Remington 700 VSF or Police


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Boris Barowski
October 4, 2008, 11:21 AM
Hi everyone,

In short: I am planning to buy a new bolt action rifle to shoot at distances ranging from 100-400, and one day 600 meters.
For this I have chosen a rifle in .308 Winchester

Based on availability and price, I have selected the Remington 700.
Given the caliber etc I have narrowed it down to 2 different models: The VSF and Police.

They are about the same price (1100 euro +/- 50 euro), and I cannot decide between them.

So I'm asking for your input: What are the differences in finish, accuracy, workmanship, modifiability, ...

If based on looks alone, I'd choose the VSF :)

Thanks for your help,
Boris Barowski

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avmech
October 4, 2008, 11:27 AM
For what it's worth, I have a 700VSF in .308. It shoots .5 MOA with 168 grain Federal Gold Match

Ridgerunner665
October 4, 2008, 11:31 AM
They both use the EXACT same action and barrel..there may be differences in the finishes (and prices), I can't remember without looking

If I were you I'd look into the SPS Tactical in 308....I have one and its great, it shoots .3 MOA @ 300 yards with my loads, and I'm sure it will keep it up to at least 800 yards but I have not had it long enough to do it yet (deer season and work is keeping me busy right now). It is also on the same action and barrel as the others you mentioned...I got mine for $580 off Gunbroker.

robsc
October 4, 2008, 11:40 AM
CZ 550 Kevlar with the best glass that you can find and don`t look back. Because no Remington has a trigger this good in a out of the box rifle.
But if you get the Reminton 700 Police be sure it has POLICE stamped on the barrel. These were made with better accurizing than the newer box labeled Rem 700 Police rifles without the POLICE stamped barrel. But again the 700s without POLICE stamped barrel could be the same. Remington could have discontiued dtamping the barrel with POLICE.

Hornady 168 grain Amax, Rem. brass, 42 grains Winchester 748
(so many, short of money, short of time)

Ridgerunner665
October 4, 2008, 11:46 AM
BTW...I believe the 700P (Police) has the better stock. I know for a fact its better than the SPS Tactical stock...not sure about the VSF.

The 700P uses a stock that does not require any bedding of the action...and its still a VERY accurate rifle. Simple is good...

killzone
October 4, 2008, 12:24 PM
700P all the way. Mine is chambered for the mighty 300 RUM. I've been shooting out to 1000yrd with it for a while and I love it. It is simple, cool looking and IMHO, well balanced.

Boris Barowski
October 4, 2008, 01:00 PM
thanks for all the input already! :)

@the CZ550: yes, I thought about that too when I saw it on the CZ-USA website;
however, where I live (Belgium) we have to make do with what's on the CZUB website (link) (http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=3&ids=10&lang=en)
And they don't have the Kevlar version.

Does anyone have an idea what the engineering differences are between a VSF and police ?
or is it just a fluted barrel and tan stock?
Both the VSF and P have a full length aluminum bedding, but are they the same ?

Yes, I might be over analyzing this choice, but it's my first decent longer-range rifle and as a student (20yo) I'm on a budget and want to get it right the first time :)

hags
October 4, 2008, 02:02 PM
Tikka T3 Varmint or Super Varmint. More bang for the buck, literally.

DRYHUMOR
October 4, 2008, 03:04 PM
I think the difference in the stocks may be a palm swell on the police and a little different diminsions on the VSF.

I just sold a police that would group 5 rounds .5 moa at 100 yds. 168 grain match.

I think either way you would be happy. Keep the box though if you buy the police, without the barrel marking, the box would be the only indicator that it was a police model.

I have not had any experience with Remingtons new trigger, I've heard both good and bad. You may want to consider an aftermarket trigger at some time.

plinky
October 4, 2008, 03:19 PM
I can't speak for either rifle you are looking at. I have a 700 SPS Varmint .308 and the stock certainly needs reworked or replaced so I think you are smart to look at the better models. In the economical line, the SPS Tactical with Hogue stock should be a good step up but I'd rather have the longer barrel.

On a side note, make sure you have a good supply of brass. Midway seems to be totally out of .308 brass as is Wally World and my LGS. I would have never believed it. :eek:

Boris Barowski
October 6, 2008, 11:09 AM
I'll have to look for a new caliber

They just banned .308 Win at my local long-range club because there are "too much ricochets" etc

I don't get it. It may be temporary, but I don't count on it.

.300 RUM etc is still allowed btw. Where's the logic?

jbech123
October 6, 2008, 08:06 PM
They just banned .308 Win at my local long-range club because there are "too much ricochets" etc

I don't get it. It may be temporary, but I don't count on it.

.300 RUM etc is still allowed btw. Where's the logic?

I can't see any logic in that. I don't pretend to be an expert on ricochet's, but I'd think bullet construction and the angle the bullet hits the target would be the major factors, along with what your target actually is. It makes me think if there is a ricochet problem at all that you guys are shooting some type of metal target?

speed_demon_freak
October 10, 2008, 04:32 PM
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taliv
October 10, 2008, 04:34 PM
I'll have to look for a new caliber

They just banned .308 Win at my local long-range club because there are "too much ricochets" etc

I don't get it. It may be temporary, but I don't count on it.

.300 RUM etc is still allowed btw. Where's the logic?

no idea, but if they ever give you an explanation, i'd love to hear it

atblis
October 10, 2008, 09:40 PM
Might have something to do with surplus ammo.

ANDROTAZ
October 10, 2008, 09:53 PM
Speed Demon - what kind of rifle and scope is that?

mbdolfin
October 10, 2008, 10:11 PM
i have a remington pss police model .308 with 26" barrel. i really hate the palm swells on it.
if i could do it over again....i would get the VSF. it is the same rifle as the police model.... just the stocks are different. both have the aluminum bedding block. both will shoot .5 moa out of the box with good glass on them.
just thought i would share my .02

atblis
October 10, 2008, 11:13 PM
Didn't a few of the Police models have 5R rifling?

Ridgerunner665
October 10, 2008, 11:42 PM
Didn't a few of the Police models have 5R rifling?

The 5R's are model on their own...and a little pricey too.

Bartkowski
October 11, 2008, 12:03 AM
The 5R's are model on their own...and a little pricey too.

Not if you keep your eyes out. I have seen one for $850 with cheap bases, rifle basix trigger, hard case, and the old x-mark trigger. It was used, but only 100 shots fired. Considering the 700P models go for $875 new that isn't pricey in comparison.

Ridgerunner665
October 11, 2008, 12:14 AM
I see...most I have seen go for about $1,050...but I agree, deals can be found if a person just has patience to look and wait.

Bartkowski
October 11, 2008, 12:16 AM
You are right though, they usually are more expensive. New ones go for about $900-$1050 depending on where you look.

chriso
October 11, 2008, 12:26 AM
I would go with the police hands down. A friend of mines gun shop got a whole crap load of the 5r remingtons. Said he would give me one for 900 new but I passed it up all the guys at the shop chopped their barrels down to about 20 or so and put em in AICS stocks and boy can those rifles shoot.

speed_demon_freak
October 11, 2008, 12:36 AM
Speed Demon - what kind of rifle and scope is that?


Its a Tasco super sniper scope. A buddy recommended it. I've had the rifle for a while now and I've ony put about 4 rounds threw it.

Ridgerunner665
October 11, 2008, 12:39 AM
Oops...I meant to answer that question about your scope but forgot (on too many forums at once).

Those Super Snipers are great scopes for the money...is it 10x or 16x?

speed_demon_freak
October 11, 2008, 03:25 PM
I believe its a 10X. I dont remember which one I bought.

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