What black rifle?


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snakeman
October 15, 2008, 08:43 PM
Ok here is what I have:

bwk92 sporter (accurized ak in 223 rem.)
Olympic arms ml-2 (very very very very accurate)
cz 221 fireball
100 atr 30-06
model 700 22-250
mossberg 464

Here are my trade options:

6.5 grendel upper
cancel the 6.8 ammo sucks
7.62x39 upper
SIG 556

Most of what I have will be traded for any of the above. The two I would prefer to keep are the bwk and the oly. But to get to the point which would be the best rifle to trade for in your opinions? The sig is exquisite but is it worth losing most of my arsenal?

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JWarren
October 15, 2008, 09:09 PM
What would you do with the new firearm? That has a lot of bearing on choices.

Why do you want to trade anything? That has bearing as well.

Me? I have everything AR-based now. I used to have everything AK-based.

For me, I would ideally have:

AR-15 carbine in 5.56
AR-10 (or for me DPMS LR-308) in .308
AR-15 in 6.8 SPC perhaps (or just an upper)


That covers basically everything I need a centerfire rifle to do. I still need to grab a 6.8 upper, and I am considering building another LR-308 with a shorter barrel than my 24" one-- maybe an 18".

So really, I dunno for you. It depends on your desired results and the needs that you have. For me, I have knock-abouts that usually have to have some hunting ability behind them. My LR is my deer rifle.


-- John

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 09:25 PM
I need something that is rugged and can handle abuse and tons of dust on the 4-wheeler on a 5,000 acre ranch. It needs to handle deer and a 223 does that just fine with the right ammo. I need to trade because I have no money lol.

gvnwst
October 15, 2008, 09:32 PM
i voted for the 'x39 because of lower ammo cost, and higher availbility. it should be very reliable, somewhat accurate, and very much good enough for deer.

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 09:38 PM
fair enough, the only worry with the cheap ammo is the steel case is hard on the ar ejector, extractor system

Picard
October 15, 2008, 09:43 PM
fair enough, the only worry with the cheap ammo is the steel case is hard on the ar ejector, extractor system

That's been disproven time and time again. People have only used steel cased ammo with no ill effects that wouldn't be present had they been using brass.

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 09:46 PM
I appreciate the clarification of that, thank you.

gvnwst
October 15, 2008, 09:48 PM
i use steel in my .223 AR, and NO PROBLEMS whatsoever. maybe a bad one here and there, but in general.... if you get soooo worried, just get a magpul MIAD grip and store a extre bolt assembly in it.
:)

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 09:59 PM
Once again well said. Well in that case what about a 5.45 upper anyone have any input on that little round? The main reason I listed the sig is for utter reliability and use of heavy rounds.

gvnwst
October 15, 2008, 10:01 PM
S&W makes a 5.45 upper, really good, cheap ammo, actually it also has better feeding in the AR than the 'x39 does. problem is, if 'bama gets elected, he might ban all imported ammo, meaning NO 5.45 ammo. some companies here make 'x39 ammo.

gvnwst
October 15, 2008, 10:02 PM
The main reason I listed the sig is for utter reliability and use of heavy rounds

sig 556=overrated, IMO. just get a GP AR 15 like a POF and you can still use other caliber uppers

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 10:06 PM
Why is the sig overrated? I thought it felt really nice and have seen a few sub moa groups from it.

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 10:12 PM
honestly all things aside, the sig was my top pick lol

TexasRifleman
October 15, 2008, 10:12 PM
I need something that is rugged and can handle abuse and tons of dust on the 4-wheeler on a 5,000 acre ranch.

That my friend is a Mini 14.

SpeedAKL
October 15, 2008, 10:12 PM
SIG 556. AR uppers in different calibers are always tempting, but if you could get the 556 and still hold onto your Oly I'd do that and get a unique rifle.

gvnwst
October 15, 2008, 10:15 PM
the reason i think the sig is overrated is that it can't do anything a GP AR can't, it costs more, and can't change calibers. and changing to .22lr for cheap pratice is always nice.

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 10:15 PM
Mini 14 accuracy is quite limited I would rather own a kel tex su 16 than that I've had too many jams and sparse groups from those. As for the sig if i get it the oly goes the bwk stays, I shot my first deer with that when I was 7

snakeman
October 15, 2008, 11:52 PM
For those of you who might vote for the 6.8 I already ruled it out. It is now down to the sig, the grendel, and the 7.62x39

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
October 16, 2008, 06:57 AM
If foreign ammo is banned, you'll have a much harder time feeding 7.672 X 39. On the other hand, of the calibers you mention, the 6.8SPC is enjoying the most backing from manufacturers.

Regards,

Dave

Reid73
October 16, 2008, 08:38 AM
snakeman, why don't you just use your .30-06 100 ATR? Seems like it would do the job you describe, better than any .223 etc.

If foreign ammo is banned, you'll have a much harder time feeding 7.62 X 39.One can only wonder what "foreign" really means. .375 H&H? .308 Norma? .303 British? 7x57 Mauser? 9mm Parabellum? 6.5 x 55 Swedish? The mind boggles.

gvnwst
October 16, 2008, 09:21 AM
One can only wonder what "foreign" really means. .375 H&H? .308 Norma? .303 British? 7x57 Mauser? 9mm Parabellum? 6.5 x 55 Swedish? The mind boggles.

foreign imported, not foreign designed/named would be banned.

If foreign ammo is banned, you'll have a much harder time feeding 7.672 X 39. On the other hand, of the calibers you mention, the 6.8SPC is enjoying the most backing from manufacturers.




there are domestic makers of 'x39, and it is still cheaper than 6.8 SPC. parts for the AR are everywhere, whereas the sig is very hard to find parts in my (very limited) experiance.

snakeman
October 16, 2008, 11:08 AM
I would be just fine using the 06 but, I like semiautos and would like to have a powerful and/or highly reliable one that is accurate before we are in a clintonesque rut again.

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