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September 12, 2003, 08:37 PM
Story Here. (http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0309/12/m03.html)

Mom shot near school bus stop



Playground quarrel between girls turns into violence between their parents
By Jeremy Hudson
jehudson@jackson.gannett.com

What began as a playground argument between two elementary school girls turned violent Thursday when one child's mother shot the other's in the chest near their daughters' school bus stop.

The Johnson Elementary School students, ages 10 and 12, left the school bus stop at Plymouth Heights Boulevard and Pocahontas Avenue after an argument and returned with their mothers, Jackson Police Department spokesman Robert Graham said.

"One parent was trying to leave when another parent started hitting her on the top of the head," Graham said. "Then Vanessa Rudd produced a weapon and shot the other person in the chest."

Rochelle Bailey, 35, no address available, was in critical condition at the University of Mississippi Medical Center, Graham said.

Rudd, 34, of 2906 Martin Luther King Drive, was arrested shortly after the shooting in the 300 block of Fairfield Drive and charged with aggravated assault. She is being held at the Hinds County Detention Center in Raymond without bond.

About 20 junior high school students waiting on their buses witnessed the 7:20 a.m. shooting, neighbors said. No students were injured. Elementary school students waiting for the bus had been picked up.

The shooting occurred about 110 feet from the school bus stop, Jackson Public School System officials said.

Roosevelt Flemming, who identified himself as the stepfather of Rudd's daughter, said the argument began at the Fair Park playground Saturday when his stepdaughter and another girl did not want to play with Bailey's daughter.

Tension between the two carried on throughout the week, Flemming said.

"(Bailey) was down there looking for some mess," Flemming said. "She was slapping (Rudd) in the back of the head and acting a fool up there."

Cynthia Adams, Bailey's sister, did not deny her sister pushed Rudd, but said it was Rudd who endangered the lives of other children.

"She knew what she was coming down here to do," Adams said. "Why else would you have a gun?"

John Coleman, Jackson Public Schools director of safety and security, said his officers patrol school bus stops when they are aware a potential problem exists, but were not told of the tension between the girls.

"We will have a vigorous patrol on that zone now," Coleman said. "But this (shooting) did not involve students. We can't control an extension of the community like this.

"You just don't expect grown-ups to get involved in a situation like this."

:banghead:

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RepublicanMan
September 12, 2003, 09:27 PM
If the parent was trying to leave and started getting "slapped in the head" etc...then it sounds to me as if she were choosing to avoid further confrontation and was assualted, so she defended herself. Justifiable? Probably not, but it certainly doesn't sound like she went down there with the intention of shooting someone, I do have to wonder if she has a CCP though or if she was strapped illegaly.

durango
September 12, 2003, 09:29 PM
She was "down there looking for some mess" huh.

I guess she found it.

Chipperman
September 12, 2003, 09:45 PM
"She knew what she was coming down here to do," Adams said. "Why else would you have a gun?"

Certainly not for self-defense. Only Bad people want to carry guns.
:banghead:

DigMe
September 12, 2003, 09:49 PM
Guess that's what happens when you be "acting a fool up there."

brad cook

Standing Wolf
September 12, 2003, 09:52 PM
...the argument began at the Fair Park playground Saturday when his stepdaughter and another girl did not want to play with Bailey's daughter.

Adult supervision? Are there any adults in the crowd?

WonderNine
September 12, 2003, 10:42 PM
What a mess :barf:

Stupid people and the stupid use of guns.

More fuel for the anti's.

greyhound
September 13, 2003, 09:10 AM
"She was slapping (Rudd) in the back of the head and acting a fool up there."

Jesus wept. Exactly who are the adults and who are the children in this story?

chaim
September 13, 2003, 10:55 PM
Most likely I'd say it was an unjustified shoot but a lot depends upon how and with what the woman was slapping (hitting/assulting) the other in the back of the head. Having seen the results of head trauma in a few cases, if it was me and the assult was extreme I'd shoot too.

"She knew what she was coming down here to do," Adams said. "Why else would you have a gun?" Hmm, in MS that has shall-issue CCW laws, perhaps self defense.:rolleyes: Maybe the woman had a CCW and just happened to have her gun on her...
Idiot!

Orthonym
September 14, 2003, 04:42 AM
Yawn! My Mom's side of the family is from Hinds county/Jackson. As Mr. Clemens said, murder was never considered to be a really serious crime in the South. Not like :eek: trespassing! Besides, I'll bet both parties were good-looking; there are no ugly women in MS of either color. Ah, the nostalgia! (I'm only half kidding- there's something about a sexy, crazy-dangerous female that DYs just can't understand! Sigh.)

NIGHTWATCH
September 14, 2003, 05:04 AM
She was attacked right? She stopped the attack. :) No apologies.

WonderNine
September 14, 2003, 05:30 AM
BULLSH**, you don't know the details people and neither do I.

But if somebody smacked you in the head, is it generally moral for you to shoot them in the chest? I don't think so. Be real folks.

Dilettante
September 14, 2003, 05:57 AM
there's something about a sexy, crazy-dangerous female that DYs just can't understand

You're joking, right? I'm a DY and always will be no matter even if I move all the way to Mexico. Of course sexy, crazy-dangerous females are hot.

Oops...now I see that you say we "can't understand" them...are you saying you do?;)
C'MON, MAN, WHAT'S THEIR SECRET?? :D

Dilettante
September 14, 2003, 06:02 AM
A little more seriously -- anyone who is serious about self-defense should have some training in evasion and grappling to complement their shooting skills. (Not to mention talking idiots out of fights).
If you lead a pretty normal life, you will use those skills much more often.

Wiley
September 14, 2003, 07:05 AM
Bailey guilty of Battery but not charged with anything.
Rudd guilty of self defense, charged and held without bond.

I guess I'm a real whacko because I seem to be the only one who sees a problem with this.

synoptic
September 14, 2003, 04:42 PM
I don't know how it is there, but in Texas a slap is not justifiable means for self defense. I agree with Wondernine in this case, we don't know all the details. The information in the article isn't very clear.

4v50 Gary
September 14, 2003, 04:48 PM
"Attack of the Soccer Moms!"

Where Moore is less and less is better.

Kcustom45
September 14, 2003, 11:39 PM
Maybe we should stop passing judgment without knowing all the facts?

I wonder though how easy it would be for a reporter to substitute the word slap for hit. And would that change the opinions of some people here?

LostOneToo
September 15, 2003, 12:48 AM
I'm betting that since one of them lived on Martin Luther King Blvd, that neither of them were Rhode's scholars and and the judicious use of a firearm was not part of the shooter's everyday knowledge.:neener:

Orthonym
September 15, 2003, 01:51 AM
Of COURSE I don't understand them! I'm a male! I think they're nuts and I'm still attracted to them. See my favorite Clint Eastwood movie, "The Beguiled", to learn what Mississippi females can do to an innocent, clueless yankee!

swingset
September 15, 2003, 05:03 AM
Yeah, wasn't it Chris Rock who said if you're on Martin Luther King blvd, you're in the WRONG end of town! :D

wingman
September 15, 2003, 07:09 AM
Sometimes I think perhaps the license to have a child would be more important
then to carry a gun.???

XLMiguel
September 15, 2003, 08:39 AM
Further evicence of why we need population control far more than gun control. Welcome to the Monkey House.:barf:

Zach S
September 15, 2003, 08:44 AM
BULLSH**, you don't know the details people and neither do I.

But if somebody smacked you in the head, is it generally moral for you to shoot them in the chest? I don't think so. Be real folks. Depends. Am I getting smacked in the back of the head with an open hand, an open hand with big rings turned to the inside, schoolbook, a C or D cell maglight, aluminum breifcase, or folding chair? I've been hit with all of them, not all were in the back of my head, but they were still unpleasant and/or disorientating.

Based on what I know, I dont agree with the shooting, but like you said, neither of us know the details.

Dilettante
September 16, 2003, 03:29 AM
See my favorite Clint Eastwood movie, "The Beguiled", to learn what Mississippi females can do to an innocent, clueless yankee!

THANKS FOR THE TIP, MAN!! I'm looking forward to watching the movie too. (Talk about "know before you go"...)

280PLUS
September 16, 2003, 07:57 PM
and their respective adults, i have found the children, in most cases, to be the more mature individuals,

eg,,,the adults at the little league games heckling the 15 y.o, umpire after a questionable call (not to mention the poor kid only got $10 per game to ump)

eg,,, after telling a certain daddy what a miserable little piece of work his kid was all week he tells me, " you didnt handle my son properly"

my response? "youre right, because handling him properly would have meant strangling his little :cuss: "

:fire:

right, another one for the anti's,,,

:banghead:

Dilettante
September 16, 2003, 09:26 PM
Parenthood is just biologically mandated insanity.

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