NFA barrel length?


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stonyman65
October 17, 2008, 10:39 PM
What would I have to do to get an Ar-15 with a barrel length under the 16'' standard. Like something like a 14.5 in bbl. I know I would need to have a class 3 permit and all but how would I legally be able to build/purchase one without an LE or military ID.

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taliv
October 17, 2008, 10:46 PM
atf.gov has a FAQ about it in their firearms section.

bryanZ06
October 17, 2008, 10:53 PM
Fill out Form 1 and wait. Then wait some more.

Bartkowski
October 17, 2008, 10:53 PM
If you want to build an SBR why pay the extra money for 1.5" less barrel? You could just buy an AR with a 14.5" barrel and a permanently attached flash hider.

stonyman65
October 17, 2008, 10:54 PM
Thats true. never thought of that. I'm new to the whole rifle thing so I want to know what is legal and what is not. I am also looking for a new AR for my 18th birthday and I prefer the smaller carbine length like around and M1 length

TexasRifleman
October 17, 2008, 11:05 PM
I am also looking for a new AR for my 18th birthday and I prefer the smaller carbine length like around and M1 length


Doesn't matter anyway then, you can't have an NFA weapon until you are 21.

Sunray
October 17, 2008, 11:30 PM
The standard barrel length is 20", not 16". In any case, you need to look into how Florida deals with NFA firearms. MG's are out. A short rifle may not be.

taliv
October 18, 2008, 12:09 AM
you can't have a MG in FL???

mp510
October 18, 2008, 12:24 AM
Doesn't matter anyway then, you can't have an NFA weapon until you are 21
False-
18-20 year olds may make NFA items on a F1 or procure them from non-FFL's on an F4. They simply have to check the yes box to the age question, and attach a brief explanation.

you can't have a MG in FL???
MG's are legal in florida, so long as they are registered properly, though you are statuatorily prohibited from using one as a ccw piece.

benEzra
October 18, 2008, 11:19 AM
16" is the minimum non-NFA length.

However, a 14.5" barrel with a permanently attached Smith Vortex flash suppressor is 16.1", and therefore non-NFA legal. You will lose some velocity compared to a 16" barrel, though.

PTK
October 18, 2008, 11:25 AM
you can't have an NFA weapon until you are 21.

Wrong. I started collecting NFA items at 19. :) You just can't buy from a dealer until 21 - but F1s and private party in-state F4s are a-ok!

TexasRifleman
October 18, 2008, 12:48 PM
Wrong. I started collecting NFA items at 19.

Interesting. Has that changed? I tried to buy several MG's before I turned 21 and I was turned down. Had to get my dad to put them in a trust and make me an officer. That was for stuff on both a Form 3 and 4. Never tried a 1 at the time. Guess it was dealer transfers that I couldn't get done.

freakshow10mm
October 18, 2008, 12:54 PM
Dealers and manufacturers can't sell to 18-20yo, but you can private party F4 or F1 build one yourself.

mp510
October 21, 2008, 12:43 AM
Interesting. Has that changed? I tried to buy several MG's before I turned 21 and I was turned down. Had to get my dad to put them in a trust and make me an officer. That was for stuff on both a Form 3 and 4. Never tried a 1 at the time. Guess it was dealer transfers that I couldn't get done.
If they were on an F3, (and transfered to your dad's trust on an F4) they were definetely registered to an SOT, so he couldn't sell it to you. If they were on an F4, they may have been registered to a licensee or a non-licensee. If they were a licensee, they couldn't sell to you if they wanted to.

I will say, that as worded, the age question on the form, leads one to believe that you have to be 21 to own an NFA item. And, many folks don't realize how an 18-20 y/o may legally own one.

paintballdude902
October 21, 2008, 11:07 AM
mp yep u are correct

im thinking about buying a really cheap 20ga sxs and chopping it down to about an 10 inch barrel

MD_Willington
October 21, 2008, 04:17 PM
Had to get my dad to put them in a trust and make me an officer.

A Trust seems to be the best route to take...

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