Spikes .22 upper or GSG-5???


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gvnwst
October 8, 2008, 06:08 PM
Ok guys, i have been saving up in the gun fund to get a spikes tactical .22lr upper w/ rails. Uses standard ceiner mags, YHM rails, and a lother walther barrel is optional, ect.............

Today, I walked into my local Gander Mountain. I was drooling over a armalite AR-10, and i noticed a GSG-5 in the display case for $550. I got to thinking, should I get the AR .22 upper, or, for the same money, a GSG-5.

I will have a poll up. Please state why you would get this one or not. if there are any other hi cap .22s, feel free to suggest. (just no 10/22s please, it dosen't make sense to me to get a second)

Thanks for the help.


EDIT: The use of these would be plinking, if i got the spikes, cheap pratice with my AR. Possibily varmint hunting, shooting of rodents.

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Black Majik
October 8, 2008, 06:09 PM
Spikes

gvnwst
October 8, 2008, 06:14 PM
Please state why you would get this one or not.

Please.....

Jason_G
October 8, 2008, 07:16 PM
I'd have more fun with the upper. Plus it would also double as a cheaper way to practice on the AR. The GSG-5 just doesn't appeal to me. If it were centerfire, maybe, but... meh. Get the upper. More useful.

Jason

twofourthree73
October 8, 2008, 09:03 PM
Spikes. I have one and love it. It's well built and has standard AR parts and accessories. You can use some of the parts for a 5.56 upper should you decide. Much better use of money if you already have an AR lower, plus you get trigger time on an AR if you already have one to keep your skills somewhat sharp.

Black Majik
October 8, 2008, 09:17 PM
Sorry, I have a Spikes upper that has been fantastic. It ran about 20K before I snapped a firing pin. Got a new one from Spikes, and it's back to tickin' again.

I found it reliable, especially for a rimfire. Before the firing pin break, I got 2 failures. First one was in the 1st magazine. The 2nd one was after 15K after I never cleaned the feed ramp. Yes, it took 15K rounds for it to fail.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/spikes012.jpg

I've shot the GSG-5 also. It's also very fun, just not.... Spikes fun :D

rangerruck
October 8, 2008, 10:46 PM
ket tec plr-22 or sa-22, one is pistol ar type, the other is full stocked ar type, both are under 250. the gsg-5 has a fatal flaw, that has not been fixed yet.

rangerruck
October 8, 2008, 10:47 PM
oh yeah, the kel tec comes with either 22 or 27 round mags...

peck1234
October 8, 2008, 11:07 PM
Spikes!

sarduy
October 8, 2008, 11:11 PM
i would go with the Spike's upper.

i have a Spike's lower on my cmmg kit and i'm very happy with the quality of their products, i have handle the upper in gunshows and they look very solid, plus...it's US made, so if you get a problem you can always send it back and they'll fix it, if you get a lemon with the GSG-5 what are you going to do? send it back to German? The GSG-5 is a great looking weapon but i would go with a Ruger or the Spike's Upper.

massnee
October 8, 2008, 11:28 PM
go with spikes...

I just picked one up. Very reliable...very accurate...and great for ar practice.

http://www.massfirearmsschool.com/22ar.jpg

Girodin
October 9, 2008, 12:50 AM
I own a couple GSG-5s and I really like them. They are very fun guns. If you want to be able to train with the AR on the cheap then the upper makes more sense. If you want to have another gun i.e be able to use the AR and a fun .22 at the same time then the GSG might be a better choice.

ArmedBear
October 9, 2008, 01:50 AM
I have a .22LR upper.

One of the most fun guns I've ever tried. Everyone who tries it, wants one, too.

1832
October 9, 2008, 10:24 AM
I have the Spike's ST-22 and, for my money, its the best out there. But, a couple of weeks ago, I also bought a GSG-5. Now I wouldn't trade either one.

Shung
October 9, 2008, 10:40 AM
question about the Spikes tactical upper.

Does the BCG work as a 223 ??? I mean, I have a M16A1 lower receiver (full). Would the Spikes BCG action the disconnector ? Is there any full auto compatible conversion upper on the market ?

twofourthree73
October 9, 2008, 10:46 AM
question about the Spikes tactical upper.

Does the BCG work as a 223 ??? I mean, I have a M16A1 lower receiver (full). Would the Spikes BCG action the disconnector ? Is there any full auto compatible conversion upper on the market ?

You can get a full auto .22 bolt that works with a full auto lower reciever. There is an added piece for FA. Check out the spikes sub forum on AR15.com for more info. It's just a few small pieces and not that much more expensive if I recall correctly.

http://www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=282&t=164173

Springfield_1911SS
October 9, 2008, 10:56 AM
what about one of the kits that lets you keep your upper, just change out the Bolt/bolt carrier those are like $150-200

twofourthree73
October 9, 2008, 11:01 AM
what about one of the kits that lets you keep your upper, just change out the Bolt/bolt carrier


The dedicated uppers for an AR come with a barrel and bolt specifically designed for .22 lr. You cannot shoot 5.56 or .223 in these barrels. The rest of the upper parts are exactly the same as a normal AR-15 upper.

.22 conversion kits you also hear about are replacement bolts with chamber adapters that allow you to use .22 lr in a 5.56 barrel. Your accuracy suffers since the twist rates are not good for .22 lr and you foul up your 5.56 upper with dirty .22lr ammo. I debated between kit and a dedicated upper and a dedicated upper just made more sense to me. It felt odd having an extra upper laying around so I ended getting another lower for it and now have a dedicated .22 lr AR-15. :D

Shung
October 9, 2008, 11:11 AM
thx for the link 243 73 ;)

Luis Leon
October 9, 2008, 11:30 AM
I voted Spikes, because I have one in their standard ST-22 m4 profile. The barrel is 16" long, but because 1.5" of it is inside the receiver, you get the look of a 14.5" profile m4. That said, I love mine, I have at least 2k rounds through it and have only had it a few weeks. The workmanship is excellent. My main AR only gets to go to 3-gun matches a half-dozen times a year. The Spike's upper goes on every range trip. Good luck with your decision.

best regards,

Luis Leon


P.S. My Spike's upper sits atop a Stag Arms lower with an A1 stock and a aimpoint clone atop.

jjohnson
October 9, 2008, 12:12 PM
I don't like to sink a bunch of money in accessories, but for those of you in the blackstick world, I wonder sometimes if that's what you're all about. :scrutiny:

I'd rather spend my money on an entire firearm that was designed to work instead of adding more hardware to make something entirely different out of another firearm - but that's just my opinion. I know some of the aftermarket stuff is really very good, but I'm not one to want to put lipstick on a pig. :neener:

waterhouse
October 9, 2008, 12:28 PM
I went with the Spikes. I recently shot a friend's GSG and it was a blast, super fun little gun. The GSG also felt lighter than my Spikes, so if younger people are shooting it they may find it easier to handle.

I went with the Spike's because:

a) AR practice
b) threaded barrel for my suppressor
c) I already have an SBR lower, so I could get a 10" .22 upper for the AR.

I need another .22 like I need a hole in my head, but someday I may pick up a GSG just to have.

twofourthree73
October 9, 2008, 01:24 PM
I don't like to sink a bunch of money in accessories, but for those of you in the blackstick world, I wonder sometimes if that's what you're all about.

I'd rather spend my money on an entire firearm that was designed to work instead of adding more hardware to make something entirely different out of another firearm - but that's just my opinion. I know some of the aftermarket stuff is really very good, but I'm not one to want to put lipstick on a pig.


I would have considered a GSG-5 but that thread about their lack of durability that surfaced here made me think they aren't much better than an airsoft gun that shoots .22.

The last thing I wanted was a $500 paperweight with no ability to fix it or find parts for it.

ArmedBear
October 9, 2008, 01:28 PM
I'd rather spend my money on an entire firearm that was designed to work instead of adding more hardware to make something entirely different out of another firearm - but that's just my opinion.

Translation: "I've never tried a .22LR dedicated upper."

Black Majik
October 9, 2008, 03:10 PM
Translation: "I've never tried a .22LR dedicated upper."

+1..

cskelly
October 9, 2008, 04:35 PM
Well I hate to throw out more ideas (A or B? Well I choose C!) but, have you considered building a Ruger 10/22?

You can build it to look just like an AR, MP5, Bullpup and the list goes on! Its a whole new firearm. They tend very durable and high quality (depending on parts you buy). Again, depending on parts, you can make them super accurate.

You can build its for the same price as a GSG but have fun doing it.

Con: Its not an AR. Spikes is great for that extra trigger time on a great platform.

Check out RimFireCentral (http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/index.php) for Tacticool and Ultimates as well as endless supply of information!

ArmedBear
October 9, 2008, 04:46 PM
I'd rather have my .22 upper on an AR lower than a 10/22. In fact, I sold the 10/22.

For one thing, nobody's saying you can't put a separate lower on it. If you want a "whole new firearm", you can have it that way. Of course, there's a lot to be said for leveraging AR upgrades like $200 buttstocks, $200 triggers, etc., so you get to use them with the .22.

For another, the AR is so wonderfully overbuilt for a .22, it goes for a much longer time between cleanings.

Furthermore, the 10/22's ergos SUCK, no matter how much money you throw at it. The safety button is in the worst possible place, the mag release is, also. The magazines SUCK, compared to the AR .22LR mag designs. They suck to load, they suck to clean, and they often suck when in use (unless you score a good one). The AR .22 mags are easy to clean, have light spring tension for easy loading, and mine has been 100% reliable, brick after brick, with EVERY type of junk ammo I've stuffed into it. I've never seen a 10/22 that was.

The AR is MUCH quicker and easier to clean, from the breech, than a 10/22. There's no spring wrestling when you reassemble it, and no tools are required to do a complete cleaning. The AR cleans like an AR -- it's made for field cleaning in battlefield conditions, and it lives up to that.

The 10/22 has its place (though not in my gunsafe), but the .22LR AR is in another league.

I'll reiterate: if you're recommending a 10/22 or somesuch, it can only be because you haven't had a .22LR AR upper.

Gunnerpalace
October 9, 2008, 05:47 PM
Personally I'd go for the GSG-5,

I have never really like the .22 uppers, just does not fascinate me, In the end whatever you feel like you want to get, try to find a range that rents these and try them out, everyone has their own feel when shooting.

cskelly
October 9, 2008, 07:25 PM
Armed Bear has his points and made the same point I made but made it like he was running for president. The AR Upper is a GREAT addon.

I disagree with his calling of a 10/22 CRAP or with the need to clean a 10/22 more often than an AR upper. Do your own research on 10/22s and you will see they are as reliable as the .22lr ammo you will use. (Magazines included!)

The OP is considering a GSG, which IMO is no better (actually less fun) than a 10/22 that has been modified. You have much more "stuff" to choose from when working with a 10/22 vs the GSG-5. Triggers, hammers, bolts, springs, sears, extractors, barrels (Threaded, SBR'ed, Colored) as well as Stocks.

It all depends on how you plan on using the new .22LR. Do you want a way to utilize your AR for cheaper, than get the upper. Do you want a unique target gun that can be its own toy, consider a NEW firearm (GSG or 10/22).

browningguy
October 9, 2008, 08:56 PM
The mags cost more, but the GSG is just a lot of fun to shoot. I've got several AR's and could have gone with an upper, but style has to be worth something.

gvnwst
October 9, 2008, 09:30 PM
Well I hate to throw out more ideas (A or B? Well I choose C!) but, have you considered building a Ruger 10/22?




here is from my original post.


(just no 10/22s please, it dosen't make sense to me to get a second)

on top of that, i just don't like the 10/22 all that much. :)

i am wanting a fun pratice gun to plink with, and inn the case of the Spikes, cheap AR pratice.

Coal Dragger
October 9, 2008, 09:59 PM
Go with the upper, it will translate better to the full power AR.

If you don't go that route I can stress highly enough the training value of a match grade single shot bolt action .22LR with a good trigger, and aperture sights. Get a shooting jacket, a good loop sling and learn to shoot positions. The small bore precision game will really improve your shooting skills.

gvnwst
October 9, 2008, 10:11 PM
i have a savage MK II rimfire that will fire one hole groups at 50yd with bulk ammo, so the bolt side is covered.


having the ability to fire a large number of rounds in a short time with little cost is just appealing:evil:

cskelly
October 10, 2008, 12:53 AM
Then Upper IMO. You have a bolt you have a 10/22 (and dont like it) but the AR Upper is a fine upgrade.

jpatterson
November 4, 2008, 12:05 PM
Resurrecting a dead post again, sorry! But I've searched the net for where to buy one of these Spikes .22 uppers and I can't find one? I am getting an AR on Thursday and would be interested in getting a quality .22 upper for it.

twofourthree73
November 4, 2008, 01:20 PM
www.spikestactical.com

phone numbers and e-mail are below.

http://www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=282&t=159924

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