[doctorhumbert]

Lately, I took interest in European .22 pistols. These things look awesome. I wonder how accurate they are? Anybody have one? They are very pricey.
http://www.targetshooting.ca/graphics/equip-guns/fwb-anschutz/fwb_aw93_cal22_g.jpg
http://www.hammerliusa.com/208full.jpg
http://www.fasdomino.com/images/lepistol/fire/sp607.jpg

[Benjamin]

I don't have experience with any of the pistols you posted, but I have used a Walther GSP and Pardini 22 lr extensively.

Both have mechanical accuracy greater than pretty much any shooter I've ever seen.

When I switched from the Pardini to the Walther, my initial impression was that the Pardini was a bit more user friendly. Also, it's a touch lighter..whatever that's worth.

And yes, they do get quite 'spensive.

[doctorhumbert]

How potentially accurate are they at 25 yards? 1/2?", 1/4"?, 1/8???!!!!

[martin]

I have a pair of Walther GSPs - one in .22 LR and the other in .32 S&W Long. From a Ransom Rest they are as accurate as the ammo that goes through them.

[George Hill]

Yeah, they look crazy cool. Most free pistols do.

Try a SIG Trailside. Very similar. Made for SIG by the Hammerli guys.

[10-Ring]

Very nice ;) I'd also like to nominate the HK uber pistol P7K3 for consideration :cool:

[Graystar]

From a Ransom Rest they are as accurate as the ammo that goes through them. martin said it. The Ruger Competition Mark II is about as accurate as well. It's the trigger that kills the Mark II...its design limits it from ever being as good as top level .22s.

For that kind of money I'm sticking to my trusty S&W M41.

[Black Snowman]

You want an uber-.22 pistol cheap look at the Russian competition pistol imported by EAA. The guys at the local gun shop swear by it for accurate pistol work. They admit that the Ham. is better but only by a tiny margin and they say it's superior to the new Beretta .22 which is about twice the price.

http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/rifles/targetrifles/izh35/index.shtml

[BigG]

There is a Benelli that was imported by EAA a few years ago, maybe still is. Frighteningly accurate.

[Chris Rhines]

I have an older Pardini SPE .22 standard pistol. I've shot many different European target pistols, and the Pardini is my favorite.

I've never fired it from a Ransom Rest, but from a solid benchrest I have no trouble turning in ten-shot groups under an inch, center to center, at fifty yards.

In the interests of full disclosure, I can do the same thing with my Ruger MkII. But my bullseye scores are around 10 to 15 points higher (out of the 300-point NMC) with the Pardini. Making an accurate .22 pistol is not hard or expensive. What you're paying for when you buy a European uber-.22 are the perfect ergonomics, adjustable triggers, and fine sights. My Pardini isn't any more accurate than my MkII, but it is far, far more shootable.

- Chris

P.S. - if you're looking at getting into Bullseye pistol, or just buying a Euro .22 for fun, used Pardinis can sometimes be found for very good prices. I paid $600 for mine.

[Khornet]

they're semiauto target guns. And they are lovely. I'v shot bullseye matches with a borrowed Hammerli 208s...exquisite.

I agree that they aren't more accurate than a Ruger MkII; it's all the other stuff that makes them easier to shoot up to their potential you're paying for.

I also agree that I'll stick with my Model 41.

Nygord often has used specimens at good prices:

www.nygord-precision.com

[tex_n_cal]

a 1960's uber .22:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=29071

I win:D

[Sactown]

Nice pic, Tex_N_Cal

[Standing Wolf]

tex_n_cal:

I wish I'd taken that photograph of my Medalist! Well done!

[targetshooting.ca]

Hi.

If you're interested in looking at the target guns like the Fienwerkbau, Walther, Pardini, Hammerli, IZH-35, etc, check out the link below:

TargetShooting Canada Competition Arms Database (http://www.targetshooting.ca/firearm_db.cfm)

Currently, it lists over 100 different competition grade rifles and pistols. Sorry: no prices though. I just love 'em: I don't sell 'em.

Patrick Haynes
Webmaster,

TargetShooting Canada (http://www.targetshooting.ca)

[doctorhumbert]

Thank you, actually that's where I got all the pic and information on above .22s:D I hope you didn't mind me borrowing site's pic.
Very informative site, though it's for the shooters across the border.

I never watched olympic shooting match, so how far do they shoot, and how good of shots are those olympic shooters?

[Justin]

Sport Pistol and Rapid Fire Pistol are shot at 25 meters. Free Pistol is shot at 50 meters. Air Pistol is shot at 10 meters.

As to how accurate these competitors are...
very

For more information, check out the website for USA Shooting-
http://www.usashooting.com

For more information on the various Olympic Shooting Sports:
http://www.usashooting.com/Disciplines/pistoldesc.cfm#about

[targetshooting.ca]

Yes, they are good. As an additional note, air pistol is shot at 10m (approx. 33 feet, I believe).

The rapid fire shooters (men's event) are delivering 5 shots, one on each of 5 targets in 4 strings each, at 8 seconds, 6 seconds, and 4 seconds. Yes IPSC can have higher speed requirements, but the accuracy factor is alot higher as well, at 25m. If you can't regularly shoot 98-100 often, then you are in trouble. Free pistol (men's), sport pistol (women's) and air (both seperately) don't expect perfection, but if you're not regularly shooting 95%+, then you're not internationall competitive. And, relatively speaking, the 10 is very, very small.

Patrick