawless. My Ruger P90 on the other hand, a jam-o-matic.

Never will buy another Beretta Tomcat, stiff action, and it bit a number of people who shot it. I also could not hit anything with it (not the gun's fault). I would be hard pressed to by another Ruger based on my experience and some other's I've seen. Probably never buy an SKS, I just don't get the fascination with those.

[benderx4]

Keltec
Sigma
Glock
Ruger LCP
Para Warthog
Kahr PM-9

[treecarcass]

anything made in china
wore out a s+w .41 mag in 2 years
bought a taurus 5 years ago, got a 3 point this year.
.41 mag rules!

[Duke of Doubt]

Nothing more from FEG, thank you very much. I carried a FEG PMK380 concealed for years, and the damned mainspring was so strong, and the double action trigger pull so heavy, that I was basically the only one who could shoot the thing. I even developed this funky one-handed draw and hammer-cock with a round in chamber. Finally I'd had enough, and traded up to a Beretta 92FS for concealed carry. Bigger, but a lot easier.

I also got out of Taurus. Had a perfectly good 431, and a 94 I couldn't get to shoot accurately. Just no need to settle for less than a Smith or Colt. Traded the 431 even for a 1911-dated Colt Officer's Model Target .38 with 7.5 inch barrel and original grips, in fact.

Oh, no more Rugers for me after some of Bill Ruger's anti-gun screeds; even got rid of the 10/22.

[snakeman]

most likely a ruger centerfire rifle of any kind. I was ruined on them when my mark II went from 1" groups to 10" groups in a day.

[Enos Presley]

Bailey, I think you have read far, far too much into my OPINION of 1911-style guns.

I clearly blame irresponsible gun-handlers for negligent discharges. I simply stated that I personally found 1911-style guns difficult to decock and that I dislike the grip safety configuration. Another poster said they never, ever decocked their 1911, so I assume they store it cocked, which in addition to being just plain odd, would be overly taxing on the springs, I would think. A decocker or similar device is unnecessary if a handgun can be simply and effectively decocked via letting the hammer down with one's thumb, as with a single-action revolver (possibly the safest handgun one can own, and it has no safety mechanism whatsoever, outside of the half-cock notch on the hammer) and I find that the 1911's grip safety makes the gun difficult for me to decock in the normal fashion (easing the hammer down manually with the thumb).

In my opinion, there are safer and better designs than the 1911 and that is all I said. As for the "cocked and locked" issue, I would never, ever rely solely on the safety on ANY firearm, be it a 1911, a Marlin 60 or a Crosman Powermaster. They are mechanical. Mechanical things fail, it is a law of nature. I certainly would not trust my life or the lives of others to any firearms safety device or feature. Responsibility is far more reliable than any mechanism. Would you carry a single-action revolver cocked if it had a safety (like the Heritage Rough Rider)? After all, that would be cocked and locked, as well. Safe? I think not. I certainly do not carry my single-action revolvers in such a manner and never would.

Currently I do not own any autoloading pistols and do not plan on owning any others in the future as I have found revolvers to be far more reliable. And if you check back a ways on this thread, you will find many others that either do not like, or do not trust 1911-style weapons.

As far as insulting people, they need to grow a thicker skin if they feel insulted by my opinion. I called no one stupid, but stated that a particular course of action to be foolish in my opinion. You may feel that carrying a revolver is stupid, and I do not care as that is your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it.

Please remember what they say opinions are like . . .

[gglass]

Anything made by a Brazilian bull.

[SilentStalker]

Um, wow, is there anything left? You guys have made me not want to buy another firearm period.

[LT.Diver]

Taurus or Glock

[Old Navy]

I don't "hate" any gun. But there are several I would never buy.

Any "used" gun, unless I know the owner. I wouldn't buy a used car either, unless I know the owner.
Any Taurus
Any 1911, the reliable ones are too pricey
Ruger LCP,
Springfield XD(M), one was enough
any "saturday night special" cheap gun

I have Glocks, CZ's, Bersa's, a Ruger and like all of them, but If I was going to be stranded in a jungle, covered in mud, chased by an enemy, with no food or water, I'd choose the Glock, strictly because I think they are more durable than any others. Just google Glock torture test if in doubt.

[Bailey Guns]

Enos Presley wrote:
I called no one stupid, but stated that a particular course of action to be foolish in my opinion.

Sorry, Enos...I thought you meant that those who carried "cocked and locked" - as in a 1911 style pistol - had reached the zenith of stupidity when you wrote:

I also think carrying "cocked and locked" is IMHO, the acme of stupidity.

...whatever.

And if you think using the thumb of your shooting hand to decock a 1911 pistol is the proper and/or the only accepted way of doing it, well, then all I can say is you probably have no business carrying a 1911. Personally, I'd recommend grasping the gun with your strong hand with a shooting grip, finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard. Point the pistol in a safe direction. Grasp the hammer firmly between the thumb and index finger of your weak hand and pull the trigger while easing the hammer down with the thumb and index finger of your weak hand. Doing it your way makes manipulation of the grip safety, hammer and trigger very awkward and doesn't give you near the control of the gun as the two-handed method.

And by the way: leaving the hammer cocked isn't going to hurt the mainspring any more than leaving magazines loaded is going to hurt the magazine springs.

Seems to me Ruger lost a lawsuit over the safety features - or lack thereof - of their single action revolvers and have been offering a free modification ever since. I would argue your point that single action revolvers are the safest design. Most who've carried them in the past even made a habit of carrying the hammer down on an empty chamber for fear the gun would discharge if dropped or if the hammer were struck hard enough. Despite your contention that single action revolvers are "possibly the safest handgun one can own" and have no safety mechanisms other than a half-cock notch I'd have to say you don't know much about single action revolvers. Ever heard of a transfer bar safety? They're very common on revolvers, both single and double action. Personally, with few exceptions, I think most modern handguns - revolver or auto - are equally safe.

I never wrote that carrying a revolver for defense was stupid. Not even close. As a matter of fact, I have often carried revolvers for defense, even as a backup for many years as a cop.

Yeah...I know what they say about opinions. I also know some opinions are more informed than others.

[ConstitutionCowboy]

A 28 caliber carbon fiber pistol made in China.

I got a kick out of that in the "Dark Knight".

Woody

[Golden Hound]

How could a movie with such a HUGE budget - the epitome of a BIG production - screw up something like that? Are they really THAT ignorant of guns?

[KimKommando]

S&W. I had a Sigma, damn thing was a piece of crap. NO ONE could get the damn thing to shoot the target in the same spot twice. But it was a gift, so I kept it until I got re-married. Should have left that POS with my EX. A-Hole sold my SKS while I ws deployed without asking.

I would NEVER buy a High Point. Or a Kel-Tec, although I know folks who swear by them.

I would never buy a pocket pistol, either.

[Yoda]

Never buy a jennings. Just take my word for it.

- - - Yoda

[earplug]

Why deal with this issue

[Kevin108]

I doubt I'll ever buy anything SIG. Fat grips and fat prices is all I've seen. Beautiful, maybe, but to me a gun is a tool and reliability, much less, durability, comes much, much cheaper than a SIG.

[BernieD]

I can't think of a gun I would never buy. I have an H&K, I love it. Its jammed a couple times, but all in all its great. I like Glocks, I've had them jam too. Maybe I just have bad luck, but any semi-auto I've ever done a lot of shooting with has had some sort of malfunction. Including S&W, Taurus, Sig, Para, Springfield. Tap tap rack usually does the trick. I've never, personally, had a malfunction with a revolver. I'm sure I will as some point though.

To me it comes down to what is most comfortable for the individual shooter. I have yet to handle a gun that is 100% reliable. Just my personal experience.

[Archer]

It's that I have seen, many times, the trigger of a 1911 pulled on an "empty" chamber (that the person handling the gun claims to have just checked) with the mag removed, and the result being a hole in a wall, floor, or ceiling, but thankfully never a person.

Poor Enos... I feel sorry for you. Oh, the trauma. How fortunate for the rest of us that troll caves have such sturdy walls and ceilings able to stop such negligently discharged rounds.

By the way, how many IS "many times"? Just curious.

[exflatlander]

I just can't get into striker-fired handguns, all the manufacturers seem to be going this way but I want to see a hammer.

[DarkSoldier]

Enos Presley,

I've owned and carried 1911s for three decades going into a fourth and I have never de-cocked one with a round in the chamber. If I want to store it, I will safely and completely unload it, then lower the hammer on an empty chamber.

I carry cocked and locked and I forgive you for referring to the practice as "acme of stupidity". I simply put it down to what appears to be your lack of training and experience with the weapon system in question.

As to reliability of revolvers over semi autos all I can tell you is this: The only handgun malfunction I've experienced in my lifetime,that totally put the gun out of action was with my beloved S&W model 65 .357 revolver. A broken tiny spring locked the gun up solid as a rock. Trigger wouldn't pull, hammer wouldn't cock, cylinder wouldn't open. Gun had to go back to S&W. Any malfunction I've experienced with a semi auto pistol has been correctable on the spot and I was able to get the gun running again. That said, I love revolvers and that S&W M-65 is still on my list of guns I am willing to bet my life on.

I completely agree with your decision to leave the 1911 to others and stay with revolvers. They will serve you well.

Respectfully,

DarkSoldier

[SilentStalker]

So, what's wrong with 1911's again?

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

I can't figure out why anyone would EVER de-cock a 1911. It CAN be done safely, of course, two-handed, but WHY?

[bearmgc]

Magnum Research 44mag.

[Dwight45]

Boy you asked a good question. Here I am down on page 15. I won't buy any more Berettas. They make some nice weapons, but I don't like the way they treat their customers.

[smokemaker]

Never buy any single shot or double, bolt, pump, lever, straight pull, semi auto, revolving, muzzleloading anything in any caliber built by anyone ever!!!! All guns are junk!!!!!!!!! Now, what am I gonna do with all those guns of mine??

Seriously, I think all manufacturers have problems, be they engineering or QA. Everyone makes a klunker once in a while. Yep, some guns are junk right out of the box... my vote?? Norinco.

[Mainer2009]

well...I bought a used jennings model 9 once when I was younger...on a whim...and it was the worst pos I ever have fired, thats when it actually worked. I bought a couple hi points out of curiousity, a 9MM and a 45ACP, and they are like Caddilacs compared to the Jennings, and actually, the Hi Point pistols have worked flawlessly for me, nice shooting economy guns.

[jbkebert]

I know I may get some hate for this but a Glock or anything by DPMS. They are both good gun companies. I just have no interest in owning one except to turn a quick profit.

[WardenWolf]

Glock. They sit a bit too close to safe pressure limits for my comfort. In other words, I think they're underengineered even compared to many other polymer-framed guns. I'd rather have a gun where a minor ammo problem isn't likely to destroy it.

[GotCoffee]

Glock!

[wankerjake]

Another Llama
Another Taurus
Another Rossi
Hi-Point



Anything made by Ruger.


You guys are seriously missing the boat. Seriously.

[ThrottleJockey]

Chalk my vote for glock. Maybe to turn it for a quick profit, but only to someone I don't like.

[BhmBill]

I haven't ran across anything i'd NEVER own.

I had a Phoenix Arms HP22 with every extra part they made for them (both barrels, lock, extended grip mag, blah blah). You get what you pay for. Don't expect a $125 gun to work as well as a $750 one. It was fun, but it only wanted to work properly with super duper hyper high velocity .22 rounds. It started breaking and getting loose after a few hundred rounds.

I don't care for Glocks either. Absolutely hate the design, the feel, the looks. They're not fun to shoot.


I wholeheartedly have to disagree with alot of members choices... I have a 9mm Hi-point carbine (aftermarket stock... couldnt stand the factory stock) that's deadly accurate and the only time it had problems was using aftermarket mags. I had a Norinco Mak90 that was incredible and I only sold it out of necessity (my brother now has one of their knockoffs of the Rem 870 and it's every bit as good as my 870). I had a Taurus in .357/.38 that I really wish I had now, I guess I got one of the "good" ones, it was never anything but great. My Marlin 1895 Guide Gun in .45-70 was sold out of necessity and I miss it more than any other gun i've sold.

[tarugs]

Taurus PT145 - hit or miss (based on others claiming theirs work fine), unfortunately mine is a miss and it is a PITA brand new right of the the box (after cleaning packing grease of course).

[JB Books]

All the cheapies including:

Taurus
Rossi
Kahr
Kel Tec
NAA

I have owned a couple of Norinco .45 pistols that were great shooters.

[ACBMWM3]

I realize Taurus revolvers can sometimes be crap. But Ive owned several Taurus autos and have NEVER had an issue.
a 24/7 Pro is usually my choice for a daily carry.

[garyhan]

Any muzzle loader that looks like a modern gun.
Any handgun more powerful than .44 mag.
Pistol grip shotguns.

These are personal preferences only. No reflection on those who like them.

gary

[Mr White]

Anything made by:

Jennings
Bryco
Lorcin
Century

Other than that, I'm easy.

[Nero_Atrum]

davis, jeminez, jennings, bryco, raven or those hideous gold dersert eagles especially the tiger stripe one.

[Noboundaries]

I just skimmed this entire thread and I believe the only manufacturer I didn't see slammed was Browning. In fact it got praise for the .22 Buckmark.

I currently own guns by S&W, Taurus, Ruger, and on April 1st, Browning. The first three manufacturers all had "issues" that were easily fixed by something as easy as an ammo change (Ruger Mk 1), as simple as a gunsmith adjustment (S&W), or as annoying as a factory return for warranty work (Taurus). Time will tell if the Browning will have any issues or not. A Ruger .357 purchased last Fall is still being broken in. It may need to be returned to the factory for an adjustment.

I love all my guns. I won't count on flawless performance until I've identified and eliminated the flaws. Once that's happened, one gun is as good as another and they've performed flawlessly. I've never had a gun that couldn't be fixed, but I'm sure they exist.

Flaws that need fixing are the reason you need to own more than one gun. At least, that's the reason I give my wife.

[nitetrane98]

I was just going to add that Browning appears to be the clear winner, except the "any gun in 9mm".
My "never buys" are pretty brand neutral. No plastic and when I grip it my little finger has to be on frame, not mag extension.
I like Hi Power's, Challengers and 1911's for that reason.

[bessemerbob]

Remington 700 line,,,,, Overpriced for the gun your getting!

[ilbob]

Any smith and wesson revolver or any 30.06 with a wood stock.
I love my two 1903s. They are classics.

And who would not like a python? kind of the ultimate revolver.

[Gamera]

No Ruger Autos please!

[oldFred]

Kimber hands down. I would never buy one of those JAM-O-MATICS!

[NCsmitty]

I would never buy an AR or AK. Over priced and over rated.

NCsmitty

[MTMilitiaman]

Guns I will probably never buy:

AR15 of any sort in any configuration--I have no use or need for a rifle that feels and sounds like a pogo stick.

And for political reasons, I will never purchase or never purchase another:

Colt
Ruger
Smith and Wesson

And for as long as they continue to use and support HS Precision...

Remington
Savage

[Hostile Amish]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:5FoAHVVpfj3OEM:http://www.restlessadventurer.net/guns/keltec_p11/keltec_p11.jpg
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:5JXskUv21eSXFM:http://archives.starbulletin.com/98/07/30/news/cops/artk.gif
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:aeFdOLngM-u_0M:http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sig_Sp2340.jpg
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:KwDR1vlGsmOw8M:http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hs-xd-3.jpg

[jcwit]

I don't have a never buy list. If it goes bang and the price is right its mine. I've got everything from .22 & .25 Ravens to custome made rifles. There're all good.

Even have a Hoban rifle if anybody knows what that is without using google. LOL

I also wonder how some of the major makers stay in business when they are on a never buy list.

Even have one of the Kimber Custom (jam-o-matic) that never misses a beat, one of my favorites.

[Lewis130]

No Glocks. I refure to spend money on something when the designers haven't even made an attempt at aesthetics. The plastic aspect doesn't endear me to them either. Or the lack of a safety. Or their popularity with gangsters and mall ninjas. Or their dull meaningless names. Or their egotistical capital letter 'GLOCK' spelling. Or the goddamn brick like aesthetics. Give me a 1911 any day of the week.

[JonB]

Anything made by Ruger.:barf:

Never have owned and never will even consider anything Ruger. You can usually buy better, but not pay more.

[CoRoMo]

Mosin Nagant

[Duke of Doubt]

Glock.

[Lamb of Gun]

I would never buy a Mac-10, Tec-9, Desert Eagle or a Sig Mosquito

[Cannonball888]

I have a hard time getting myself to sell any gun no matter what it is, so my collection just keeps getting bigger. I've only sold two guns in 25 years. A shotgun scorched in a house fire and a .22 mag derringer.

[rdhood]

+1 on this being a hate site. People hate everything from some of the best inexpensive guns to some of the best expensive guns. Myths and innaccurate assumptions abound. The sheer volume of anti-Taurus posts makes me wonder if some people aren't here just to cause trouble. Check the polls of Taurus owners then look at some of the great brand names in this list. People seem to hate everything but some things it's like a club develops and the only requirement for membership is hate. There's Glock haters, SKS haters, H&K haters, Sig haters, Ruger haters, etc. etc. etc.. It seems like people here don't really even like guns because some of the things I saw listed are fabulous guns. People actually hate Savages! Why? Don't answer. I know it's a ridiculous reason because Savage makes some of the best firearms going.

I have things I dislike but I would never say never. I dislike Rugers but I saw one last week I'd love to have and believe me that's a rare thing. It was a true target grade pistol. 12 inch bull barrel, two pound pull trigger, great ergonomically and balanced like a dream. If it shoots anything like it looks it should be an excelleng pistol. I've shot a bunch of those so called target pistols they make and every one of them has been wildly innaccurate. But I'd be very surprised if this one is because of the design features. The main thing I have against the other Ruger target pistols is the trigger. I'll be shooting that bull barrel pistol sometime soon. A really good friend owns it.

I'll tell you what I really dislike. It's people with rotten attitudes about other people's stuff. And I saw a LOT of it in this thread. There are guns I think are vastly overrated but I don't hate them and I don't put down those who buy them. I just think they're misguided. Post something positive about a Taurus and see if everyone else holds true to that standard. They can't wait to jump down your throat.

I get the feeling people are looking for a reason to shoot at each other the way they act. Obviously I don't really think that. It just seems that way.

Sure some people report bad experiences with Taurus. But if you look people here have reported bad experiences with some of the great names too. One guy hated his Sig. Another hated H&K. Lots of people hate Glocks (probably because so many people are so arrogant about them).

Isn't there a gun board where people aren't about measuring up (and you know what I mean). A friend of mine is a mental health counselor. I get filtered info from him (no name specific stuff before you ask). You'd be shocked at how many people buy big trucks to compensate for being short in one way or another. I'd be shocked if the same thing didn't apply to guns. I think people need to learn that little song they did so well in the movie "Full Metal Jacket". I'm sure it's an army favorite. C'mon. Everyone sing along.

Oh C'mon, tell us how you feel! Seriously, after I reading the results of several thousand round matches, I came to the conclusion that most guns are incapable of 1000 consecutive shots without a malfunction. Thus, most everyone who swears that their gun (and by "their gun", I mean their gun, their magazines, their ammo and their shooting style) will go a thousand rounds perfectly is either lying or delusional. Now, there are some small number of guns out there that WILL go 1000+ rounds without a malfunction of any type, but the *vast majority* will not. Everyone is quick to slam on everyone else's gun... for what reason? OH... that it is unreliable and you can't trust your life to it. Hmm... but it is clear that nearly all guns are unreliable, which makes the vast majority of those who slam EITHER haters and liars OR delusional ! The poster of the above message (#276?) is right. While no one sees themselves this way, the numbers bear themselves out over and over again. If the best people with the best guns have a high rate of malfunction, then the average people with average guns should have a higher rate of failure, which gives no one room to slam on anyone else's gun because YOUR OWN GUN is, by your own definition, a "never buy gun"!

[earlthegoat2]

Sig Mosquito

[ThrottleJockey]

"most everyone who swears that their gun (and by "their gun", I mean their gun, their magazines, their ammo and their shooting style) will go a thousand rounds perfectly is either lying or delusional."

Well, I'm neither lying, nor delusional, and I'm telling you that my Beretta 90-Two has over 1500 rounds through it and not one hiccup yet. All WWB 100rnd boxes from wallyworld, Except for the one 50rnd box of blazer brass which I will never buy again. Blazer Brass didn't cause any malfunction, but is VERY dirty and seems to not burn completely and timely.

[Ichiro]

Agreed. I have 2 revolvers that needed some fixing. After fixing, they've each got about 4,500 rounds through them with no issue. I have a used Sig that has never hiccuped during my ownership (over 2,000 rounds).

So, here are three guns I will never buy again:
* Ruger GP-100
* Ruger SP-101
* Sig Sauer 226

Don't feel I'll ever need to.

[Clarence]

Thus, most everyone who swears that their gun (and by "their gun", I mean their gun, their magazines, their ammo and their shooting style) will go a thousand rounds perfectly is either lying or delusional.

I've got 2,250 rounds through my Ed Brown 1911 with absolutely NO malfunctions.

I"m not a liar or delusional, but I can count.

[skeet king]

Ummmm any Remington

I hate them I hate them I hate them!

[Carl]

Any firearm that's associated and worshipped in the gang/rap culture. Basically, AKs and Glocks.

[AllAmerican]

Glock

[Realbigo]

any modern Beretta pistol. I do for some reason want a 1934 .380

[TimM]

.25 auto

[chainsawmike]

I like what Carl said, and add anything fired sideways. Otherwise if it throws lead, and is "save your life reliable", what's to hate!

[easyrider6042004@yahoo.ca]

What's your "never buy" gun?

Never say never, but I'll say any tupperware gun.

If it was given to me, I will not refuse.

[Stevie-Ray]

I'll never buy Detonics.





Waiting for some schmuck to offer me one for cheap to prove that out

[jcwit]

Anything .25 Oh I think not, a Baby Browning in FINE condition for $100 or less well fit real nice in my collection. HeHe

Never say never, it to long a time frame

[servantofinari]

.50 AE Desert Eagle or anything bigger without a stock.

[desidog]

Anything you can't operate with either hand.

And Walthers. Never buy a gun that was made in a toy factory. My P22 hammer spring broke, i sent it back, the replacement is so weak it takes two strikes to ignite a cartridge... i don't have the energy to send it in AGAIN. Oh, and my G22 was a lemon from the getgo.

[Wesson Smith]

Kel-Tec, Hi-Point, Khar or a Mosin Nagant would be at the bottom of my list.

[notbubba]

I would never buy an AK or a SKS, I just don't like how they look.

Also any gun with gold trim.

[BENELLIMONTE]

Beretta Tomcat

[22LRFan]

A useless (useless to me anyway) one. I would never buy a firearm that I didn't think would be reliable or had some amount collector's value (an older firearm I think is cool).

[Knightrider03m]

Sig Sauer- Fugly looking guns that is overpriced
Glock- Even fuglyer than the sig that is way overrated.

[rdhood]

ThrottleJockey wrote:
Well, I'm neither lying, nor delusional, and I'm telling you that my Beretta 90-Two has over 1500 rounds through it and not one hiccup yet. All WWB 100rnd boxes from wallyworld, Except for the one 50rnd box of blazer brass which I will never buy again. Blazer Brass didn't cause any malfunction, but is VERY dirty and seems to not burn completely and timely.

Ichiro wrote:
Agreed. I have 2 revolvers that needed some fixing. After fixing, they've each got about 4,500 rounds through them with no issue. I have a used Sig that has never hiccuped during my ownership (over 2,000 rounds).

Clarence wrote:
I've got 2,250 rounds through my Ed Brown 1911 with absolutely NO malfunctions.

I"m not a liar or delusional, but I can count.

I wrote:

Now, there are some small number of guns out there that WILL go 1000+ rounds without a malfunction of any type, but the *vast majority* will not.

You see, I know there are guns that do it. In fact, the only way I would believe someone is if they had kept an actual count, and I believe you three. I would even submit that you are unique, and that most people have no objective idea about the trustworthiness of their gun. It is clear that most people believe their guns to be 100% without any objective proof. I would also submit that the reason your guns are 100% is as much because of you as it is the gun. Without proof, I submit that someone who is meticulous enough to keep track of consecutive rounds without malfunction is probably going to maintain their gun better, buy better parts, buy better mags, handle the gun better, etc. Certainly, most people don't get in 1000 round matches expecting a malfunction, yet it routinely happens.

I personally only keep track on an outing-by-outing basis. I look back and make a mental note of what went wrong and try to adjust before the next outing. I'm pretty sure, though, that none of my guns have never gone 1000 rounds without a mishap, and there is emperical evidence that most don't.

[swiftak]

anything that says Taurus on it.

[English Bob]

+1 on that sentiment!

[Dragk913]

Desert Eagle...and anything in 9mm :)

[dat2]

any kel tech

[New gun owner]

I am surprised to see Glock mentioned - I have never met someone who did not think their Glock was their most reliable weapon. I have a Glock 19 and have never had a jam or issue - as compared to my pals that have Sigs and Berettas

[dagger dog]

Gyro Jet, either rifle or handgun!

[BillyBA]

high point pistols - made a mistake and bought one because i had just enough to get it and didnt want to wait to save a few more bucks ?!?! I would rather throw the piece of sh** at someone than waste my time shooting it ? also i hate revolvers - not enough round capacity ?

[woad_yurt]

A Kimber or P22. I have friends who have had nightmares with each. I've shot them and the Kimber & P22 are jam monsters.

[cleardiddion]

Ruger 10/22's

Never will I buy another piece of junk like that again

[B J Elliott]

Keltec .380

[Grey_Mana]

Kinda makes you wonder what people are actually shooting, if they hate Armalite, Beretta, Browning, Glock, Hi point, Kel tec, Kimber, Mossberg, Remington, Ruger, Sig, S&W, Taurus...

Seems like people like garands, marlin, H&R, and Thompson?

[Zach S]

Super shorty. No real use for one, and the "cool factor" isn't high enough to justify the price to me. Which brings me to another one, PGO shotguns. Second rate handguns, second rate shotguns.

Anything bullpup. I fired a bullpup once, and realized that they dont work well for me. I pulled the trigger, and everything seemed to be moving in slow motion as the op rod came back and hit me in the face. It seems like I had enough time to say "Well, this is gonna hurt like hell," and I was right.

Even though I'm left handed, I dont see me getting LHed anything anytime soon. I've got so accustomed to guns designed for my wrong side that southpaw guns are just weird. LH stags, LH shotguns, even LH bolts, they're just weird...

Anything that has collector value. I use mine, some would say abuse (you have to clean them?), so if I got collector anything, I would just ruin the value. So I stay away from them so someone who will enjoy them can have the chance.

[PT1911]

:confused:so.... from this thread I have learned to never buy a lorcin, bryco, jennings, davis, colt, kimber, taurus, ruger, smith, glock, norinco, sks, ak, single shots, semi-auto rifles, ..... so, what can I buy?:confused:

Personally, I like my taurus guns, enjoy my ruger 10/22. walther p-22.

I am impressed with the taurus guns in comparison with smiths, rugers, springfields and other "big name" guns.

I do understand avoiding the jennings, bryco, lorcin...etc

[MR.LOKI]

I have owned or do own guns from Beretta, Ruger, Taurus, Walther, Marlin, Remington, Smith and Wesson, Sig, Browning.

The only bad gun I have owned was a Sig 220 and it was truly horrid.

I truly regret letting my S&W 5904 go.

[Pack]

There are brands that I haven't tried, or just don't like despite limited exposure to them. But I just love guns in general, and can't rule out needing or wanting any number of weird purchases.

The only thing I can say that I will NEVER buy is a 1911 that requires tools (whether the part that assists in capturing the recoil spring or a simple bushing wrench) to field-strip them.

The only 1911 that has NEVER jammed on me is my plain-as-can-be Colt 1991A1 stainless, with tolerances that allow the slide and frame to chatter and rattle if I shake it, but also work every time. To me, this is the point of the design.

HKs, Sigs, and other Euroguns are just as accurate as well put-together 1911s, and still come apart with the simple flick of a takedown lever.

[10-Ring]

Let's see....won't buy another Taurus :barf: shot an AMT back up once, I'll never buy one of those, one of the S&W snubbies in 500 mag :eek: -- should have been a single shot b/c you know after the 1st round, you'll be looking for a buyer (that is if you can see where it went after flying out of your hand after you shot it!), or any one of the cheapy guns from Lorcin, Raven et al.
I'm sure there are others I'm not remembering right now, but this is a good start

[Geezer Glide]

Kahr

XD's

Anything with an internal lock.

[ZO6Vettever]

Never say "never".

[Ned Kelly]

Raven .22, .25 and .380.

As well as any gun that falls into that class.

I had one that jammed a lot and I gave it to a friend cause I didn't want it anymore. He took it out to shoot one day and it went runaway on him. Emptied the magazine.

Which would be fun if it wasn't so illegal.

He destroyed the gun by cutting it in two.

[Prion]

I will never buy any firearm ever again. They are all too loud, calibers are all either too big or too small, they are too cheap or too expensive, too nice or not nice enough,the triggers are either da, sa, dao, creepy, too light, too heavy, they don't shoot sub-moa at 2 mile ranges, sometimes they jam or misfire, they require cleaning and care, ammo isn't plentiful, not colorful enough, made out of metal, wood, or plastic, some need tools some don't, most are either too small or too big, many are too small and too big, some are too shiny, some are too matte, some hold too many rounds, some too few, some only one, too many safeties, not enough safeties, safeties in the wrong place, they don't talk, my wife doesn't care for them, they don't make me better looking, my hair is still graying, I'm getting old, people still do stupid stuff, I can't fly when I carry and stop lights still turn red, women don't swoon when they see me, I still have bills to pay, etc etc etc. Everything you people say about these wonder tools is a lie, a lie I tell ya'!

[colorado_handgunner]

Taurus
S&W Semi Auto

[Kentucky Kernel]

This list is indeed interesting. While I love my 20+ year old Taurus PT99 9mm (17+1) with a beautiful satin nickel finish, I see that many others here hate all Tauruses. I bought this particular gun new and this was my first semi auto pistol purchase. Never a problem, very accurate. Perhaps quality has gone down with the need to continually develop new firearms and churn out as many copies of clones as possible?

As for Kimber, sure their 1911's have a great rep, but my particular Pro-CDP was a failure to feed nightmare. I don't think this means that Kimber as a whole stinks, but that now and then a lemon gets sold, and this turns off one individual. MY Kimber stinks, but I know that many other's have had good experiences.

I guess this boils down to the fact that we should not classify a manufacturer's entire line of guns based on individual single purchases.

But those Glocks are sure ugly!

:)

KK

[searcher451]

"Never say never" is pretty funny until you run into a gun that is clearly troubling. Somewhere along the line a couple of years back, I got the idea that a Taurus lightweight revolver in .38 special would be a perfect at-home self-defense gun for the wife. Bad idea, bad move, bad choice, lots of issues, not the least of which was a loose frame and an unreliable trigger. No mas no mas.

[Just Jim]

Smith&Wessons with locks and Taurus because of their customer service. Never ever.

jj

[JShirley]

Sigma
Intratec CAT-9
HK-91

[AirplaneDoc]

British - they never buiilt anything that works well for long
French - droped once never fired
China/Mexico/South America enough said



I pretty much stick to German and American Made.

[Koos Custodiet]

I am surprised to see Glock mentioned

I don't think I will ever buy a Glock. They're great guns, they work well, people swear by them, and I just don't like them.

OTOH I have more than just a thousand through my Taurus 66 and the only "malfunction" is light strikes on heavy (locally produced, cheap but notsogood) primers. And that has something to do with the Wolff spring kit, so it's my fault :-)

(I shoot IDPA with 38 special reloads, lead bullets, cheapest primers...)

[weisse52]

Smith&Wessons with locks and Taurus because of their customer service. Never ever.


Yeah, what he said....and then of course Glock..:neener:

[trickyrick]

all right!!! i let go all the negative things about jennings, kel tec, s&w. ruger, rem 700, iver johnson, rg, .25s, .32s, 9mm etc. but to say the british never built anything that lasts is pure crap. i have a bsa sht le III built in 1917 that will hold 1.5" groups at 100 yrd all day long (and has). i have an enfield no2 mk1 made in 1934 and with 38/200 (as close as i can get to that reloading) will still hit consistent 10s at 25 yrds. not to mention my1943 no 4, again 2" groups at 100 all day w/ iron sights.

side note. i had a bryco 9mm that was one of the most accurate, (in my hands), that iv'e owned, shot 1st mag every time w/ out problems as long as it was freshly cleaned. till it disintegrated!

[ChefJeff1]

Mosin nagant. I just don't get it. Adios and goodbye.

[Mags]

Anything in 40S&W I have had accuracy problems with my Glock 23 and don't even ask what was wrong with my traded in Taurus 24/7. If a 9mm can't penetrate it and a 45ACP can't knock it down I don't want to have to shoot at it. Also any Taurus gun that Taurus has designed themselves. The PT 1911 and PT 92 are actually good guns but I would't buy their revolvers and polymer guns. Also I would never buy a Sig just because they are the ugliest guns i have ver seen except for their 1911 series.

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

ITT: anti-logic and fear mongering.


Hey guys, what's the difference between someone who won't buy a gun they don't actually know anything about and someone who thinks all guns should be banned?

[DagoRed]

Plastic guns

[PAPACHUCK]

I have but one name to offer, Standard Arms of Nevada.

I had a SA-9 that completely fell to pieces in less than 200 rds.

Other than that, for the right price, and if it goes bang, I just might buy one.

[AKElroy]

Jennings, raven,hi point, and worst of all.....sigma.

[Kayback]

I'm suprised to see Glock on the list. And so much hate for them as well. I think some people might have misunderstood what they were buying when they bought one. They were buying cheap, mass produced, lowest common denominator guns. I picked up my 26 because it was cheaper than the competition and money was an issue, it was light for daily CCW, it could take big mags if needed just incase the 13 on board didn't do the job and it is more accurate than I am, as is just about every gun on the planet.

Same with the Norinco. My first weapon was a Nork 1911. 10 years later this weapon has 30 000 rounds down it, and all it's suffered is 2 snapped slide stops and a broken barrel link. The first slide stop was an original Norinco, the second was a no named slide stop. It has had an STI 2011 slide stop in it for the last 4 years, IIRC.

The only non stock parts are mostly cosmetic. Extended Chip McCormak trigger, PT night sights, Ed Brown flat MSH, the STI slide stop and a set of Crimson Trace grips. Everything else is stock.

My "never buy" list is fairly short. Pistol Gripped Shotguns. Unless I can stick a stock on it.

KBK

[MovedWest]

Nothing polymer. I can't wrap my confidence around a plastic gun.
No .32, .38, or .41 calibers.

Ruger wheel guns are my first pick.

-MW

[mesinge2]

Any Byrco, aka Jennings, aka jimenez, aka Lorcin, aka Raven. Cheap jamm-o-matic's

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=440289

[shaggy430]

AR15 or Mosin Nagant

Don't understand the hype.

[mdThanatos]

Glock(I dislike them)
Any AR variant(I don't dislike them, but I don't want one)
Barretts(too damn expensive and I don't see the need)

[redneck2]

Don't understand the hype.
Neither did I until I bought one. My son-in-law (Army Ranger) shot these groups at 268 yards (lasered) with my rifle and hand loads. Bushie Varminter, 6.5x20x40 Leupold VX-III
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Indianaoutdoorsman/Gunpix-1.jpg

[DammitBoy]

Glocks - just don't want anything to do with them.

[shaggy430]

Neither did I until I bought one. My son-in-law (Army Ranger) shot these groups at 268 yards (lasered) with my rifle and hand loads. Bushie Varminter, 6.5x20x40 Leupold VX-III

I have a $250 .243 bolt action that will do the same thing. And I am 100% certain it will never jam.

[pharmer]

I guess a Perazzi or a Krieghoff. There's nothing I can miss better with a $10K shotgun that I can miss just as well with a $500 model. Joe

[Isher]

Ya know, I just went through this entire thread

And as far as I can tell nobody

Has put a CZ on their never-again list!

Pretty much everyone else is.

Hmmm, wonder why?


isher

[BamaBob]

new guy here, but great question I would have to think on this one because i would enjoy hte chance to shoot anything once but buying is a diffrent thing

P.S. I have a question but not sure if this is the thread to ask it. It seems close enough so here it goes. My brother inlaw wants to buy handgun for home defense. He is not a very experienced handgunner. I suggested a .357. He could load .38 if needed and he wont drop the clip trying to take the safty off. Any suggestions of should I take this to another thread? Sorry But I need my hand held while I get the hang of this posting thing.

[Grey_Mana]

OK, so I got curious and went looking for the webpage for Raven and lorcin.

I found http://bryco-jennings-jimenezarms.com/ and a bunch of dead links.

Then I found http://www.homesteadfirearms.com/
Is it 'official'? Who knows? Looking at one product in particular,
http://homesteadfirearms.com/cart2/pid_397.htm , I laughed when I saw the manual costs extra. This would be a fun site to report to ABT - easy bust if you could get them to ship the gun without the manual.

[Kayback]

The CZ was on one of the first pages.

KBK

[Oyeboten]

...well, de Taws 'fo-fi' is ( be ) one...( I'd never own...)

[Wesson Smith]

Hehe. Someone mentioned the AMT Backup. I bought one for what was my GF at the time. Worst gun ever. Jammed every 3rd or 4th round. I decided it wasn't even worth trying to have it fixed, or send it back. Ugh.

[Mike Honcho]

Anything by Kahr Arms. I don't know about their quality, but I do know they were founded by Kook Jin Moon. This guy is the son of that other Korean Moon who thinks he's the second coming of Christ. Whatever.

Also anything Chinese

Or a zip gun off of a day laborer in New Mexico, just asking for trouble.

[Expertowgunner]

I dont view guns the way most do i guess, a gun is merely a tool, and i consider myself the weapon. As long as im comfortable with the gun, have had a good amount of time behind it, is RELIABLE, and shoots good enough for a defense situation then it is a quality gun in my book. While i do like the looks of a fine @$$ 1911 or some custom gun, i will not take the looks of a gun into a decision of me using it to defend myself (lot of folks out there say that a ak looks ugly but she is a ugly beauty to me and the one gun i want when the shtf) and btw im a HUGE 1911 fan but ive shot sigs, glocks, h&Ks, xds, M&Ps, and others that i might have failed to mention and all do what they need to do WORK AND SHOOT AND IF THE OCCASION SHOULD EVER PRESENT ITSELF KILL. be it a a cheapo moisin nagant or a sks to a savage police tactical model or rra ar, i can kill if need be with any just some have certain advantages ;)

[I_AM_LEGEND]

I'm loving all the Glock bashing, don't buy any glocks, lets let the prices come down so I can pick up another...

[wyohome]

I have bought 3 new weapons with problems.
In the mid 60s I bought a Savage Fox BS-E 12 gauge shotgun. The ejectors didn't work. Took it to a gunsmith and they still don't work. I don't use it and hadn't even thought about it for years.
S&W J-Frame 38 Special. Sometimes failed to fire. Seemed to have a weak hammer strike. Sent back to factory, returned to me a couple of months later in same condition. I had a friend fix it for a new 'Shooter's Bible' that year.
Kimber 84M Longmaster Classic .308. I fired this rifle 12 times, 3 cartridges had to be removed with the help of a cleaning rod. 2 others were pretty tight. Scuffing on head of case indicates a headspace problem, there is also a groove in the brass and a ring near the shoulder. Same conditions with my handloads, Federal, and Winchester ammo. Status: Still in Cody at the Kimber dealer, going over there today to see what he found. I could call, but being in a gun store makes the world right for me.

[.455_Hunter]

British - they never built anything that works well for long

My Webley/Enfield revolvers and Lee-Enfield rifles would have to disagree with you...

[spudster]

Mike Honcho - Didn't know that about Kahr.

Thank you.

Wikipedia check verifies that.

[DFox]

HiPoint anything

[CountGlockula]

Handguns: Deagles, S&W 1911A1s and Hks.

Rifles: .22lrs

[ohioshooter]

I'll NEVER buy anything single shot and nor will I buy anything two tone

[kilo729]

a 1911, or a Remington 870.

[Taurus_9mm]

Kimber as well as any of the high-end $$1911s$$.

[Glockman30]

Kel Tec

[Lamb of Gun]

Desert Eagle (deagle) ha
Mac 10 or 11
any 1911 over 1000 dollars
Tec-9
single-shot shotguns
muzzleloaders
pump action .22's
S&W 500
Sig Mosquito
Walther P22
a pistol grip for a rifle/shotgun
mini-14 (dont hate em but... why buy one?)
a .22 conversion kit
a glock (dont hate em, but theyre overpriced imo)
any detachable mag over 20 rds.

Hey! What's with all the Hi-Point bashing? They're cheap, made right in Ohio and gauranteed for life! If you treat them like any other gun they will perform like any other gun. The only thing they have against them is that they're ugly as sin and bulky. But that's OK to me because I appreciate the quirkyness. It's like a dog that's so ugly it's cute (english bulldog)

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

LOL, why the 20> mags, lamb?

[jimorat]

Charter Arms

I bought one for my wife. The 1st had a late firing pin. We sent it back and they send us a different one. But this one, inside the barrel, shows were the pin that holds the barrel on has deformed the rifling. If Charter Arms can't drill and ream a hole in location, don't count on them in saving your life.

[zinzan]

Glock
Taurus
Anything made in China ( I can say that, I lived there for 2 years)
hi-point pistols, as the carbine doesn't look bad with a different stock

[CoRoMo]

Select fire Mk14 Mod 0 EBR

Not that I wouldn't just love to have one. I'd sell all my vehicles and mortgage my house for the money, but the gov says I can't, so I won't.:(

[SniperStraz]

SA Revolvers
Jennings (and the like)
Single shot shotguns
OU Shotguns
DB Shotguns
Anything is .25 or .32
FiveSeveN
ANy 1911 over $700
BP Anything

I'm sure there are more but I wouldn't say no to having any of them if someone wanted to give one to me. I just wouldn't buy them.

[Wyo_F-A]

ANY pistol over $600...until my income supercedes $100k/yr.
Then again, what pistol would I want to buy at that price point anyways?

[AmEngRifles]

I LOVE this thread! Good for a laugh and a little fun. But someone actually mentioned the Rem 870!!! How can ANYONE not LOVE the 870. I am talking Wingmaster here, never owned one of the frumpy, parkerized, econo models. And if you want an auto, then of course you would not like the 870, but to actually bash it!? How RUDE!

Only gun I really recall hating was the 60's era Marlin model 60. Or was that Glenfield? Probably same thing, right? My alzhiemer's is setting in. Never, ever, ever, disassemble the trigger group. You will then need 2 mechanical engineers and a pack of monkies to put that damn thing back together. Best advice, buy that Glenfield, load one tubes worth of .22s, shoot it, then put it up for sale cheap and consider yourself lucky that some sucker will pay you ANYTHING for it!

[GotCoffee]

Im going to add another one to my list.

Any 17 HMR! These guns are not worth the money when its windy and the price of the non-reloadable ammo is outrageous!

[Pun1sher]

Hi points. I dont even care about how they shoot or how cheap they are, they're just so damn ugly i wouldn't dare be seen with one of them.

[wickedsprint]

Anything made by SIG Arms.
My Sig P220 ST is the most expensive unreliable, inaccurate, piece of crap ever made.
Their customer service is the worst in the industry.

I gotta chime in here, I had a wonderful customer service experience with sig, I dorked up the grips on my Mosquito while off the gun and they sent me some new ones pretty quickly, at no charge. It's things like that that make me want to be a repeat customer.


Back on topic, I'll never buy anything else with a key lock.

[Justice5]

The worst handgun I ever bought was a Kahr PM 40. However, one of the best guns I ever bought was a Kahr MK40. The PM version simply failed to feed after every 3-4 shots, even after a new recoil spring and the feed ramp being polished. I may have had a lemon, but I heard similar stories with the PM40. The PM9 and PM45 got great reviews though.

[tju1973]

I wil lnever say I will "never" buy a gun, BUT I probably will never buy any Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez/Lorcin/etc. I owned a Jennings and 2 Jimenez 22s (J22 and JA22)..Sold them to a guy for $350 alltogether..I didn't sugar coat the listing, in fact, the amount was his idea. They COULD work, but their history preceeded them-- never more than an occasional plinker-- Had a Raven and sold it, and I regret it-- probably fired 1000+ with only having to replace the firing pin (once)-- sure the accuracy sucked, but what do you expect froma $50 gun?

Pricey guns-- probably wil lnever buy a Deagle or a Sig,don't like the HKs-- nothing reflects their function, just I don't like them...