How accurate is a box stock Remington 700 .308?
natedog
September 13, 2003, 06:05 PM
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Phantom Warrior
September 13, 2003, 06:26 PM
I can only give you anecdotal evidence. That said, my Remington 700 (.308) dropped my deer last fall with one shot through the shoulder at roughly 170 yards. I had zeroed at 150 and was aiming directly at the shoulder. I'm not sure if that helps or not, but I hope it does.
Quintin Likely
September 13, 2003, 06:33 PM
.308 M700VS, Leupold 1 piece base, 1" medium rings, Leupold Vari-X III 3.5x10x40.
Hovers around .8-.9 MOA with 168 gr. Federal Gold Match if I try really, really, really hard, but I'm a lousy rifleman. Put this thing in the hands of someone who could really shoot, I think it'd do .5 without too much effort. One of these days when I buy, steal, or borrow a torque wrench and a trigger pull gauge, I'll dial the 7 ton stock trigger down too.
People say Remington QC (or lack thereof) is hit and miss, but you'd get that with anything that's in mass production. I really like mine though.
AK103K
September 13, 2003, 07:01 PM
out of box 700 Varmint in .308 (ugly shiney wood stock)
Shepherd 3-10
168gr Sierra match(Federal Match equiv. reloads)
100yards prone off Harris bipod
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid62/pd417295a0f49146814f765e1baa42c68/fc237d2c.jpg.orig.jpg
redneck2
September 13, 2003, 10:07 PM
but the U.S. Marines use a version of this to whack BG's at 1/2 a mile
You'll probably end up getting replies along the lines of the Remington vs. ________ (fill in the blank with Savage, Winchester, Ruger, etc.)
Factory rifles tend to be luck-of-the-draw. Still, the military uses 40-X's, and most factory rifles that are accurized for serious target shooting are 700's. YMMV
goalie
September 13, 2003, 10:47 PM
Comparing the M40 rifle system to an out of the box 700 is akin to thinking that your Chevy is just like that one the race car driver uses. That said, my varmint synthetic shoots about 1/2 MOA out to 200, then drops off to just a tad under MOA out to about 500. That is with good glass and sandbags after breaking in the barrel wet patch, dry patch, shoot a round for 50 rounds.
Nero Steptoe
September 14, 2003, 12:21 AM
The question doesn't provide enough information for a cogent answer to be given. It's kind of like asking how fast will a Chevy run, or how much does a 2000 sq/ft house cost.
Jaywalker
September 14, 2003, 08:54 AM
I believe it's a fine question, and one that elicits individuals' perspecitves. No, we can't really answer the stated question, but we can reply with our own observations and perspectives. Unfortunately, no statistically relevant data exists that describes the inherent accuracy of any given rifle type.
Generally speaking however, accuracy is not one of the concerns experienced riflemen have with the Remington 700. It shoots well, but it can generally profit from some aftermarket attention. (If it didn't, the aftermarket products and services wouldn't exist.) Also, many people believe the .308 is the most accurate of the 30 calibers. So, it's plenty accurate, or at least, potentially so.
I sold my 700 BDL years ago, and it wasn't the accuracy that made me do it. The rifle was just too heavy for me to want to tote up and down the mountains in Utah. My replacement Ruger 77 Ultralight is much less accurate, but I now carry it ready to shoot, rather than slung. YMMV.
Jaywalker
YodaVader
September 14, 2003, 10:18 AM
Shot a friend's .308 700P with 10X Leupold and shot these almost identical groups back to back. My own .308 VS I used to own was a very accurate rifle as well.
Mannlicher
September 14, 2003, 10:24 AM
If you sight the rifle in correctly, and do your part, the box stock Remmington will most likely shoot as well as you can.
Art Eatman
September 14, 2003, 10:34 AM
I have a Wal-Mart ADL in .308 that pretty much stays inside of 1.5 MOA; sometimes I get one-MOA groups.
Art
TechBrute
September 14, 2003, 10:56 AM
All of the Remmys I have are heavy barrelled BDLs. When they were completely stock, they all shot under .75MOA. 2 have been reworked and shoot considerably better than that now. The rest are still stock and still shoot under .75MOA.
I did have an ADL that I bought just for the action that shot around 1MOA before I tore it apart, which I consider barely acceptable for a modern bolt-action rifle. Now the action is part of an M40 clone and shoots... um... really well (understatement).
Nero Steptoe
September 14, 2003, 03:06 PM
I wasn't trying to be "cute" with my answer. The question just isn't a question, that, standing alone, merits much cogency in replies.
If there were only one type of Remmy 700, then maybe it'd be a good question, or if the question involved the VS, "P" models, etc., or a Wally World ADL, then we'd hve enough information to provide an answer. Answering nonsensical questions, in my opinion, doesn't amount to much more than making incoherrent taps on a keyboard or meaningless vibrations in the air. :)
larryw
September 14, 2003, 03:45 PM
Ya' know Nero, technically you're right. But the risk one runs when asking a question with all the details nailed down to finite detail is a lack of response. Using your example, if you ask the price of a 2000sq.ft. house with a specific address, you won't get a response unless you're lucky enough that the owner of that specific address answers. Or you won't get the answer to how fast the Chevy runs unless someone has EXACTLY the right setup and environment.
Nice thing about general questions, like the one asked here, is they elicit a wide variety of answers and prompt discussion (which is the stated purpose of this board).
I'm fairly sure that natedog could probably extrapolate an answer from the responses, and if not will post a follow-up question. In addition, due to the general nature of the question, there is the strong probability that others will benefit from the wide variety of responses posted.
Edward429451
September 14, 2003, 03:56 PM
My BIL's 700ADLSY in .308 runs right at 1.5 moa
My 700BDL 30/06 that I used to have would run at 1-1/8 to 1-1/4 all day long.
308win
September 14, 2003, 08:06 PM
I have a 700BDL synthetic with the 5R barrel. It will shoot 3/8" @ 100yds with about any handloads I have feed it so far. It isn't fussy. It might shoot better but I doubt if I can - at least consistently.
WYO
September 14, 2003, 08:09 PM
My box stock Ti .308 is more accurate than I can handle. I was a little disappointed that velocities tend to be on the low end of the scale, but I don't dare mess with it because of the accuracy. If I do my part, I get 3 shot groups under 2.25" at 200, and many times I get two touching at 200, with various types of ammo, including military surplus. In the hands of someone who knew what they were doing, and with a little tweaking, it probably would do much better. Maybe my standards are low, but it works for me. . .
B27
September 14, 2003, 08:33 PM
Stock 700VS shooting Black Hills match...
http://www.fototime.com/3F026C274E97090/standard.jpg
The arrow points to a five shot 100 yard group.
pdh
September 15, 2003, 12:07 PM
Groups in my .308 700 Varmint Special has run from .5 to .7 inch groups.I Use handloads with 125gr and 168 grain sierra bullets.Sometimes it will cut a clover leaf one hole group when I do my part.
The only thing I had done to the rifle was a trigger adjustment.
Werewolf
September 17, 2003, 11:04 AM
I'm fairly sure that natedog could probably extrapolate an answer from the responses, and if not will post a follow-up question. In addition, due to the general nature of the question, there is the strong probability that others will benefit from the wide variety of responses posted.
Exactly...
I don't own a 700 but have seriously considered getting one in 22-250 with a synthetic stock.
This thread has been very helpful.
355sigfan
September 17, 2003, 09:24 PM
If you sight the rifle in correctly, and do your part, the box stock Remmington will most likely shoot as well as you can.
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I hate it when people use this saying. Its a well intentioned phrase that makes no sence. Your rifle will have a degree of variance from shot to shot we call accuracy. That combined with your own personal degree of variance is what the rifle will group. If a rifle has great mechanical accuracy but has a terrible trigger it will be hard to shoot as well as the rifle has a potential too. I prefer when people give strait answers such as this rifle type can be expected to produce say 1 moa.
Pat
mark mcj
September 18, 2003, 09:33 PM
Mine will stay under .75 moa also out to 200 yards. I've never shot groups past that.
I have no problem hitting 3 inch triangles between 325 and 375 yards.
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HankL
September 18, 2003, 11:31 PM
Nate, Some do, most don't from what I understand. On the up side a bum trigger can usually be corrected fairly easily and a rough bore can be lapped a bit. The only near stock Rem. 700 around here is a PS and I have skim bedded the action in the bedding block, it's not great but is pretty good out to 600 yds. It is a fun gun to shoot.
Redneck2, Think about it, 1/2 mile is not a far piece at all. ;)
Dave R
September 19, 2003, 11:36 AM
My stock Rem 700 ADL will shoot pretty consistently at 1MOA. I have shot a few cloverleafs--3 rounds touching at 100 yards. Moderator Kaylee witnessed one at a TFL shoot in Idaho.
All were with 180 gr. ammo. Mine seems to like that better.
308win
September 20, 2003, 12:20 PM
I have skim bedded the action in the bedding block
HankL
What do you mean by "skim bedded" and how is this done? Thanks
Rocko
September 21, 2003, 12:16 PM
Probably depends exactly what model 700 you are talking about. I have a 700LTR that will do .5-.75 MOA all day long with handloads, if I do my part. Seems that sub-MOA is the norm for the 700P and LTR series - YMMV, of course. Not sure how comparable the other "lower end" 700 compare.
Rocko
TechBrute
September 21, 2003, 12:21 PM
Seems that sub-MOA is the norm for the 700P and LTR series - YMMV, of course. Sub MOA is the norm for all of Remington's heavy barrelled rifles. The 700P is nothing more than a 700VS with a flat finish, H-S Precision stock with a palmswell, and that stupid locking bolt.
Nando Aqui
September 21, 2003, 02:34 PM
FWIW - Here is a typical target from my stock REM 700 PS. Notice that only two holes are touching, but the paper tore between those two and the one just to the right, which is 'really' close. The fourth hole (first shot, by the way) is further to the right. Still, all four are well within 1 MOA, and if we count just the last three, then it is closer to 1/2 MOA (using the center of the holes, of course).
I normally shoot several 4-round groups at individual bulls, and occasionally all four holes will touch, but more often than not, just three touch and one shot is off a little bit; usually is the first shot.
Details:
* Black Hills .308 Win Match Moly Coated 168 Gr Boat-Tail HP
* Versapod bipod up front, and the stock supported by my shoulder
* Simmons Aetec 3.8-12x44 A/O
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid75/pda81ff6a0e25ea2caea945690b0d3a57/fb4b477e.jpg
Alex
slabsides
September 21, 2003, 04:51 PM
I bought my 700BDL VS about 25 years ago, when the quality of Remington's output was uniformly high. Before I fired a shot, I adjusted the trigger and floated that big fat barrel. I put a then-current Weaver 3-9 variable on it and it shot half-minute handload groups to 225 meters, the farthest my range afforded at benchrest. 'Scope has since been replaced; trigger remains as originally adjusted; and it still shoots half-inchers. Another 700ADL of mine (1964 manufacture) in 6mm Rem. shoots under .5 moa, with its 20-inch stiffy barrel floated and an old Redfield 2-7x. My b-i-l's recent hybrid 700, with stainless action and fluted barrel and Remington laminated stock, in .270, put together in 2000, shoots under moa with bullets from 90 gr. to 150 gr. Another of his 700's, a .22-250, shot under .3 moa with selected handloads. This accuracy has lasted for thousands of shots because we never shoot the barrels to frying temperatures, and clean judiciously.
You needn't worry about the intrinsic accuracy of Remington's 700 platform. But you SHOULD carefully examine the particular specimen you are thinking to buy...quality control these days ain't what she used to was!
If I were going to buy another, I'd look for a clean older one to refurb. They ALL need trigger work to get the best out of them, but this is easy to do.
m14nut
September 21, 2003, 07:12 PM
Very...
1/2 inch at 200...168grain nosler handloads
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