Hit this MSN poll


October 7, 2008, 01:43 AM

Pro-gun is only at an alarming 15%!

The poll is on the 2nd page.

Edited: I can no longer locate the poll. :confused:

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October 7, 2008, 02:59 AM
i dont see it, where is it AT!?!!!

October 7, 2008, 03:54 AM
The person that wrote this article is irritating at the least, and I'm just skimming through it.

This week, we take a look at guns. Whether it is for small-game hunting, for weekend trips to the shooting range, or for the security offered by a weapon in a locked cabinet, gun ownership is a source of pride and personal safety for millions of Americans.


The perpetrator, Cho Seung-Hui, legally purchased the two guns used in the massacre from a Virginia gun dealer.

But the semi-automatic ammunition used in one of the weapons would have been illegal under an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004

They banned semi-automatic ammunition too?

Where the candidates stand
Both McCain and Obama agree with the Supreme Court's fundamental assertion in the Heller case that gun ownership is an "individual right" – not a collective right associated with service in a militia – upheld by the Second Amendment.

Really? I thought Obama disagreed with the ruling.

October 7, 2008, 06:45 AM
Poll on page 2 of the article.

pilot teacher
October 7, 2008, 08:16 PM
Of course the results of this and other question on the polls are apparently very biased and slanted. Could you believe that with 90 million gun owners with over 200 million guns that over 80% would say it's not important.
These were my comments to MSNBC on this phoney poll:

There would be no Freedom of Speech or maybe no Constitution if it were not for the Second Amendment. It protects all the amendments and protects from government tyranny from within and without. That means even our own government.

No socialist government could ever exist with an armed population. Anti-gun politicians and socialists are not about controlling guns but about people control.

I would never vote for an anti-gun president because if he does not support the Second Amendment what makes you think he'd support any of the others.

As far as crime is concerned most of the gun crimes are committed by drug users and dealers who stoop to crime to have money for drugs and to shoot at each other for drug deals gone bad.

Statistically, two and a half million crimes are averted each year by a law abiding citizen with a firearm without firing a shot. Many more don't get reported. (The source The U.S. Dep't of Justice.)

Would I ever vote for a President who does not support our rights to own firearms for all lawful purposes?

HELL NO! Would you?

October 7, 2008, 08:44 PM
The poll is still there- scroll down to the question "Would you vote.....?"

Up to 16.5% as this is written-

October 7, 2008, 08:55 PM
Don't sweat it.

A) Even I'm unlikely to vote SOLELY on guns.

B) MSNBC is radical left-wing and therefore appeals to a pretty fringe audience. Every online poll they take is insanely skewed.

Regarding Heller, Obama made some idiotic statement about how he agreed/accepted/something the decision, but favored the DC position.

October 7, 2008, 09:02 PM
With many citizens convinced of their right under the constitution to keep and bear arms

Um...we're not 'convinced' we 'HAVE' the right. "Convinced" makes it seems like we're a bunch of nuts who only 'believe' we have the right when we actually don't.

But then again, that's how NBC views us gun owners...as a bunch of nuts who 'think' we have a right when they believe we don't.

October 8, 2008, 05:44 PM
obama pre heller stated that the 2nd is an individual right, but gun laws like DC's law were constitutional

October 10, 2008, 02:24 PM
It's now on the first page, a red line, asking "Would you vote according to the candidate's stance on gun control?" or something to that effect. It's up to 18%. That is our problem.

In case there is any confusion about where Obama stands on guns: Barack Obama told a crowd in Nashua, N.H., after the shooting. "I don't know any self-respecting hunter that needs 19 rounds of anything. The only reason you have 19 rounds is potentially to do physical harm to people. You don't shoot 19 rounds at a deer. And if you do, you shouldn't be hunting."

Any questions?

October 10, 2008, 02:28 PM
obama pre heller stated that the 2nd is an individual right, but gun laws like DC's law were constitutional

He said the same thing after Heller. He thinks that Heller was wrongly decided, and that a Constitutional right does not prevent the gov't from doing what is "necessary" to reduce "gun violence."

October 10, 2008, 02:41 PM
I like his comment about 19rnds not needed for hunting, well Obama, the 2nd A really isn't about hunting.... Did my part, upto 18.2%

October 11, 2008, 07:51 AM
A lot of the comments are terrifying! I can't even count how many say "Baaa, the economy,jobs and healthcare are more important, semi automatic machine guns should be illegal,Obama doesn't want to take your guns but I want him to ban handguns and you don't need an AK for hunting anyway you ignorant racist redneck NRA idiot, besides, single issue voters are icky, baaaaa!":barf:

:scrutiny:Why do people think that government can fix the economy? How do people not see that the only jobs government can create are a drain on those of us who don't "work" for government. Why do people think that government should have anything to do with healthcare? How can anyone think that "assault weapon" bans are consistent with Constitutional Rights?
What's wrong with single issue voting if the issue is adherence to our Constitution? I went to public schools. I'm not a socialist. How do so many people get brainwashed like this?:scrutiny:

We've gone so far down the road toward The United Socialist States of Subjugation that I truly fear we may not be able to get out of this mess. It seems like so many people just don't "get it".:banghead:

I'm scared of what the future holds.

October 11, 2008, 08:47 AM
It's disgusting and insulting that they're even trying to "balance" the Second amendment. What's so hard to understand about "shall not be infringed"? Seems pretty clear to me...

October 11, 2008, 10:00 AM
OB is an idiot with the typical liberal politician's ignorance of firearms. His comment (in the article) saying "no self-respecting hunter needs 19 rounds" confirms my harsh judgement.

First, he obvioulsy thinks hunters are using 19 round capacity 9mm handguns to shoot Bambi. Second, he obviously is ignorant or ignoring the fact that hanguns are primarily defensive weapons which can well take advantage of 19 rounds in the magazine, especially if the cartridge is a 9mm.

October 14, 2008, 12:45 PM
Did my part. 18.9% still.

Obama's vice presidential pick, Sen. Joe Biden, has been a stalwart believer in gun control throughout his Senate career, offering steady support for the Brady Bill and championing legislation to renew the assault weapons ban. But on the stump, he has been careful to reassure voters that Obama will not enact a gun ban, and he has highlighted his own gun ownership. "He tries to fool with my Beretta," Biden said of Obama in Virginia recently, "he's got a problem."

That's funny. In response to a gun owner calling his AR-15 his "baby", he all but said the guy needed to be visited by the men in the white coats. Why the change, Joe?

October 14, 2008, 01:46 PM
Didn't vote because of the way it's worded. I'm not voting simply because of the candidates 2A stance. It does way heavily but there are other issues of high interest to me also. I will cast a McCain/ Palin vote for several reasons.

October 14, 2008, 02:00 PM
I voted. There are indeed a number of issues that are just as important to me as RKBA. However, although I may not vote for a candidate based solely on his or her stance on the Second Amendment, they will certainly not get my vote if they fail to support our RKBA.

I agree that the question is very poorly worded. As it is, a "yes" vote may not even be pro Second Amendment. A "yes" vote could just as easily mean that they would support a candidate because of their anti-gun stance.

Stupid question, and a terribly anti- slanted article.

October 14, 2008, 02:19 PM
The question is really asking "are you a single issue voter"

October 14, 2008, 03:55 PM
Yes,I am.The 2nd is the deal breaker.You could vote to close the borders,lower taxes,and promise me a good paying job,and if you don't stand tall for the 2nd,you're not getting MY vote.Period.It's that important.

October 14, 2008, 06:47 PM

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