.177 Pellet gun for practice and squirrels


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jcjacobvt
October 15, 2008, 01:52 PM
Which brand and rifle would you suggest for a .177 pellet gun?

Use will be practice and taking squirrels in yard.

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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 15, 2008, 02:00 PM
On what budget?

jcjacobvt
October 15, 2008, 02:06 PM
budget???

I guess I need both ends of a reasonable budget. Does a $100. gun really shoot like a $400. one?

What are you shooting?

Funderb
October 15, 2008, 02:06 PM
go to wal mart and buy the one that is about $100, its actually an impressive air rifle.

Mike U.
October 15, 2008, 02:08 PM
In the lower end, my Gamo Shadow 1000 gets a hearty thumbs up.
I say "lower end" because air rifles get real expensive real fast depending on your wants or needs. I've seen air rifles that cost more than an AR or upper end AK-47. :what:
I bought my Gamo at Wallyworld for $124.95 three years ago. It spits pellets out at around 1000 FPS and the lighter alloy type pellets at speeds of up to 1250 FPS. :eek: The sound it makes with those pellets is just like a .22LR round going off. It's LOUD! And it does this with near pin-point accuracy. I've nailed over 60 tree rats this year alone and about 1/3 of them were taken with the Gamo. Most were DRT (dead right there) with the Gamo. They are serious varmints that just love living and playing and tearing up my attic so it's a kill-on-sight proposition here.

HB
October 15, 2008, 02:08 PM
RWS Panther (or 34) are great guns for the money as is the Gamo CFX. I personally like the Benjamin 392 (a .22 pump). The above are good starting airguns and with good ammo are very accurate.

HB

KBintheSLC
October 15, 2008, 02:12 PM
I picked up a Crosman 2100 Classic a while back... only $60 and does over 700fps and has a rifled barrel. I use it to dispose of unwanted garbage pigeons. I use Gamo Rocket pellets for reliable 1-shot kills. It is very accurate, and I have no problems making kills on those fat, overfed pigeons out to about 25-30 yards.
If you have over $100 you can dump on one, you can get a Gamo rifle at over 1000fps. For me, the 2100 does the job well enough.

Picard
October 15, 2008, 02:20 PM
Make sure that you get a break barrel airgun. I bought one that needs 10 pumps to shoot around 700 fps. It cost around $40 and it's accurate (I've hit quarter-sized targets from standing on occasion) but pumping it after every shot really does take away the fun pretty quickly.

tacweapon
October 15, 2008, 02:28 PM
I have a IZH-Baikal IZH 61 and it is super accurate and powerful enough to make a kill as long as you use decent pellets and aim your shot

Funderb
October 15, 2008, 03:12 PM
oh the ten pumps aren't so bad. Friends and I had at one point gotten the reloading process down to a fine art, and followups were fairly quick!

that said, break barrels are worlds better and faster once you get the hang of sticking the pellet in that tiny little hole.

100 bucks at walmart for a really nice one. 1000 fps and break action.

230RN
October 15, 2008, 03:50 PM
I had a Crosman pump-up and it was a royal PITA to pump it up, and noisy to boot, with the pump handle clacking against the underside of the barrel with every stroke. I gave it to a friend and he's been successful at desquirreling his garden, and has been thanked by the neighbors. His yard is now sort of a squirrel sink. The more he kills there, the less in the neighborhood in general.

I've got an ancient Feinwerkbau break-pumper which is real good, but the sproing of the piston is fairly loud. Fortunately, nobody recognizes the sound as being from an air rifle.

Not that I've ever killed anything with it, though... <hak-kaff! ahem!> Sorry, had to clear my throat there.

yhtomit
October 15, 2008, 04:06 PM
I'm going to offer a contrary point of view compared to 230RN's: my Crosman 1377 (I actually have two of them, but only one used so far) is crazy accurate at the short ranges I shoot it, and praised by others who use it for purposes that sound like yours, unless your "yard" is the Grand Canyon. Pump it once for indoor plinking (taking precautions as apprpriate, of course), up to 10 times for distance.

Anecdote: My first two shots, which were casually braced on a shaky ping-pong table, were within an inch of each other at about 35 feet. For some people, that would represent a failure as a result of which they must commit seppuku; for me, it was gratifying and proof that the gun is more accurate than me. Further shooting confirms this obvious conclusion.

I do wish it also shot BBs, but that's OK -- pellets are cheap at least. Perhaps the best $50 (each) I've ever spent on gun-related stuff.

timothy

Gunnutz13
October 15, 2008, 04:15 PM
After considering some of the best names in the air gun business, to include Walther, RWS, Crossman, Beeman, etc...I chose the Gamo Whisper. One of the critical reasons for this choice was the supressor that cuts ambient sound up to 52% from other models...as I am in a semi-rural area with neighbors that I didn't want to alarm. And, no pumpin' or CO2 catridges to buy. Just check out these specs...

Specs:

-Velocity: 1200 feet per second (fps) with PBA, 1000 fps with Lead
-3x9 power scope included
-Single Shot
-Break Barrel: Single Cocking System, Spring piston
-Automatic Cocking Safety system
-Manual Trigger safety
-Barrel: Fluted Polymer Bull barrel
-Non-removable noise dampener (with up to 52% reduction)
-Cocking Effort: 30 lbs
-Trigger: Second Stage adjustable
-$279 +s/h at the GAMO USA website...but I've seen them cheaper in Sportman's guide since.

I've been dropping grey squirrels, chipmunks, rabbits, crows, pigeons and doves with ease. And the additional "trigger time" has made my centerfire shooting all the better. Nuff said...

:evil:

dust_101
October 15, 2008, 04:16 PM
Just like to add something in for all of you air rifle owners, are ANY of them quiet? I've been shopping as well, and that 'Whisper' ad seems to good to be true. Any you've seen that seem quieter than most?

^^ Cross posted! So Gunnutz13, would you say it really is quieter?

Gunnutz13
October 15, 2008, 04:24 PM
Yes...as a few friends have other brands that I've shot...the Walther and the Beeman.

I find no need whatsoever for ear plugs...and I'm very careful of my hearing, as I use Surefire SONIC DEFENDERS everytime I shoot rim or centerfire weapons.

Check both the websites...Gamo and the Guide... for videos on this product.

I highly recommend the Whisper...;)

tribbles
October 15, 2008, 06:41 PM
I'm going to offer a contrary point of view compared to 230RN's: my Crosman 1377 (I actually have two of them, but only one used so far) is crazy accurate at the short ranges I shoot it....

I do wish it also shot BBs, but that's OK -- pellets are cheap at least.

timothy

The Crosman 1377 I had when I was a teenager shot BB's. There was a small magnet at the front of the bolt that held the BB in place. Good for plinking, but not powerful enough to kill a squirrel with. It would sure get his attention, though!

gentleman987
October 15, 2008, 06:55 PM
I have gamo that i got at a pawn shop for 55 buck the stock was banged up and the front site was gone but its a great shooter would suggest any gamo. I also bought a lower end beeman from BPS for $150 the one were you can change the barrels it is a piece of crap the trigger has a 10 LB or more pull and the gorups are horrible. What i am hoping to get is the crossman discovery its a low priced good quality pcp

http://www.pyramydair.com/p/benjamin-discovery-air-rifle.shtml

280shooter
October 15, 2008, 09:31 PM
i have a rws #45 i bought that in 1980,, still does over 900 fps,,
worth every penny i paid

TAB
October 16, 2008, 12:02 AM
Make sure you check your local and state hunting regs.

In CA for example you can only hunt with 20 cal or larger.

elmerfudd
October 16, 2008, 12:17 AM
Airguns are like everything else. A $100 gun generally does not compare well with a $400 gun. For $100 I would either go with a Gamo, a Benjamin or a Chinese gun. The Chinese guns are potentially the best values, but they sometimes need a little massaging to get the best out of them. The Gamo is a decent enough gun for the money, but the firing behavior and trigger leave something to be desired. There are aftermarket trigger and tune kits available for them though. You do get decent power and accuracy in a light easy to cock package with one though. A Benjamin makes a good hunting gun and a lousy plinker. They're much noisier and somewhat less powerful than most of their springer competition, but they make up for that with a generally better trigger, much better firing behavior and usually better accuracy. The problem is that they're just too slow for plinking or target practice.

Now if you want to move up a little, you can get an RWS 34 for a little over $200 or a Beeman R9 for around $400. There is a difference and these guns will outperform their cheaper counterparts. There are also a number of more expensive Chinese guns. These are mostly copies of European guns. They aren't made to quite the same standards, but some people are able to polish, tweak and refine them until they come very close at about 1/3 the price.

If you really want to off the deep end, you can get into PCP's, (pre-charged pneumatics). The cheapest of these start around $400 and they go up to over $2000 and then you've got to get a scuba tank or a pump so you can charge them, but if you're really after performance, this is where it's at. My AirArms S410E shoots 16 grain .22 pellets at 980 fps and will hit aspirin tablets every time at 50 yards and it does this almost silently. With a full charge, the hammer is noisier than the report.

cliffy
October 16, 2008, 12:26 AM
Yes, $315 is a bite to start with, but what a potent, accurate beast! A Bushnell 3-12x40mm Banner scope adds $110 to the package. This is a man-sized rifle, and the cocking-effort requires a man. To prevent a supersonic CRACK, I use Beeman 8.8 grain Crow Magnum hollowpoint pellets. At forty yards, these are accurate squirrel-busters. My basement practice rifle is a scoped Gamo 440 Hunter with half the power of my precision Diana. I use light Beeman Silver Bear hollowpoints in it. For outdoor practice, I favor Beeman Field Special 8.9 grain pellets. Both rifles have recoil pads, but the recoil is not severe though more than a .22 Rimfire's kick. cliffy

ziggy222
October 16, 2008, 02:17 AM
i don't think air guns are legal to hunt with.anyway,don't get the crossman quest1000.its very inaccurate .i tried all kinds of pellets and can't get a decent pattern.oh and the scope it came with was cheap as heck.

rangerruck
October 16, 2008, 03:17 AM
most springers are loud, and provide quite a bit of recoil(for an airrifle). anything in beeman, benjamin, crossman, gamo, or chinese, would be fine. Now then, if you can swing 300 bucks, the best thing since sliced bread has come out.
it is a benjamin pcp that uses either co2, or comes with a pump. a pcp airgun is not only quiet, but recoil... it just doesn't happen because of the pcp design.
Normally in the past, you could not get into a pcp rifle for less than 500, so these are a real break through.
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/
http://www.compasseco.com/

MIL-DOT
October 16, 2008, 10:02 AM
I agree with the above statements, "...get a break-barrel airgun", "get something larger than .177", "get something from RWS,Beeman".
A while back, I ordered a RWS Diana Panther .22, and before it even arrived, sold it to my brother and ordered a Beeman R9 Goldfinger .20. The RWS came first, and had I known what a nice, solid, quality rifle this was, I probably would have never upgraded. ( though the R9 is super-sweet,with a better trigger.)
But you're right considering one for practice, mine's been my favorite gun this whole past year, they're accurate, economical,tons of fun, and I can shoot any time at a target I've set across a pond that we and other houses here back up against, without anyone freaking out and calling the cops.
Here's a link to the RWS from a very popular airgun dealer ( same place I ordered our RWS.).
http://www.pyramydair.com/p/rws-34-panther-air-rifle.shtml
And here's a link to the R9 from Straightshooters, another (even better) operation, and where I got mine.http://straightshooters.com/beeman/r9.html

Gunnutz13
October 16, 2008, 03:16 PM
As a sidenote...GAMO also offers the Whisper series in .22 caliber ( pellet ) for about $25-30 extra...

Specs:

-Caliber: .22
-Velocity: 950 feet per second (fps) with PBA, 750 fps with Lead
-Max. Energy: 24 Joules
-Single Shot
-Break Barrel: Single Cocking System, Spring piston
-Automatic Cocking Safety system
-Manual Trigger safety
-Barrel: Fluted Polymer Bull barrel
-Non-removable noise dampener (with up to 52% reduction)
-Cocking Effort: 30 lbs
-Trigger: Second Stage adjustable

CajunBass
October 16, 2008, 06:01 PM
Here's the one I settled on. It's a Beeman 1073. I got it at Wally World for about $130 bucks, with the four power scope. The unique thing about this one is that it comes with an extra barrel, so you can switch back and forth from .177 to .22 cal with just the twist of an Allen Wrench.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/001.jpg

I've killed a couple of squirrels with it but I mostly use it for wacking peach cans around the yard.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b292/CajunBass/Other%20Stuff/002-3.jpg

littlelefty
October 16, 2008, 06:07 PM
That Beeman sure is pretty.
My boyhood toy was a Crossman 760 Powermaster, pump, .177 cal pellet with BB reservoir. BBs actually did better and resulted in many a rabbit's doom.
I believe I paid $35 for it in the mid 70s and it seems like I saw almost the same price on one a Walmart recently.

PzGren
October 16, 2008, 10:26 PM
Does a $100. gun really shoot like a $400. one?



No, it will not have the refined trigger pull and walnut stock but will be good enough for you purpose.

I actually enjoy a cheap Gamo for plinking but it is lightyears away from most other airguns I own. Like this old Feinwerkbau:


http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/FWB300Srestored001.jpg

cliffy
October 16, 2008, 10:39 PM
Should not be used for anything! They are hard projectiles that ricocette dangerously. They do not expand within squirrel-sized targets. They CRACK the sound barrier easily because they are too light for any practical application. Other than that they are okay. cliffy

Mike U.
October 16, 2008, 11:17 PM
The breaking of the sound barrier is my biggest problem with them. That CRACK!! brings the unwanted attention of the neighbors, and, rightly so. Hell, if I heard that I'd be pokin' my head out the door wondering ***? :eek:

I gotta tell you though, they knock the little tree rat vermin right off of their perch, and I DO like that. :evil:

natescout
October 16, 2008, 11:17 PM
RWS model 34 , great air rifle , you wont be disappointed with it

Franco2shoot
October 17, 2008, 07:35 AM
I haven't seen anyone talk about the Ruger AirHawk so I'll jump in and say that on the "C" note end of the price scale this is a really good deal. Pellets are another area altogether. The AirHawk spits most lead out at 1100fps and before I built my one special purpose Muzzlebrake you could definitely hear the crack. Once I put the muzzlebrake on the crack disappeared however ALL break barrel springers make a pretty good noise when the spring lets go.
For comparison purposes, I print off 4 targets on a sheet of 8x10 and at 12 yards all the holes are inside the dime sized bull.
As for Tree rats, I experimented with different pellets with the following observations as related to the AirHawk:
Crossman Wad cutter OK not great with lethality.
Kodiak Heavy domed. Went straight through not always resulting in Kill. Pattern ok not great.
RWS hollow point better Kill OK pattern.
Beeman Crowmagnum Best pattern, best expansion best kill performance.

KKKKFL

Franco2shoot
October 17, 2008, 04:02 PM
1100fps.. constant performer.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=86557&d=1224273625

I replaced the original scope with a Hawke scope... much better.

KKKKFL

HB
October 17, 2008, 04:21 PM
PBA Should not be used for anything! They are hard projectiles that ricocette dangerously. They do not expand within squirrel-sized targets. They CRACK the sound barrier easily because they are too light for any practical application. Other than that they are okay. cliffy
Very true, they are more or less AP ammo but bounce :uhoh:

Also, speed isn't everything, many times the more powerful the gun the harder it is to shoot well. I still say RWS 34.

PS, I'm sorry to say that the Gamo Whisper is a gimmick, it doesn't decrease noise because spring guns don't really have a lot of air escaping the barrel. I didn't buy one because it is just a regular Gamo with a goofy looking muzzle.


HB

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 17, 2008, 04:27 PM
budget???

I guess I need both ends of a reasonable budget. Does a $100. gun really shoot like a $400. one?

What are you shooting?

Depends. I've got a $110 Beeman Sportster with a $50 BSA airgun scope by the back door (left out of the safe). But I've got a $375 RWS/Diana 350 with a $200 Bushnell scope in the safe. They both work at killing vermin. I'd much rather be shooting the RWS (quieter, better trigger, more accurate), but I'm not leaving it out, by the back door for opportunistic shots.

I can tell you what I would get any any particular budget. But realistically, you have to narrow down the budget for us to help you figure out the best you can get for XXX dollars. Can you spend $100, $125, $150, $175, $200, $250, $300, $350, $400, $500, $600, $800, $1,000, more, what?

So to answer your question a little better:

Does a $100. gun really shoot like a $400. one? No it does not! But it might be an acceptable compromise, depending on what you're trying to do with it, and how much "luxuriousness" and longevity you require from your airgun dollar. :)

subierex
October 17, 2008, 05:59 PM
My dad once dropped a squirrel on the neighbor's birdfeeder with my beater Crossman 760. Tried to hit it in the butt, put it in one eye and out the other. Thing dropped like a sack of dirt and his buddy got outta Dodge City fast.

I wouldn't recommend something like the 760. I still have it, but it shoots patterns.

edit:

I want one of the Gamo Whisper air rifles. Would be nice to be able to clandestinely (maybe?) do some target shooting in my suburban backyard.

thebaldguy
October 18, 2008, 12:13 AM
I got a Gamo Big Cat 1200 earlier this year for $129.99 with a 4x scope. It's a 1000 fps break barrel spring piston that works pretty good. It's accurate and powerful. The Gamo wadcutter match pellets give the tightest groups. There are lots of pellet designs out there, so try a few and see what works best.

You can get a good entry level spring piston air rifle starting at $100.00. The more expensive ones are better, but I think I got my money's worth. Think about Remington vs. Weatherby.

The non lead lightweight pellets go at 1200 fps. They break the sound barrier and sound like a .22. They are noisy in a basement, and my ears start to ring a bit after a few shots without ear protection.

I have a pump up Crosman 2100 Classic with a 4x scope that works good too, but I get tired of pumping and pumping. My 1377 Crosman pump up pistol is fun to shoot.

badbadtz560
October 18, 2008, 01:10 AM
you're probably posting this in the wrong forum. I remember they have some pellet rifle review forums out there.. the better ones being the UK-based ones.

From what I remember, it was the GAMO CFX that gave the best accuracy for price.. but it has a horrible trigger (as do all gamo pellet rifles)

it's a spring but fixed barrel (which is why it's more accurate than the others). works just like breakbarrels pretty much though.

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