What is the BEST 22lr Rifle out there?


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deerhunter61
October 5, 2008, 10:47 AM
I was wanting to get some feedback on 22lr rifles. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT TARGET 22lr RIFLES. I am looking for hunting 22lr.

Example:

Weatherby
Remington
Browning
CZ
Savage
Ruger

Please include Bolt vs Auto.

What are the best 50 yard/100 yard groups you get with your 22lr?

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Javelin
October 5, 2008, 10:54 AM
GSG-5 is not on your list. I would recommend an SBR and maybe later you can throw a suppressor on it. They are so much fun.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6252/gsg51gy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6587/gsg54suppressorfs2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8486/gsg53suppressoram3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

;)

jaholder1971
October 5, 2008, 10:57 AM
The Savage Mk2's are the buy for the money right now. While mine's the Mk2 FVT (heavy barreled target rifle) the standard versions will give incredible accuracy.

az_imuth
October 5, 2008, 11:28 AM
There are several sporter type rifles still being manufactured out there that are very well made and plenty accurate for hunting small game. I have a first year (1984) Ruger 77/22 that is very accurate, has an exceptional trigger and still comes in blued steel with a nice walnut stock. They also come in stainless/synthetic if that is your preference.
I can also reccommend any of the pre-war Mauser sporting rifles if you want a full-size rifle of a quality no longer found. The older Winchester 75 Sporters are very nice, especially if you can snag a later model with a grooved receiver.
However, without a price range the list is endless, as there are so many great rimfires that have been produced over the years.

MIL-DOT
October 5, 2008, 11:28 AM
The CZ 452's (bolt) have quite the rabid following, I recently got one from Budsgunshop for $366 delivered.
But I'm just as impressed with my (semi-auto) stainless Marlin 60 I got locally for $219.
If I could back get what I have in the CZ and scope, I'd do it in a hearbeat, and just keep the Marlin.

ieszu
October 5, 2008, 11:36 AM
Since you said "Best" and not "best for the value" you can always get a high-end Anshutz.

But for the money, I actually prefer a Ruger 10/22 or CZ 452... both can shoot better than I can, and the Ruger can be upgraded with better barrels/bolts/stocks as my skills go up.

Oh, and I do know people who hunt with their Anshutz's....

Shawnee
October 5, 2008, 11:37 AM
Bolt-action - Browning

Semi-auto - Browning

:cool:

TCB in TN
October 5, 2008, 11:38 AM
Marlin 39A.

txdude321
October 5, 2008, 11:51 AM
i like my savage and my ruger, dont underestimate the savage bolt actions they are really accurate

Javelin
October 5, 2008, 11:54 AM
Since you said "Best" and not "best for the value" you can always get a high-end Anshutz.

But for the money, I actually prefer a Ruger 10/22 or CZ 452... both can shoot better than I can, and the Ruger can be upgraded with better barrels/bolts/stocks as my skills go up.

Oh, and I do know people who hunt with their Anshutz's....


Anschutz are the absolute best bolt action .22lr rifles. I have a 1913 supermatch though I would not recommend anyone hunting with one...... CZ and Savage both make a great rifle. And 10/22 is the economical repeater.

OP: Are you really deadset on a .22LR? The .17HMR is really economical for what it offers and the rifle is no more expensive. I did not realize just how much the cost of quality .22LR has gone up vs. the current price of quality .17HMR (I think the HMR might even be a tad less expensive too). Try a look here as this topic is all these guys talk about.

http://www.rimfirecentral.com

Good Luck!

:)

t george
October 5, 2008, 11:56 AM
i like my belgium browning semi auto... its just a fun gun as for goups i donno but i know that the rabbits dont like it when i have it in my hands

mainmech48
October 5, 2008, 11:56 AM
Define what "best" means to you. Lacking any sort of objective criteria to consider, the term is entirely subjective and the all the answers you get will be equally valid.

krs
October 5, 2008, 12:16 PM
Cooper Arms probably, but I like my Marlin 39's, and the venerable Ruger 10-22.

Kimber makes nice .22 rifles but stay away from any Kimber rifle with an "Ebony foreend tip" because it'll be a cheap plastic sleeve.

Best hunting .22 for the money has got to be the CZ rifles. There's one of those that keeps catching my eye.

Meowhead
October 5, 2008, 12:23 PM
What does 'best' mean?

Since for me it would mean good price, semiautomatic, large-capacity magazines and a ton of accessories/customizing options, I'm going to go with Ruger 10/22.

theNoid
October 5, 2008, 12:50 PM
Welps, it depends on you and your needs. Shoot, according to the way I see it, my sons cheap $99 Mossberg Plinkster 702 is one of the best for hunting, it shoots minute of pDog pretty much every time you pull the trigger if you do your part. We were the first out in these parts to pick one up, now three other families have one and it is their most shot rifle.

Now of course there "better" guns out there, but for what...and how have we decided they are better? I mean if a gun is being used to shoot pDogs and jack rabbits and it does just that, can there be a "better" or "best".

Personally, I like the looks and feel of my Browning BL22 with long octagon barrel, it shoot s MOpD as well.

Now my Ruger 10/22 with Raptor stock and Green Mountain barrel is super comfy, looks schweeet and guess what....it kill pDogs just as good as the last two mentioned.

My dad's 39a feels like a real centerfire gun and is just as reliable as any mentioned, and it kills small game all the time.

My buds old beater truck gun, a Springfield single shot does it's designed part as long as the shooter does as well.

My wife's bone stock 10/22 is plenty accurate out of the box to kill most anything you intend to as long as you do your part.

I guess what it boils down to is that most, if not all of the models available today are accurate enough to do the job of "hunting" with as long as you do your job. So what it boils down to is what appeals to your eyes, and what feels best in your hands. If we stack 50 22lr guns up against each other and they all kill the rodent we are shooting at, does one of them kill it "best"...naw....one shot one kill is easy enough with pretty much any rifle on the market anymore as long as you like it, are comfy with it, and practice with it.

Just my thoughts...

Noidster

I would also add that no matter what best rifle you buy....you will then need to find the best ammunition for it. 22lr can be really picky when it comes to ammo for sure so good luck, pick a gun YOU like, buy a crap load of different ammo, and have fun...yeah most important...HAVE FUN!!!

orvpark
October 5, 2008, 01:08 PM
stainless model 60 marlin

shotgun12321
October 5, 2008, 01:14 PM
I got a 10/22 which is pretty accurate, considering I haven't really modded up any of the performance stuff. Just added a stock, scope, extended mag release (the factory one is terrible) and a 25 round clip :D

XD-40 Shooter
October 5, 2008, 01:24 PM
I'd say the Ruger 10/22, with the vast array of aftermarket upgrades available for it, you can't go wrong.

In a bolt gun, I'd go with the Savage, they seem to be sweet shooters.

Chilean
October 5, 2008, 01:28 PM
The best...Anschutz

pick a 64 action (ie 1416) sporter if you don´t want to expend a LOT of money in a 54 action, and still is a hell of a rifle...

atblis
October 5, 2008, 01:31 PM
If I needed a bolt gun for squirrels/rabbits, I wouldn't hesitate to go guy a CZ.

If I had more money than sense, I'd get an Anschutz.

I have a Ruger 77/22 VBZ. It is okay, but I wouldn't buy another.

Coal Dragger
October 5, 2008, 01:47 PM
I like my Kimber Model 82 (no longer in production as this was made by the original Kimber of Oregon).

Of course that is a heavy barreled prone target rifle.

Anschutz is hard to beat in anything they make, and lately I have had a real hankering to buy a Weatherby XXII which is an Anschutz barreled action in a fairly nice stock.

I expect groups at 50 yds with match ammo to be under 1/2 inch with a good .22LR when I can do my part. Most of the time they will group even better than that. The last five round, 50yd group I shot with the Kimber running Lapua Midas measured .366 inches center to center. This was shot prone with a sling. From a good solid bench rest (unlike the back of my Pickup, and my elbows and sling) I am confident it could have been even better.

rangerruck
October 5, 2008, 01:51 PM
savage or Marlin, none of the rest. Why? because the others are all too expensive, and too beautiful. you can get a used savage or marlin for under 100 bucks. if you get a marlin mod 80 or 81, starting from 1937, until any made today, a 981t, they are bolts that shoot short, long, and long rifle. plus they have synth stocks, if you dont like synth stocks, marlins are easily replaced with laminate or wood stocks, that you don't mind beating up.
Plus their accuracy will be better than any of these other mentioned. and you don't have to limit yourself to the 981, you can go with a mod 60, 75, 75c, 99, 99m1, 989, all for old, and if you can find a 7000, 795 , 2000, 880, or 880 sq, you will have both in bolts, and semis', some of the most accurate 22's you will ever touch.
all mod 60's deserve to bought used, at a pawn shop or gunshop, for 100 bucks or less.
The savage 64, beside the marlin mod 60, is the next best entry level 22 semi auto out there, and it is mag fed, with a heavy duty mag.
the savage mkII , can be very accurate, especially when you are talking heavy bbl and laminate stock, also some of the most accurate 22's you will ever touch.

rangerruck
October 5, 2008, 01:53 PM
now then, a cooper, will guarantee you sub moa groups at 100 yds, and anschutz is... well... anschutz. and they are hunting rifles, and their accuracy is the best in the world, it is what olympic shooters use, just these are put into hunting type stocks. but you will pay much for them.
a kimber is also up there, and then a little less is a Thompson/Center.
Out of your list, the only one I would take would be CZ.

9mmepiphany
October 5, 2008, 01:59 PM
for hunting and style i'd get a Anschtuz 1710 (i have a 1712 because i wanted the rollover cheek piece w/o open sights) which is about as good as it's going to get without going semi-custom (Cooper)

as a great value for the money i have a CZ 452 American (i'm a scope kinda guy) that i got for less than $300

the Weatherby is a nice compromise. it has an outstanding stock/wood together with the cheaper Anschutz action

dagger dog
October 5, 2008, 02:50 PM
Cooper makes a rimfire called the Jackson Squirrel rifle excellent quality in a semi custom rifle, can be had in a no nonsense matt finish with oil rubbed stock all the way up to a fine blue and fancy claro walnut.

HGUNHNTR
October 5, 2008, 02:53 PM
Cooper

Coal Dragger
October 5, 2008, 02:54 PM
That Weahterby really has me thinking, even though it is not an Anschutz match action, the barrel will still be first rate and even the Anschutz sporter actions are better than most others I can think of.

sarduy
October 5, 2008, 03:17 PM
Savage ;) specially the Mark II

georgeky
October 5, 2008, 05:03 PM
Plain and simple. The Marlin 39A. The 22 rifle by which all other sporting .22 rifles are judged.

JustRick
October 5, 2008, 05:08 PM
I loved the Marlin I had when I was a lad (just a while ago), but if there's a nicer .22 than an Anschütz, I don't know what it would be. Even I shoot them well.

http://www.anschutz-sporters.com/bild.php5?id=4674&maxwidth=600

Geno
October 5, 2008, 05:18 PM
deerhunter61:

The most accurate and fun hunting weight .22LR I have (and unbelievably accurate) is my Savage Mark II. Using a Sweet22 scope at set at 9X, and target ammo, it groups 8 of 10 shots into a 0.75" X 0.75" clutser, with the remaining 2 shots opening the clutser up to about 1.5" by 0.75". I suspect that I am the cause of the fliers...not the rifle. For a standard weight hunting rifle, that cost me about $150.00, that's going to be difficult to beat. :)

I have tested my Marlin 39A at 100 yards yet.

Doc2005

9mmepiphany
October 5, 2008, 05:35 PM
I loved the Marlin I had when I was a lad (just a while ago), but if there's a nicer .22 than an Anschütz, I don't know what it would be. Even I shoot them well.

that is the M-64 action...the same as used in the Weatherby

FMJMIKE
October 5, 2008, 08:36 PM
What's the BEST ice cream ???? No such thing........It is all personal opinion. Buy what you can afford and have fun.
:D

maconcop
October 5, 2008, 08:48 PM
I have an excellent Anschutz 1415-1416 with which I used to shoot smallbore sillhouette competitions. I have been extremely pleased with it but I don't have any recent targets to give you range specs. Whichever rifle you settle on make sure you try different ammo types. It really can make a big difference in your accuracy.

As much as I love my Anschutz, I must agree with an earlier poster that the Savage (especially with the AccuTrigger) is an incredible gun. It definitely competes with guns in higher price brackets. I worked in a gun shop for three years before becoming a cop, and the only complaint I EVER heard about the Savage rifles was that a small handful of people didn't like the feel of the stock. If I didn't already have my Anschutz I would definitely by a Savage.

Marlin 45 carbine
October 5, 2008, 09:28 PM
AMT 'Small Game Hunter' heavy bbl. if you can find one. a 10/22 on steroids.
no irons, scope only. regularly get crows at 100 yds and over that if the wind is kind to me.
Marlins are great too. and Brownings (but pricey).

Drue
October 5, 2008, 10:07 PM
9mmepiphany hit the nail on the head!

The best there is would be the Anschutz 1710/1712, unless you can find a Winchester 52c Sporter. The best value for money is the CZ 452/453, they are quite fine rifles. I've tried most of them and, IMHO, these are the best,

Drue

Olympus
October 5, 2008, 10:43 PM
Go to www.rimfirecentral.com

I had the same question not too long ago. There are all kinds of resources on that site. It all depends on the price range you'll want to be in. I think Anschutz and Cooper are set the standard, but not many people want to spend or can spend $1000+.

I from the research I've done, the CZ 452 is the probably the best buy for the money if you're looking for the one with the most accuracy. I was fence sitting between the Savage MKII or the CZ 452. I handled both and afterwards had made up my mind. The Savage didn't have near as pretty stock and the action felt a lot cheaper than the CZ.

DPStx
October 5, 2008, 11:09 PM
Winchester 52, in production for about 60years, always top of the heap. My sporterized 1920 custom has produced the occasional 1/4" group at 100yds, 3/8" more common.....

Jubjub
October 5, 2008, 11:20 PM
Most of the .22 hunting that I do is for squirrels. A lot of times, you can be in sight of more than one at a time, so an autoloader is nice to keep movement between shots to a minimum, and subsonic ammo doesn't scare everything in the woods. A short gun is a lot handier in the woods, and light weight is a good thing, too. So this is what I came up with:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k169/obviousfakename/light1022b.jpg

It weighs an ounce under six pounds with scope, sling and magazine, about like a stock 10/22, and it's even shorter. Slung muzzle down, it's out of the way and doesn't snag on stuff in the woods. The trigger pull is 2 pounds, and from the bench it will put Eley subsonic hollow points into a third of an inch at 50 yards. The daily limit on squirrels around here is six, and this thing has come home a couple of times with a perfect six for six record.

Of course, it's kind of ugly and stumpy. It would still be kind of ugly in a nice walnut stock. Due to the Bentz chamber, it won't extract an unfired round of a lot of kinds of ammo, including what I hunt with. It also won't shoot the first hand chambered round to the same point of impact as the rounds cycled by firing. So the routine is, load a magazine, chamber a round, and fire one into the ground before going into the woods. Then drop the magazine and fire the chambered round into the ground to clear the thing after coming out. Kind of a nuisance.

So it's not the best, but it's the best that I've come up with so far for what I do. You can set up a 10/22 for just about any purpose, and they are as much fun to build as they are to shoot.

kolob10
October 5, 2008, 11:20 PM
My most accurate (sub moa @ 100 yards) is an old Remington 541S. My Ruger 10/22 with heavy aftermarket barrel will shoot moa @ 100 yards. My Ruger 77/22 SS will shoot 1 3/4" @ 100 yards. My Thompson Contender carbine (match grade 16") will shoot 1 1/4" @ 100 yards. I like em all. They all have their place. I shouldn't forget my old Marlin model 39 which is my favorite with open sights. It is minute of squirrel @ 50 yards. Good shooting

Geno
October 5, 2008, 11:53 PM
Olympus:

How did I never hear of www.rimfirecentral.com before?!?! Holy moly! Well, thanks to you, I have. Just registered under the same name.

Thank-you!!!

Doc2005

Birdhunter1
October 5, 2008, 11:59 PM
I'm a fan of my Marlin 925. 22" barrel, laminated stock, 1 1/4 lbs trigger and a Sightron S1 3-9X40MD. 5 shot groups at 25 yards I can get 3/8", 100 yards I have shot a 5 shot group of 1.439" and at 150 yards I can get a 3 shot 2 1/4". CCI mini mag 36 grain hp's are my ammo of choice for it.

Took a crow out with one shot at 134 yards.

Dookie
October 6, 2008, 12:02 AM
I have a Ruger 77/17HM2 with the tapered target barrel and walnut stock, and am in love, while not as nice as the Annie or Cooper, it is a very nice rifle to shoot, has great pointing, very accurate, and with the Rifle Basix trigger it has a better trigger than my Savage with accutrigger. And super cheap ammunition. Less than decent 22LR and 1/3 the cost of HMR, HMR being a total ripoff.
I have shot and owned the Savage MKII and while it is a better shooting rifle, in 22LR not HM2, it is not as nice to carry and shoot with.

DeadCalm
October 6, 2008, 12:02 AM
Anschutz guns are superb. I've shot a couple and they are well-made and accurate. I REALLY dislike the plastic knob they're putting on the bolt handles of some new models. They must've resurrected a Winchester exec from 1963 to dream up that one. I've got a Brno (Cold War version of the CZ452) with a Leupold 4x .22 scope that's a solid shooter, but only marginally more so than my father's Win. M69 (c.1935). I've shot mountains of small game with these rifles and never felt either lacking in performance.

However, I did just go totally nuts and should have a Cooper Western Classic .22 LR in hand next week. Cooper guarantees 1/4" groups at 50 yards with premium target ammo. The Anschutz could be comparable, but I don't see them advertised as such. From what I've read here and especially at rimfirecentral.com those are about the best over-the-counter rimfires you can get. Some might argue for the Kimber, but it seems to mostly run a close third after those two others. Good luck.

deerhunter61
October 6, 2008, 12:02 AM
I want to thank everyone for your recommendations. For those who have recommended the high priced 22lrs such as Anschultz...DANG! I do not even pay that much for my deer rifles...so I have a very hard time even considering paying that much for a 22lr.

I would love to shoot one though to see what I could do with it...who knows...maybe if I did I would reconsider...

Has anyone bought a 22lr from CMP? Was it a good buy? Would you buy another one from them? Was it accurate?

Thanks,

rugbyer81
October 6, 2008, 12:41 AM
My Marlin 60 was $140 and it is accurate enough with the standard irons to hit anything I would seriously consider shooting with it. I've only put maybe 500 rounds through it but so far it has functioned flawlessly. I also use it as my squirrel rifle.

Coal Dragger
October 6, 2008, 12:44 AM
I bought my Kimber Model 82 Govt' through the CMP. It is very accurate, with match ammo at 50yds it can put rounds in the same hole if I can do my part.

I would buy it again in a heartbeat, and I would also not blink about buying a higher priced .22LR. Eventually I am going to have to buy an Anschutz match rifle. I used to shoot them in college, and they are amazing. Amazing.

9mmepiphany
October 6, 2008, 01:00 AM
DANG! I do not even pay that much for my deer rifles...
i wouldn't pay that much for a deer rifle either...well, OK, i would for a Cooper...but it is alot easier to spend that much for a good .22lr

you will easily run 10 times as many rounds through the RF as you would through a CF rifle...if not thousands...why would you not spend 3-5 times as much on the RF rifle

maconcop
October 6, 2008, 10:44 AM
9mmepiphany makes an excellant point on the costs vs. amount of use. As much as I love my rimfires I never much thought about the number of rounds I put through the rimfires vs. the centerfires.

Luis Leon
October 6, 2008, 11:32 AM
Of those listed my CZ452 American with a 4x-12x 40mm scope atop has accounted for many, many woodchucks, rabbits and squirrels. It is my favorite hunting rig.

best regards,

Luis Leon

IndianaBoy
October 6, 2008, 12:09 PM
In my experience hunting small game with a rimfire:


There is no better small game rifle than a CZ 452.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/gnieman/Lunch_Point.jpg


They are fine on the range too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/gnieman/lux029_small_dist.jpg

Geno
October 6, 2008, 12:18 PM
deerhunter61:

I have a CMP Kimber Gov't Model 82. It is dead-on accurate! I didn't suggest it because you wanted a hunting rifle, not a target rifle. The 82s are heeavy...10ish pounds w/o a scope. It is a great rifle and I recommend it.

Doc2005

cinteal
October 6, 2008, 05:14 PM
Bolt Guns

1. Any Anshutz (yes, you can hunt with them)
2. Any Cooper
3. Remington 541/CZ 453 American
4. CZ 452 American
5. Kimber 82
6. Kimber 22
6. Browning T-bolt
7. Ruger 77/22
8. Savage MkII

Alright, my squirrell rifle (this year) is my CZ 452 Lux with my new Burris 4-12 compact. Yesterday was the Burris' first outing . . . exceptional. I don't hunt with Anshutz and Cooper only because I can't afford them (I have shot both, however). Anshutz is the standard . . . period. I think technology and demand now has brought other manufacturers into the running as far as accuracy and function, Cooper especially. If it weren't for the reputation, I would list Cooper over Anshutz . . . everybody knows Anshutz but coopers are pretty. If it weren't for the slightly lesser quality trigger on the CZ 452, there would be a 3-way tie for #3. Savages are nice. I get great groups out of my BTV but it just will not feed some hollowpoints . . . what I hunt with (I would rather mess up part of a squirrell than wound one and it get away, plus if you accurately headshoot, who cares . . . unless you eat heads).

Autos

1. Browning Buckmark Rifle
2. Browning Auto 22
3. Marlin Nylon 66
4. Ruger 10/22

Short list, but these are the ones I have shot/owned. I have the varmint/target barrel on my Buckmark. It's short, pistol gripped, just ballances really well. It has been my eary fall rifle for about 5 years, now.

As far as Bolt vs. Auto . . . I've swithched to bolts for accuracy. However, take out the Nylon 66 and Browning Auto, the autos' short stature makes them easily manueverable in the woods . . . more so than most bolt guns. The ruger sometimes gets a bad rap, but I've taken many squirrells with my 10/22. Horrible trigger and the trigger makes all the difference when bearing down on a squirrell's head at 40 yards.

anyway . . .

ctgmi
October 6, 2008, 06:02 PM
“Best” is a subjective word but here are my favorites.

1, CZ 452
2, Marlin 39a
3, Winchester 63
4, Remington 66

All the rest of the .22 in the safe usually are borrowed out by someone who needs a rifle for the day of if someone wants’ to try one out.
If it’s any indication I’m on the market for another CZ452 FS with a nice piece of wood.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 6, 2008, 06:29 PM
I want to thank everyone for your recommendations. For those who have recommended the high priced 22lrs such as Anschultz...DANG! I do not even pay that much for my deer rifles...so I have a very hard time even considering paying that much for a 22lr.

Well, you did ask for the "BEST" (allcaps in original), not the "best within price range [x]". and Cooper and Anschutz are definitely the right answer to the question asked. The only way to get the answer you seek is to ask the right question. So what's the question? I.E. What's the budget?

Tacbandit
October 6, 2008, 06:45 PM
Get a Ruger 10-22...Great gun,inexpensive, fun, accurate, light...and a gazillion accessories available...good luck....:)

deerhunter61
October 6, 2008, 06:53 PM
Anshutz and Cooper I thought were target 22's? I am looking for hunting 22's.

I know some folks hunt with these but I doubt I would and I also doubt most would.

So I am looking for something I thought I already said in the $500 range.

Based on info provided it sounds like for the money the CZs are the best, most accurate for the lowest cost?

Thanks,

tube_ee
October 6, 2008, 07:03 PM
The Biathlon Basic.

My dad's got one, it's by far the most accurate rifle, regardless of caliber, that I've ever shot. Not that I've shot any really high-end stuff, but I've got trigger time on a number of high-quality sporting rifles, and many built-out 10/22s.

And the toggle-bolt action is really, really neat.

Accuracy for dollar, I don't think you can beat 'em.

MSRP $329 from Centerfire Systems (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/SAI-22LR.aspx)

Also available in 22 WMR if you want more whomp-um.

--Shannon

22-rimfire
October 6, 2008, 07:36 PM
Don't ignore the Savage Mark II. IF you saw one with a walnut stock (the classic version), it may just turn your eye. One of the strong merits for the CZ for me is the adult feel, walnut stock, fairly good trigger, and fairly heavy action. The Savage comes close in all these counts with the exception of the beefy bolt.

I'm hoping they find a way to chamber one of them in the 5mm by shot show time.

9mmepiphany
October 6, 2008, 09:01 PM
Anshutz and Cooper I thought were target 22's? I am looking for hunting 22's.

I know some folks hunt with these but I doubt I would and I also doubt most would
while Anschutz does make the definative target rifle, their sporters really are designed to be field guns. my FFL tells me that the 1400 series is very popular with his customers who are looking for a "meat gun"...i believe they hunt squirrels and such

my understanding is that Coopers have always been field rifles

if you would rather have the best shooter "for the price", i think the best i've handled is the Romanian M-69. i got mine for about $59 at Big 5 awile back and i still think you can find them for about $150

JImbothefiveth
October 6, 2008, 09:05 PM
Come on, how could you not want to take this out in to the woods?
http://www.championshooters.com/images/ansguns/2013big.jpg

:D

Or this: http://www.championshooters.com/images/ansguns/1827-Fortner.JPG

But seriously, the 10/22 may be worth considering, but you'll probably have to accurize it.
Also do some research on the Marlin 795, I hear it's pretty accurate.

Heck
October 6, 2008, 10:03 PM
I have killed a bajillion squirells, rabbits, and coons with my remington speedmaster 552 BDL. Accruate enough, never jammed, and a great looking rifle.

Squeaky Duck
October 6, 2008, 10:11 PM
I have a Remington Nylon 66 that has always been accurate and reliable for most of the things I expect from it. Of course I have used this same rifle since I was a kid so I know how it shoots and many of its limitations which is important using any firearm.

This thread started with ask what is the "BEST" 22LR rifle. Best is relative as all the differing opinions clearly show here and there are a lot of different types of 22LR ammo too. To me, best rifle would be something durable, consistent & accurate, easy to maintain and reliable. The next question is going to be the best 22LR ammo itself, but that is going to depend on what you are hunting...

In short, "BEST" in in the eye and hand of the beholder in this case. So I would suggest pick a rifle that fits you well and practice-practice-practice!!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 6, 2008, 11:22 PM
while Anschutz does make the definative target rifle, their sporters really are designed to be field guns. my FFL tells me that the 1400 series is very popular with his customers who are looking for a "meat gun"...i believe they hunt squirrels and such

my understanding is that Coopers have always been field rifles

Bingo! - I fully understood that you wanted a field rifle, as you mentioned. But as the man said, there are hunting/field rifles from these two makers.

As a "second-tier"/lower-budget choice ($300-$500 range), I'd also echo the CZ 452 and the Ishmash Biathlon Basic. You simply cannot go wrong with a CZ 452 of some flavor.

The Tula/Toz 78 rifle is a real budget gun, around $200, and is supposed to shoot quite well. The Winchester Wildcat is a re-packaged Toz 78 with nicer stock and much higher price tag.

Kimber makes a high-end rimfire up there in price range with Cooper and Anschutz as well. I don't know if they're as good as their prices would indicate - I don't see stories of their legendary accuracy abounding as I do with Cooper and Anschutz. Remington has a high-end rimfire (504), as does Browning (T-bolt), but I don't know how good these are, either.

If you want a real high-quality semi-auto, rather than a turnbolt or toggle-bolt, then look at the T/C "R-55" rifle.

atblis
October 11, 2008, 03:33 PM
Come on, how could you not want to take this out in to the woods?
I don't know if you're completely kidding or not, but you do realize that Anschutz makes sporting rifles, right?

http://www.championshooters.com/images/ansguns/1710d.jpg

Reid73
November 6, 2008, 07:03 PM
There is no better small game rifle than a CZ 452.+1. Cheaper and nicer than a Ruger 77/22 (I own the latter :uhoh:). Love that 24.8" barrel and schnabel forearm.

For those who have recommended the high priced 22lrs such as Anschultz...DANG! I do not even pay that much for my deer rifles...so I have a very hard time even considering paying that much for a 22lr.And a K-22 revolver costs more than many 9 mm self-loading pistols.

If you are like most shooters, you will use the .22 a lot more than any deer rifle.

It's silly to economize on something like this. Buy quality, only cry once.

ralpho1
November 6, 2008, 07:14 PM
without question Marlin 39a. Even though I happen to have a 1964 model, I can unbiasedly say, it has no peer.

ralpho1
November 6, 2008, 07:15 PM
forgive me , I misspoke, a 1954 model

9mmepiphany
November 6, 2008, 10:28 PM
Quote:
For those who have recommended the high priced 22lrs such as Anschultz...DANG! I do not even pay that much for my deer rifles...so I have a very hard time even considering paying that much for a 22lr.

And a K-22 revolver costs more than many 9 mm self-loading pistols.

If you are like most shooters, you will use the .22 a lot more than any deer rifle.

It's silly to economize on something like this. Buy quality, only cry once.

that's my logic too. you'll get alot more use out of a .22lr rifle than any CF rifle...unless you spend time culling herds

benzy2
November 6, 2008, 11:04 PM
It all depends on what you want. A no expense spared hunting .22lr would be a sporter barrel on an Aschutz 54 action. Yes while that action is often used as a target action it is offered with a great shooting sporter weight barrel and regular iron sights, along with a rail to mount a scope. It would be the best rifle you could get and still be very comfortable in the field/woods. You don't have to get an Annie with the target stock and barrel even though that is what they are known for.

Another amazing rifle is the Weatherby Mk xxii. The new ones are bolt rifles, actually using Anschutz actions, and are drop dead gorgeous. They are accurate and are a rifle I could just as easily hang on the wall. I would hate to ding up one of the stocks though.

When we move to a bit more affordable rifles the next step down would be a CZ 452 or 453(452 has a regular trigger while the 453 has a set trigger). I love these rifles. They to me bridge the gap of build quality, accuracy, and cost. There are cheaper rifles out there than will shoot with them but those rifles feel like toys to me. The CZ feels like you could almost jam a .223 in there and be good to go. It just feels like a real rifle. To me that means enough that I have moved my rimfire purchases all towards CZ since I bought my first.

From there you basically get into the Marlin and Savage rifles. Both seem to shoot great on average. A few come out bad but the vast majority shoot good. You can get a cheap one with a plain stock or you can get them in SS with real expensive stocks. Honestly I can justify the base models, or at least the base heavy barrel models. Beyond that it seems to get expensive for the quality you get. Once you add a few features you are pushing CZ price range and I personally would rather a CZ than any factory built Marlin or Savage for the same price. The Marlin I have shoots great but I had to replace the trigger to get things to really shine. The Savage I have has a good trigger but isn't quite the shooter the Marlin is. Still I haven't had the desire to get rid of either. Both are base models though and I don't have much invested in either.

When you look at auto loaders I think it comes down to a few things. If you don't want to mess with upgrades I would get a Marlin model 60. They have been a long time best seller and are great rifles. They are more accurate in general that a box stock 10/22 and personally feel better. The 10/22 is a rifle that out of the box isn't much special but has a great potential. The only problem I have with my 10/22 build was that I spent a lot of money. Enough money I could have just got that Anschutz had I known better. To me it became a money pit that shot well but now sits. Too many other fun rifles to spend time with it. Savage and Marlin make box mag fed autoloaders but I never hear much about them.

In the lever world Henry makes a great little rifle. It is a bit more affordable than the Marlin 39. The Henry rifles I have seen all shot great. The Marlin 39 though is the standard when it comes to lever action. You don't hear of ANY complaints about the 39. Both options are great in the bolt world, it just depends on if you can afford the extra build quality of the 39 or if you take the more affordable Henry, either way will make you happy.

I honestly don't have much respect for the current Remington rifles. Their autoloader is fine but feels dirt cheap every time I handle one. I want to try them but I can't justify it when I get in the store and feel them. Their bolt 504 had great potential but the screwed it up with bad barrels. Rebarreled 504s seem to be great rifles but at that point you are well into Annie price ranges. Their newest bolt rifle is again a good rifle but is again in Annie price range.

elmerfudd
November 6, 2008, 11:07 PM
So far, I've owned two 10/22's, one Marlin 60, one Remington Fieldmaster, one TC R55 and one CZ452. For me, the winner is the CZ. It's just more accurate than all the others and the trigger can be made to be very, very good. I've never found semi-auto to be necessary for hunting and I've never found mag fed, semi-auto rimfires to be particularly reliable. Sometimes you do need a quick followup shot, but a bolt can be worked plenty fast. My #2 choice out of those listed would be the Marlin M60.

9mmepiphany
November 6, 2008, 11:32 PM
the big thing that you're getting when you go with an Anschutz...besides the Match action...is the quality of the barrel. you never hear about folks rebarreling an Annie for more accuracy.

the Cooper is a fine rifle, but it really started out an American copy of the Anschutz...what sets them apart is their outstanding wood

atblis
November 7, 2008, 11:19 AM
A lot of things are a copy of an Anschutz.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 7, 2008, 11:56 AM
Edited: Oops, sorry, I already replied (dang old-timers').

But to reiterate, here it is:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/2202030.html

Yes, definitely. That is the answer. :)

benzy2
November 7, 2008, 12:03 PM
If I understand your question, it is:

1. BEST
2. NEW
3. HUNTING
4. .22lr

No other criteria. That's gonna be pretty subjective, but I'd cast my vote for this one:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/2202030.html

Yes, definitely. That is the answer.

100% agree that that rifle is THE best rifle you can buy that is setup for hunting, ignoring price.

coop923
November 8, 2008, 12:52 PM
I've always liked my Marlin 39; accurate, comfortable, feels like a full size gun. Mine wears a Williams receiver site. I change between 3 different apertures depending on what I'm doing. I noticed nobody mentioned the T/C classic; I never have shot one, but always thought they looked interesting. Anyone have any thoughts or experiences with them?

natescout
November 8, 2008, 02:09 PM
Ruger 10/22

9mmepiphany
November 8, 2008, 02:31 PM
Ruger 10/22

:what:

elmerfudd
November 8, 2008, 03:19 PM
Well, once you replace 90% of the parts, a 10/22 becomes a pretty nice rifle and I think a well built custom 10/22 would stack up well against any autoloader.

Out of the box though I don't think they have much going for them.

Loggerlee
November 8, 2008, 11:29 PM
Marlin Model 60

doc2rn
November 9, 2008, 12:39 AM
Ruger 77/22 MKII with Bushnell quick find scope for those who dont want to put another $300 into a 10/22 to make a shooter

TheGrimReaper
November 9, 2008, 02:56 AM
Hunting bolt-CZ
hunting Semi-Ruger 10/22

deerhunter61
January 21, 2009, 07:35 AM
Where do you purchase most of your 22 rifles that yow own? Do you go to the same gunshot or do you purchase them online?

mgkdrgn
January 21, 2009, 08:15 AM
Bolt action, tube fed (14+1), iron sights, grooved for scope. Last made in 1959 (started in the late late 30's early 40's I believe). Lightweight, extremely accurate, stone simple, slicker than snot action and a -wonderful- trigger. IF you can find one in decent shape, buy it. You'll thank me later. :D

Modern production .... probably Marlin or CZ.

CajunBass
January 21, 2009, 09:00 AM
I'v got ten 22 rifles now (one is still on layaway). I think they're all "the best."

Find 22 you like, at a price you're willing to spend, and you'll probably end up thinking it's "the best."

ken22250
January 21, 2009, 04:01 PM
"GSG-5 is not on your list. I would recommend an SBR and maybe later you can throw a suppressor on it. They are so much fun."


they are a lot of fun! i dont have one, but a quy i shoot with does, the first day he got it he put 1000+ rounds of cheap, old, mise-matched junk .22's through it, with out a single jam.
but as for hunting, i love the winchester 52, but as they are very scarce now, but the kimber is a very good bolt gun, but i really love the marlin 39A lever action.
ken

czarjl
January 21, 2009, 04:37 PM
I have to vote for the Ruger 10/22 as the best all around 22lr.

Monkybrainz
January 23, 2009, 02:25 PM
Ive had this little number for 20 years or so, shot yotes, rabbit, bobcat, snakes, got a couple of quail too. its a remington feildmaster 572 made in jan of 55
91510

deerhunter61
January 23, 2009, 07:17 PM
Monkybrnainz

That is a nice looking rifle...is it a Semi-auto?

NCsmitty
January 23, 2009, 07:25 PM
The 572 is a quality pump still being made today, but not cheap. Even makes a smoothbore version.

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/rimfire_rifles/model_572_fieldmaster_specs.asp

NCsmitty

shotgunjoel
January 23, 2009, 07:36 PM
Savage MkII, I have the BTVS and it shoots tiny little groups. I've gotten .8 MOA 5 shot groups with Remington Thunderbolts.

briang2ad
January 23, 2009, 07:42 PM
This one:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/c85252ad0bf600529096ebe7cb24be365291a53.jpg

And it is a REAL squirrel rifle - you know because of the stock!

Its cheap, has a crisp (maybe a little heavy) trigger, and shoots better than me for now. And... it is SUPER fun to shoot!

Daizee
January 23, 2009, 07:43 PM
OLDer Winchester 94/22 - *love*

CZ 452-ZKM, 24" - best gun for the money. Best Iron sights delivered on a factory .22 ever, and CHEAP. That thing is like a magic wand. It comes to the shoulder like a fine small gauge shotgun and shoots MOA out of the box.

Almost sorry I cut mine down to 20.5" for the woods - but not quite. :-)
I got it used, rehab'd the rusty exterior, cut it down, new M1 Carbine front sight, free-floated the barrel. It even comes with sling swivels and an adjustable trigger. I wanted a perfect iron-sighted small game rifle, and this is it. Velocity is higher with the shorter barrel too.

-Daizee

http://thaumaturgy.net/~etgold/images/czpix/DSC00948-small.JPG

Monkybrainz
January 23, 2009, 09:45 PM
no deerhunter61, its a pump, Wow looks like we got some nice plinkers around here, gotta love them .22's., lets see more pics! if ya got an oldie, dust if off and post a pic! or if its a new favorite!.....

best one i ever shot was my unkles winchester .22 single shot bolt action, that ya had to pull back the fireing pin after ya load it.. dont remember the model?

ShowMe2
January 23, 2009, 11:58 PM
I've owned many of the 22's that have been listed...if I could have only one it would be a 94/22. At the present time I have a Martlin 39A, a Browning BLR, and a Winchester 94/22. I'd take the Winchester every time. Polished blue steel and walnut with a much slicker action than the other two.

C-grunt
January 24, 2009, 05:39 AM
I got a Savage MkII that is pretty good. Has the synthetic stock so it sure isnt a looker. Im trying to find a mag for my first ever rifle, a Marlin 25 I believe, cant pull it out now the wife is sleeping. That sure is a nice rifle. I really want a good target .22 now. Im thinking of the CZ 453 with the set trigger.

CajunBass
January 24, 2009, 07:46 AM
lets see more pics! if ya got an oldie, dust if off and post a pic! or if its a new favorite!.....

Ok. I didn't post this the last time, but since you asked. And yes, I think they're all "the best." Just depends on which day it is which one is.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/007.jpg

Oldies? I guess it depends on how you define "old." The Ruger 77/22 on the left is a 1984 the Marlin 39a on the right is a 1982. The second 10/22 from the left has a "no warning" barrel and it's S/N shows it to be a 1977. The Stevens bolt action Model 46, between the 597 Remington and the Marlin, well, I dont know how old that one is. Apparently it's before 1968 since it doesn't have a serial number.

SwampWolf
January 24, 2009, 02:05 PM
For a light, nice handling, accurate sporter, my vote is for the recently discontinued Remington 504. I bought mine recently for $439.00 (new) and installed an affordable Nikon 4X scope on it mounted as low as possible. I love the trigger, the stock configuration and the flush-mounted magazine.

Like others have opined, there's no good reason to pay less or expect less from a rifle just because it has a smaller hole in the barrel and isn't a centerfire. Why pay more for a rifle you'll shoot less? That's the beauty of having a quality rimfire: you can enjoy shooting it more because you can shoot it cheaper.

Finally, everybody should own a Marlin 39!

Monkybrainz
January 24, 2009, 02:10 PM
wow cajunbass, nice set up, love the lever action..

deerhunter61
January 25, 2009, 09:09 PM
I have a decent pawn shop down the street from where I live and I passed by it today. I thought about going in to see what type of 22's they might have for sale but decided not to.

How many of the 22's that you own have you purchased somewhere like a pawn shop?

Monkybrainz
January 25, 2009, 09:30 PM
my 3rd .22 ever ownd i got at a pawn shop for 40 bucks, took it apart refinished the stock, reblued the barrle and reciever, then took it back and got 95 bucks. that was in 1988 and i thought i made a killin...wow the good ol days....what i'd give to get anything that shoots for 40 bucks..haha

thinkin bout redoin my '55' remington 572 that i posted a pic of? should i or just leave it be??

CajunBass
January 26, 2009, 05:22 AM
How many of the 22's that you own have you purchased somewhere like a pawn shop?

None, but only because the pawn shops around here don't sell guns, or don't want to. By that I mean they want more for a beater than I can buy new in the box for.

I got most of mine from one big local dealer. They were almost all used. One came from Wal-Mart.

deerhunter61
January 26, 2009, 09:09 AM
If you have the ability to refinish it and you can why not?

cinteal
January 30, 2009, 09:56 PM
Man, maybe you have already posted that you got one in another thread, but, if not, get off the computer and get to buying! Then comes the fun part, you can shoot it! I replied to your post in October:banghead:

Just pickin' a bit, please forgive.

I just came in third in an unannounced tourney at my gunclub . . . My 1 CZ in a host of Anshutz. I didn't even get any snobbish looks from the Annie owners. YOU WILL NOT REGRET PURCHASING A CZ452. If you like iron sights, get the Lux, if you want Optic Only, get the American. You may find other guns you like better, but you won't want to get rid of the CZ even if you do . . . I've tried almost all readily available. Hell, buy one new off GunBroker, they won't break the bank.

One last prohecy into the future of your life . . . you're going to buy a CZ452 Lux and love it . . . soon.

deerhunter61
January 31, 2009, 08:05 AM
Just so everyone knows...I have purchased a 452! After I purchased mine and realized just how great a rifle it was I was looking for a second one to buy for my father-in-law...Shopped for a month around here...Dallas Area....and did not find one. Finally settle on a Browning T- bolt. He is still trying to find some ammo that shoots good enough out of it to beat me.

hksw
January 31, 2009, 06:49 PM
Wolf Match Extra. Shoots extremely well through all of my 452s and T-Bolt (new model) without going to high end ammo. Very slightly more consistant than Match Target through my guns but that load (MT) is also a good one to try out.

RaferJanders
February 1, 2009, 09:12 PM
10/22 hard to go wrong, bolt action I just traded one of my SKS's for a 68 Winchester bolt action, it came with a factory peep site and a hooded front site, beautiful balance, I fired it 2days ago, popped clays at 150 yrds.

latisimusd
February 2, 2009, 12:05 AM
I've had a few 22LR rifles and mine would be in the following order:
1) Winchester 52B
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ARfun/unertl001.jpg

2) CZ453
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ARfun/garands/CZ453001.jpg

3) Ruger 10/22
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/ARfun/4d70.jpg

Wolf Match, Fed Gold Medal, Ely, CCI, & Blazer 22LR ammo

Rockfish Dave
February 2, 2009, 12:28 AM
I have a CZ 452 Varmint with a Timney trigger and McMillan stock, and a New Ultra Light Arms .22lr. By the time I brought the CZ up to the NULA they cost virtually the same. Both are outstanding rifles that can put round after round into the same whole at 30-50 yards. I can not say if they are the best, but I am extreemly happy with both. My wife and I can go to the range and put 500 rounds down range for very little cost. They both handle like our larger caliber rifles so we can train/keep the musle memory of shooting without going broke or beating ourselves up.

deerhunter61
February 4, 2009, 10:09 PM
Those are some nice rifles there...which one is your favorite?

I was wondering if any of you use your 22s to prepare for hunting season. I am talking about target shooting as well as hunting squirrels and/or rabbits to prepare for big game hunting each year? If so how do you think it helps you?

H2O MAN
February 4, 2009, 10:53 PM
I'm thinking one of Spikes complete 22lr uppers resting on the AR lower of your
choosing plus a few 27 round Black Dog mags would be about as good as it gets.

rangerruck
February 5, 2009, 05:43 AM
anschutz, all you will ever need.if you must have a semi, thompson/center will crush all others, unless you can find a CZ semi...

9mmepiphany
February 5, 2009, 06:03 AM
in a .22, the barrel is everything.

Anschutz mates a match quality barrel with their world class M-54 action. it just doesn't get any better. it set such a standard that Cooper...oops, Wilson now... used it as a basis for their line of superb rimfires

deerhunter61
February 8, 2009, 12:25 AM
What makes the CZs good? I know there are better rifles but are there really any better more accurate rifles for your money than a CZ?

Based on all the info provided in this thread the concensus is that the CZ is about the best for the money 22 rifle out there...at least for $500 or less anyway...

hksw
February 8, 2009, 01:56 PM
What makes the CZs good? I know there are better rifles but are there really any better more accurate rifles for your money than a CZ?


One of the factors that seems to be a player in the CZ's ability to be more precise is the amount of constriction i nthe bore from receiver to muzzle. The CZ guns have tighter bores than comperable guns in the same price range.

The CZs are, IMO from my experiences, the best value of the currently produced rimfire guns under $500. The new Browning T-Bolt, at least my sample, seems to possibly be as good, however, they are just over $500. You will, though, get your occassional ringer needle-in-the-haystack marlin Mod 60, Ruger 10/22, 77/22, etc. that just so happend to be put together in such a way with all of the planets aligned that will get you accuracy as good as a CZ out of the box, but generally speaking, the CZ will shoot rings inside of them.

d2wing
February 8, 2009, 07:14 PM
My CZ is giving me fits. Sometimes it shoots, sometime it doesn't. I also had to try a couple different ring and scope combos. It's a 452 Special. I maybe should have bought an American or Varmit. The action and trigger are good, I like the iron sights. It's a nice rifle for the price but I can't say it's the most accurate .22 I've shot. It is picky about ammo and needs more attention than I like to give a rifle. Kinda reminds me of a certain woman.

CZguy
February 9, 2009, 01:03 AM
My CZ is giving me fits. Sometimes it shoots, sometime it doesn't.

I have the same experience. But, the problem turned out to be me, not the rifle. :D

9mmepiphany
February 9, 2009, 01:45 AM
on the CZ, check the barrel channel for contact

lej
February 9, 2009, 02:38 AM
for the money, hunting - cz453

triggerman7.62
February 9, 2009, 02:13 PM
i love my savage mark II. can shoot a fee off a dog's ass at 100yds! no joke put 1 round into the primer on a 9mm brass at 25yds. shoot acorns out of trees freehand. got mine at Dick's 4yrs back for $150. it came with a simmons 3-9x90 scope. and have put 2000+ rounds through it without a single problem! i love that gun and with ammo going up you can still get 500 rounds for about 15 bucks or less.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
February 9, 2009, 02:15 PM
Well if I had a 90mm scope, I could hit fees, too! :-\

JImbothefiveth
February 9, 2009, 02:33 PM
Anshutz and Cooper I thought were target 22's? I am looking for hunting 22's.
Anschutz can also be had in "sporter" form. I think some of them will still have target actions, which makes them more accurate.

In my opinion, Anschutz would be better than cooper. You see the Anschutz (their target version, not the sporter version) at the olympics, but coopers aren't there. I believe that you can get that same design, but in sporter form, if you buy an Anschutz. (It won't be quite as accurate as the target versions, but should still be very accurate.)

Also, Cooper endorsed an anti-gun politician, possibly to drive some competitors out of business.

CZguy
February 9, 2009, 08:01 PM
Well if I had a 90mm scope, I could hit fees, too! :-\

I use iron sights, and I can't even see the fees! :D

d2wing
February 9, 2009, 11:00 PM
Yeah 9mm, I tried a couple things, turns out the sling screw stuck too far. I filed that down, sanded the channel some as it was tight on one side and it's better. Today It shot much better, 1/2 inch at 25 yards. It is picky on ammo too. That's with cheap ammo and not off a bench so I am hopeful and feeling much better about my new CZ.

CZguy
February 10, 2009, 12:12 AM
filed that down, sanded the channel some as it was tight on one side and it's better.

Every CZ that I've ever seen was tight on one side of the barrel channel. Check out the CZ section of rimfire central for more info.

hksw
February 10, 2009, 02:18 PM
Of the 9 CZs I have, only 1 or 2 had freefloated barrels (despite being noted as being a standard feature in CZ's literature). The ones that weren't shot fine anyway. Before you start sanding or milling anything, it is always a good check to see if the gun performs without the operation. Some guns like a barrel that doesn't touch anything, others like a little pressure here or there.

zx12rider
February 10, 2009, 02:26 PM
I still own/shoot my cz 452 but my all time fav .22 is either my Marlin 39D or (stupidly sold) Remington 541S..... Man I miss that gun, it took so much game.

9mmepiphany
February 10, 2009, 03:12 PM
I believe that you can get that same design, but in sporter form, if you buy an Anschutz. (It won't be quite as accurate as the target versions, but should still be very accurate

Anshutz sporter actions differ from their Olympic siblings only in being repeaters. then i add a sporter weight barrel and stock. their barrels are outstanding and account for their outstanding accurrcy.

remember that the Cooper started as a clone of the Anschutz, just as Leupold scopes started as economy versions of Schmidt & Bender scopes

JohnBT
February 10, 2009, 03:49 PM
I don't think that's accurate, Leupold has been making scopes a lot longer than S&B. JT
_________________________________
From Leupold:

1947 -

Marcus Leupold misses a shot at a blacktail buck due to fogged lenses in a riflescope. According to family legend, he exclaims “Hell, I could make a better scope than this!” True to his word, he does, and Leupold enters the riflescope market with the introduction of the 2.5x Plainsman.

1949 -

Leupold employs a lesson learned making optics for the military in World War II, and becomes the first optics manufacturer to evacuate the scope interior of air and then fill it with pure nitrogen, which eliminates any chance of internal fogging. Leupold’s “weather-proofed” optics quickly become popular among sportsmen.

1957 -

Following the success of the Plainsman and other early entries in the optics market, Leupold expands its riflescope line-up even further. Their popularity in the optics market leads them to create other products for outdoors enthusiasts, including a compass.
_______________________________
From S&B:

"Since 1957, in a small town where Germany's legendary optics industry was founded hundreds of years ago, Schmidt & Bender has been devoted to one thing only: building the finest riflescope money can buy."
=======================================================

I like Cooper's stocks better than Anschutz'. They feel better in my hands and don't sacrifice much, if anything, in the accuracy department when it comes to a .22 rimfire for hunting small game. JT

SwampWolf
February 10, 2009, 04:11 PM
just as Leupold scopes started as economy versions of Schmidt & Bender scopes

:confused: Where in the world do people get this stuff?

poppeye
February 10, 2009, 05:25 PM
:p:p:p:p:pwho is asking for an argument?:p:p:p:p:p

deerhunter61
February 10, 2009, 08:00 PM
This is great stuff! :)

FUNNY!

d2wing
February 10, 2009, 11:54 PM
I am looking for another rifle too. I have a CZ, Marlin, Ruger and a couple others. I am interested in the Thompson/Contender semi auto. I think it's the R-55. I've heard vague remarks that they are good. I'm not interested in a project gun. I want one that shoots. Any feed back on them or something similar?

22-rimfire
February 11, 2009, 12:09 AM
The R-55's are good and accurate. Keep it clean around the breech. I believe I told you this before.

d2wing
February 11, 2009, 02:48 PM
Sorry, lol, at my age you have to tell me a couple times before I hear you, and a couple more and I might remember.

seuss
February 19, 2009, 01:16 AM
I love my nickel plated Marlin 39D. Great gun!

Davo
February 19, 2009, 02:50 AM
MY 22 rifles are the best!

:)

colemanw
February 19, 2009, 03:08 AM
if you think you will be using .22 shot shells at all, you may want to go with a lever or a bolt. the .22 shot doesn't have the kick to cycle an semiauto

deerhunter61
March 21, 2009, 07:07 AM
For the money I believe the CZ 452 is the best 22 on the market. I realize there are 22s that are more accurate and some folks would say that perhaps others are more fun but the CZ 452 for the money is incredibly accurate and if accuracy is the what you are looking for, if accuracy is what makes shooting it fun then the CZ would be a great fit for anyones arsenal.

22-rimfire
March 21, 2009, 10:09 AM
Deerhunter61; I believe the CZ 452 is a very good value for the money. The price has been increasing and the "value" is decreasing relative to the competition in nice sporter grade 22 rifles with walnut stocks.

I consider the CZ 452 and Savage Mark II Classic to be essentially an equal value for the cost new. Both are typically very accurate. The CZ will have a more "solid" feel, where as the Savage will have a more classic hunting rifle feel (sleek and accurate).

The TC R-55 is without question the best shooting semi-auto 22 rifle currently on the market out of the box. A good one may give your CZ a run for its money in the accuracy department. Your typical R-55 will shoot at least 1/2" groups at 50 yds with moderately good 22 ammunition such as Wolf Match Target. Even with Remington Thunderbolts, you should be able to keep the groups under 3/4" at 50 yds. The thunderbolt groups will likely be a loosly fitting 1/2" group with a flyer which pushes it to about 3/4" edge to edge. That is still plenty good enough for most small game hunting scenarios.

deerhunter61
May 25, 2013, 10:11 AM
Guys,

I'm curious if the AR .22 would be or are good hunting rifles? How accurate are they?

yzguy87
May 25, 2013, 10:38 AM
Deerhunter61, did you realize this thread is over 4 years old? Lol!

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