S&W Sigmas on sale


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3pairs12
October 15, 2008, 03:31 PM
For those who are interested I was @ Academy in Plano today and they had the sigmas for 299 and also have a $50 rebate. So $249 for both the 9mm and .40. Until Saturday then the price goes up to $329 or something. I think you still get the rebate. I am not sure if this is at all Academy locations but I think it is. I was thinking about getting my wife the 9mm.

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rondog
October 15, 2008, 03:57 PM
I've heard those have awful triggers, is that true?

jpruitt
October 15, 2008, 04:07 PM
I've heard those have awful triggers, is that true? They're pretty long and heavy (about 12 lb I think), but I've heard from owners they get better after a few hundred rounds.

3pairs12
October 15, 2008, 04:38 PM
I have never shot one. Just figured the price was right and the wife could use another gun. Of course they won't take off the trigger lock and let you dry fire it there. Oh well. I will let you know if the triggers are awful after I get 1 if I do.

wally
October 15, 2008, 08:18 PM
IF you are coming to the Sigma from a revolver, its trigger is not so bad, just probably heavier than you might like, if you are coming from a Taurus revolver the Sigma will be fine.

OTOH coming from most any other semi-auto pistol the Sigma trigger is pretty bad, but the gun is cheap and reliable with a great warranty. The trigger is not really an issue at typical car length SD ranges.

I'm not sure if the trigger improves with firing or your finger gets stronger :)

--wally.

panther22
October 15, 2008, 08:54 PM
The trigger is very like a double action revolver. It is long, but it is very manageable for me. It is a very close copy of the Glock, just a whole lot less expensive.
I've had two and they are reliable, dependable with all kinds of ammo, and have given me zero problems.

legion3
October 15, 2008, 09:10 PM
It is a very close copy of the Glock, just a whole lot less expensive. :uhoh:

:barf:


Not - the trigger is terrible and the sigma's only real useful purpose is to be a car/trunk gun and should be price pointed at around $200.

Rather have a used Glock than a new Sigma anyday.

GunLvrNLearner
October 15, 2008, 10:12 PM
It is a great gun at least mine is and everyone that i am certain owns one likes them too, trigger is long..very reliable gun, seems mainly the negative views coome from those who never owned one

3pairs12
October 15, 2008, 11:54 PM
She should be fine then she shoots DA revolver anyway. Heck for the price even if she doesn't like it I'll find a use for it.

mljdeckard
October 16, 2008, 12:46 AM
(Cringing to keep it in......) RUN!!! Run I tell you! They're overpriced! I got raped when I traded mine in and I wept with joy! If I were in a fight, and I looked down on the ground and saw a rock and a Sigma, I would have to think really hard before I picked one of them up.

Yes, the trigger sucks. A LOT. My front sight was a nylon plug that freakin' FELL OFF. It wouldn't feed anything until I had the feed ramp milled. I had a hydra-shok fail to leave the barrel, I shot another round before I realized what had happened. (It survived long enough for me to sell it.)

Bad luck, bad batch, bad pistol, bad company, don't know, don't care. The new ones might be great, but I'll certainly never know.

GunLvrNLearner
October 16, 2008, 01:57 AM
I think a lot of negatives are the older versions,the current version is FINE

shooter58
October 16, 2008, 01:03 PM
You also have a very large group of Glock fans who turn up their collective noses at anything that wasn't invented by Gaston Glock. The Sigma is fine. It is exactly what it is meant to be.....an economically priced, dependable weapon that just goes bang every time. Glock snobbery is rampant.

1KPerDay
October 16, 2008, 01:39 PM
I didn't have any problem with mine... early .40 cal model. 15 rounds of .40 in a very reliable, accurate package for $250-300 is nothing to sneeze at, IMO. I just think they're ugly. But pretty is as pretty does, as they say. :)

bigcim
October 16, 2008, 03:14 PM
I bought one for the Mrs. because she like shooting targets with me at the range. It was very discouraging for her not being able to hit the target like she did before because of the trigger pull. So I bought her a Xd like mine and all is well had a smile back on her face the very next trip to the range. I know the trigger can be something can a person can overcome. I needed a handgun that would make shooting fun as possible to keep her interest and for her that meant hitting what she was aiming at. The Sigma IMO is a fine gun for the price for a person who shoots occasionally or wants a night stand gun. It goes bang every time it and ate everything I feed it. I never had a problem with it. The wife just shot a different brand a little better

cjw3cma
October 17, 2008, 02:34 PM
It's so hard not to add my 3 cents here.

Bad / awful triggers? No - it is a double action gun. The trigger acts as the safety.

Yes after a few hundred rounds and lots of dry firing the trigger tends to smooth out. But it is part of the design.

My S&W 40V has a trigger pull of 7 to 8 lbs. now after lots of ball ammo and I do like it.

thebaldguy
October 18, 2008, 12:21 AM
Wow! Great price! I haven't seen them around here that cheap in a long time.

tnieto2004
October 18, 2008, 01:20 AM
Not bad at all. I wouldn't mind adding one to the collection.

rkhal
October 18, 2008, 02:11 AM
[QUOTE]It's so hard not to add my 3 cents here.

Bad / awful triggers? No - it is a double action gun. The trigger acts as the safety.

Yes after a few hundred rounds and lots of dry firing the trigger tends to smooth out. But it is part of the design.[QUOTE]

Bull --- I have shot revolvers for 30 years and there is a difference between a heavy double action pull on a revolver and the "oh my goodness, did I forget to take the safety off of a Sigma." Glock is double action and doesn't have that hard a pull. The double action pull of a CZ isn't that hard.

Yes you can get used to a Sigma's trigger. But to be honest, you will never be able to fire an abominable trigger as well as you can a good one. If you could shoot inch and a half groups with a bad trigger you could shoot one inch groups with a good trigger. Saying you can get used to a Sigma trigger is like saying you could learn to run in concrete shoes. You could but you would always run faster in trainers.

Mickstix
October 18, 2008, 02:12 AM
Mine (trigger) is definitely loosening up the more I fire and dry fire it.. I've had it for about 3 months and every night before turning in, I practice dry firing it for a few minutes.. I've prolly dry fired it a thousand times and put 250 rounds through it, and I can tell a substantial difference from when I first got it.. Mines the newer model 9VE.. Definitely worth 250.00 IMO..

Bull --- I have shot revolvers for 30 years and there is a difference between a heavy double action pull on a revolver and the "oh my goodness, did I forget to take the safety off of a Sigma."

Please, you've got to be a pretty "girly man" if you think the trigger is "OH MY GOD I LEFT THE SAFETY ON" stiff.. It's 12lbs from the factory.. And it's not intended to be a target competition gun.. :rolleyes:

ugaarguy
October 18, 2008, 02:41 AM
Yes, the trigger sucks. A LOT. My front sight was a nylon plug that freakin' FELL OFF. It wouldn't feed anything until I had the feed ramp milled. I had a hydra-shok fail to leave the barrel, I shot another round before I realized what had happened. (It survived long enough for me to sell it.)
So Federal under charging a round is the Sigma's fault? The fact that gun held together with a blocked barrel is a testament to its strength. Did you ever send the gun back to S&W to try to have the feeding issue fixed? Did you send it back to S&W to have it fixed after the plugged bbl incident? Did you send Federal the lot number off the box the dud hydra-shok came from, or otherwise report the incident to Federal?
Bad luck, bad batch, bad pistol, bad company, don't know, don't care. The new ones might be great, but I'll certainly never know.
Ignore is bliss isn't it?

The shop where I work only sells a couple hundred Sigmas a year. In the two years I've been there I've yet to see one come back with any issue other than complaints about trigger weight. For that reason I always have customers who are looking at a Sigma dry fire it first to make sure they can handle the trigger pull. The new VE Sigmas are a great overall value.


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It is a very close copy of the Glock, just a whole lot less expensive.

:uhoh:
:barf:

Not - the trigger is terrible and the sigma's only real useful purpose is to be a car/trunk gun and should be price pointed at around $200.

Rather have a used Glock than a new Sigma anyday.
I suppose people who cant afford even a used Glock shouldn't have a gun at all then? Please tell me where these $250 used Glocks with two full capacity mags can be found.

If the original Sigma wasn't a copy of the Glock why did Glock sue S&W (and win)? By the way the Sigma now has 14 of its own patents.

sigma 40ve
October 18, 2008, 11:44 AM
I have one. It has been good. The triggers do stink. I done some trigger work on mine, plus after countless rds and dry fires it is about like a glock 5.5 trigger now. Most people trash them, but I have took mine on several road trips with complete confidence. In fact it is less than 1 foot away now at the side of my desk.

rkhal
October 18, 2008, 09:46 PM
"girly man" Guess you proved I am wrong with that one. That proves that there has never been a trigger as good as a Sigma anywhere ever.

However, I have shot 3 Sigmas, no more, no less. Perhaps I got the ones that had the worst triggers in the world but there is absolutely no excuse for a striker fired pistol to have that bad a trigger pull. I really wanted to buy one because it is so simliar to a Glock. Like I said, I shot Smith, Colt and Rugers double action for 30 years and I would rather buy a Hi-Point than a Sigma. Sigma is a good gun but there is no justification for that trigger.

legion3
October 18, 2008, 10:26 PM
I suppose people who cant afford even a used Glock shouldn't have a gun at all then? Please tell me where these $250 used Glocks with two full capacity mags can be found.

Yes, they shouldn't have a gun at all. ;)

A used Glock is not worth $250 so you would have to pony up more cash. A new sigma is worth maybe $200 not $250, so there's $50 toward the Glock right there! :uhoh:

Just to break the ice and get the sigma fans, all 10 of them, from not being upset...

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Mickstix
October 18, 2008, 10:26 PM
Like I said, I shot Smith, Colt and Rugers double action for 30 years and I would rather buy a Hi-Point than a Sigma.

Sorry you dont like the sigma trigger.. As has been stated, it's stiff from the factory, yet gets smoother with time.. It's a $250-300 SD gun, not something you want to take to a bullseye match.. That said, if you cant hit the torso of a bad guy from 20' with one, your not a very good shot.. But, lucky for Hi-Point, there are guys like you around.. :neener:

Chuckulator
October 18, 2008, 10:38 PM
Don't forget you can take one of the two trigger return springs out which really lightens the trigger pull. My Sigma is one of my favorite guns just because of the value and the decent capacity. Without the extra spring, the trigger is just fine. If you have ever shot a Kel-tec P11 or the like, you won't have any trouble with a Sigma.

heavyshooter
October 19, 2008, 12:49 AM
If you are going to buy a Sigma you will need to begin weight training. The trigger pull is about 50lbs.:D Glocks are lame but they are light years ahead of the Sigma. My $.02

denfoote
October 19, 2008, 02:12 AM
I've heard those have awful triggers, is that true?

Yeah, that's true, but so does the Walther PPK, CZ52, and the Makarov!!

A couple of hundred double action rounds out of your James Bond special will make you crave your Sigma!! :evil:

ugaarguy
October 19, 2008, 02:12 AM
Yes, they shouldn't have a gun at all. ;)
Thank you for clarifying. :p

A used Glock is not worth $250 so you would have to pony up more cash. A new sigma is worth maybe $200 not $250, so there's $50 toward the Glock right there!
Your logic is flawed. The free market has established, through sales at the price point, that a new Sigma is worth $300 to $330; or $250 - $280 when S&W wants to make a push for more market share.

In the interest of transparency I'll tell you that I have owned both a Glock 22 and a Sigma 9V (pre-enhanced model). I now own neither. I found through trial and error that I shoot 1911s better than almost all other pistols. My current cheap gun is a police trade-in S&W 5946.

"So why do I like Sigmas", you ask? As I said earlier I'm a part time gun store salesman. Most folks here on THR understand that good used guns are a tremendous value. Many in the general public don't. If the general public didn't buy new guns there wouldn't be so many used ones for the gunny public; but I digress. John Q. Public wants a new 9mm or 40 S&W pistol, and want's to spend $300, $350 max. The Sigma gives me a US made gun that I can sell at that price point, and have a clear conscience after the sale because they work.

I like Glocks for a similar reason: they're amongst the best three or four makes of pistols at the $500 new price point. They work. Parts are everywhere, and so are armorers to customize them (Glocks rarely actually break). Mags are cheap and readily available too.

rkhal
October 19, 2008, 03:18 AM
That said, if you cant hit the torso of a bad guy from 20' with one, your not a very good shot.. I never said I couldn't hit a target with it..jeez I maybe a girly man according to you but let's draw a line somewhere on the insults. If you go back and read what I said it was that if you can do something with bad tools you can do better with good tools. No matter how well you can train yourself to shoot with a Sigma you could do better if you didn't have to fight the trigger.

So yes, I can hit a target considerably smaller than a mansized torso at 20 feet with a Sigma. I can shoot even smaller groups with my S&W model 19 shooting double action. I can shoot still smaller groups with my Glock. Shooting the S&W single action I can get still smaller groups.

Now with that in mind, most people's shooting goes to hell in a handbasket under true combat conditions so why handicap yourself? In my experience the Hi-Point is just as dependable and has a better trigger. Having shot both I would rather have the HP assuming I was limited to a gun under $300. However for $300 I could get a Ruger or a Tanfoglio or something similar used and that would be a better deal.

Perhaps part of my dislike is that S&W flat copied the Glock to the point that they had to pay royalties to Glock for every Sigma they sell. That being the case how did they screw up the trigger so badly?

ugaarguy
October 19, 2008, 05:07 AM
Perhaps part of my dislike is that S&W flat copied the Glock to the point that they had to pay royalties to Glock for every Sigma they sell. That being the case how did they screw up the trigger so badly?
They aren't paying royalties to Glock. As I posted above the Sigma now has 14 of its own patents. The current VE Sigmas are a far cry from the early F Sigmas.

barry960
October 19, 2008, 05:27 AM
My Sigma is from back when they cost over $400 and were the only other polymer pistol out there of any major manufacturer besides Glocks, so it kind of hurt when the prices dropped way down. Anyway, the front sight fell off, but a good smith put a steel one on like it should have been in the first place, and now I think it is a handgun I'll keep for life. It's my main carry gun and I feel pretty good about where I can place my shots with it.

legion3
October 19, 2008, 06:27 AM
Your logic is flawed. The free market has established, through sales at the price point, that a new Sigma is worth $300 to $330; or $250 - $280 when S&W wants to make a push for more market share.

:rolleyes:


The same "Free" market that decided houses were worth 10 times real value?

However, you take on Glock was spot on.

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