What gun were you the most disappointed with???
TonyB
September 12, 2003, 09:50 AM
What gun did you HAVE to have,save up to buy,only to be disappointed with??And which did you have low expectations and were pleasantly surprised?
For me,I always wanted a 1911....found a Combat Commander for $350....hated it!The beavertail made my hand bleed every time I shot it,ammo too expensive,only shot fmj,jammed and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.Traded it for a Glock17...(which I love)
On the other hand,I bought a Taurus pt99 to get started in IDPA.$300 used,I had pretty low expectations.This gun turned out to be 100% reliable,accurate as anything I ever shot AND I can go cocked and locked.....:cool:
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Silent Bob
September 12, 2003, 09:53 AM
Kimber Ultra Eclipse. The most expensive, and the worst gun I have ever bought. I swear it was possessed. It couldn't get through one magazine without a malfunction, even after 500 rounds had been fired through it as a break-in. Failures to return to battery, failures to extract, failures to eject, failures to feed, slide locking open prematurely, slide failing to lock open after firing the first shot. Granted most of these problems could be traced to the extractor and magazine, but the whole experience left a bad aftertaste.
RWK
September 12, 2003, 10:33 AM
H&K USP Tactical: cost almost $1000 and NEVER performed as well as other .45 ACP autoloaders (Springfields, Colts, Kimbers, Sigs, even Glocks) that cost considerably less.
Ala Dan
September 12, 2003, 11:08 AM
I hate to admit it, but a NIB SIGARMS .40 caliber P229!:(
I just never could obtain the result's from this weapon
that would equal the results of my .45 caliber SIG-Sauer
P220A.:rolleyes: :D
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Al Thompson
September 12, 2003, 12:02 PM
H&R 999 (IIRC). The 9 shot top break .22. So-so accuracy and a horrible trigger pull. I really liked the style and looks, just wasn't a keeper. :mad:
RepublicanMan
September 12, 2003, 12:05 PM
Glock G23, at least 2 FTF (light strikes on the primer) per mag even AFTER being sent back in and "repaired" by Smyrna. Wasn't ammo sensitive either, did it with all I tried in it. Did it from a bench vise as well so it wasn't a wrist issue.
Most surprised, SW 908.....never expected the quality I got for the price I paid.
Skunkabilly
September 12, 2003, 12:07 PM
Kimber "Custom" :rolleyes: Stainless Target II
tomkatz
September 12, 2003, 12:24 PM
Kimber ultra ten II, FTF all over the place.....I had it worked on(for free) to make it reliable then I sold it....tom
4v50 Gary
September 12, 2003, 12:52 PM
S&W 4506. Horrible muzzle blast when fired from the hip. Accuracy was below that of the Sig P220 too. Would barely qualify with that gun and was happy as a clam when the Sig came back (had the slide milled for nite sights).
10-Ring
September 12, 2003, 01:53 PM
For me it was a SIG 220 in 45acp. Fell FAR short of the reputation it has :(
SnWnMe
September 12, 2003, 03:06 PM
Glock 22. Mine never did run 100%. I also cannot fire it weak hand without malfunctions. I stuck with what works, my 1911.
tomkatz
September 12, 2003, 03:35 PM
pleasantly surprised=Norinco .45.......I bought one in the mid 90s brand new for $259.00 and it ran perfectly from day one, wish I still had it.....tom
BigG
September 12, 2003, 04:14 PM
Walther PPK, all show, no go. :rolleyes:
Sean Smith
September 12, 2003, 04:21 PM
Biggest disappointment: Para Ordnance P14-45. Bought it before I knew better than to buy cast Canadian slag guns. Unreliable on a spectacular scale, and expensive to boot.
Glock 35 was pretty close... as a former Glock 23 owner, I was disturbed to discover that the "competition model" :rolleyes: was the least accurate autoloader I've owned (then or since). I know it was Glock's fault, because replacing the barrel with a KKM made the groups shrink to microscopic size instantly. It turns out that sometimes the saying "It's the shooter, not the gun" is patently false.
Pleasant surprises? Got a new-rollmark Colt 01991 that was awesome. Reliable as hell and very accuate with a great trigger right out of the box. Once got a beat-up SIG P210 that looked ugly and was cheap (for a SIG P210), but shot like a handmade bullseye gun.
Berg01
September 12, 2003, 04:30 PM
The jury is still out on my CZ 75B .40 S&W; the handfit and balance is excellent, the gun is accurate, but the intermittent FTRB and FTE jams on win whitebox were a concern. The internal finish (toolmarks on the barrel throat), and the Mec Gar factory mags left a little to be desired, but for a gun at this pricepoint, totally "to be expected".
I'm not giving up on it though, the gun has a lot of real good points going for it, so the gun is currently being fixed at my local gunsmith, and I have assurances that the gun will run when I get it back.
kmays
September 12, 2003, 04:41 PM
Probably the Kel-Tec P11. It had the longest, hardest trigger I've ever used. Replacing the hammer spring helped some but not nearly enough. The rear sight had to be drifted half out of its dovetail for the bullets to impact at POA. After a couple hundred rounds, the barrel hood began peening something awful. The inside of the slide near the ejection port had a distinctive rainbow coloring where I assume the heat treat was botched.
It sat in my safe, untrusted and unused, for a few years until I finally got rid of it.
The Glock 23 comes in a close second place. I never could find a good accurate load for that gun, and it stung like hell shooting full powered ammo. Damn finger grooves just made things worse. Traded it for a second generation G19 and couldn't be happier.
M58
September 12, 2003, 04:53 PM
My first Sig; was a 220; would not feed hollow points.
My 228 and 239 are great!
Dorrin79
September 12, 2003, 04:59 PM
Kel-Tec P11
I thought it was the coolest thing since sliced bread - a locked-breech 9x19 that was smaller and lighter than it had any right to be. Got a good deal on a lightly used one at a gun show. Was a happy camper until I started shooting it...
Why? Worst trigger pull of any gun ever. A friend of mine who tried shooting it described it as "trying to work one of those hand-squeeze exercisers with just one finger". Judging by how bad my hand cramps after just two magazines through it, I'd say that's about right.
It's also extremely inaccurate. Whether this is just a consequence of having the Worst Trigger Ever or an intrinsic property of the gun I am not sure. It doesn't so much 'group' as it does 'pattern'. My targets look like I've been blasting away with buckshot - and that's at short distances (7 yds?) Either way, in the box it stays until I can afford a Kahr K9, at which point it will be traded towards the new purchase.
I will say this much though - mine is very reliable. It has been trouble free through about 300 rounds fired.
Pleasantly surprised? The used Bersa Thunder .380 I bought on a lark (and have since given to my mother as a gift). Great, great little gun. Vastly better in every way than I had expected.
Daniel T
September 12, 2003, 05:55 PM
CZ-75B.
Bad trigger, FTFs all the time from both the factory 15 and 10 round mags, consistently shot low and to the right at 7 yards. Got rid of it.
Didn't sour me on CZ as a manufacturer though, I still want a 97B and a RAMI.
David4516
September 12, 2003, 06:09 PM
Kel-Tecs. Hate the triggers. Good thing I didn't buy one, I've only shot other peoples. I thought they'd be really cool, but I don't see what all the hype is about. Sure they are small, but other than that I don't see any advantage to one...
"which did you have low expectations and were pleasantly surprised?"
Makarov. I let my dad talk me into buying one, but I wasn't expecting much from a handgun that cost less than $150. Boy was I wrong. This thing is so reliable it's amazing. A few thosand rounds latter without any jams or failures, and I was hooked. Now I'm a major Mak addict, I want to buy another one as soon as I have more spending cash...
Devonai
September 12, 2003, 06:17 PM
I was rather disappointed with the Ruger Mini-30. The scope rings wouldn't stay fastened, and I couldn't find any reliable magazines for it. I sold it and later got a M1 Carbine which is what I really wanted in the first place.
My dad bought a Kel-Tec P40 which neither of us liked very much. The trigger pull was terrible and it was impossible to control after the first shot. My dad offered it to me for free and I still declined.
sm
September 12, 2003, 06:32 PM
Another H&R 999 user here. Yep agree with Al -kinda neat but didn't hold up. Fixed twice and then traded.
Charter Arms .44 spl.BullDog . I like the caliber-a lot. Gun didn't hold up, traded.
hawk0484
September 12, 2003, 06:53 PM
...and sold Beretta Tomcat.
Recoil was too "snappy", didn't like the grips, didn't like the trigger pull on the 1st shot.
Sold it after owning it only 5 months and bought a S&W Model 65 LadySmith that is probably my favorite shooting handgun.
Becky
Pappy John
September 12, 2003, 07:05 PM
Toss-up between my Tomcat and my PPK/S. Just the trigger on the Tomcat and the grip on the Walther. I always had to remember to grab it low....if I took a natural grip on it blood would flow on the first shot.
firestar
September 12, 2003, 07:14 PM
My dad bought a Kel-Tec P40 which neither of us liked very much. The trigger pull was terrible and it was impossible to control after the first shot. My dad offered it to me for free and I still declined.
:D :D :D Now that is BAD! :D :D :D
For me it was a Kel-Tec P-32. Great idea but many FTE jams and critical parts breakage showed it could not be trusted for a CCW. What else is a P-32 good for if it is not reliable enough to use as a CCW? Its not like you can target shoot or hunt with it and plinking is too expensive and unconfortable with the .32acp. Absolutly worthless gun for any use.:barf:
Some of the guns I have been surprised by and I ended up likeing more than I thought I would have been my Beretta 92fs (no jams ever and super smooth), Star Firestar (crazy accurate), Star Model B (just fun to shoot and feels good in my hand), S&W M-19 (nuff said), Ruger Speed Six (nearly as good as a S&W and in some ways a little better.
stans
September 12, 2003, 07:25 PM
So far, my biggest disappointment has been with a recently acquired Smith & Wesson 4506. It was unreliable, but I think that is due to weak springs since stretching the springs (I know, should not do it, but I had nothing to lose) made the gun 100% reliable. It is only combat accurate, about 3 to 4 inches at 25 yards, and since the bore is tighter at the chamber than at the muzzle, I don't think it will ever do any better. The stock grips were slippery and the gun twists in my hands. It has a bunch of sharp edges. The gun shoots about 2 inches low at 25 yards and since it has night sights, filing is not possible. Holsters have become harder to find for this piece.
I have put a set of Hogue rubber grips on this gun to see if that will control the twisting action. If I can get a good handle on this gun, I might invest in some new magazines and a new barrel as well as all new springs. It does have a good trigger pull and I am sure it is one strong 45 ACP and could easily digest +P ammo, maybe even 45 Super with a strong recoil spring and a buffer.
Standing Wolf
September 12, 2003, 08:56 PM
My gold-plated High Standard Victor: one of the prettier guns I own, but reliable? Well, no.
Walther P99
September 12, 2003, 11:55 PM
My biggest disappointment was my P7M8, but the gun wasn't the problem - it was great. The problem was my hand wasn't strong enough to hold the cocking lever down for any more than a few seconds, then it relaxed involuntarily.
All of my other guns have been good; I've never had low expectation of any of them. At first, my I was a little worried about my P99, but once I broke it in, it's been running great. And my CS45 has impressed me quite a bit, even more than I expected. :)
V-fib
September 13, 2003, 01:00 AM
Taurus PT-22. Literally fell apart after a couple weeks of use. Not very accurate, jammed allot. Sent it back to Taurus and after it came back I traded it for a Ruger Sp101. However I do have a Taurus 94 .22lr snub which functions very well and is a keeper
:cool:
boing
September 13, 2003, 01:39 AM
Biggest Disappointment:
Colt Commander, a little pre-NRM. Just wouldn't run.
Honorable mention: Sig P228. Great gun in all respects, I just can't do a damn thing with it.
Biggest Surprise:
Kel-Tec P11. Reliable, accurate enough, possibly the most useful gun I've ever owned, and the least fun.
Fed168
September 13, 2003, 02:01 AM
A Sig 230. It sliced my hand open every time I shot it- apparently my paws are too big for the gun.
Bummer on the 4506s- mine runs like a champ.
Spieler
September 13, 2003, 02:36 AM
In my heyday of buying, selling and trading semi-auto 'assault-type' weapons, I just HAD TO HAVE an HK91! Quality German engineering and craftsmanship couldn't be wrong, could it? I didn't keep it for very long! Compared to everything else I had at the time the '91 just didn't 'feel' right for me. The ergonomics were all bad, but it did gobble up every kind of cheap surplus .308 ammo I could scrounge. I had been spoiled by my FAL though. I saved up all those many months for naught.
I bought a used Olympic Arms CAR-15A2 rifle from a GI at Ft. Bragg who said if was a POS and wouldn't go through a whole mag without some sort or failure. Since I bought it cheap and considering the sellers comments, I didn't expect much, but a quick replacement of the extractor and all was peachy! I've had it for ten years now and have absolute faith in that rifle. All for want of a $16 replacement part!:)
Oops.....forgot I'm in the handguns forum!:o
Biggest disappointment there was another HK, my USP which was quickly traded. Big, bulky and couldn't get used to the mag release.
Best surprise was a Norinco Compact bought off a coworker for two bills. Basic and no frills 1911 but runs like champ!
JeepDriver
September 13, 2003, 08:51 PM
Glock 23
I just couldn't shoot it. I guess my paws are to big since everyone else that touched it could shoot just fine with it. :mad:
Traded it off for a BHP that sits in the safe
Zeke Menuar
September 13, 2003, 10:34 PM
Ruger P-95
The saga is documented here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34944&highlight=p95
This episode with Ruger customer service left a distaste for Ruger products that remains to this day.
ZM
Minute_Of_Torso
September 14, 2003, 12:16 AM
Smith & Wesson SW99 in .45 ACP :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:
LostOneToo
September 14, 2003, 12:33 AM
Springfield Armory .45 Compact...jam-o-matic with several different brands of ammo that I tried in it, never could trust it for a carry gun. Swapped it for an Argentine Browning HP....best deal I ever made.:D
Stevie-Ray
September 14, 2003, 12:35 AM
Biggest disappointment: AMT Govt. Model .45 Absolute POS. Nuff said.
Biggest surprise: Toss-up between the KelTec P-32 and the Taurus PT-22. As light as the P-32 is, I thought it would recoil more, but recoil is virtually nil. And my PT-22 has fed and spit out everything I've put through it with zero failures of any kind. Great for 2 relatively cheap guns.
BluesBear
September 14, 2003, 01:53 AM
My biggest dissapointment was an Interarms, Made in USA, Walther PPK/s. I bought one as soon as they came out. The loaded chamber indicator broke in two with less than 50 rounds fired. Accuracy was about 6" at 25 FEET. The only thing that would feed reliably with any of the 4 mags I had were empty cases.
Biggest surprise was a S&W 1917 that had been cut down to 3¾". I thought it had been a hacksaw job but it was one of the most accurate, smoothest shooting revolvers I ever had.
MikeJ
September 14, 2003, 09:52 AM
My biggest dissapointment in a gun was the Ruger Bisley Vaquero in .44 mag. My wife felt that I needed to have a "cowboy" gun in my collection so I took her suggestion but I couldn't hit anything with it and just simply didn't enjoy it at all. I'm a fairly decent shot with my other guns but the way I shot this was embarrassingly bad. I can't say anything was wrong with the gun it just wasn't for me. I knew that I would never take the time nor spend the money on ammo to become proficient with it so I sold it off. I'll never listen to her again, she doesn't even like guns!:D Mike
riverdog
September 14, 2003, 10:08 AM
Disappointed: Ruger Bisley .44Mag -- I found the grip to be very unsatisfactory despite of all the comments that it is supposed to be so much better than the Blackhawk. I replaced it with a S&W 629 and didn't look back.
Pleasantly surprised: Colt 1991A1 -- I expected the trigger to be really heavy with lots of creep from the series 80 parts. In reality it was about 4.5# with a nice release -- not too bad. It feeds everything I load in the magazine and is fairly accurate; what more could I ask. I've since bought a second.
caz223
September 14, 2003, 11:55 AM
Disappointment?
Hmmm....
After having several SIGs, I ventured into the .40 caliber.
My 10mms are all very accurate. Why not?
I bought a 229.
Hi-dollar, two-tone, LE trigger, goodies, etc.
Reliable.
Felt a little like my beloved 228.
I sold it a month later, .40 is just not for me, I have since got a .40 barrel for a SIG I already have, but I haven't the courage to test-fire it.
My biggest surprise, believe it or not, my star PD.
Put it this way.... try to buy a alloy-framed compact 1911 .45 acp for less than 300 bucks.
(and have it outshoot guns two to three times it's worth)...YUP.
Reliable as the day is long, cool looks, accurate, comfortable, and generally not getting sold by it's current owner anytime soon.
varoadking
September 14, 2003, 12:19 PM
Walther P-22. Total POS from every aspect. Every aspect. :barf:
Taurus PT111. Nice ergos - everything else about it sucked, big time. :cuss:
Springfield Armory 1911. Four of the five I've owned were junk. I gave them a fair shot I'd say. :banghead:
No more of these for me.
C.R.Sam
September 14, 2003, 02:28 PM
Colt Gold Cup National Match .45 that I won in 1957.
Pretty but in no way a match gun.
Factory attitude was "get it accurized".
Sam
sm
September 14, 2003, 03:02 PM
Sam -that is sad to hear of that attitude from Colt.
I was only 2 in '57...but have since learned even back then, everything wasn't perfect from get-go made in '50s...I'm a good example of that myself ;)
BKP99
September 14, 2003, 08:15 PM
Biggest Dissapointment: SA stainless Loaded. shot 3" low, grip bushing came out with grip screw.
2nd Biggest Disappointment: C&S Custom BHP. Light mainspring causes misfires in some brands of ammo.
Biggest Surprise: Walther P99. Better practical accuracy (for me anyway) than my custom BHP. Reliable.
dude
September 15, 2003, 03:13 AM
Berreta Ellite(so-called) II, rounds all over the paper..................... 'cept for that center bit I was aiming at. My issue M9 was WAY more accurate.
Glockster35
September 15, 2003, 09:31 AM
Biggest disappointment: Taurus 85CH, a two inch barreled 5 shot .38 Special, with a chopped hammer. Was stainless steel with a nasty trigger pull. Had the trigger smithed more to my liking, but just wasn't accurate enough for me to keep. My Dan Wesson Model 15, with 2.5 inch barrel is outstanding by the way, no work done or needed.
Favorite purchase: Springfield Armory 1911, .45 ACP model PX9608L. I had originally shot a friends smith built $2,000 custom Springer, and expected his to be much nicer than one I bought pre-built. After shooting his, I had to get one. Mine was way better in fit and function than his, and he waitied many months to get his back. They were identical in design, he even asked me to trade. Not gonna happen!
I have been pretty happy with all of my purchases over the years. Yes, some of them could have been better, and I miss the ones I have sold, but in the end I always replaced them with something I needed. I have very few that have stayed original.
RandyB
September 15, 2003, 09:37 AM
Ruger Mini-14
I have several friends who love theirs, but the one I owned shot terrible. It was comon to get 8-10 inch groups at 20 yards. I could throw the gun and hit the target easier.
larryw
September 15, 2003, 12:15 PM
Springfield TRP. Two trips to SA for repair (5 of first 6 months of ownership), it still wouldn't feed ball ammo or shoot to POA (4" low). Finally gave up on them and sent it to a smith to fix. Whole experience disgusted me so much that it now just collects dust.
jercamp45
September 15, 2003, 06:31 PM
Jammed on the first shot! And the action locked up tighter than a ducks bottom end(which we all know is water tight!). Took it to a smith, who laughed and suggested a Norinco(then available quite cheap).....Still tried the AO, still a POS. It was one gun I could not sell to anyone! So it got deepsixed on a fishing trip in the Gulf of Mexico(so be careful, the fish there are armed, for at least one shot!!LOL)
A second: The previously mentioned KelTec 40....:barf:
Really was not thrilled with the HK P-7 after hearing all the hype. Sold it within a year.
A few others, but these are the big ones.
Jercamp45
standingbear
September 15, 2003, 08:30 PM
ruger p series autos.they rattle too much.colt 1911s-the ultimate money pit.customize after customize until one runs dry with money.lastly..those neat lookin things that catch your eye..truly junk..jamm-o-matics self destructing pieces of crap made from pot metal and plastic.they make nice wall hangers for halloween or something.
AUTIGER04
September 15, 2003, 10:17 PM
EAA Witness.:barf:
dhoomonyou
September 17, 2003, 02:04 PM
A Beautiful & sexy gun
on more than one occasion the following happened:
Mag release would release mag when i carried in a fanny pack.
would not go into battery.
inconsistant shooter (even from a bench rest)
if i shot more than 100 rounds at the range would jam from dirt.
no thank you.
TonyB
September 17, 2003, 02:26 PM
never heard of a dirty 92 not working......that is disappointing,you buy a gun on reputation most of the time,and when it doesn't live up to it,it sucks.As all these posts attest....:cool:
gulogulo1970
September 17, 2003, 02:52 PM
Colt Double Eagle, my first handgun. Couldn't hit anything with it til I put a Bar-sto barrel in it. By then the magic was gone. Bought a Colt Officers ACP it was much more accurate had a good trigger and well made, prettier too.
Grampa
September 17, 2003, 05:32 PM
Hmmmm...
My Glock 23 has been a disappointment, but not to the point that I'm ready to get rid of it. I had shot both a G17 and G19 -- both with 2nd gen. grips -- and they were great. I bought the G23 with the 3rd gen. grips and it just doesn't fit well.
My most pleasant surprise has been my Kel-Tec P11. I disliked the trigger pull at first, but after practicing with it, it's a faithful companion. Light, small, good capacity, reliable, inexpensive and simple to maintain. Certainly not a target pistol, but accurate enough for carry.
CumminsPower
September 17, 2003, 06:40 PM
Taurus Millenium PT145:barf: :barf: No frame cracking issues but absolutely the worst trigger pull I have ever seen on a handgun.
Doug S
September 17, 2003, 09:48 PM
Most disappointed with a Taurus PT-111 & a Kel-Tec P-11. Pleasantly surprised with a Kel-Tec P-32 & a Beretta Jetfire.
Karate
September 17, 2003, 11:20 PM
Disappointment
Beretta Tomcat .32ACP
Hated it
2nd Place NAA Gaurdian 380
Surprise
CZ 75 PCR
Great little gun
Kenneth Lew
September 18, 2003, 01:42 AM
Kimber Pro Carry Series 1:
Bought it used only to find out that some idiot did some dremel work on it. After $400 in gunsmithing work, it works now. :barf:
Kenneth Lew
krept
September 18, 2003, 01:23 PM
Para P13 - was my first pistol, a real downer. Never ever regretted trading it.
gulogulo1970
September 18, 2003, 05:34 PM
I just remembered the gun I hated the most. I hated it so much I almost blocked it out. I had a Davis 22LR derringer. Don't know why I bought it but I know why I sold it. Heaviest trigger pull I have ever seen I couldn't pull it without using both hands, and the finish came off from just handling it. Accuracy? Hard to tell when you need to call a friend to help you pull the trigger.
jarhead
September 18, 2003, 06:35 PM
It would have to be a toss up on my biggest disappoint in a firearm (and I have literally owned 100's)...
#1 would probably be Colt's "All American 2000" (made in 1991... never figured that out) - I've been a gunsmith & Class III manufacturer for years and can fix anything, but I couldn't get the action on this POS to work and neither could Colt... and when I don't mean it was heavy or gritty, I mean 1 outta 3 times when you pulled the trigger - nothing... no click, no nothing.
#2 would be a close runner up - the American made Walther TPH stainless .22lr. I tried every brand of ammo known and couldn't get it to feed. Throated it, no luck - took it to two other gunsmiths and still no one could get it to feed properly...
These are the only two guns that I have ever given up on in dispair... and a non-working gun is usually something I see as a challenge to prove I can make it work right...
bpisler
September 18, 2003, 08:35 PM
D model Beretta 9000s,trigger pull over 14lbs,ejected shells often come down on my forearms and head,can not find any night sights.On the plus side it's been totaly reliable and it's pretty accurate.
Springfield XD-9,not accurate,4-5" at 35" was not good enought.After it came back from S/A it didn't shot any better but it was reliable with any ammo.
gbran
September 18, 2003, 11:47 PM
This titanium 357 was too ammo sensitive. I couldn't depend on it. Some time fire casings would swell (?) and have to be pried out. Other times the bullet would jump the crimp and lock up the cyl. I bought it because it held 7 rounds and was great ergonomically.
Black Snowman
September 19, 2003, 03:05 AM
I'm lucky to have grown up in the Internet age so I haven't had too many suprises for my hard earned money.
The closest thing to a disappointment was my C1A1 "FAL" knock-off. I didn't expect a whole lot from it but I made the mistake of changing things on it right off the bat. The scope mount I bought for it caused the slide to jam and required me breaking out the belt sander and working on both the mount and the bolt carrier to correct.
After that resolved the feeding and going into battery issues I then found the grip to be completely the wrong shape for my hand making the overly heavy trigger pull just that much more of a problem. I plan on buying or making a better grip and cutting down the return spring fixed the trigger weight issue. Now I can't wait to go try it again that I've got the bugs worked out.
Biggest supprise? My Taurus 669 I bought from a friend. Very accurate, incredible single action trigger, acceptable double action, affordable and strong. Only complaint is the comp makes it a bit more difficult to clean but the good news is the comp is VERY effective and an excelent design.
I was going to trade it in or sell it but it's my only wheel gun and my only .357. Took it to the range the other day and put a bunch of .38s through it and remembered how well the gun shot. I've decided to keep it again :)
sw442642
September 19, 2003, 11:25 AM
The gun was the biggest stinker NIB was mentioned before - the Taurus PT-22. I got a great price on one of the fancy ones. Nice grips, etc.
It never would go through a whole mag. It would even eject live rounds and once bent a live round in half when the slide closed on it. Eek! I sold it for a $20 loss. It was not worth my time sending it back.
Blackhawk
September 19, 2003, 03:44 PM
PPK in stainless. Always wanted one. It had a 20# DA trigger pull and a 12# SA one. No warning sign on the automatic hand slicer that came on it. Real beauty, but not for me.
Next biggest disappointment was a PPK/S, also in stainless. Improved over the PPK, but still had the same problems.
The disappointment was because I'd always liked them from afar -- then came the let down....
Huesman
September 19, 2003, 10:01 PM
Worst for me was a Kel-tec P-40,bought it new on advice from a cop friend.Worst trigger and never shot in the same place twice.
Most surpising,Bul M-5,Full size high cap 1911 45acp,box stock gun would shot sub1.5" groups with 230gr reloads all day.Never choked,and always put another hole in the same hole before it.I thought it was a fluke,Very good friend and shooting partner bought a Stainless full size,shot the same way! Sold it to buy a STI, I think the Bul shot tighter groups!
goon
September 20, 2003, 12:43 AM
My S&W M-28 comes to mind. It had extraction problems when I first got it, and it was also starting to get out of time. I had it sent back. Three months later, it comes back. Six misfires in the first fifteen shots, then the trigger got stuck back. I had to fire the gun by pulling the hammer back and releasing it. That jarred the internals back to I could unload the gun. I got a refund instead.
My Springfield Mil-Spec also comes to mind. According to the instruction manual that came with the gun, all their pistols are regulated from the factory to shoot POA with a six o'clock hold. Apparently the guy that checked mine was crosseyed and drunk. It shot about fifteen inches low and about a foot to the left at 25 yards.
Yes, they would have gladly fixed that, but that isn't the point.
When I buy a gun, I buy it so I can own it and shoot it. I buy it so I have it in case I would need to defend myself. I don't buy it to send it back and get it fixed. It should have been fixed before I ever set eyes on it.
Freightman
September 20, 2003, 11:48 PM
Browning BDM
jem375
September 22, 2003, 10:58 AM
Glock 26......was going to be my main carry handgun, but, now the Witness 10MM will probably be the one............
Hutch
September 22, 2003, 03:14 PM
Finally found a Smith 940 (J-frame Centennial, 9mmP) and snapped it up. Now I know why it was for sale. Could barely get the empties back out. Even after a trip back to the factory, it's still not servicable. Gonna ditch it.
Schuey2002
September 22, 2003, 06:58 PM
Walther P99.
I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it, and that's with me standing inside the barn! :uhoh:
Quartus
September 22, 2003, 07:14 PM
Springfield Arms 1911 double stack. INEXCUSABLE fit and finish, and the customer "service" matched it.
Read all about it on TFL (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=91185).
JCM298
September 22, 2003, 07:45 PM
I bought a NIB Grendell when they first came out. After 200+ rounds, I found that I could never fire a full magazine without a jam.
The dealer who sold it to me was shooting next to me one day and he tried it. He offered a full refund. I took his offer and bought another gun.
The dealer stopped carrying them and refused to even take one as a trade.
John
Abominable No-Man
September 22, 2003, 11:56 PM
Have to divide this one up into a couple of categories:
Biggest disappointment after all the press and gushing reviews: Glock 19
Biggest disappointment after I bought it because it was new: H&K USP.
I know this is a handgun forum, but I have to throw this in: biggest SURPRISING disappointment, considering what I paid for it was the Colt HBAR. Thought I would like it more than I did........
ANM
Bugs66
September 29, 2003, 02:38 AM
Taurus Millennium Pro PT-111, sorry to say. I had high hopes. See here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42261
Joe Demko
September 29, 2003, 07:46 AM
Another vote for the H&R 999.
Kevinch
October 1, 2003, 02:45 PM
Most disappointed? Definetly a Jennings J22 that I bought with the intention of carrying for protection. :eek: (In my defense - I was very new to firearms then!)
http://www.marstar.ca/usedguns/pistols-p/images/Jennings-652397.jpg
I did find a use for it though. When I want to encourage the dog to remove his nose frm the cat's food bowl, throwing it across the kitchen floor makes such a racket that he goes running.
Most pleasant surprise? My Taurus PT940 - no contest.
http://www.taurususa.com/imagesMain/H_940B.jpg
I bought this gun & really didn't need it. It was a "spite" purchase, when S&W signed the Agreement & Taurus came out in defense of the 2nd Amendment. I shot 2 magazine loads through it & put it away...
Fast forward to over a year later & I was looking for some cash so I thought I'd sell it, but had accumulated about 6 boxes of all different types of ammo during that time. Since it was the only .40 I owned, I took out the gun to use up the shells. The gun was flawless, firing evrything -including some cheap RNL realods - without a hiccup. It was accurate too. It's still in my possession, residing along side some handguns that cost 3 & 4 times as much but shoot no better!
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