Mosin Nagant M44: Muzzle Break or Butt/Recoil Pad?


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sjann1
October 7, 2008, 04:30 PM
Since picking up my 1945 M44 in early August, I've been out to the range three times with it, putting 50, 50, and 40 rounds through it respectively, with the resulting bruised/sore shoulder each time! Any recommendations as to which of the available options works best at reducing the kick, which in turn might improve my groupings: muzzle break? Butt/recoil pad? Both? Other? Or remain a purist?
Thanks!

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Funderb
October 7, 2008, 04:47 PM
I find that a slip on recoil pad in any brand makes it downright pleasant to shoot. Muzzle brakes tend to get shot off if you dont destroy the rifle threading the barrel for one.

Better yet, get a monte carlo stock, about 60 bucks for it, and go out and have fun.

Cosmoline
October 7, 2008, 04:47 PM
Get a bigger Mosin or stick a pad on it. I would not try to use one of those brakes.

Vaarok
October 7, 2008, 05:49 PM
Brakes break. Average maybe four rounds before they shatter and go flying downrange. Waste of money.

jad0110
October 7, 2008, 05:53 PM
I've heard the "small" size Limbsaver works very well ... my 2 cents.

SimpleIsGood229
October 7, 2008, 06:14 PM
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but proper technique will eliminate bruising. Of course, if you're shooting off a bench, there's only so much you can do.

Between a brake and a pad, I say get the pad. Why pay around $100 to mount a brake on a $100 gun??

railroader
October 7, 2008, 11:00 PM
I use slip recoil pads(medium) on my mosins. The ones I have are pachmayr but butler creek makes them too. http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/PAD223-1.html Mark


http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/PAD-223.jpg

Floppy_D
October 7, 2008, 11:07 PM
Slip on pad, firm pull into shoulder and good cheek weld should fix the problem.

Bartkowski
October 7, 2008, 11:28 PM
If anything just get a slip on recoil pad, they help a lot when shooting from a bench. You could just be holding it wrong though....if you don't have it in your shoulder right and tightly you will get beat up.

y5e06
October 7, 2008, 11:55 PM
http://www.combathunting.com/MOSIN_NAGANT-Mosin_Nagant_Rubber_Butt_Pad.html

I've seen them on another site but can't recall specifics. Looks like decent option for keeping mil stock and easing the shoulder shock.


Morgan

alemonkey
October 8, 2008, 12:08 AM
+1 on technique. Get the butt over onto your pectoral muscle, not right onto your shoulder.

Shooting offhand helps immensely, too.

SGW42
October 8, 2008, 12:11 AM
I use a Past recoil pad that I wear on my body instead of slipping something on the gun. I can use it for other gun that have a kick to them.

I think I look like a dork at the range but I have full use of my right arm afterwards and it makes it a ton of fun to shoot.

Palo
October 8, 2008, 12:30 AM
+ Another for the pad. We use the same ones as Railroader and they work great.

Just FYI, this isn't a muzzle brake, but we have a couple of MN and were trying to come up with a cost effective way to reduce the muzzle flash at night (which frankly they look like a howitzer firing). We found that the aftermarket (not mil-spec) clamp on M-1 carbine cone shape flash hiders fit the MN carbines! Really helps keeping the blast and flash "down range" and "side blast" isn't an issue to fellow shooters on the firing line anymore. Helps as well for reaquiring the target at night. A plus being that it doesn't require any perm mods to the rifle, just clamp it on, tighten the wing nut and fire at will. Just something to consider.:)

pinstripe
October 8, 2008, 01:38 AM
Wingnut? Both my mosins would melt those wings. Wingnut:rolleyes:

specialk123
October 8, 2008, 01:43 AM
I bought a $8 slip on neoprene buttpad for my Mosin and I could shoot all day with that and not feel a thing. Its great! Well worth the $8 and not having to modify my classic gun.

Geronimo45
October 8, 2008, 01:51 AM
I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but proper technique will eliminate bruising.
This has been the case for me. Good technique with arms and shoulders help avoid bruising there. Weird footwork from a semi-crouching position can cause recoil from a round of birdshot to knock you on your rear, however. I've done it before. :p

rangerruck
October 8, 2008, 02:12 AM
butler creek, SMALL SIZE SLIP ON PAD!!!!! costs about 8 bucks....

Phil DeGraves
October 8, 2008, 10:47 AM
Shoot only 10 or 20 at each range trip. It's less expensive and you reduce the cumulative effects of recoil...

j.crippler
October 8, 2008, 12:44 PM
gggg

Coronach
October 8, 2008, 12:53 PM
Pad + technique.

I see no reason to endure recoil for the amusement value. If a rifle kicks hard, I try to alter my technique to see if it is more pleasant. If that fails, I use a shoulder pad. Manly men with detached retinas the world over will claim that this makes you a sissy, but whatever. Let's face it, if you're shooting a milsurp, you're doing it for pleasure. Pleasure should not be painful.

Err, at least in this area.

Mike ;)

ETA: I doubt that technique alone will make the M44 pleasant to shoot. Bearable? Yes. Managable? Certainly. Comfortable? Probably not.

Franco2shoot
October 8, 2008, 12:55 PM
+1 to Alemonkey... I shoot nearly 70 rounds each time between the M44 and 91/30. At first I was putting the butt plate out near the end of the shoulder, but found it much more accurate when pulled in and held tightly against the peck...
KKKKFL

Claude Clay
October 8, 2008, 01:03 PM
Real men shot a mosin and use Irish Spring. :cool:
others use a pad and Ivory soap :rolleyes:

stripped a PAST of its attachments and had it sewn into a well worn CC vest :D

mosins and K31s keep on ticken, but i'm tired of takin a licken

foghornl
October 8, 2008, 02:13 PM
My solution:

A <$10 Butler Creek 'slip-on' recoil pad.

Not sure, but I have heard rumor of Soviet Army cooks using M-44's as meat tenderizers....slide a slab between M-44 butt plate and shoulder...blaze away.

:evil: :D :evil: :D :evil: :D

Scottish_Lord
October 8, 2008, 02:55 PM
I have a M44 and I use a small size Pachmayer shoulder pad.

SoCalShooter
October 8, 2008, 03:01 PM
The recoil is there so the shooter understands what communist oppression feels like.

Scottish_Lord
October 8, 2008, 03:05 PM
Plus, I like the muzzle blast. I think it's awesome. When I take this gun deer hunting, I like the thought that I can fell and cook my prey at the same time.

If you are not firing with the bayonet extended, you need to do so. Not extending the bayonet will throw off your POI by a couple of inches or so. They were designed to be fired with the bayonet out, as it was Red Army policy for them to do so at all times when not in a vehicle.

Beagle-zebub
October 8, 2008, 03:09 PM
I've heard the "small" size Limbsaver works very well ... my 2 cents.

The "medium" one fit on both of mine. I'd be surprised if the small one fit, given the tightness of the medium.

To be sure, though, it worked great.

ColinthePilot
October 8, 2008, 03:55 PM
Man up and take it! :neener:

Just kidding, of course. I found that I can shoot my M38 all day as long as I'm not shooting from a bench. It slams my shoulder if I'm shooting from a bench, but standing is very comfortable because the force goes into muscle, not bone.

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