Looking for a sub compact 9mm


October 7, 2008, 07:21 PM
i have a FNP-9 right now. it's ultra reliable and a fine pistol but a little too big for CCW (for me). Will keep it as a HD and range gun.

it's about the same size as a Glock 19 from what i can tell.

Looking for something smaller. . Not a Glock.....they are great but dont fit well in my hand.

my 2 criteria are: ultra reliable with HP rounds......and at least 8rd mag. Say....did i mention ultra reliable w/HP ammo?:)

Any suggestions?


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October 7, 2008, 07:57 PM
I know you can make a Sig P6 100% shooting HP's with a little tweaking. Nice pistols and cheap. Dont have any first hand experience with them though. Nice small, solid gun though.

October 7, 2008, 07:57 PM
Kahr Arms PM-9.
Normally comes with a 6 round magazine, but with the 7 round magazine (extended pinky shelf) it's just one round off your 8 round limit.

It's about the same size as the Glock 26 but thinner.

October 7, 2008, 08:03 PM




October 7, 2008, 08:09 PM
I carry a PM9 everyday with the standard 6rd mag. I do have 7 and 8rd mags that fit it also, they just hang out the bottom further.

Keltec PF9 is 7+1, the P11 is 10+1 both are 9mm.

Then you have the "bigger" small guns like Glock 26, XDsc, M&Pc, and CZ 2075Rami all of which are double stack and carry at least 10rds I believe. But of course they are thicker and will be slightly harder to conceal compared to a pocket nine.

October 7, 2008, 08:12 PM
Fits the bill ..........CZ RAMI 9mm . WVleo

October 7, 2008, 08:58 PM
Kel-tec P11.

Ugly as sin, but it'll work when you need it.

October 7, 2008, 09:42 PM
Secretly, adapt to the Glock 26..

October 7, 2008, 09:47 PM
i know this is a stupid question but is the 10rnd keltec a double stacker?

October 7, 2008, 09:51 PM
Anybody carry an XD sub?

October 7, 2008, 09:57 PM
Check out the Bersa Thunder 9 Ultracompact (though it certainly isn't Ultracompact).

October 7, 2008, 10:01 PM
i reccomend the sa xd sc, i have one and i love it, it has almost 2k rds through it and it is 100% reliable, with anything and everything that i have shot through it, and i have shot more jhp's through that gun than any other i have ever owned. they are reliable, accurate, soft shooting, and easy to carry.

October 7, 2008, 10:48 PM

Thar ya go sir

October 7, 2008, 10:53 PM
au1776 - I carry the XD SC 9mm all the time in a IWB holster - works go for me

October 7, 2008, 10:55 PM
kahr CW9. I carry it every day. It feeds on any ammo and loves the + stuff too.

October 7, 2008, 10:59 PM
You like your FNP-9, how about an FNP-9M?

October 8, 2008, 02:59 AM
is the 10rnd keltec a double stacker?


October 8, 2008, 03:32 AM
Anybody carry an XD sub?

I carry an XD sub but in .40 and I love it. It performs reliably and fits nice for it's size. I was in the market for a smaller gun than my P2000. I looked at the Glock 26 but my hand was too big for it. My pinky just fits on the 9 round mag on the XD and it's nice cuz you can get the 12 rounders with the grip extension for a more comfortable gun while shooting at the range.

October 8, 2008, 03:34 AM
I too have XD9 subcompact....can't complain about it. If it fits your hand, buy it!

October 8, 2008, 10:31 AM
While it is not a sub compact look at the Kahr T-9. 8 round mag in a small package. Option two is the Kahr P-9. You can load it with the 8 round T-9 mag.

I have a PM-9, but prefer the P-9 to it.

October 8, 2008, 11:34 AM
You like your FNP-9, how about an FNP-9M?

I was going to say the same thing, I have an FNP-9M and I love it, I have been carrying it more than any other gun. In an MTAC for the USP 40, it disappears but is fairly easy to draw from. I have the forward belt attachment at the lowest setting, and the rearward at the center or second lowest hole, both work very well, the second lowest hole makes for an even better time concealing and lets me wear it a little more forwards on my side, while the center hole allows an easier draw but is still very well hidden.

It is only about a quarter inch shorter than your FNP, only gives up one round of capacity, but in the MTAC that gun is invisible and comfortable.

October 8, 2008, 11:36 AM
Kel-tec P11.

Ugly as sin, but it'll work when you need it.

I don't know if I would call a P11 ugly as sin. There are definitely prettier guns out there, but the P11 is not ugly. Now the High Points...those are ugly.

October 8, 2008, 12:00 PM
Hk P7m8

October 14, 2008, 05:09 PM
Kahr CW9 with the 8-rd mag. Best value out there. And you can pocket carry it, though a PM9 would be better for pocket. But they may not be as reliable.

October 14, 2008, 05:20 PM
Thanks for the replies re: the XD. A friend of mine just picked up one in 9, so I'll try it out in the next week or so.

Rex B
October 14, 2008, 06:41 PM
Don't write off the P11.
Not much lighter, in production over 10 years so it's proven.
Quite accurate. 12 round magazine, and can use 15-rnd S&W 59XX mags.
Mine is hard chrome slide over navy blue grip frame.
$275 or less brand new, lifetime warranty

October 14, 2008, 07:20 PM
My favorite handgun to carry is an XD9SC, in a Crossbreed Supertuck holster. Just disappears.

October 14, 2008, 07:42 PM
SPringfield Armory EMP - Enhanced Micro Pistol
Scaled down for 9mmx19 1911 Single stack
magazine, 9 round capacity. has an extended ramp
for reliable feeding. Ambi thumb safety.

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and in action



October 15, 2008, 01:18 PM
The Walther PPS is a superb pistol and definitely warrants a look, if not outright consideration. Good luck in your hunt.

October 15, 2008, 01:24 PM
Are you looking for belt carry or pocket carry? For pocket carry, I like my Kahr PM9. For belt carry, you could consider the Kahr K9. No, neither will meet your 8 round requirement.

October 15, 2008, 01:42 PM

Can't say enough about dependability, reliability, and accuracy, out of NIB of my SA EMP SAO 1911 9mm.. Comes with wood grips, night sights, 3 mags, with a load of 9+1..

124gr JHP's, are my choice with her, and she has gone some 3400 flawless rounds to-date.

Worth the money invested IMO, along with, being just a joy to shoot, and share with range buddy's whose eyes always go :what: after they handle it and shoot it..



October 15, 2008, 02:02 PM
Look into the S&W 908 or 3913. Both are single stack DA 9mm. Both have sterling reputations for dependability with anything you put in them. Highly recommended.

October 15, 2008, 02:34 PM
Subcompact 9mm?

I use my CS9 for that role.


I used the reliability of my CS9 as the benchmark against which I measured the reliability of my then-new G26. The G26 almost meets the standard. ;)

The only problem is that S&W recently discontinued the CS9 (and CS45) from its commercial product catalog, restricting it to LE order/production, although they can still be found, at least for a while.

Being a TDA (traditional double action, or DA/SA if you prefer), not everyone may find them to their liking as far as trigger design/function is concerned.

These things are rather subjective, though, and different folks have different desires and preferences.

October 15, 2008, 02:48 PM
I've got an XD 9 sub-compact that I have with me pretty much at all times.

It has had no failures of any kind since I got it. It's still fairly new, however, with a little over 500 rounds through it. It's plenty accurate out to about 10 yards, past that and the groups really open up.

It has had no issues with any JHP's I've put through it. It currently has the +P version of the 147gr Ranger Bonded JHP's: RA9B/Q4364 is the non +P designation.

October 15, 2008, 07:03 PM
Subcompat and 8-round mags don't go together in my book. Kahr PM9 would be my choice, carried with a 6-round mag, with a 7 or 8 round spare.

October 15, 2008, 08:42 PM
3rd generation sub compacts S&W 9's are great also if price isnt a problem then go for the walther pps for sure :D

October 17, 2008, 11:11 AM
Kahr PM9

October 17, 2008, 12:30 PM
Walther PPS

Claude Clay
October 17, 2008, 12:33 PM
P 11 is staggered mag. but still only 1 inch wide. I'll go with it works over elegance. 10+1 in a 1 pound package.

October 17, 2008, 02:02 PM
Kahr PM9 with one in the pipe 7 rounds. Thats enough for me. Best pocket rocket I ever carried..

October 17, 2008, 11:42 PM
Another vote for the PM9.

October 19, 2008, 12:32 AM
Another vote for the Keltec P11...plain, simple, and effective.

October 19, 2008, 12:57 AM
I highly recommend the S&W M&Pc. They are not the smallest sub compacts, but they are as reliable as Glocks yet more comfortable. And have better sights.

I've given up the idea of pocket carry for a few reasons. My jean pockets are too small and you have to sacrifice too much in performance with the true pocket sub-calibers.

October 19, 2008, 01:24 AM
Sorry, but in this arena the Glock 26 rules IMHO. You can always get the extensions for the mag baseplate if grip is a problem.

XD-40 Shooter
October 19, 2008, 01:22 PM
I'm a fan of the XD's, I have a full size 40 and love it. I'd go with XD subcompact.

Marcus L.
October 19, 2008, 01:25 PM
I recommend the Sig P239 9mm. Very reliable, accurate, and well designed pistol. I've put over 20k rounds through mine without a single malfunction and it shoots better than a lot of compact pistols.

October 19, 2008, 01:52 PM
If the G 26 is out, try a S&W Chief Special. I don't have any first hand knowledge of the gun, but since it's a slightly smaller cousin to the 3913 and 908. Both are primo compacts and I don't expect a CS9 would disappoint.

October 19, 2008, 04:20 PM
With out a doubt, a Kahr PM9 or a Walther PPS.

TBS, the S&W CS9 is way cooler, if you could find one.

October 19, 2008, 05:36 PM
I've extensively shot a PF9 and P11, and owned an M&P 9c and a Kahr CW9. I've had no malfunctions in any of these pistols.

The Kahr was easiest to carry and easiest to shoot well (for me).

October 19, 2008, 05:41 PM
I've extensively shot a PF9 and P11, and owned an M&P 9c and a Kahr CW9. I've had no malfunctions in any of these pistols.

The Kahr was easiest to carry and easiest to shoot well (for me).

I had a PF9 and also a P11 and now own a K9 and PM9 and I completely agree that the Kahrs are far superior, but if funds are limited, the KelTecs will do the job.

October 19, 2008, 05:52 PM
my 2 criteria are: ultra reliable with HP rounds......and at least 8rd mag. Say....did i mention ultra reliable w/HP ammo?

I'd also offer that 'ultra reliable' is something that needs to be considered from a practical perspective.

Talk to enough folks in the instruction/training/repair/service/gunsmithing field and you'll generally hear that the significant majority of firearms 'functioning problems' are often user/shooter-related. I've often heard it placed, percentage-wise, in the 90-95% range as far as occurrence. Maybe so.

This makes it a bit difficult when it comes to making definitive statements about the 'reliability' of some semiauto pistols. What works acceptably reliably in the hands of one user/shooter may not necessarily lend itself to similar 'reliable functioning' in the hands of another person.

Handling & test-firing a prospective example, with a suitable selection of ammunition anticipated being used by the potential owner, is certainly something to be considered ... presuming it's possible ... but it's not a guarantee the same results will be obtained with another gun/ammunition combination, even in the hands of the same person.

October 19, 2008, 05:54 PM
G26 rules??? sure won't ride in my front pocket like my PM9 G26 almost 20 ounces, more capacity,yes certainly bigger all the way around.

A great gun for IWB Or OWB if thatis what you want. Love my G19 but sure not my go to every day carry...

October 24, 2008, 06:47 AM
Another vote for the Walther PPS

October 24, 2008, 08:42 AM
I'd recommend one of these;


The Kahr and HK P7 are slimmer single stack.
The HK P2000SK is a chunkier double stack.

All three are reliable, accurate, handle all ammo I've fed them and have other great features.

October 24, 2008, 08:59 AM
If you need small, Walther PPS. If you want a compact, I will suggest the M&P compacts.

The Lone Haranguer
October 24, 2008, 11:36 AM
The S&W M&P compact is rather "chunky," but the height and length are very compact. It comes with a flat-base and finger-extension magazine, both holding 12 rounds (in 9mm). The H&K P2000SK is about the same size and capacity and looks nice, but costs 50% more.

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