[John Ross]

Here's the new law.

http://www.house.state.mo.us/bills03/biltxt/truly/HB0349T.HTM

Relevant facts:

8 hours training (can be done in one day.)

$100 issuance/$50 renewal, each good for 3 years.

Reciprocity with EVERY other state's permit system.

Minimum age 23 (for the MISSOURI permit. Under 23 out-of-state is honored.) This was an amendment from one of our enemies, Ken Jacob (D-Columbia) in the Senate. He has been opposed ever since Suzanne Gratia (now -Hupp) ripped him a new one on this issue in Committee hearing when it first came up in 1992. He thought it would kill the bill. It didn't.

Lots of people have been involved with this over the last 12 years, but if Greg Jeffery of GCLA had ever gotten burnt out, we wouldn't have CCW today. Period. As far as I'm concerned, every applicant ought to send him $10 for being the tireless draft horse that he was.

JR

JR

[GregoryTech]

Reciprocity with EVERY other state's permit system

MO recognizes every other state, but it's not neccessarily reciprocated by the other state.

[S_O_Laban]

Thanks for posting this, John.:) For those that are interested his link does include the specifics on training requirements and the appeal process.

[Henry Bowman]

This is much more than a symbolic milestone and, hopefully, will send a message to Gov. Taft :barf: of Ohio.

[mpthole]

John Ross said,Reciprocity with EVERY other state's permit system. Does that mean if I'm a WI resident and have a non-resident MN permit, I'm covered in MO? Or do only resident permits have reciprocity?

I read the text of the bill and couldn't find any distinguishing language between resident and non-resident in regards to reciprocity.

[hd1.]

What is the effective date? Is this effective immediately?

[mpthole]

Law will take effect in 30 days.

[El Tejon]

Hooray for Missouri! (I can't say it enough).

There are a couple of young & nubile in Saint Louie that I need to look up!:cool::D

[bogie]

John, don't be so humble... I'm pretty sure you've contributed a lot too... Along with Greg, et al, more than a few folks have been through the wringer... It's been long and rough. My thanks to all. All who have given money, time, and their patience in calls and communications to legislators.

[John Ross]

"Does that mean if I'm a WI resident and have a non-resident MN permit, I'm covered in MO? "


YES.

JR, the .500 Specialist

[bogie]

Oh, and John...

Have you bought a shoulder holster, and counterweight, for that howitzer yet?

"Yeah, that's JR - he hasn't always walked stooped to the left - that's just recent..."

[John Ross]

When I finish the de-comped, de-lugged 5" version, it's going to Ken Null for an IWB holster, along with my FN 5.7, Glock 18, Stechkin, and S&W 329.

Just because.

Go to

http://www.john-ross.net/images/Cust500.jpg

to see a de-comped, de-lugged 8 3/8". Balance is 100% better. Recoil only very slightly worse.



JR, the .500 Specialist

[Gray Peterson]

John Ross,

I'm guessing that you were the one who got LTC started. I think you said so.

Would I be correct that even if you're a Missouri resident, you can get an out of state permit to carry to carry in Missouri?

Obvious choice for an out of state permit would be Florida, in that case, because it's valuable for reciprocity. It's more expensve, but the training course is much less onerous.

John, what's the minimum age to possess and buy a pistol in MO? If it's 18, then the choice of a non-resident permit to carry is Maine. :p

[bogie]

Hell, John, if you ever get mugged...

1) you'll be missing your eyebrows...

2) what's left of your assailant will be missing his...

3) the geology department over at SLU will have a fit over their seismograph!

[John Ross]

"John Ross, I'm guessing that you were the one who got LTC started."

In 1992 a friend of mine (who prefers anonymity) and I put up $10K each and hired a lobbyist, who assured us we could get a good CCW bill passed with his help. I do not believe he misled us in any way. NONE of us were prepared for the massive resistance we got from so many directions. We thought we'd have it easy like nearby Indiana had in the mid-70s. Wrong.

By the next year, I hired only a part-time lobbyist because grassroots had grown so much with the 1992 push, and frankly I was a little tight with the birth of my daughter. We kept plugging with part-time help and ever more volunteers in 1993 and succeeding years.

The details could fill a book, but suffice it to say we always had a huge majority in the house, but less support in the Senate, and ALWAYS an anti-rights Governor to deal with. The Governor was always promising prisons and other favors to get the legislators to run out the clock before similar but nonidentical CCW bills that had passed in House and Senate could be reconciled. This happened several times.

Every year we told the legislators we would be back with more support and more votes the next year, and we always were.

By 1995 I was spending an average of two days a week in the State Capitol, January though May. This was not good for my earnings.

By 1998 or so I was burned out enough that I cut back on my efforts to the point of not going to Jefferson City except on rare occasions and mainly just made phone calls, wrote editorials, and spoke at rallies. By this time there were a lot of other people putting in long hours, but I still felt a little guilty.

The person who from Day One through today always gave as much of his time as I did at my absolute peak is Greg Jeffery, author of large parts of the existing law and Legislative Liason for the Gateway Civil Liberties Alliance. Greg used to be head of the Second Amendment Coalition of Missouri (SACMo) but left to form GCLA when a SACMo board member got support from other board members (misguided, IMO) to change the basic nature of SACMo from one of volunteers to one of paid positions, with leased office space, etc.

Greg and a lot of others walked, as they (and I) felt that 100% of the money we raised should go to pay for things like buses for getting people to rallies, lawyers to mount legal challenges to anti-rights laws, advertising, etc. We didn't want Grassroots to try to become a mini-NRA in Missouri, because we believed that salaries would eat up all fundraising monies.

GCLA was and is 100% volunteer with minimal overhead. I donated a personal pre-ban AR-15 and a signed first edition of UC for a GCLA raffle and it raised something like $8000 in donations. This kind of dough is very effective when all of it is put to good use.

I will take credit for pulling out my crowbar and getting the rock out of its 129-year-old rut 12 years ago, but thousands of people kept pushing the rock *hard*, long after I trudged back to the showers. No one pushed harder, longer, or more effectively than Greg Jeffery.

"Would I be correct that even if you're a Missouri resident, you can get an out of state permit to carry to carry in Missouri?"

Yes. This is correct.

"John, what's the minimum age to possess and buy a pistol in MO?"

You know, I'm not sure. I'd have to look at the statutes. I *think* you can inherit or be given a handgun by a parent at 18, and use it without supervision. I don't think you can legally buy one from a private party. Dealer purchase is out.

"If it's 18, then the choice of a non-resident permit to carry is Maine."

I'll take your word for it.


JR, the .500 Specialist

[El Tejon]

John, that is truly humbling. Maybe Missourians should refer to their LTC as "Ross Rights.":D

[Gray Peterson]

You have to get a permit to acquire a concealable firearm from your sheriff. The minimum age for a permit to acquire is 21.

Damn, so under 21 carry is out.

In that case, get a Florida permit. :p

[John Ross]

"You have to get a permit to acquire a concealable firearm from your sheriff. The minimum age for a permit to acquire is 21."

Well, yes, if you acquire the handgun by *buying it in Missouri*. If you already owned the gun when you moved into Missouri from some other state, for example, no permit is involved.

I believe a parental gift of a handgun to a son or daughter between the ages of 18 and 21 is acceptable in Missouri without a "Permit to Purchase," but I could be wrong.


JR, the .500 Specialist