Why are CCI Stingers bad for Ruger 10/22's?


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Aaryq
October 10, 2008, 04:52 PM
Howdy, folks.
I've heard from a lot of people that CCI Stingers are bat for 10/22s and shouldn't be used in them. Is there any truth to this? Can someone explain why?

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firstg19
October 10, 2008, 04:54 PM
I actually called ruger asking about cci stingers in the 10/22 target model and my mark 3 bull barrel. They said not to shoot them in either b/c they are hyper velocity and they will ware out the parts

dtalley
October 10, 2008, 04:56 PM
:what: now you tell me. I been shooting stingers in my 10/22 for several years when hunting. But just plinking it's regular velocity cartriges.

firstg19
October 10, 2008, 04:57 PM
im not expert...but im sure your fine...more than likely the reason they dont recommend them is because with extended use, you are going to start to see wear

Pumpkinheaver
October 10, 2008, 05:06 PM
I have used stingers for pest control for years in my Ruger 10-22. I know a lot of the aftermarket barrels on the market can't be used with CCI stingers as they have match chambers and the brass casing the stingers use is longer than a regular long rifle casing.

dispatch55126
October 10, 2008, 05:07 PM
It's only a concern if you have a match or Bentz (I think that's the correct spelling) chamber. The Stinger has a longer case than the average .22LR. This is not usually a problem unless you get a target model or change barrels to one that has tighter tolerances. The tighter tolerance can cause the spent casing to not fully eject.

If you have a standard, off the shelf 10/22, you should be fine.

351 WINCHESTER
October 10, 2008, 06:12 PM
I've been shooting stingers since they came out in the mid 70's from all my .22's. Never had a problem.

Ratshooter
October 10, 2008, 07:12 PM
Use 'em all you want. What do a bunch of gun makers know anyway?

76shuvlinoff
October 10, 2008, 07:12 PM
hmmm I run em in my Marlins, the 39A and the 60. Also in my 1911 22 conversion. No issues so far and I just don't know why they'd ruin a 10/22 any more than any other rifle.

eric.cartman
October 10, 2008, 10:47 PM
Not sure about 10/22, but I've put 1000+ CCI stingers through my Ruger MK III target pistol with bull barrel, and not a single problem so far.

dispatch55126
October 10, 2008, 10:49 PM
quit beating your nice semi-autos up

It's a .22. If you're that concerned, get a bolt buffer. Personally, I find that the higher velocities are less accurate from my 10/22. The preferred round out of mine are CCI SGB's. I'll still fire Aguila hyper-velocities if I just want to pull the trigger and feel some recoil.

DBR
October 10, 2008, 11:29 PM
The main issue with Stingers is the long case. With a short chamber or a match chamber the front of the case can enter the "lead" (the tapered entry to the rifling). If this happens the case can pinch the base of the bullet and resist the bullet exiting the case. This can cause a pressure spike and if the chamber has a loose mouth or excess head space it might blow out the base of the case.

As far as wear is concerned if the gun is rated for high velocity ammo the Stingers won't overstress it.

cliffy
October 10, 2008, 11:44 PM
If'n a doubt surfaces regarding the fabulous CCI Stingers, try CCI Velocitors. BOTH function flawlessly within the innards of my Ruger Mark III Competition
6 7/8" barrel. BOTH are super-accurate in usage. Both exceed most other ammo available. Both, well you know by now, exceed all expectations for accuracy and power. STINGERS and VELOCITORS are a match made in heaven regarding Ruger Firearms. If someone told me STINGERS would wear-out my barrel, I'd laugh in his or her face, as I kept pulling the trigger. cliffy

rangerruck
October 10, 2008, 11:57 PM
it is not the bbl you have to worry about, it is the added pressure for one, since it is a .o1 inch longer, the round is going to start, allready touching the lands.
also with the added oomph, it will wear out your action parts faster; especially back bars, buffer assy.s, etc., like the nylon buffer on the back of the marlin mod 60, for instance.

QuickRick
October 11, 2008, 12:27 AM
I've shot thousands of stingers from several 10-22s and other 22 rifles and handguns I own with zero problems. IMHO many of the warnings against using them are just another example of manufacturers trying to "Lawyer proof" their products. Ruger also advises against doing anything to alter the miserable 7-9 trigger pulls of box stock 10-22s. If I had to live with these factory trigger pulls I wouldn't have a single 10-22 in my collection. I do think stingers result in a more robust bolt thrust. It's a good idea to use a bolt buffer in your 10-22 if shooting stingers for that reason. That said I think anyone who plans on shooting their 10-22 very much should install a bolt buffer regardless of the ammo used. A bolt buffer and trigger job are my first two alterations for each of the four 10-22s I've purchased. Money well spent and I don't have a bunch to spare. Good luck with whatever ammo you decide to use.

ClayinAR
October 11, 2008, 06:17 AM
About 30 years ago I tried most all brands of 22's. Stingers were the most accurate. A couple of years ago I started shooting 22's again. The Stingers I had left were still super accurate. I eventually ran out and bought some of current manufacture.
Guess what? Accuracy gone to hell. In the same rifles.
The cheapest (Champion) shoot better in all my guns than current Stingers.

rcmodel
October 11, 2008, 01:42 PM
I've been shooting stingers since they came out in the mid 70's from all my .22's. Never had a problem.+1
CCI is not in the business of making ammo that will damage the most popular .22 rifle ever made.
Or any other modern gun, for that matter.

If they will feed & extract in your gun, shoot them!


BTW: The only .22 ammo currently on the market that I have reservations about using in a semi-auto is Aguila SSS with the huge 60 grain bullet. They really thump a semi-auto action.

But, they also don't shoot worth a tinkers dam in standard .22 rifling twist either, so I don't use them anyway.

http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/Aguila_22_SSS_box.html

rcmodel

theNoid
October 11, 2008, 02:15 PM
I guess I am just lucky as my wife's 10/22 prefers Remmy T-bolts...keeping things on the cheaper side of life. :)

Noidster

351 WINCHESTER
October 11, 2008, 06:13 PM
I don't see how a stinger will touch the lands or wear out a buffer or any other part quicker than any other hv round. The overall length is the same and I believe the pressure is too. It's just loaded with more powder and a lighter bullet to get the higher velocity. Heck I just priced some stingers today and they were $7. for 50. Talk about a rip off. CB longs were $9. per hundred which is awful high too.

Like I said I've been shooting stingers since they first came out. I've probably shot more stingers than 99% of the people on this forum. I have never had a missfire or any problem whatsoever. Most were shot in a nylon 66 with no ill effects whatsoever and they were accurate as all getout and they kill game better than any .22 round I have ever used.

orvpark
October 11, 2008, 07:41 PM
Basically you may wear one out at 58000 rounds rather than 60000

mljdeckard
October 11, 2008, 08:43 PM
I'm absolutely with Quickrick, if Ruger said not to use them, it's soley to be a butt-cover. If Stingers have been out for going on 30 years, NO MANUFACTURER of arms is going to ship a gun that is seriously vulnerable to excessive wear from any commonly used ammo. If you're worried about it, go to Brownell's and order Volquartzen pins, bolt, springs etc. to protect against premature wear.

I use Stingers and Velocitors exclusively in my 1911 conversion kit, it has a buffer, no signs of excessive wear after 1000s of rds. They are the ones that will cycle the slide reliably. (Come to think of it, since I broke it in, I can't remember if I've ever had a stoppage of any kind with CCI hyper-vel.)

Look at it this way. If you shoot a lot of .22, it's probably to save money in the first place. You might as well make the most of it. Like someone else said above, the worst that might happen is some parts will start to wear out after 58,000 rounds instead of 60. Or you might never see any wear at all. My dad proudly claims; "I've probably shot 100,000 rounds through that 10/22, and even cleaned it once or twice." I think a lot of other factors are going to wear it out before hot ammo.

xd45gaper
October 11, 2008, 09:45 PM
LOL never knew that i dont know how many stingers i have put threw my 10/22 well over 1k of them at the very min. have not seen one problem with it yet. still runs like a top!

Dookie
October 12, 2008, 01:12 AM
I don't see how a stinger will touch the lands or wear out a buffer or any other part quicker than any other hv round. The overall length is the same and I believe the pressure is too. It's just loaded with more powder and a lighter bullet to get the higher velocity.The stinger casing is physically longer, by almost 1/8", they use a 32 gr pill on a longer casing so that is how they get the higher performance. The 17 Mach 2 is a Stinger case necked down, the 17 Aguilla is a LR case necked down.

Other than bad accuracy in most of my 10/22's they cause no problems.

HGUNHNTR
October 12, 2008, 02:20 PM
Of course higher pressure rounds will do more damage to internal parts subject to wear. You can, eventually, wear any gun out even using ammo specifically designed for it. In some rifles this is hundreds of rounds (think Lazzeroni), and others such as .22's this could be hundreds of thousands of rounds. Will stingers wear out a .22 faster than standard velocity, yes, could that possibly take several lifetimes, probably!

1911Gunslinger
October 12, 2008, 03:05 PM
You will not see any difference in the stingers wearing out your rifle quicker. The stingers use a lighter bullet than standard which accounts for a lot of the increased speed. They do have a larger powder charge but not so much as to negatively affect the firearm. Stingers suffer from accuracy problems though. Very few guns will shoot them as well as regular 22 ammo.

HGUNHNTR
October 13, 2008, 12:26 PM
Increased speed=increased heat, increased heat=increased wear.

1911Gunslinger
November 1, 2008, 11:41 PM
Increased speed....yes but they also have less bearing surface which means less friction in the barrel.

lonegunman
November 2, 2008, 12:20 AM
I have ran about 50,000 rounds thru my 10/22 since I was a kid. Probably 10,000 Stingers that I used on 10,000 rats. The gun works fine to this day. It is at least thirty years old.

MIL-DOT
November 2, 2008, 01:02 AM
As .22's tend to last a notoriously long time, if something caused,say a 20% reduction in longevity, most shooters would likely never notice.
From what I'm reading, the science seems to support the Stingers=increased-wear theory,and therefore all the claims of "my rifle's fine after x amount of rounds" don't refute it.

SlamFire1
November 2, 2008, 03:30 PM
I shot Stingers in my Volquartsen barreled 10/22 during ammo tests. They shot awful!

The 10/22 is a blowback weapon. Maybe stingers move that breechblock back faster than Ruger likes.

mgregg85
November 2, 2008, 04:38 PM
Stingers won't hurt an off the shelf, ruger 10/22.

pgeleven
November 4, 2008, 03:47 AM
before i knew any better, i tried a box of stingers through my VQ barrel and they would stick in the chamber. i do believe the longer case is the main culprit, no other reasonable explanation. had to pry the b*stards out

foghornl
November 4, 2008, 08:36 AM
Ruger states in their manual NOT to use "Stingers" in the 10/22T...The Target model due to longer case and tighter target-grade chamber tolerances.

I have used some Stingers in my 40th Year 10/22 without any issues.

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