Attention New Jersey Residents !!!


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meanmotorscooter
October 15, 2008, 02:07 PM
State Assembly Bill A1282, labeled as the "Citizens' Protection Act", could give New Jersey residents the right to concealed carry.

Here's a link to the Bill:

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bi...00/1282_I1.PDF

Web Version (http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2008/Bills/A1500/1282_I1.HTM)


Here is a link to find your legislator. I urge you to contact them and ask them to support A1282

http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp (http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp)

Please pass this on to as many people as you can. Thanks !!!

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Mongrel
October 15, 2008, 04:48 PM
Thank you for the heads up.

I will contact my representatives and pass this along.

Joe Cool
October 16, 2008, 02:57 PM
Thanks for the reminder - we are on it and I am speaking at my gun club about it in the next few weeks at the monthly membership meeting...

Also wrote to my reps too! :)

FLA2760
October 16, 2008, 03:07 PM
That is great news. Let's hope that this will go through. In light of the Heller decision it may fly. If it does not NJ should be challenged in court.The obstacles and restrictions that qualified people (non felons) have to endure amount to a defacto ban despite the few carry permits they do issue.

mbdolfin
October 16, 2008, 03:40 PM
I hate to say it but this bill is going NOWHERE! It is always introduced and is always shot down. i write my representives everytime it comes up. Sorry NJ but we are just going to have to go on being unarmed victims until we elect some new politicians.

BBQLS1
October 16, 2008, 04:19 PM
Doesn't mean you should give up and quit fighting for your rights. Nobody is going to do it for you.

pilot teacher
October 16, 2008, 06:45 PM
The bill has serious defects, Note it says a handgun in possession of the driver is to be considered in possession of all the occupants. If the owner of the vehicle has a CCW that mean all the passengers require a CCW? If they don't are they considered to have broken the law and a CCW is required for anybody whose a passenger?

The bill is a lot of gibberish. Better be careful about this one. Don't forget Lautenberg is a Socio/Communist. It's the kind of law he would embrace.

Gimee a break.

There's no nebulous or smoky meaning in the Florida law

meanmotorscooter
October 16, 2008, 08:28 PM
"If there is more than one occupant in the vehicle, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of all, except under the following circumstances:

(1) When it is found upon the person of one of the occupants, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of that occupant alone"

pilot teacher
October 16, 2008, 10:11 PM
"If there is more than one occupant in the vehicle, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of all, except under the following circumstances:

(1) When it is found upon the person of one of the occupants, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of that occupant alone"

Thats what I mean by nebulous. It's wording with a paradoxial meaning and intent meant to confuse. I bet ALL the occupants will be illegally searched.

M203Sniper
October 18, 2008, 03:49 AM
Sorry NJ but we are just going to have to go on being unarmed victims until we elect some new politicians.

Sorry NJ. BUT you are going to continue being unarmed and victims until you stop electing politicians.





fixed it for you. :)

pilot teacher
October 18, 2008, 12:09 PM
This is where the law has a serious defect;
In America you are presumed to be innocent until proved guilty.
The proposed "pro-gun" law assumes you are guilty unless proved innocent as in Great Britain. Great Britain is a nation whereby if a person defends him/her self and harms the assailant, YOU THE VICTIM will go to jail.:evil:

Here such a law will slowly but surly foment into "possession of a firearm is against the law.":eek:

I don't trust any politician to look out for me with sneaky and underhanded laws. Jersyites must dump these politicians in the voting booth. Especially Lautenberg.:cuss:

(1) When it is found upon the person of one of the occupants, it shall be presumed to be in the possession of that occupant alone"

See what I mean by nebulous? If the driver is in possesion then all are assumed to be in possesion.
Can you see what could ensue? Does that mean search without a warrant? Miss interpretation by some law enforcement officers could be rampant.

Sorry, but the propsed law does no law abiding citizen a favor!

dcal
November 23, 2008, 09:21 PM
Print it out and paste it anywhere you think a NJ gun owner will see it.

Please drop by NJCSD (http://www.njcsd.org/forum) to find out more.

Old Guy
November 29, 2008, 01:42 PM
There's no nebulous or smoky meaning in the Florida law

That is why we live here Right! Well if not, a good side bar to the nice people and weather!

Martyk
December 9, 2008, 01:48 PM
What is the status of this bill? Has it been voted on yet or is there still time to contract our reps to urge support? (as fruitless as it may seem, I need the practice)

meanmotorscooter
December 9, 2008, 02:10 PM
Looks like it's stuck in the Law and Public Safety committee awaiting a vote:

"1/8/2008 Introduced, Referred to Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee"

If you click on the Last session Bill number, It looks like they always end up just never voting on it going all the way back to 1998.

Sinixstar
December 9, 2008, 03:47 PM
See what I mean by nebulous? If the driver is in possesion then all are assumed to be in possesion.
Can you see what could ensue? Does that mean search without a warrant? Miss interpretation by some law enforcement officers could be rampant.


It's pretty clearly defined that direct possession dictates ownership, and would clear anyone else in the car from possible possession. The drug laws work the same way to a degree.

If you get pulled over with 3 people in your car, and the cops find drugs under the passenger seat, everyone in the car is suspected of possession until such time as they can identify who the drugs belong to. If somebody steps up and says "that's mine" - 99.9% of the time, the other 3 people would be free to go.
It's applying the same concept to guns that they apply to drugs. Assuming that everyone in the car would have to be CCW'd because one person is carrying - is a big leap. That's not what it says - at all.

learn2shoot
December 9, 2008, 05:54 PM
I hate to say it but this bill is going NOWHERE! It is always introduced and is always shot down. i write my representives everytime it comes up. Sorry NJ but we are just going to have to go on being unarmed victims until we elect some new politicians.


I don't hate to say it but you are wrong - This is the same stuff they told Marion Hammer and the other Floridians every year in Florida when it got introduced there - all the naysayers were predicting doom and gloom - but it EVENTUALLY passed - will it happen this year in New Jersey? Don't know, but the defeatism is misplaced - it will hapopen - you need to believe it.

Pass or Fail, I thank you for your continued effort of contacting your representatives - just be sure to get others to write their reps too.

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