308 or 30-06?


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viking499
October 11, 2008, 11:36 PM
Any reason to choose one over the other in a bolt gun? Main use would be hunting deer sized game.

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TCB in TN
October 11, 2008, 11:51 PM
Not really, for deer hunting. The .308 has very slightly less recoil, a slightly shorter bolt throw, and the the 30-06 has a slightly better variety of common loads. Neither is a big deal for deer hunting. I would just get whichever I could find the best deal on!

Bill2e
October 12, 2008, 12:02 AM
A deer wont't really care if he is killed by a .30-06 or a .308. Get the one you want.

The .308 is popular now, but the 06 is a classic cartridge that every one should own.

Now the only reason I see to get the 308 over the 06 would be if I wanted an AR-10 also & wanted common ammo.

H1500308
October 12, 2008, 12:10 AM
...I got one of each. Bought the .308 first. It'll do pretty much anything a 30.06 will do with a 150g bullet. The 30.06 is better for bullets upwards of 180g

I bought the 30.06 for precisely the reason mentioned above. It's a classic that everyone should own. Plus I had a bunch of 30.06 brass lying around and I reload....

...plus, I like .30 caliber bolt action rifles

doc busha
October 12, 2008, 12:28 AM
30.06 all the way!
If you can't kill it with a 30.06
you can't kill it

cbrgator
October 12, 2008, 12:30 AM
30.06 all the way!
If you can't kill it with a 30.06
you can't kill it

You sure? =)

(I LOVE 30-06)

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 12:32 AM
ammo selection and price is slightly in the 06'es favor

But honestly it's so close I would shop more with the individual rifle in mind. Just buy the gun you like best and don't sweat the caliber

elmerfudd
October 12, 2008, 12:32 AM
Not enough difference between the two to really matter. With lighter bullets, (150gr. and less), they have nearly identical ballistics. With heavier bullets, (180gr or more), the 06 has a slight advantage. The .308 can use a short action and can get by with a slightly shorter barrel. The 06 kicks a little more. The thing to notice here though are the words "slight" and "little", because for a hunting rifle that's all the difference you're talking about.

Personally, I prefer the .308, but if a similar rifle in 30-06 were $50 cheaper I'd probably get it instead.

Ridgerunner665
October 12, 2008, 12:44 AM
The 308 can be had in a smaller package (shorter barrel) that will still give 100% of its advertised performance.

You can whack the barrel off on a 30-06 too...but then its weaker than the 308. The 30-06 needs a long barrel to burn all that slow burning powder.

The 308 can do its job with a 20 inch barrel....it uses medium burn rate powders.

There is VERY, VERY little difference between them...and there is no deer that is going to know which one you shot him with as long as you make a good hit.

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 12:53 AM
You can whack the barrel off on a 30-06 too...but then its weaker than the 308. The 30-06 needs a long barrel to burn all that slow burning powder.

The 308 can do its job with a 20 inch barrel....it uses medium burn rate powders .

GUYS please buy a $100 chronograph so you can stop repeating these tired old gun rag myths from the 70's

With the same bullet weights 308 and 30-06 pretty much use the SAME powders with their top preforming loads.

A 30/06 load that's faster than a 308 load in a 24" bbl will still be faster in a 20"tube. Just like a 300wm in a 20"bbl will be faster than both

and lastly all the powder that is going to burn in a rifle cartridge will have done so in the first few inches of bbl if the opposite were true rifle caliber handguns wouldn't work at all. As evidenced by the fact that the fastest loads for a 24" rifle are still the fastest loads for a 14" encore handgun utilizing the same powders

XD-40 Shooter
October 12, 2008, 01:17 AM
Since the .308 has about 20% less recoil and you only lose about 5% in velocity, compared to the 30-06, I'd go with the .308.

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 01:20 AM
Since the .308 has about 20% less recoil

LOL what the heck ever! Have you shot both in a similar rifle? You literally cannot tell the difference. Same bullet same velocity 20% recoil......since when did Winchester suspend newtons 3 law of motion

Where do you 308 guy's get this stuff?

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 01:22 AM
double

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 01:24 AM
triple

dmazur
October 12, 2008, 01:25 AM
It's a toss-up, as others have posted.

As the .30-06 is the most common caliber for the Garand, it's a short step to getting one of those...so save your brass! ( :) )

TCB in TN
October 12, 2008, 01:32 AM
Since the .308 has about 20% less recoil and you only lose about 5% in velocity, compared to the 30-06, I'd go with the .308.

With the same loads outta the same platform? :eek:

I have never heard that? You sure about that?

Last time I checked a 150gr going 2600fps outta a 8lb rifle kicked the same no matter what "cal" it came out of. Maybe I missed something in physics class somewhere along the line, but some how I don't think so.

TCB in TN
October 12, 2008, 01:34 AM
Technical Difficulties

TCB in TN
October 12, 2008, 01:35 AM
Technical Difficulties

TCB in TN
October 12, 2008, 01:36 AM
Technical Difficulties

lonegunman
October 12, 2008, 01:36 AM
Either will work for deer sized game.

30-06 will work with everything from 110gr to 220gr bullets making it suitable for anything from coyotes to moose.

.308 is incredibly accurate and it hard to beat with 155-175gr bullets.


There are some things you might want to consider besides deer sized game.

Ease of finding and cost of buying ammo. Types and weights of available bullets from commerical makers. Weither or not you plan on reloading and the cost of componets.

The difference is probably slight but it might help.

TCB in TN
October 12, 2008, 01:37 AM
Technical Difficulties

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 01:43 AM
quadruple

what the heck happened?

Sunray
October 12, 2008, 02:47 AM
"...suitable for anything from coyotes to moose..." So is the .308, .270, .280, etc, etc.
Ballistically, the .30-06 and .308 are identical. Using the same Remington factory 165 grain Premier AccuTip bullet, there's 78fps difference and 105 ft-lbs of energy at 500 yards, in favour of the .30-06, and the case length. The '06 can use a 20 grain heavier max bullet weight(220 vs 200), but that really means nothing. Both give the best accuracy using 165 grain hunting bullets and/or 168 or 175 grain match bullets.
"...the .308 has about 20% less recoil..." That's nonsense.
The .308 lets you use a shorter action. If that matters to you.

Snapping Twig
October 12, 2008, 03:48 AM
Both overlap and the differences are as follows:

.308 = short throw bolt
.30-06 = long throw bolt

No big whoop.

The case is larger on the .30-06, so realize that for any given bullet weight, the .30-06 is POTENTIALLY faster. This means that while in factory loadings a 150g round may be the same in fps, as a reloader you can kick up the velocity in the .30-06 more than you can with the .308.

You pretty much run out of steam on the heavier bullets with the .308, so if you want to shoot elk with 200g bullets, the .30-06 is your caliber, its got a bigger engine.

Either way, they prety much do the same thing in the same way, save for heavier bullets where the .30-06 shines.

sarduy
October 12, 2008, 04:34 AM
lets say a .308 is a V-6 Mustang
and a 30-06 is a V-8 Mustang...

both will go at 100mph just fine...but the V-8 will have more horsepower...

Dookie
October 12, 2008, 05:15 AM
Uhh, the 30-06 does kick more, I have a Mauser 30-06 that weighs a few pounds more than my Mossberg 308 and the -06 definitely has more kick shooting the same grain bullet, both have nice cushy pads on them so it don't matter to me.

Ridgerunner665
October 12, 2008, 06:09 AM
Krochus,

Those are not tired old facts from the 70's, I have 3 chrono's and know how to use them.

I also have a 308 T/C Contender...and it does not get its best speed with RL 15 like my rifles do...it does MUCH better with AA2230.

And the 30-06 does use slow powders...so do all of its offspring (25-06, 270, 280, etc), and they need a longer barrel to get up to speed...we've had this argument before...

I worked up a load for a friend who had a chopped 30-06...a T/C Encore in 30-06 with a 15 inch barrel, and I know for a fact that my 308 Encore with a 14 inch barrel was 100 FPS faster in all bullet weights with any powder made...H4895 was best for the 30-06 (thats a medium burn rate powder) and AA2230 is best in the 308 (thats a VERY fast burning powder)

I'm on my way out to see if I can find Bambi's daddy....more when I come back.

B.D. Turner
October 12, 2008, 06:57 AM
I have taken deer with both the .308 (spanish mauser) and the .30-06(winchester mod 70). Both deer were dead on the spot.

onebigelf
October 12, 2008, 09:09 AM
and lastly all the powder that is going to burn in a rifle cartridge will have done so in the first few inches of bbl if the opposite were true rifle caliber handguns wouldn't work at all. As evidenced by the fact that the fastest loads for a 24" rifle are still the fastest loads for a 14" encore handgun utilizing the same powders

Really? Is that why the military is having so much trouble with the M-4 developing enough velocity for the 5.56 round to fragment properly?

I wish people wouldn't keep distributing these same old tired internet myths....

John

Roadkill
October 12, 2008, 09:18 AM
I load and shoot both. Tend to favor the .308 in semi autos (FAL - M14S) and the 30-06 for bolt actions (FN Mauser, 03, 03A3, P17), with the exception of the Garand. Use a 180g bullet in bolt action 30-06, 150g for .308.

jmr40
October 12, 2008, 09:27 AM
I don't know where some of these guys are getting their ammo but I have several rifles in each caliber and the 06 shoots equal bullet weights a bit faster and in identical guns has a bit more recoil. The difference is small but real.

I like both and if deer sized animals are all you plan to hunt both are really overkill. If there is a possibility of game larger than deer I like the 06 because it will handle heavier bullets.

For target shooting I shoot my .308's a bit better and the difference in recoil could be part of the reason. I can still get .308 ammo a bit cheaper than any 30-06 I have been able to find.

I could not decide and ended up several of each. If forced to keep only one gun it would be the 30-06.

jkingrph
October 12, 2008, 11:07 AM
I have several rifles in 30-06 none in 308. Reason, back in 1963 Dad won a Win Mod 70 featherweight in 30-06 in a sales contest and gave to me, hence my longtime affair with the '06.

Friends in national guard also gave me a lot of ammo, they had more of that than of 308.

If that first rifle had been a 308, the other 30-06's would probably have been in 308.

For practical use I do not see that much difference. Look at bullets available, loading manuals to see what you can do with them, and consider what you are to be hunting.

Like most folks say, unless you are to hunt larger animals, moose, elk, bears other thant black bear, the 308 will be more than adequate. If you go for the larger animals and need the heavier bullets, then go with the '06 as it has a slight edge.

Ash
October 12, 2008, 11:18 AM
I have both. However, I tend to prefer the 30-06. In Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Alabama, and Florida, there is really no difference. However, the 30-06 can accept a greater variety of bullets and so is technically more versatile for a one-gun person. Me, I have 243, 308, 30-06, and 7mm Mag. I have my bases covered no matter what.

But my first was a 30-06.

Ash

Ben Shepherd
October 12, 2008, 12:27 PM
Up to a 150-165 grain slug, with both calibers working at max SAMMI pressures, there isn't a lick of difference in thier potential. The individual chamber/barrel in question will be the deciding factor.

150-165 grain out of either caliber is an EXCELLENT choice for deer. So which ever you find first in a gun that fits you, in your price range.

Around my neck of the woods there is a slight advantage in ammo avalibility favoring the '06.

Now, if there's an elk or moose hunt in your future? The '06 handles the heavier 180-200 grainers MUCH better.

XD-40 Shooter
October 12, 2008, 01:27 PM
Granted, I'm comparing different rifles of different weight here, but according to my Lee shooter program, the recoil difference between the 30-06 and .308 is significant. In my dad's 7lb Browning 30-06, with a 165 grain load, it shows 20 ft lbs recoil. In our Remmy 700 tactical, 20" heavy barrel, .308, which weighs in at about 8 lbs, it show's a recoil energy of about 16 ft lbs.

That's right at 20% less recoil energy.:neener:

By the way, when I shoot both of these rifles, I can definitely tell the difference. 20 rounds from the 30-06 and my shoulder is feeling it. 40 rounds out of the .308 and I'm still doing fine.

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 01:35 PM
Really? Is that why the military is having so much trouble with the M-4 developing enough velocity for the 5.56 round to fragment properly?

I wish people wouldn't keep distributing these same old tired internet myths....

John

DUH!

Because the rapidly expanding gasses from the BURNT powder don't have as much time to push on the base of the bullet in a short barrel.

If what you say were true you could simply load 5.56 with a faster powder and not lose any velocity in a shorter barrel. BUT IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY!

And the 30-06 does use slow powders...so do all of its offspring (25-06, 270, 280, etc), and they need a longer barrel to get up to speed...we've had this argument before...

I use the same can of varget to load 30-06 and 308 with the same bullet weights and get the same top levels of performance. There aren't many 30-06 loads that utilize powders as slow as the other cartridges you cite, 270 and 25/06 really shine with IMR 4831 this powder is far too slow for top preformance in 30/06 when shooting the same weight range of projectiles as 308

XD-40 Shooter
October 12, 2008, 01:41 PM
Another advantage to the .308, you can get full velocity out of a 20" barrel, its a very efficient cartridge. SWAT teams have even gone down to 18" barrels with only 30 fps velocity loss.

The .308 will handle Elk sized game out to 200 yards, its not ideal, but it'll get the job done. Just make sure you've got a good 180 grain bullet.

Ash
October 12, 2008, 01:51 PM
Still, 30-06 is more versatile. The 308 may be just as good in most circumstances, but the 30-06 can do more. 308 might work for Elk, but 30-06 works better.

Now, SWAT uses are not really useful in the discussion for a hunting rifle. The kind of rifle used by a precision sniper can be used in hunting, but it is not a hunting rifle and few would say it is ideal for that role. Therefore, the cartridge selection is not really all that useful, either.

As used by SWAT, the 30-06 is slightly less accurate, or at least it is on paper, and so the 308 has the advantage. But in hunting, any potential advantage the 308 provides to SWAT teams is outweighed by the advantages in hunting the 30-06 provides.

In either case, the 308 or the 30-06 will do just about anything you need in North America. While there is a real difference, the difference may make no difference at all.

Ash

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 02:31 PM
http://www.shootingsoftware.com/images/sampletrace1.gifhttp://www.shootingsoftware.com/images/sampletrace1.gif
it supposedly takes about 1.5 milliseconds for a bullet to get out the end of the barrel

as you can see from this pressure trace by half that distance almost 50% of the pressure has bled off by 2/3 way down the bbl this is due to the ever increasing volume it has to fill as the bullet progressed down the bore. You can also quite clearly see the point where the powder charge gets converted into a very high pressure charge of gasses at the peak pressure event. Everything past that point is simply the bullet getting pushed out of the way so those gasses can get to where they want to go, IE atmospheric pressure after the bullet leaves the muzzle

Guns don't work like rockets, the propellant must be converted to gas VERY rapidly for a firearm to preform at all.

John Barnsess wrote a great article about this and other handloading myths for the July 2002 issue of handloader magazine

1911Gunslinger
October 12, 2008, 02:53 PM
30 06 has an advantage in velocity which will help with longer shots but .308 are short actions(the receiver is shorter) and function better with shorter barrels which can amount to a 1/2 to 1 lb weight savings and shorter barrels make for quicker pointing rifles, both important factors if you are in the woods.

TCB in TN
October 12, 2008, 03:04 PM
Granted, I'm comparing different rifles of different weight here, but according to my Lee shooter program, the recoil difference between the 30-06 and .308 is significant. In my dad's 7lb Browning 30-06, with a 165 grain load, it shows 20 ft lbs recoil. In our Remmy 700 tactical, 20" heavy barrel, .308, which weighs in at about 8 lbs, it show's a recoil energy of about 16 ft lbs.

That's right at 20% less recoil energy.

By the way, when I shoot both of these rifles, I can definitely tell the difference. 20 rounds from the 30-06 and my shoulder is feeling it. 40 rounds out of the .308 and I'm still doing fine.

You are also missing the major difference in platforms. Different ergonomics result in different "felt recoil". With the same bullet, loaded to the same velocities, out of the same platform there is no difference in recoil from two 30 cal rifles. Using differing loads out of different platforms of course there will be a difference!

Neo-Luddite
October 12, 2008, 03:05 PM
.30-06-----because the CMP doesn't have any 7.62 NATO to sell you for 26 cents a round--and NO ONE else does either.

And owing to the specifics of ATF regs AP m2 in .06 is LEGALLY sporting ammo that can be sold without restriction. Not true of AP loaded in a 7.62 case. You're rolling your own on that.

These reasons and all the above named ones. .308 is fine, but .06 has a slight edge in terms of subtle extremes of performnace admitedly on the edge of the 'but who CARES' curve.

If we were suddenly awash in cheap .308, then I'd say go for it.

But for now the King is still King of the Center fire world and not seeming ready to abdicate in favor of the (also venerable) Crown Prince.

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 03:10 PM
Comparing the same remington SPS a 30-06 weighs 7 3/8 pounds, a 308 tips the scales at 7 1/4 lbs.

The differences is a whopping 1/8th of a pound

the OAL length of a 30/06 is a mere 7/8 of an inch longer than the same 308 sps.

Let's keep it real here, if action length and handling were that important we'd all be hunting with break action single shots. After all an encore with a 28" barrel is shorter overall than a rem700 with a 22" tube

kcmarine
October 12, 2008, 03:19 PM
Not this argument again.

XD-40 Shooter
October 12, 2008, 04:30 PM
TCB, I agree. In the same weight rifle/platform, the recoil would be about the same for 30-06 and .308. As far as cheap ammo is concerned, wideners.com has surplus yugo .308 FMJ for $99/200 rounds. Wideners claims they have fired this stuff and its good ammo.

By the way, I don't hunt, I just enjoy long range paper punching. I really like the .308 for this purpose. The Remmy 700 SPS tactical is a really sweet rifle.

kount_zer0
October 12, 2008, 04:48 PM
any reason to chose one over the other

For deer hunting, not really. For Elk, I picked the '06 to stay in a comfotable margin of velocity with heavier bullets. The '06 is very slightly more versatile with heavier 30cal projectiles. Higher case capacity in the '06 allows higher velocity within the same margins of pressure safety.

The rifle I was thinking of had identical weight in both calibers, despite the action length differences - go figure.

Where I live, 30-06 ammo can be had more often for less cash in most places, but that was only a consideration while I was shooting factory ammo to get brass and practice at the same time, since I reload.

In the rifle I was looking at the '06 will handle heavier bullets well, since I can seat the projectile close to the lands and still have room in the magazine.

Recoil may be differnt in different rifls, but it's so subjective as to be ignored. Neither is uncomfortable, especially fitted with a good after market recoil pad.

The differences are all in the details, which limits any practical difference to nil, unless you're looking for something specific.

Ash
October 12, 2008, 04:53 PM
Many rifles do 308 in a short action but there are a tremendous number of 308's out there in standard actions and for them there is no difference in length of throw. However, even in those rifles where length of throw is different, if that short distance is enough to make a difference, you probably should not have taken the shot in the first place.

In any case, the first shot cares little what length action it comes out of.

Ash

gentleman987
October 12, 2008, 05:03 PM
The reason i chose the 308. is because i wanted a shorter action thats one of the few reasons the 300-06 has a wider selection of ammo

Vern Humphrey
October 12, 2008, 05:13 PM
As I have pointed out, factory loads in the .30-06 are held to a bit lower pressure than the .308, or to put it another way, the .308 does what it does by being loaded to higher pressure than the .30-06.

Now, if your .30-06 is something other than a low-number Springfield, you can load it to the same pressure as a .308 and gain around 1-200 fps.

CYANIDEGENOCIDE
October 12, 2008, 05:15 PM
get the .30-06 you can always download to .308 standards. When you decide you want to run a 220 gr bullet you still have the option.

Dookie
October 12, 2008, 05:21 PM
If it strictly for deer, not elk or moose, think about the .243 win, incredible ballistics, cheap ammo, very accurate, flat shooting, and can double as a cheap varmint round.

Quickdraw Limpsalot
October 12, 2008, 06:58 PM
They're both wonderful cartridges and you won't be disappointed with either choice. Arguing over which is better is pointless and exhausting.

BigBuckMaster
October 12, 2008, 06:59 PM
either or. i would get the .308 if it is your first big-cal rifle. the .308 is easier to control though. good luck, and go with remington 700.

10-Ring
October 12, 2008, 08:04 PM
I"ve been going back & forth on this one myself.
I've settle w/ the 30-06 because of the variety of ammo & the idea that I can take bigger game if I put myself in that situation

Ben Shepherd
October 12, 2008, 08:11 PM
So basically, what everyone's saying is either will work well. AND the thread has stayed civil so far.;)

Basically, for deer only, the rifle being what YOU want is a more important choice than which of these 2 calibers.

Let us know what you pick. I imagine we're all pretty curious....

Ridgerunner665
October 12, 2008, 08:35 PM
krochus,

I agree with you on some of that....powder has to burn to release its energy, but different powders release that energy at different rates of speed (burn rates).

You mentioned Varget and top levels of performance...You will get more speed from RL19, IMR4831, N550.

If you don't believe barrel length and powder burn rate go hand in hand, all you have to do is look at Sierras single shot handgun load data...they list 6 powders for the handgun loads...For the rifle data, they list 21 powders, with the slower powders giving the best velocity.

Some powders are more versatile than others, and Varget is one of them. Varget's burn rate varies depending on load density...In my experience, the hotter the load, the slower it burns.

Reloder 15 (my personal favorite) is also versatile...even more so than Varget. It gives good results out of short or long barrels.

And you're right...I used a bad example (25-06, 270) because they do use very slow powders. But I still stand by what I said, slower powders like RL 19 will give better results (more speed) than the fast ones in 30-06. RL19 in a short 308 don't do so good....

With powders that are ideal for it, the 308 can get up to 2750 FPS with 168 grain bullets out of a 20 inch barrel.

I like the 30-06, I have 2 of them...but the 308 is better in shorter rifles. Its a more efficient round...it nearly matches the 30-06, and does it with several grains less powder. Its also easier on barrels (because of the lighter powder charges).

We are both right...we just don't agree on it.:)

High Planes Drifter
October 12, 2008, 08:43 PM
Either will work fine. Out of the 2, I would go with the .06 .

Take a look at the 6.5x55 also for a GP hunting caliber.

R.W.Dale
October 12, 2008, 09:04 PM
Ridgerunner665

I think we're arguing the same things but from different sides. and I beleive it just depends on where you get your data

I like to cite Hodgon's data center and according to thier data almost across the board the top performer is Varget for 150 to 168g bullets for both cartridges in handguns and rifles.

It's also true that when you drop down to handgun length barrels 308 does begin to have a slight velocity edge, but again this is in a 14" barrel not 20" tubes. I also believe this isn't a direct result of burn rate but rather a more basic function of 308's higher pressure rating.

I believe case capacity, bore case ratio and pressure rating have much more of a bearing on optimum burn rates than bbl length

Shawnee
October 12, 2008, 09:06 PM
"Any reason to choose one over the other in a bolt gun? Main use would be hunting deer sized game."

The .308 is a short-action caliber and that may provide you with a little more flexibility in mounting a scope.

With that said - both of them are more blast, recoil and power than anyone needs for hunting deer-sized or elk-sized game.

:cool:

Ridgerunner665
October 12, 2008, 09:16 PM
Glad we worked that out...
My "go to" data is Sierra...but the reason I say RL 15 will get more speed is from experience...I've tried them all in 308 and nothing will get more speed out of a 308. (loaded to 62k psi...RL15 is at the slow end of the medium burn rate powders)

For 30-06 (22 and 24 inch barrels), again ...from experience, there are 2 powders that give the best speed...RL19 and IMR 4831. (loaded to 60k psi) (as a point of interest...RL15 also does better than Varget in the 30-06...its burn rate is a tad slower than Varget)

The reasons I prefer slower powders are (1) they give more speed and (2) I greatly prefer high load density...105% if I can get it. I like my cases full.

I also use QuickLoad to get load data...it has saved me a small fortune in unused powder.

CB900F
October 12, 2008, 09:30 PM
Fella's;'

I can only say about the comment that the .308 has 20% less recoil, that they can't have been shot from the same platform. That means the same maker and model, just a caliber change, same barrel length etc.

I can see someone making the remark after shooting two different guns. What the shooter hasn't realized is that stock design has a large effect upon percieved recoil. So does platform weight. For instance; take six rounds of .338 Winchester magnum factory ammo, 225 grain let's say. Shoot three rounds offhand out of a Ruger stainless synthetic boat-oar stocked gun. Then shoot the other three rounds out of damn near anything else. But, to name names, let's use a Browning stainless stalker.

I confidently predict that you will experience notably different recoil "impressions" from the two platforms. Even "lasting" impressions as it were.

Grin - 900F

Ridgerunner665
October 12, 2008, 09:38 PM
Ok...I'll throw in my 2 cents worth on the recoil. From the same platform, firing the same bullets...the 308 will kick less because it uses a smaller powder charge...it won't be a huge difference, but its a difference none the less.

Ridgerunner665
October 13, 2008, 01:02 AM
I believe case capacity, bore case ratio and pressure rating have much more of a bearing on optimum burn rates than bbl length

I forgot to offer my thoughts on that...so here they are.

Everything in that phrase works together, that's what makes the 308 (and a few others) an "efficient" round.

It may be an old, worn out subject...but its fun to debate anyways...this is how we learn and educate others at the same time.

USSR
October 13, 2008, 09:20 AM
Any reason to choose one over the other in a bolt gun?

Assuming you reload and will be either shooting LR or hunting big game (large bears, elk, moose, etc.), go with the .30-06. Here is my .30-06 LR load:

Lapua or LC M72 Match brass
190SMK bullet
Fed 210M primer
60.7gr RL22 powder
2900fps
30MOA from a 100 yard zero to 1k.

Main use would be hunting deer sized game.

Pick the rifle that fits you better, as both cartridges are suitable for deer sized game.

Don

Legionnaire
October 13, 2008, 09:59 AM
OP asked:Any reason to choose one over the other in a bolt gun? Main use would be hunting deer sized game.Short answer: No, if you are asking about differences in performance on deer-sized game. I'd give a slight edge to the .30-06 for larger game, as it handles heavier bullets better. That said, my personal choice was a .308 for deer. I wanted a small, carbine-length rifle for woods carry and settled on a Remington Model Seven. Because the .308 cartridge has a shorter OAL, you can use a shorter action; it's more about being handy than light weight. To me, that gives the edge to the .308.

Both are great cartridges. Eventually, you'll probably want both. If I could have only one medium caliber rifle, I'd probably opt for the .308. Nice to have both, though.

Vern Humphrey
October 13, 2008, 10:04 AM
I'd say the 7mm-08 is a fine contender in the deer hunting game -- all the slight advantages of the .308 (such as shorter action) and flatter shooting with less recoil.

lefteyedom
October 13, 2008, 11:39 AM
How many fairies can dances on the head of a pin?

Art Eatman
October 13, 2008, 12:25 PM
Someone who doesn't reload is probably just as well off with a .308 as an '06, for deer hunting. Odds are, a handloader can have more fun with an '06 than a .308, just because of the variety of "games" to play. Squirrel loads, plinkers, heavy bullets, etc. And, with a 24" to 26" barrel, a couple or three hundred ft/sec more muzzle velocity.

But Bambi won't care about all that.

Vern Humphrey
October 13, 2008, 02:19 PM
How many fairies can dances on the head of a pin?

Two -- Barnie Frank and his lover, Whatshisface Moses.:scrutiny:

dust_101
October 13, 2008, 02:36 PM
For my needs the '06 won out, but I shoot 180gn SPRN since they have tumbled every deer I've hit and they did not get up again.

Doubt you can go wrong with either one, just do your research, pick up the gun you want to buy and if possible, shoot it before you put cash on the barrelhead.

...but do post what you end up buying so we can debate that as well. =)

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 13, 2008, 03:00 PM
Any reason to choose one over the other in a bolt gun? Main use would be hunting deer sized game.

Nope. For that use, there's not gonna be a lick of difference - EXCEPT, factory ammo is cheaper in .30-'06, but it comes at the price of ever-so-slightly increased recoil. So throw a dart and pick one - you will be happy. I guess if you are toting it long distances as a "mountain gun" and thus want to go for an ultra-light rifle, the .308's action length shaves off 1/4 to 1/2 lb. Personally, I'd go .30-'06, but just because I like to light a fire under Shawnee. :p


"How many fairies can dances on the head of a pin?"

Two -- Barnie Frank and his lover, Whatshisface Moses.

LMBO! That's a larger belly laught than I deserve.

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