Something goes "bump" in the night...how to bring extra ammo/


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natedog
September 13, 2003, 04:27 PM
Let's say you're in bed and you hear the sounds of a break in. You go and investigate, and you grap your gun. Do you bring extra mags? If so, how? Personally, I don't really want to sleep with my mag pouches on. Usually I'm just in my skivvies, and I don't really see how I could quickly bring ammo with me.

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Ed Brunner
September 13, 2003, 04:34 PM
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I was sound asleep. Right up until the front door opened noisily at three AM this morning...

Wide awake, instant condition RED... listen... deep breath, chamber check 1911. Stick spare mag in mouth. (No mag pouch on my BVDs)
Flashlight in hand, trigger finger straight, exfil bedroom, move down hallway to front room, slice the pie as I gain access to front room enfilade...

I light up my 19 year old son, back late from a study group at the college.
"Dad, the front door is sticking again. Sorry about the noise."

Another deep breath, pull underwear from buttcrack... "Go get a damned oil can!"

Despite the *potential* for tragedy, this experience re-enforced for me the need for training, training, training.
The need to have a clear head when going into combat.
Thanks to LOTS of training, my family is all safely intact, and I dial 911 only AFTER TSHTF and the smoke has cleared.

My son was not a bit rattled by the event, because he KNOWS that I shoot only when necessary, only when I have an identified target.

I must admit I had a hard time getting back to sleep though...

Oracle
September 13, 2003, 04:36 PM
My bedside gun is a Glock 17. With 18 rounds on board, I don't really need an extra mag to go investigate a bump in the night.

Of course, if you felt the need, you could always have a handgun in a shoulder holster with extra mag/speedloader pouches on the other side, and slip that on when going to investigate.

Zach S
September 13, 2003, 04:49 PM
Two extra mags throughout the house. One on top the fridge, and the other on top the piano. Did I put them there for a tactical reason? No. The top of the fridge and top of the piano are where I normally put my peice when I'm working on my car(s) or lying on the couch watcing a movie, forgot about them, then couldnt find them (both were covered with Hot rod Magazine or something). I bought replacements then found the "lost" ones, thought they may come in handy in a SHTF scenerio so theyre still there. Weird thing is, even though I did it unentionally, it still has an advantage. Assuming theres just one BG, if I cant get to one mag un-noticed, I can get to the other. If I am noticed, I've still got nine rounds if the need arises.

I normally dont even sleep in my skivvies, however I do keep whatever jeans I wore right beside the bed, and have an extra mag in the left pocket.

RWK
September 13, 2003, 04:51 PM
In my nightstand right now – with no children remaining – is my Smith 625-9 Mountain Gun, loaded with 200 grain .45 Colt (1100 FPS) CorBon plus two speed loaders. Across the room is my 12 gauge Remington 870 with five round of 00 buck shot.

If I ever need even a fraction of this, I’ll be surprised. Fact is, I feel very securely armed in my home – generally, low crime, nice neighborhood, but recognizing there is no absolute safety – with a top-quality revolver loaded with six first-class JHPs.

Regards.

Navy joe
September 13, 2003, 05:04 PM
With a weapon mounted light it is pretty easy to hold a spare mag between the pinky and ring finger of your weak hand and still keep a good grip. trigger finger runs light. If it's in mouth you can't communicate. In my house I probably know where all the spare guns are too though.

Zach S
September 13, 2003, 05:10 PM
In my house I probably know where all the spare guns are too though. I've lost a couple mags yeah, but never a gun, I know where they are at all times.

Even though (I dont think) that was aimed at my post, it still kinda hit me the wrong way.

Devonai
September 13, 2003, 05:11 PM
I'm with Oracle. If I was even more concerned, I could use my 17+2 magazine instead.

AK103K
September 13, 2003, 05:29 PM
What? You boys dont have a big dog? :)

If they are determined enough to come in with a 125lb Rottie asking their intentions, I'm not bothering with a measly little pistol! 30 rounds of 7.62x39 should address the problem. Thats if the dog leaves me something to shoot at. :)

TheeBadOne
September 13, 2003, 05:35 PM
I have a spare mag in several rooms through out my house.

VaughnT
September 13, 2003, 07:57 PM
While I like the idea of stashing spare mags in strategic locations throughout the house, I can see events occuring in such a way that you run dry before being in reach of the cached mag.

Ayoob once wrote an article where he mentioned the convenience of a shoulder rig for just such an instance. This allowed you to grab the weapon, spare mags and, possibly, a flashlight in one step. I tend to agree with this approach.

Another option, again mentioned by Ayoob, was the bullet-proof vest. Most of them have a pouch on the front to slip in a ballistic plate and this can be used to store your cell phone, light and mags. It's not as organized as a shoulder holster, but it offers you protection from return fire which is probably more likely than running out of ammo in your weapon.

I chose the second option as my company provided me with a level 3A vest and external carrier. I have lots of pockets to organize the gear I might need should armeggedon come to my doorstep. Most of all, I like the vest for the protection it offers.

One last idea would be to buy a surplus magazine bandolier. I've seen them in the catalogs and they hold a bunch of mags. Depending on the make, you could fit a few mags, the light and a cell phone and sling the whole thing over your shoulder when needed. Cheap, simple, love that!

wingnutx
September 13, 2003, 08:01 PM
Grab my Sig P200 and investigate, possibly holding a spare mag in my left hand.

If it's a noise that sounds more like impending doon, then I grab the Norinco cheap AK clone from under the bed and bring that. I can always fall back to the bedroom if I have to, and if I really thought someone was breaking in then I'd likely stay in a secure position there anyway.

Blain
September 13, 2003, 08:20 PM
A swat style belt with attached mag pouches, filled! If I need to tango, I grab my shotgun and the belt, it only take a second to put on. Gives me 60 rounds of slugs and buck, should be enough for most situations.

Lexter
September 13, 2003, 08:30 PM
Tactical Underwear! Now that's the idea of the day!! Have a mag pouch built into the waistband (on the side panel or back panel of the tighty-whitey's).



Lexter in NC

;)

DigMe
September 13, 2003, 09:21 PM
You could always hold it between your cheeks! I'm sure you'll be clenching anyway.

:eek:

brad cook

Standing Wolf
September 13, 2003, 09:40 PM
I keep two speed loaders with my under the mattress .357 magnum. They'll fit easily in a bath robe pocket.

redneck2
September 13, 2003, 09:54 PM
60 rounds of buckshot and slugs"....:what:

I have a Glock 20 10mm with an M6 sight and two 10 rounders. Thought I was pretty well equipped. I always (as in ALWAYS) keep a pair of cargo shorts beside the bed. Mag goes in the pocket. Just had this last week. Neighbor's dog starts barking about 1am. Just a stray cat, but he had the laser on him.

Jeez...hope I never get into a situation where I need 60 rounds from a shotgun instead of just 20 from my 10mm.

natedog
September 13, 2003, 09:58 PM
What about just dropping a mag or two into your underwear? Sure, it might be uncomfortable, but hey, you have something more important to worry about.

Navy joe
September 13, 2003, 10:02 PM
Yo Zach, not aimed at you, it's just hard to walk around my house without being real close to a gun. Not by design, just scattered everywhere. I know which ones are fully loaded though. Homefield advantage, gotta love it.

mgjohn
September 13, 2003, 10:07 PM
Took a fishing vest and made a few mods. It now carries 4 spare pistol mags, holster for a pistol, 2 sets of cuffs, 6 D cell mag light, surefire flashlight, 30s round of mixed 00 buck & 12g slugs, 4 30 round AR mags, a cell phone and a dog leash.

The mix of shotgun ammo and AR mags gives me the option to grab either or both if I think I need them.

NewShooter78
September 14, 2003, 11:56 AM
Shoulder hoster w/double mag carrier, next to the bed. Uncle Mikes has a model you can get for less than $30, but you'll need to provide the mag carrier. Or the bathrobe with pockets filled with a couple of extra mags and a cell phone.

Teufelhunden
September 14, 2003, 12:27 PM
The shoulder rig doesn't sound like a bad idea. One could probably be found cheaply if you never intended to use it for CCW and thusly didn't need a really nice one that hid well.

Alternatively, you could get a forearm mag holder such as this one (http://www.elitetacticalsources.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=BHForearm), which would allow you to quickly velcro on your spare mag.

Most realistic scenario, in my neighborhood anyways, is that you'll get it done with one mag. Having said that, I also almost always carry a spare mag if I'm carrying a semi just to cover mechanical failures more than for the extra ammo.

-Teuf

Edward429451
September 14, 2003, 12:54 PM
you're in bed and you hear the sounds of a break in. You go and investigate, and you grap your gun. Do you bring extra mags?

My bedside first grab is the 870 with 6 in the tube, 6 on the side, 5 on the butt. If 17 rounds don't solve it, it must be the gubmunt and its been nice knowin ya.

AK103K
September 14, 2003, 01:48 PM
....it must be the gubmunt and its been nice knowin ya.
Now thats a negitive attitude! I fully plan on prevailing, reguardless who it is!! :)

You cant win if you've already lost in your own mind.

on edit: I also follow your advice in your tag line, best not to be on the six o'clock news the next night with a stupid look on yourr face, your hair sticking all up and in your Under Roos :)

Edward429451
September 14, 2003, 02:42 PM
Now thats a negitive attitude! I fully plan on prevailing, reguardless who it is!!

Yeah.

YEAH!!

YEEEAAAHHH!!!!

You're right bro. The mag aint half empty, its half full!!!

I gotta stop thinkin like that. Used to think at least I'd take a couple with me. If I rearrange a little creating a hallway of death, lined with some goodies, stocked at the end, sprinkle liberally with prayer, anything is possible. A thousand will fall on my right, ten thousand on my left...

Ya'll come work the back line for me if'n you hear the shots, K?:D

El Tejon
September 14, 2003, 02:50 PM
Ed, I'll coming marching to the sound of the cannon! Rally, boys, a THRer needs our help against the invading hordes. (Where's my map of Red?):D

Nate, I'm not going "out there." If I have to leave my strong point of the FBP (jump out the window and use my "runlikealittlegirl fu"), I can stuff the two extra pistol mags and my bug in my running shorts and the extra shotgun ammo is on the weapon.

Moparmike
September 14, 2003, 04:51 PM
When I get my HD gun (come on FinAid...), I will have a sling/bandolier and a buttcuff for storage, as well as 7 in the tube. I am still a little wary of keeping it "Cocked, locked, and ready to rock" as I am still new to firearms (although I sleep next to a Yugo 24/47 with 10 in the buttcuff). My father also has an adamant desire/demand that all firearms be unloaded, no matter their purpose.

Soooo....provided I convince my father or move out, it will be "Cocked, Locked, and Ready to Rock" with a slew more rounds on the gun.

Futo Inu
September 14, 2003, 05:12 PM
Well, my 12 guage has both a sidesaddle on the receiver and a saddle on the buttstock as well, with extra rounds.

But if'n you've got a pistol, I'd imagine the pistol in one hand, flashlight in other, extra mags in some Thunderwear would work - just put on Thunderwear as your jammies, and keep extra mags near bed with pistol.

Derek Zeanah
September 14, 2003, 05:30 PM
Thinking it through from the other side:
If I'm a bad guy looking for "goodies" in the middle of the night, I'm probably trying to stay quiet and not wake anyone up (until I want 'em awake in some scenarios, depending on how you define "goodies.")
If I encounter a homeowner, I can choose to run or confront.
If I choose to confront and the first round doesn't take my head off, I'll probably bail unless I walked into this planning on a confrontation.
If I'm planning on a confrontation, the dude defending his home better have something to punch through armor (like a rifle), and he'd better open fire first. An additional pistol mag ain't the solution here.

Skunkabilly
September 14, 2003, 07:47 PM
I'm gonna order one of those Wilderness safepackers.

I can probably clip my taclight, cell phone and two spare mags in that thing. Problem with the phone is I gotta figure out how to disable that stupid backlit keypad (giving away your position and ruining your nightvision is highly untactical). Maybe run an earpiece up the shoulder strap so I can use the thing hands free and still use my taclight, manipulate doors, grab soju from the refrigerator, etc.

cool45auto
September 14, 2003, 09:11 PM
I keep an M3 light on my Vertec at night and a range-proven 20 round magazine in it so I probably won't need an extra mag.

DMK
September 14, 2003, 10:36 PM
Bump in the night, I'm grabbing my pump shotgun. All the ammo I should need is right on board, 8 in the tube and 6 more on the butt cuff.

I also have a military type canvas gunbelt hanging in my safe with a holster for my 1911 and two pouches with mags in them. Who knows if I'd have opportunity to grab my pistol and it, but it's there anyway.

Uncle Ethan
September 14, 2003, 10:58 PM
I have a full security system with monitoring. If the alarm goes off [ and it has] I keep my briefcase by the bed, with my 1911 and two spare mags, plus my 5 cell mag lite inside. I open the briefcase, remove the equipment, chamber a load, engage the safety, and check the security pad to locate where the intrusion is. I go check it while my better half fields the phone call from the security companies response to the alarm. They wait to see if reinforcements will be needed. I carry the ex-GI belt pouch with the extra mags in the same hand that holds the mag-lite. Usually the alarm is enough to move the goobers along.:D

Matt1911
September 14, 2003, 11:18 PM
"What? You boys dont have a big dog?"
Yep,thats my solution too! I'm fairly confiident i'll have plenty of warning.7shots in my 357,and 6 in the wife's 44 oughtabe enuff!
:D

Uncle Ethan
September 14, 2003, 11:25 PM
Yeah, I have a medium size dog, but he's a coward. He barks alert for catapillars, for God's sake.:uhoh: :what: :rolleyes:

Skunkabilly
September 15, 2003, 12:20 AM
LOL. Ethan, you need an attack skunk. They come in any color you want as long as it's twotone.

Uncle Ethan
September 15, 2003, 12:52 AM
Howdy Skunk- How you be? If I was as tactical as you I could see in the dark and shoot through speeding Locomotives.:p I guess I had better get me one of those skunks- how do you get used to the smell?:scrutiny:

Skunkabilly
September 15, 2003, 12:57 AM
I guess I had better get me one of those skunks- how do you get used to the smell?

http://www.lightfighter.com/Images/MAS-1000.jpg

sm
September 15, 2003, 01:09 AM
In my particular dwelling I use my CCWs. I do have spare mags, but I have little 'sq. footage' compared to some...and I'm 3 floors up. I do have a " line of fire' ( furniture). Worst case...well there is rope and I alley-oop off the back deck. (in case of fire too).
There may or may not be a hidden gun on back deck.:) My deck is NOT accessible from anyone. You now know why I use RIG and why I use the stuff I do...freezing cold, blistering heat, that "maybe" gun will work. ;)

Have a plan...have a back up plan...have a back up back up plan...

jdege
September 15, 2003, 01:18 AM
I hear a bump in the night, I get up, grab the gun, wake the SO,
tell her to get the kids into the saferoom, then position myself so
I can watch the stairs.

When they're all in the saferoom, I go there, as well, and I call the
cops.

Spare mags?

They're in the safe room.

Uncle Ethan
September 15, 2003, 01:29 AM
Skunk- Hia kum Chinee nei bo. He nam is Lei Ying Lo, sum meen gai tli lin ching him, he sa wai hang mi, dumgai. Yu stin ki po, pla wee skunk, yu go nao, dum gai! Ai no pei fo skunk, I go hai ding nao an wa shing stin ki off.

Dorrin79
September 15, 2003, 11:12 AM
just not paranoid enough to worry about it, personally.

:cool:

My shotgun (primary HD) has a sidesaddle with 5 more 2&3/4" 00 Buckshot shells.

If I grab my 1911, I'll just have to make do with 9 rds. (8 rd chip mccormick mag, 1 in the pipe).

Either way, I guess if it's an entire pack of rabid werewolves I'll be taking a dirt nap.



:rolleyes:

hso
September 15, 2003, 04:51 PM
Shouldn't be a problem since I don't go hunting for gremlins in the dark. If they want to wake the dogs and come up the stairs there will be enough ammuniton to address the problem. Anyway, 30 rounds should be plenty, but twice that is just right.

Drjones
September 15, 2003, 07:08 PM
I'm surprised at how many people grab handguns as their primary defensive weapon at home.

Not good or bad, just surprised. Obviously, in some homes, a handgun can be better than a long gun because of size/space constraints.

That said, I plan on grabbing my Mossberg pump. I've been wanting a 55-round bandoleer for some time, but haven't gotten it yet.

If ~60 rounds of 12ga don't do the job, I don't think anything will. :(

:)

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