[Flashpoint]

PT 24/7 PISTOL WITH RIBBER GRIPS OVERLAY
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-4/148376/H_PT2479SS.jpg
The PT 24/7 polymer frame pistol is the most innovative in design and firearms engineering. Offering improved ergonomics and performance, the 24/7 design features enhanced finger indexing Memory Pads, Posi-Traction slide serrations and recessed magazine release, all weighing in at a mere 26 ounces. Ten rounds in the magazine, one in the chamber, and the lightweight frame with integral accessory rail system makes this lifesaver a must for law enforcement. The double action only Taurus PT 24/7 is available with either a Blue or Stainless Steel slide. The 24/7 carries three safety features including a manual safety lever, trigger block mechanism and a firing pin block. The Taurus Security System is included at no extra charge.

SPECIFICATIONS
Model: 24/7-9SS
Caliber: 9 mm
Capacity: 10 +1
Barrel Length: 4"
Porting: No
Action: DAO
Finish: Stainless Steel
Grips: Ribber Grip Overlay
Weight: 27.5 oz
Construction: Polymer/Steel
Frame: Large
Front Sight: Fixed- 1 Dot
Rear Sight: Fixed- 2 Dots
Trigger Type: Smooth
Length: 7-1/8"
Width: 1-1/4"
Height: 5-1/2"
Rate of Twist: 1:9.84
Grooves: 6
Safety: Manual Safety, Firing Pin Block, Trigger Block
UPC: 7-25327-31148-6
Order #: 1-247099
MSRP: $594.00
Status: Available 4th Qtr.

http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=247

From the looks of the picture the grip looks comfortable, kinda CZish. I don't know that I would consider it a large frame pistol, maybe because it looks like you can get all 5 digits around it. My big concern would be how the trigger pull was on it. I have not heard a lot of good things about Taurus triggers. It would have to be some kind of shooter to constitute that $600 price. Anyone have any experience with these? Maybe got a snick peek at a dealer gun show or something?

[Tamara]

I played with these at SHOT and was absolutely amazed at how much the trigger pull didn't suck.

[TODD3465]

No.

[Snake Eyes]

I wouldn't pay ANY amount for ANY Taurus ever again.

I wouldn't take it for free--I'd feel guilty about selling it to some one.

[Ala Dan]

DITTO ! Snake Eyes comment's

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[hksw]

I'd probably give it a try at the $400-$450 street price range, particularly if it accepted existing mags from guns of other Taurus or other gun manufacturer (pending on how it felt and appeared first hand). Definitely if less than that.

[George Hill]

If the AWB goes away and these things have plenty of cheap hi-cap mags available... then it would be a fine option for a mid-sized auto.
But I think that MSRP is a touch high for generic auto in a crowded market.

I think I'd either pass on it, or wait for the price to drop by about 100 bucks.

[tiberius]

It doesn't look bad but Taurus just doesn't have the rep to justify such a premium over a Kel Tec P11.

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

Not at that price---maybe if it was $300 retail------then I'd have to think about it.

[10-Ring]

NO! A $600 Taurus is about $400 over priced!

[DJJ]

Price should drop after their settlement with GM over the use of the term "posi-traction". :rolleyes:

[Zach S]

Ive handled a few PT92s thet were excellant peices. Actually prefer them over the 92FS since the PT92 has the frame mounted safety instead of the backwards Berretta slide mounted one. Since taurus copied the gun, why dont the italians copy the taurus saftey? best of both worlds.

I have yet to find a taurus polymer that didnt have a trigger that sucked. Early ones had a problem with frames cracking (maybe just the PT145s?). I remember one of the gun mags doing a feature on a PT140 and it broke during testing. Cant remember what broke, but it was something they couldnt fix on-site and had to sent it back to be fixed at the factory. I've heard numerous complaints about taurus polymers at the range. Other than the fell of the trigger, I really dont have any expeiance with them, but I'm smart enough to learn from other's mistakes. I will probably never own a Taurus polymer, and even if i did, i would never trust my life to it.

MSRP listed on the website is a lot higher than what they retail for, in my area anyway. My M85UL's (http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?model=85SSUL&category=Revolver) MSRP, for example, retails for $453, I seem to remember paying ~$100 less than that, NIB. I've only had one minor problem out of it, cant even remember what it was.

[NevadaPistolero]

Check out the Springfield Armory XD series, much better gun at a lower cost, I have one in 357sig and now its my daily CCW gun...I dont leave home without it.

[C.R.Sam]

NO

Sam

[firestar]

I wouldn't pay ANY amount for ANY Taurus ever again.

That about sums it up for me also.:D Seriously, if it were less than $200, I would consider giving it a chance but not a penny over $200!

[Avery Goodschott]

Would anybody stretch to go $269 for a LNIB PT908?

[Flashpoint]

"Check out the Springfield Armory XD series"

Oh, I have and I would pick the XD over the Taurus in a New York second. I was real impressed with the XD trigger. It just seemed to me that Taurus are a lot more proud of thier guns than most of there owners to be putting such a high MSRP. Even if they did come down $150 it still seems too high.

[caz223]

Looks like an overpriced hi-point to me.
I echo snake eyes' comment.

[Standing Wolf]

It's a little less ugly than a Glock, but none for me, thanks all the same.

[Snowdog]

Um, who ever actually dished out the MSRP for a firearm? I certainly never have.
You'll see these NIB on the shelves priced in the $350-$400 range in time.

(edit- I see Zach S already pointed this out... )

[Black Snowman]

Give all the bad hype they get I've always been impressed with the newer Taurses (Tauri?). Maybe that's just because my expecations are so low. My only experiance with a Taurus is my 669 revolver and I used to think it's double action trigger was HORRIBE and the single action INCREDIBLE. Turns out my double action technique just sucked. I've since remedied my "bad double action trigger" with a few boxes of ammo sent down range rather than a trip to the gunsmith ;)

[Tacblack]

I think most everyone here knows how much MSRP is over what you will pay almost anywhere.

[PCRCCW]

Just a couple of comments on previous comments....:D

Snakeeyes and such....To bad. You guys have either listened to what youve heard on the net or had a PT series gun that didnt work.

The good thing is those of us whove had multiple Taurus guns know better.
The PT9** series guns are as good as anything on the market. Ask anyone whos had them...........Ive had 3. The more you guys dont like em, the more their are for us :what:

MSRP isnt reality on ANY GUN...especially a Taurus. Just think is S&W got full MSRP on their guns ba ha ha ha..theyd be the wealthiest gun company on the planet.

Plan on buying these for about 1/3 over dealer....................................

Shoot well

[Mastrogiacomo]

No -- but I'd give the revolvers a look. S&W doesn't make blue guns anymore....

[Mike Irwin]

No, I wouldn't.

[Lightsped]

I have six Tauri that have ALL functioned perfectly 100%. Gun forums are just like car forums. You only hear about the folks with the problems, and not the folks that have been satisfied. I guess it is just human nature to complain more than compliment. If Taurus makes such horrible guns, they would be out of business a loooonnng time ago.

[chaim]

Echo the stuff about MSRP being much higher than what you'll actually pay for any gun. Even so, in my area you will rarely pay less than $400 for any quality new pistol, most Taurus pistols run around $450+ here.

That said, you had to pick the one new Taurus pistol that I am most lukewarm about. The new Milenium Pro is probably going to eventually be added to my "collection". The .22lr might be interesting. Several revolvers interest me. I'd also love a PT911 (though that is a previously existing model). But that particular polymer model, I don't know. I am warming up to polymer a little but still, I'm not really a plastic gun fan (with a few exceptions). Maybe when I see it I'll change my mind about it.


Would anybody stretch to go $269 for a LNIB PT908? Are you serious? Man I'd love a LNIB PT908, especially for that price (most that I've seen online were about 20-30% more, assuming it is in truly new condition). How big a hurry are you in? Here in MD you are only allowed one a month, two if you buy them at the same time but then you have to wait 60 days before you buy. Well, I've bought two handguns at the same time and haven't even picked them up yet so my 60 days hasn't started. If you don't mind waiting 2-3 months then I'd be more than happy to buy it from you!

[jimbo5246]

For less $$ A Springfield XD will do all you want.I never leave home without it. JMHO Jim

[Litlman]

I DON"T think so !!!

[Pain]

I agree the MSRP is way too high, but I have a pt-145 it Broke Taurus Fixed it, and it is Fine now over 1000 rnds without a choke. It's small Light and easily concealable, cost me under 350 bones...... Plus the wife likes it because it's made out of tupperware ;)

[Doctor Wu]

Taurus makes a great gun for practice.
You get to practice malfunction drills conastantly. :p

[PackingHeat]

I"ll buy a Taurus the same day that I buy a Ford and Hell freezes over.

[Ford]

I would not have another Taurus firearm if they paid ME.
As you can tell I have had a bad experience. To make a VERY long story short. I bought my wife a Taurus millinium series pistol. Gun barely worked. sent it in for warranty work didnt hear from them for about 3 weeks. Called to check on how things were going. They didnt even know where my gun was. Customer service reps were rude. Manager was a nice guy to talk to but full of $#^*. Got my gun back. Didnt fix half the stuff that was wrong with it. Oh I cant go on I can feel my blood pressure going up as I type. Anyway all I can say is Taurus is a joke of a company.
Folks I am a pretty understanding guy, I am not one of these people that gets on these kind of forums and complains about every little thing but man can I go on about this so called company. :cuss: :banghead: :fire: :what:

[peashooter]

My problem with Taurus isn't the product, it's the customer service. I have had experiemces ranging from very good to very bad. That being said I probably wouldn't buy the 24/7 for the price listed, but then I didn't really like it to begin with. I'm very happy with my PT-111, goes bang EVERY time.:rolleyes:

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

In early August I had a chance to speak at length with a rep from Taurus who had the new product line on a table in front of him. I own a pair of PT111's, and have owned in the past a Model 85. Granted, I like my PT111 for what it is; a light, compact 9mm that does everything I ask of it. The triggers on them are draggy (an understatement) but they DO smooth up with use (and I have polished up the firing pin hole and the pin itself on my own. The 24/7, while not as asthetically pleasing to my eye as a lot of pistols, does seem to work fine for me during my test firing. The trigger on it and the Millenium Pro's are several orders of magnitude better than the previous incarnation. The rep also mentioned that 'the engineers told him that dry-firing it several hundred times is ok and will smooth up the non-Pro Milleniums'.

YMMV.

The NIB Millenium trigger still feels like trying to drag a piano down a gravel road by your fingertips, compared to the Pro and 24/7. with thanks to the creator of the analogy. It's the most accurate one I have heard regarding the box-stock trigger on the Millenium.

If I were in the market for such a pistol, I'd sure look long and hard at it. MSRP really means nothing to a shrewd buyer.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[chevrofreak]

I"ll buy a Taurus the same day that I buy a Ford and Hell freezes over.


i used to say that too. i now drive a ford crown victoria, and, well......

http://jet3.hasweb.com/~chevyboy/chevrofreak/stuff/hell-freezes.jpg


looks like i'm due to buy a Taurus ;)

[varoadking]

I wouldn't pay ANY amount for ANY Taurus ever again., either

:barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf: :barf:

"Customer service reps were rude" - and stupid, too... :cuss:

[Schuey2002]

Nope.

Now, if someone gave me one.. ;)

[SilentStalker]

I wouldn't pay ANY amount for ANY Taurus ever again.

I wouldn't take it for free--I'd feel guilty about selling it to some one.

I agree with the above. My g/f purchased a little Taurus .38 special snubnose revolver about 6 months ago for personal protection. We have taken it to the range a few times and to be honest I hate it. It is simplistic, has a nice finish, nice grip, is obviously easy to maintain, etc. but I could not hit the broad side of a barn with it from 20 yards away. Aside from the accuracy and recoil problems it has, the internal hammer jammed after 110 rounds were put through it. Talk about a piece of junk. She paid $300+ for it and like I said shot a little over 100 rounds through it in the course of 6 months and had the internal hammer jam. We disassemble the gun and tried messing with it, unloaded of course, trying to get it moving again with a screwdriver and was unsuccessful. Now keep in mind she bought this to rely on as a defense weapon and obviously it was not up to the challenge of regular shooting LOL so I sure as hell would not rely on it as a weapon you can depend on under any circumstances.

We are going to take it back to the dealer where she got it from this weekend and see what they will do about it. She wants them to take it back, but I seriously doubt that will happen. I figure at best they will fix it. Anyways that is my experience with them. I will admit though that a buddy of mine has a Taurus P92 9mm and I have personally put over 3000 rounds in that gun without ever having an issue whatsoever and 1000 of those was in the same day back to back firing/loading. The little P92 is awesome, accurate, recoil is easy to deal with, nice grip, finish is nice and has held up extremely well, etc. I can go on and on. it seems, from what I have read at least that the P92 was probably one of the best guns Taurus ever made. However, I would say dealing with Taurus is like sticking your hand in a grab bag, you never know what you might get. Some of their guns seem to be pretty good while others are nothing more than expensive paperweights.

[jeepmor]

No one pays MSRP, not even at a gun store do I see those prices posted. I hear a lot of crying about some Taurus models and people just can't seem to let that go. Like they say, have a good experience, tell 3 people, a bad one, tell everyone on the entire internet. In a defense role, this is pretty hard to forgive. Especially that revolver experience, pure dread.
But if your putting a gun into a defense role, it should have a minimum of 1000 rounds without a failure through it before it can be considered a "reliable" gun.

However, I like my PT145 and it works flawlessly with ~750 rounds thru it. My wife has a PT111, and already has 200 rounds through it. It FTE'd once on her, but I believe that it was her limp wrist, not sure. It was her first ever trip to the range shooting a pistol and was in the first two magazines thru the pistol with Magtech ammo. Did not happen to her on her second trip the the shooting range. 1 in 200+, that's less than 0.5% thus far, but admittedly, it is not the magic ZERO, but my pt145 is. Hopefully that percentage will only get smaller. Between both our pistols, thats something like 0.1%.

I'm gonna move up to one of the better 1911's eventually, but I see that just about every make or model has issues occasionally also and that some manufacturers (even high end ones) seem to just assemble the parts but not check function very well. I think there's some foundry making parts and they just etch or engrave their logos in the sides and assemble them, I'm not sure.

jeepmor

jeepmor

[jlh26oo]

i used to say that too. i now drive a ford crown victoria, and, well......

http://jet3.hasweb.com/~chevyboy/chevrofreak/stuff/hell-freezes.jpg


looks like i'm due to buy a Taurus ;)


WOW. You;ve been chevrofreak all this time, and are making the transition?

Trucks too? Or are you still anti f150; just a car thing?

[MCgunner]

For that price, I could get a Glock, or two Kel Tecs. I'll stick with my P11, thanks.

[c_yeager]

Talk about a ressurected thread. Its actually kinda funny seeing everyone discussing wether or not Taurus could sell these for $600. The $300 statements were spot-on. It is nice to see people discussing *if* the AWB sunsets.

[hksw]

It would have to be some kind of shooter to constitute that $600 price.

What sucker pays retail?

[Kramer Krazy]

I think the absolute most I'd ever pay for any Taurus is $350. Once I go above that price, I'll start looking into Ruger, Colt, and S&W firearms, even if they are used ones......Hmmm....now that I think about Ruger prices, I'd probebly drop that price to $300 for a Taurus.

[Nitrogen]

For less $$ A Springfield XD will do all you want.I never leave home without it. JMHO Jim

Jumping on the XD bandwagon. It's everything I like about glocks with none of the things I hate about them. :evil:

[Freddie]

I paid $369.00 for my Taurus 24/7 Stainless Pro 40 cal....Anybody that pays retail is nuts...

[torpid]

Talk about a ressurected thread. Its actually kinda funny seeing everyone discussing wether or not Taurus could sell these for $600. The $300 statements were spot-on. It is nice to see people discussing *if* the AWB sunsets.

Seriously.
Dug up after going to ground for 2+ years...

Now this is the true kind of "zombie" thread.
;)

[McCall911]

MSRP: $594.00

I wouldn't pay that much for a Ford Taurus!

;)

[Black Majik]

I'd feel robbed if I paid over $400 for any Taurus.

[gunfan]

I not only have heard "horror stories" when it comes to their semi-automatics being depicted as "jam-o-matics" and tales of revolver tie-ups, but of their "customer service" as rating between "marginal" and "abysmal". All of this gives me pause when it comes to Taurus' products.

Scott

[varoadking]

DITTO ! Snake Eyes comment's

Double Ditto...

Just noticed that I posted in this thread a couple of years ago...

[EddieCoyle]

I've owned two Taurus handguns (a revolver and an auto) and disliked them (and sold them off) for various reasons. A shop owner that I like and trust is a big Taurus fan and I bought them at his urging even though I was less than impressed at the fit and finish. I guess I should've trusted my first impression.

[kent m. lane]

NO WAY JOSEY. Brasil should stick to soccer and carnival.

[Lennyjoe]

Um, yea, I think this thread was pulled from the archives. 2003? Come on.

There is nothing wrong with the Taurus pistols. The 24/7 is a fine pistol if thats what you like. I tried one, liked it but sold it cause I am not much of a DAO semi auto fan. Doesn't mean that the pistol didn't function just that it didnt fit my requirement.

There are haters of every manufacture of pistols in the world. Just like there are guys that hate Mustangs, Camaro's and cold coffee.

Shall we let sleeping dogs lie and move on to newer discussions?

[torpid]

Um, yea, I think this thread was pulled from the archives. 2003? Come on...
...Shall we let sleeping dogs lie and move on to newer discussions?

No, let's set the Wayback Machine to 2002 instead and re-talk about the Taurus PT-25!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=991

:)

[glove]

Great Gun
I paid $359.00 O.T.D. for a PT 24/7 .40 Cal. with 1 15 round mag.
Dave Z

Also 1 year free N.R.A membership with purchase

[Marshall]

Not a chance!

Taurus makes some guns I would buy but in this case there are better guns out there for less money. If it's a .45 you're wanting, wait until you can get the new Springfield XD-45ACP. For that matter, if it's a 9mm or .40S&W you're wanting, still get the XD!

[Lennyjoe]

I prefer the 24/7 over the XD. I also prefer a 1911 over a 24/7.

To each his own.

[GunNut]

I'd pass on the 24/7 too.

Steve

[JMag]

No, never...again. I'd save up for better.

[timn]

I'm in the minority here, but I like the 24/7 in 9mm.
My son has one and we have tried to wear it out. It probably has 15-20,000 rounds through it. We've shot it till it was too hot to touch the barrel and kept on shooting. It's accurate and goes bang everytime you pull the trigger. MSRP on a gun is like MSRP on a vehicle, it's not what you're going to pay.
I bought a PT145 several months ago because I wanted a .45 that I could conceal. Since my brand new Kimber was headed back to Yonkers because it wouldn't go bang with any regularity, their brand wasn't in the running. I looked a lot of offerings in all price ranges. Based on the experience of my son's 24/7 and the fact that he said he would buy it from me if I didn't like it, I plopped down my $303.00 including taxes and went to the range. I ran 150 rounds through it that day. I had one failure to come to battery that required a nudge of my thumb on the slide to fix. That was the first and last failure I've had with it. This is a great little shooter. It has fed on every type of ammo that I've run through it and it shoots where I aim it. It's too accurate for a gun this size. :) IMHO, it is one of the best bargains around.
My advice is to forget all the " Well, I've heard this..., my brother says..., they are all pieces of ....," and shoot the gun. Go to any busy range and rent one or borrow one. Ask a shooter of one what he/she thinks about it. Chances are they will let you send a few rounds down range. Offer to buy them a box of ammo to split for the oppurtunity and SHOOT the gun.
In addition to the 145, I have a Taurus 605 revolver, my son's wife has the 111 9mm in stainless, and I really want to look at the new 1911 from them. I've been very impressed with the Tauri that we own and the direction that taurus is going. No, I don't work for Taurus or have any interest that would sway my opinion about their firearms. I'm just an enthusiast that likes to shoot and appreciate a good value.
My 32 1/2 cents. YMMV.
Good luck with whatever you decide to go with.:)
T

[glove]

Hell I like my .40 cal. 24/7 so much I went out and bought a .40 cal. Mill. Pro. $300.00 O.T.D. With 2, 10 round mags. Another Great Gun by Taurus. And the best thing about the mill. pro. is my 15 round 24/7 mags. work in it 15 + 1 in a small package what more could you want for $300.00. Plus Taurus USA extended my N.R.A. membership for another year. $35.00 savings for me.
Dave Z

[MDG1976]

Nope. Not worth that much money.

[procomps]

I started out with a PT-111 Titanium for $359. Love it. Light as a feather, fits my hand better than any gun I had before it, and very reliable. My first carry gun.

I bought a 24/7 9mm for $325. My most accurate gun, best feel, smoothest operation with no failures for 500+ rounds.

Got a PT-111 Pro in stainless for $300. My favorite combination of trigger, concealibilty, and good accuracy. Only 125 rounds thus far with no failures. Will eventually be my primary gun after another 175 flawless rounds, probably very soon.

I have also owned two Taurus revolvers which were good guns, but I traded them off for semis, which I prefer.

I agree with timn and glove above. Don't complain about a brand or model of gun until you shoot several rounds through one yourself.

I recently ran into shooter who gave up on a NIB 24/7 9mm and sent it back to the factory. He refused to field strip, clean and lube the gun before shooting it and insisted any worthwhile pistol should shoot perfectly right out of the box! I have never fired a pistol (NIB or used) without the strip/clean/lube procedure first.

[KONY]

For that price, I could get a Glock, or two Kel Tecs. I'll stick with my P11, thanks.

I've owned the P11 and PT111 Pro. Still have the PT111 Pro. Trigger is just that much better stock plus you get more features.