The Best Shotgun Shells... on Sale!


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bpfan
October 6, 2008, 01:17 PM
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to let you know that all B&P shotgun shells are on sale now through October 15 at www.bandpusa.com. You get 10% off your entire order plus free FedEx shipping. These shells are top of the line, imported from Italy. If you have never tried them before you really should.

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1KPerDay
October 6, 2008, 02:43 PM
Mmmmm... spamalicious!

Gord
October 6, 2008, 02:46 PM
I already reported the thread; we'll see.

Anyone ever heard of these guys? Their slugs are fairly cheap.

JohnBT
October 6, 2008, 02:56 PM
B&P has been making quality ammo for over 100 years. Looks like B&P USA is having a sale. www.bandpusa.com

John

ReloaderFred
October 6, 2008, 04:04 PM
The ammunition has been around for a long time. They use an unusual shotgun hull, in that the rim is metal, then a plastic inner ring, then the primer pocket. They're pretty distinctive when you see them for the first time.

Hope this helps.

Fred

jjohnson
October 6, 2008, 04:09 PM
Hey, they've got stuff for Police/defense/"big varmint" and in 20 gauge also, decent prices. :what: Something for everybody!

Wahooo! Thanks!

CWL
October 6, 2008, 04:36 PM
I am intrigued, but I hate SPAMMers...

If this guy had only introduced himself and honestly explained his line of business rather than post this SPAM type of crap...

Gord
October 6, 2008, 04:47 PM
I just wish I could find a few reviews or patterning tests online. I can't afford to spend money right now on cheap practice ammo - got plenty of that already, anyhow - but at $50 shipped per 100, their 00 buck equivalent (https://www.bandpusa.com/Shopping/product_info.php?cPath=53_55&products_id=51) is certainly attractive as a cheap HD load... if only there were some pattern/penetration data somewhere.

The slugs aren't that much cheaper than KOs, but I wouldn't mind picking up a couple boxes to try 'em out.

bpfan
October 6, 2008, 06:40 PM
Sorry guys, I didnít mean to be a spammer. I just meant to pass along a good deal. My name is Aleesha, and itís no secret that I work with B&P shotgun shells. I also donít pretend to be an expert either. I can only pass along what our technical people say. Regarding pattern testing, I understand that patterning is a match between a specific gun, choke, barrel length and the specific brand of shell. Also, slugs and shot are totally different. The guy here who has shot our slugs says that he was truly impressed their accuracy at 100 yards. However, we are much better known for our competition and bird hunting shells. The reason why our competition and bird hunting 12 gauge shells are so different is because each contains a round shock absorber in the base of each shell called the Gordon System. That significantly reduces felt recoil and the detent impacted on each shot pellet. The dent inflicted on each pellet makes it fly asymmetrically. The deeper the dent the more the shot wonders, bad patterning. The less itís dented the most symmetrical pattern for the greatest distance, most consistent, best patterning. Again, just trying to be helpful.

1KPerDay
October 6, 2008, 08:02 PM
Uh oh, a forthcoming, friendly spammer with relevant product and information... I may have to order some of your shells. :)

Ergosphere
October 6, 2008, 08:04 PM
Can you tell me the shot size for the 20ga. "big game gualandi"? If that's like #4 buck or larger, it's a good deal.

Dave McCracken
October 6, 2008, 10:19 PM
Hmm....

Bordering on spam, but I've used B&P a couple times. Good loads.

Even though it's tinged with commercialism, letting it stand for now...

macadore
October 7, 2008, 02:29 AM
Even though it's tinged with commercialism, letting it stand for now...

Thanks Dave. Good call. I have never heard of these people and would like to know more.

RaisedByWolves
October 7, 2008, 02:42 AM
"My name is Aleesha"




My question is.....Is she cute?




We had a girl on the tractor forum once selling "Tire rejuvinator" (Snake oil) andwas cuteas a button, untill she signed one of her posts......Gary !!!




Im still going to check out these shells.



Thanks Aleesha!

RaisedByWolves
October 7, 2008, 03:14 AM
OK, I just spent some money.:D



I clicked the Redeem button while placing my order and got another $4 off?



Kind of makes me wish I had spent more......



.

Smith
October 7, 2008, 03:52 AM
Wow, regardless of their performance (although by what people are saying, they sound quite good), those shells just look nice!

Mike U.
October 7, 2008, 05:48 AM
Why exactly are these shells "the best"?

I'd like to see some ballistic data, maybe some data on materials used in the construction and maybe some testimonials.
I mean, if your gonna borderline spam, borderline spam with some pertinent info, please.

bpfan
October 7, 2008, 12:40 PM
Hi Guys, I appreciate you keeping me on the forum... and I'll accept the title "Friendly spammer." :) RaisedByWolves, Maybe I can post a picture sometime in the near future and let you decide if Iím ďcute.Ē

I definitely donít want to be commercial and Iím not going to be preachy about our shells. I offered the concept of the Gordon System shock absorber in the base of 12 ga. earlier in this string. The shock absorber and the consistent burn of the high quality powders make for a major improvement in pattern symmetry and consistency.

To jjohnson: the 20 ga. Big Game Gualandi is a 7/8 oz slug, not shot.

Thanks to JohnBT, ReloaderFred and DaveMcCraken for your comments.

If you want recommendations of specific shells for specific uses, Iíll do my best to get those questions answered. Thanks again guys. ;)

1KPerDay
October 7, 2008, 01:53 PM
How about pheasant loads?

Upland game (quail/dove/small grouse)?

Superreverb
October 7, 2008, 03:21 PM
Hi, Aleesha. How light, recoil-wise, are your EXTRA ROSSA* 28 GA. shells? My kids shoot an 870 Express in 28, so I'm always looking for a good, light kicking factory round to keep on hand for when I'm too lazy to reload.

stiletto raggio
October 7, 2008, 04:10 PM
I will definitely be ordering some of that buckshot! When you figure in shipping, that is about 30% cheaper than Wolf or S&B.

bpfan
October 7, 2008, 04:43 PM
Each B&P 12 ga shell with the Gordon System shock absorber will shoot softer than any other brand 12 ga shell of the same lead load and velocity. Iím told that out on the edge of the corn field or plains shooting the MB Long Range 1 ľ oz, 1330 fps, 6 or 4 shot. A typical field shot is our MB Extra, 1 ľ oz, 1330 fps, 7 or 6 shot. If someone wants even a lighter recoil, MB Light 1 1/16 oz, 1330 fps, 7 or 6 shot. Quail and Dove, MB Light 1 1/16 oz, MB Classic 1 1/8 oz, each at 1330 fps, probably 8 shot, maybe 7. Grouse, fast shots between the trees the MB Classic or MB Dispersante spreader load for an elongated pattern. Our only 16, 20 F2 Classic Nickel Plated, and 28 Extra Rossa, are hunting loads. They arenít softer recoil, but their construction and the powders make very consistent velocity and pattern. Someone asked about light shooting B&P 28 ga. Without the shock absorber they donít shoot lighter than other 28s. They are a hunting shell and not intended to be lighter shooting. Hope this helps!

sargenv
October 7, 2008, 04:58 PM
I was a bit underwhelmed at the Steel shot for waterfowl. 1375 fps is considerably anemic when another brand can push the same load to 1550 fps. When I look for hunting shotshells, and especially steel shot, I expect a bit better performance than what it being offered, oh well.

Mike U.
October 7, 2008, 05:03 PM
I see only one slug on your website. Is this all your loading for?
How hard/soft is the lead in that slug? Is it dead soft lead or is it hardened?

JohnBT
October 7, 2008, 05:12 PM
"1375 fps is considerably anemic"

Not for shooting over decoys at reasonable ranges. That's sort of an average velocity and saves wear and tear on the shoulder.

John

stiletto raggio
October 7, 2008, 05:17 PM
Okay, I ordered 200 rounds of the OO equivalent and 200 rounds of the 5.0mm buckshot (for an HD round). I am giving serious thought to the 1-1/4 ounce slugs. I hope the rounds get here before the sale is over, because if I am impressed, I will be ordering another 6-800 rounds.

RyanM
October 7, 2008, 05:21 PM
Not for shooting over decoys at reasonable ranges. That's sort of an average velocity and saves wear and tear on the shoulder.

Lower velocity shells also tend to pattern better. Funny, metallic handloads that are less than book max are usually more accurate, as well. But that can't be right. Faster is always better these days, right?

Also, Aleesha, are the hulls with the Gordon System reloadable? Is the Gordon System doohickey reusable, or are the hulls just normal old hulls after they're fired once?

stiletto raggio
October 7, 2008, 05:47 PM
The Gordon System is in the wad, so the shells themselves don't have anything to do with it.

bpfan
October 7, 2008, 05:52 PM
Mike U - There are two slugs on the website... Big Game B&P 1 1/8 and the Big Game Gualandi 20 gauge. The lead is hardened. Here is a link: https://www.bandpusa.com/Shopping/index.php?cPath=1_14

RyanM - We had an Arizona professional reloader look into reloading B&P. He confirms that they reload the same number of times as conventional shells but the shock absorber is 100% at first shot and starts becoming a regular shell with successive reloads.

Mike U.
October 7, 2008, 07:41 PM
Thank you bpfan.
Good to hear that the slug is hardened.
I have 12 gauge blinders on from 'net shopping. Since 12 ga. is all I shoot it's all I look for when ammo shopping on web pages.
Thanks.

Ergosphere
October 7, 2008, 11:55 PM
Ok, I'm confused...

Are the shot sizes given in millimeters? If so, the Big Game Palletoni claims to be 9 pellets at 11.0 mm, totaling 33.5 grams of lead. But by my calculations, 9 pellets of smaller 000 buck (at 9.1 mm diameter) weigh 41 grams. :confused:

RaisedByWolves
October 8, 2008, 12:34 AM
Erg, that had me thrown for a while untill I read that their listed on the European sizes. It should read 11/0, not 11.0 .



Im wondering if there is something in the size of #1 buck. One is listed as being near #4 (I think) but I cant find #1ish shot.

Ergosphere
October 8, 2008, 12:43 AM
I don't see anything equivalent to #4 or #1.

sargenv
October 8, 2008, 12:55 AM
Not for shooting over decoys at reasonable ranges. That's sort of an average velocity and saves wear and tear on the shoulder.

John

Maybe so but I prefer to have something a little more that can be used for ducks as well as geese in the case where I may have already depleted the few BB's I tend to bring into the field. On California state game refuges, they restrict you to 25 shells in possession at any time in the field, and you can't really kill anything too dead.

I guess you have to define reasonable range? :) It also depends on the skill of the hunter, the weather conditions, and how many other hunters around me who might be interested in those birds I'm calling. I prefer to get my steel on target as fast as possible on stormy days. Less chance of blowing patterns all over the place.

I can understand someone who might have shoulder and back problems and that's a valid concern. I haven't gotten to that point yet. I'm sure these are good enough for those conditions.

Lower velocity shells also tend to pattern better. Funny, metallic handloads that are less than book max are usually more accurate, as well. But that can't be right. Faster is always better these days, right?


One thing I'm a firm believe in is that patterns do not kill, pellets on target do. :) But that's the info I gleaned out of the Ballistic Products data manuals. A pattern can be good to show a 2 dimensional representation, but you need to think of the shot in a three dimensional "cloud" not so much as a 2 dimensional "group".

chas08
October 8, 2008, 02:03 AM
Faster is always better these days, right?

Not always. Within a given distance maybe. But it doesn't equal out like with rifle bullets because they are spherical in shape. The faster you push a sphere, the faster it slows down, past a point. I read an interesting article on this very topic last season, I think it was in Wildfowl magazine. The difference in 1350 fps ammo and 1550 ammo gained about a five yard advantage at at the most extreme range of a given shot size, but increased the variance in lead between close and extreme considerably more, and decreased the pellet count in the pattern considerably because speed usually equals less weight. I've always liked to hunt everything that flies with the same speed of shell. And for me that speed is about 1350 fps give or take a little. Doves, Ducks, or Geese. 28 ga. - 10 ga. all you really have to think about is distance, speed, and lead. As if that is not enough. But for me the more variables I can eliminate, the easier it gets. And for what its worth a Winchester Dry-Lok T-shot at 1350 fps will do a pass through on a Snow Goose at 80 yds with 20 feet of lead :)

bpfan
October 8, 2008, 11:24 AM
Sorry, nothing in #1 Buck, .30Ē. B&P has an equivalent to 00 Buck .34 (8 Pellets) in B&P 11/0 .3386 (9 pellets). B&P equivalent to # 4 Buck .24Ē (21 pellets) is 7/0 .2441Ē (20 Pellets). These B&P shells each use the Gordon System shock absorber in the base of each shell, which again reduces felt recoil and reduces detents on the pellets for truer flight. I hope that answers your questions.

Ergosphere
October 8, 2008, 02:58 PM
B&P equivalent to # 4 Buck .24Ē (21 pellets) is 7/0 .2441Ē (20 Pellets)

Got a link? I only see 3/0 and 5/0 in 12ga in the "Zerati."

bpfan
October 8, 2008, 03:46 PM
Ergosphere: I just checked on the product and unfortunately we just recently sold out of both the 7/0 and 11/0. Products are selling out quickly due to our current promotion and that is why you aren't finding it on the website. At this time, I am not sure if/when we will be getting more in stock. I can tell you that we do still have the 3/0 and 5/0 in stock but those are both about 1/2 the size of the 7/0 and I don't think thats what you are looking for. Sorry for the inconvenience, please let me know if there is anything else I can help you with!

mgregg85
October 8, 2008, 03:48 PM
*** is the gordon system shock absorber?

Jeffersnian'Eer
October 8, 2008, 04:01 PM
bpfan,

Could you find the actual size of 3/0 and 5/0 shot for me?

Ergosphere
October 8, 2008, 04:03 PM
That info is on their web site...

3/0 (.169) = American ďBĒ (.170)
5/0 (.197) = American ďTĒ (.200)
7/0 (.244) = American 4 BUCKSHOT (.240)

bpfan
October 8, 2008, 04:43 PM
mgregg85,

The B&P Gordon System is the first major advancement in shotgun shell design in the last 100 years or so. Normally shotgun shells rely only on a portion of the wad collapsing to reduce the peak pressure shock of acceleration on the lead shot. When the shot column is accelerated, the point at which each shot pellet touches another pellet makes a dent in each. There have been all kinds of articles written about shot columns and denting of shot. Look through some magazines and youíll find one.

The deeper the dents in each shot, the more erratic the flight. Erratic flight of the pellets makes for an asymmetrical pattern. The farther the shot has to travel to its target the worse the pattern becomes. So, you donít know if you or your shellís pattern missed the target. B&Pís Gordon System, in addition to a high quality wad, also places a patented shock absorber in the base of each shell. The result is the peak pressure from acceleration on each pellet is spread out over time. Less peak pressure on each shot means less denting of each pellet. The shock absorber reduces both felt recoil and the denting of the shot. If you talk to people who shoot B&P shells they'll tell you its all in the consistent patterning.



http://www.bandpusa.com/images/gordon.jpg

Grayrock
October 8, 2008, 05:49 PM
AL (ANIGRINA)
Gauge: 12
Lead: 1 1/8 oz.
Case: 67 mm. (2.62 in.)
Shot: 9.0
FPS: 1300
Qty per carton: 250 Click for
Product
Detail $71.54

These were the cheapest ones I found on their website. I can easily beat that price at my local shell supplier and don't have to wait for delivery. Why should I fork out more money and time? Are these shells SO MUCH better than anything I can get here? (Win AA's reg 6.99- 7.49 and on sale for 5.49 to 6.97 now and then.)

bpfan
October 8, 2008, 06:31 PM
I discussed earlier in the thread why B&P shells have a consistently more symmetrical pattern than even other shells of the same cost. Don't look to B&P for "cheap shells."

RaisedByWolves
October 9, 2008, 01:34 AM
if you do your homework, their offering a pretty good deal.:scrutiny:



$71.54

These were the cheapest ones I found on their website. I can easily beat that price at my local shell supplier and don't have to wait for delivery. Why should I fork out more money and time? Are these shells SO MUCH better than anything I can get here? (Win AA's reg 6.99- 7.49 and on sale for 5.49 to 6.97 now and then.)



With the 10% off, they beat most of your LOCAL Prices at 64.09 per 250 shells. In some areas people pay much more than this. I got 100rds of OO buck for $44 shipped.



Can you beat that?:rolleyes:

Grayrock
October 9, 2008, 10:56 AM
Those were the least expensive shells offered. They are for 2 & 1/2 inch chambers. The equivalent to the AA's are a bit more than $71.54 MINUS the 10%. Yes, I can beat that.

asknight
October 11, 2008, 03:17 AM
bpfan, I'm not finding anything in 28ga. Do you have any offerings in that size?

RaisedByWolves
October 11, 2008, 03:32 AM
I got my order in today (oct 10th), hella of a long wait (3 days!)!




I must state first off, these things look nice. If they shoot as good as they look theyll be a winner in my book. Second, I was confused when I read on the box that they were 2 5/8" shells. I figured, well Ill be able to cram 6 into my Mossy 500 rather than 5, but, nogo. These are actually longer than US made 2 3/4" shells. About 3/16th longer as they dont have a US style crimp. What they have is a rolled edge with a seperate clear window (about .030 thick) that makes up for the difference in length.


Certainly different looking.......



http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/1255/dsc02746rr8.jpg



http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/4182/dsc02747vi7.jpg



http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2742/dsc02754tp2.jpg







Their stacked 3 on 3 on 3, just like regular shells, but the pic makes them look odd as the flash was bouncing off the clear cap in the last pic and I had to compensate. Ill give a full range report asap, including some Chrony tests if possable.

Almond27
October 11, 2008, 05:15 AM
sorry but I had to do it, if you want HD 00 buck Hornady TAP 1600fps and the tightest shot pattern on the market I pay $5 for 5 which may be a little steep but hornady is the best hands down. Also I work for a chemical and drug company so don't think I'm a salesman.

proud2deviate
October 11, 2008, 05:27 AM
1600 FPS? Dang, and I thought I was being excessive with "full-powered" Federal loads at 1325. I've been considering the wisdom of switching to reduced recoil loads, even.

wnycollector
October 11, 2008, 08:37 AM
I'm tempted at picking up 100 rounds of their BIG GAME ZERATI T sized shells for HD duty.

RaisedByWolves
October 11, 2008, 01:04 PM
"HD 00 buck Hornady TAP 1600fps "




Been looking for them everywhere (locally) and cant find them.




Not a salesman either, does anyone else know where to get OO buck for prices like these B&P?



.

wnycollector
October 11, 2008, 01:36 PM
stiletto raggio have you patterned any of the 5.0/T sized shells yet?

proud2deviate
October 11, 2008, 03:17 PM
Not a salesman either, does anyone else know where to get OO buck for prices like these B&P?

Ammunition To Go (http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/) has some pretty decent prices. I've bought from them before.

Almond27
October 12, 2008, 02:40 AM
I have to order my TAP ammo from a local gun shop your local retail store will most likely not carry it. Also I am very interested in this B&P ammo also anyone have a range report yet?

stiletto raggio
June 3, 2010, 04:39 PM
I know this is a resurrection, but I wanted to say (since this is one of few posts with any information on the B&P shells) that both the 11/0 and 5/0 shells pattern very well. The 11/0 spreads about 1 inch every three yards out of my Winchester Defender. The 5/0 spreads a bit more but still throws a very dense pattern, especially for a cylinder bore.

All in all I have used this stuff off and on for over two years. I would buy plenty more of the 5/0 since it is pretty unique and, in my opinion, about perfect for a home defense load.

Sauer Grapes
June 3, 2010, 05:50 PM
I went to the M&M Seafood Blast, which was a registered Sporting Clays competion. They had a "Long Bird" event. For this event, the shells were supplied by B&P. The guys there were smacking 60yd clay targets with those shells.
Good enough ballistics for me! One of the guys from our club shoots them in all his sporting clays tournements. {AA shooter}

No I don't work for B&P. I've never tried them either.

winchester '97
June 3, 2010, 11:38 PM
I still like AA's and fed gold medal better...

novajager
October 18, 2010, 11:43 AM
Does anyone out there have any recipes for reloading B&P Extra Rossa 28 guage shells ... and Gamebore shells aw well?

Gord
October 18, 2010, 02:03 PM
I'm still waiting for Aleesha to post a pic... :neener:

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