Guns lost in a divorce?


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ArmedLiberal
October 19, 2008, 01:20 AM
Anyone out there have a divorcing spouse take your guns to the sheriff to be crunched up and melted down?

Were any of them irreplaceable?

How did you react?

AL

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rojocorsa
October 19, 2008, 01:23 AM
I am sorry for your loss.:(

Steve in PA
October 19, 2008, 01:27 AM
Guns, like anything else are property and one spouse cannot destroy them without consequences.

Archie
October 19, 2008, 01:28 AM
As some of the guns are 'community property', I offered her a cash buy out in lieu of the guns. She's happy with the money.

Are you speaking from experience, or just worried about the future?

lonegunman
October 19, 2008, 01:38 AM
Your spouse does not have the right to have your property destroyed, even by cops. Cops do not have the right to randomly destroy peoples property at the request of bitter women.

Did you get arrested for domestic violence or something of the sort?

California is a socialist sewer, but as the owner of the property or at worst the joint owner of the property, you have rights.

Offer the spawn of satan cash for her share of the gun collection. Maybe she can use it to buy shoes.

jdc1244
October 19, 2008, 01:41 AM
In some states assets, such as guns, owned before the marriage are retained by the owning spouse. Get your guns before you get married. As noted deals can be made, such as I keep the guns, you keep the furniture Ė which was my case. Judges often donít have a problem signing off on a divorce if both parties make a fair split of the property. I speak from experience but I had an uncontested divorce, no lawyers involved. Consult an attorney before making any decisions.

TIMC
October 19, 2008, 01:46 AM
I lost half of my guns about 15 years ago in a divorce and it taught me a very eye opening lesson. They were a pretty cheap price to pay to be rid of my ex!

I have since replaced the guns I lost and the wife with much better models!

ljnowell
October 19, 2008, 01:46 AM
Ive known lots of people who lost them--at least had to sell them and split the money. One of those guys was a buddy of mine, he sold me five of his guns for 50 bucks, altogether. He sold the rest of them to another friend for the same amount. He then went to court and gave his wife 50 dollars and presented the bills of sale to the court. The judge gave him a chewing, but he maintained that he was angry and didnt care what they were worth so he sold them. They were forced to accept the bills of sale as there was no formal appraisal of the value of the guns. About two months after the divorce me and our other buddy decided we didnt want the guns anymore and sold them back for 50 bucks.

harmonic
October 19, 2008, 02:12 AM
California is a community property state and one's spouse cannot do that.

Are you asking because someone you know has been threatened thus or just hypothesizing?

ArmedLiberal
October 19, 2008, 10:22 AM
My divorce was final 15 years ago. I was young and foolish and ignorant. I was in a 'coyote chewing his leg off to get out of the trap frame of mind'. Without any plan I just took a few things with me - work clothes and boots - when I moved out thinking that all the rest would get sorted out with some sort of fairness.

The local sheriff (and most cop houses around here) has a deal where you can surrender any firearms and they'll get melted down for scrap. She took advantage of that pretty quick. I was not aware until she told me later and the sheriff doesn't ask any questions about who rightly owns the guns.

I have no history of violence except for punching holes in walls on a couple of memorable occasions. I've never been accused of or investigated for domestic violence.

When it came time to sort out the division of property a year later she said that she trashed the guns because she didn't know what I might do and feared for her life and the lives of her children. Hearing that was actually more painful than the loss of the guns.

With hindsight, I'm clear the she did this as a mean, nasty get-back for my leaving. It was not the worst thing she ever did.

The guns had only sentimental value. One was a Sears bolt action .22 LR and the other some sort of Russian surplus military rifle, also from Sears, both purchased around 1962 or so. My dad taught me how to shoot and how to be safe and respect firearms when I was 7 or 8 and I was allowed to shoot at cans and stuff while he was off cutting brush and pruning the Christmas tree ranch on some hill property we owned. I was the most careful and proper eight year old at the time. With the guns anyway.

I never went shooting after about the age of 18. Didn't pay much attention to the guns, they just lived in the back of the closet. I would like to replace the Russian rifle, don't really want to hunt down a cheapie 40 year old Sears .22 bolt action.

I recently bought a Mosin-Nagant 91/30 thinking that was what my dad had bought, but it's not quite right. The old rifle had the hammer and sickle with a wreath around it stamped on the receiver and the bolt and the trap door below the receiver look the same. But the forehand and the cleaning rod under the muzzle are not how I remember them. The cartridges don't look right either, the ones I remember were longer than the 7.62R by about an inch, but I'm sure it was a 7.62mm.

Anyone out there know Soviet Milsurp? Is it just my childhood memory not quite right or is there some other rifle (not a 91/30) that chambered a longer 7.62 cartridge? Maybe it's just that my fingers were shorter then?

I posted the thread wondering if others here had had a similar divorce story. No one I know has had their guns melted down, but I've heard friend of a friend stories.

I've got a much better gun collection now and the ex remarried and lives on another continent. The kids are grown and living their lives. I'm still keeping my eye open for a better model wife. I'm very particular about who I marry now.

AL

bakerj
October 19, 2008, 10:44 AM
I kept my guns, she keeps her 401K:D

pharmer
October 19, 2008, 11:04 AM
I had an FFL from '82-'95. When I got divorced in '92, I had to give half the value of EVERY gun logged in during the period of the marriage. She got enough to put a very large down payment on a better house than mine. Joe

jerkface11
October 19, 2008, 11:40 AM
I would have turned her car in at the local salvage yard.

Clipper
October 19, 2008, 12:08 PM
When I got divorced, I knew damn well what would happen to anything I left for later. I loaded my tools and guns into my pickup, hooked on my boat and threw in some clothes and left...Got yelled at about not supposedly being able to do that, but it was still easier than trying to get 'em later. Pretty much lost everything else (except the car I was dumb enough to co-sign for, which she, of course, quit paying for or maintaining and I had to reposess. However, it was worth it when she found out I gave it to the new wife).

wyocarp
October 19, 2008, 01:26 PM
I don't feel at all bad about my wife not knowing the combination to the safe.

Hk91-762mm
October 19, 2008, 02:35 PM
Shows That when you smell something bad going on in a marrage you best Prepare for the possibility of a split.And protect your assets.
Better to think about protecting your assets before marrage With a pre-nup.
I heard of this guy who got a divorce --his wife took his Prize studd hunting dog to the vet and had him fixed out of spite-and hubby had to go to the vet and get his dog back and =Pay the bill too boot

Limeyfellow
October 19, 2008, 02:55 PM
This happened to my brother in law. His ex told her friend some bs that was reported to the Sherriff Department, so they came along and took all the guns away. Thats Florida for you though.

JWarren
October 19, 2008, 03:06 PM
I kept my guns, she keeps her 401K


Lately, a modest gun collection has a higher resell value than the average 401(k).

Notice that I didn't say has more money PUT INTO it.


-- John

Gunnerpalace
October 19, 2008, 03:09 PM
Taking guns isn't that theft?

Also I would think non-corp NFA articles would not end well.

Crow1108
October 19, 2008, 03:36 PM
ArmedLiberal: That really sucks. I'm sorry to hear that. But at least you got rid of that spiteful, underhanded woman.

Friend of the family just went through a pretty nasty divorce. Seemed his wife was just interested in a meal ticket (for 10 years or so). Luckily both the cars were in his name, so he took his car, and her new SUV to Car Max and traded them both in on a newer car for himself, with all the trimmings.

Jaybird78
October 19, 2008, 04:37 PM
I don't feel at all bad about my wife not knowing the combination to the safe.

+1 to that. I am still married, 11 years and counting, but have most of MY guns in safe do to wife's depression problems. She will NOT have that combination. She has asked about a half dozen times but "loose lips sink ships".

rondog
October 19, 2008, 05:28 PM
If I EVER get rid of wife #1, there won't be any wife #2.

Treo
October 19, 2008, 07:22 PM
I'm W/ Rondog I'm married to my last wife

rondog
October 19, 2008, 08:20 PM
I'm W/ Rondog I'm married to my last wife

That's right brother! Guns, Harleys, Jeeps, Beagles, whatever....just no more wimminz. At least not under the same roof.

MT GUNNY
October 19, 2008, 08:27 PM
I would sue her!!!!!!!!!!!!

harmonic
October 19, 2008, 08:30 PM
I would sue her

Did you actually read the thread? His subsequent post reveals the guns had no real value and the OP would thus spend way more in legal fees than he could ever hope to recover. Plus she lives on a different continent. (She was an alien to begin with?)

It's a done deal.

MT GUNNY
October 19, 2008, 08:31 PM
Hence the word (I) !!!!!!!

jaholder1971
October 19, 2008, 11:22 PM
Ummm, so you packed up and left her, leaving your prized firearms behind? Something smells methinks.

Cover Dog
October 19, 2008, 11:56 PM
Hope that never happens to me. I wouldn't want my wife selling my guns "for what I told her I paid for them" !!!

X-Rap
October 20, 2008, 06:04 PM
In my state there is a time set in which nothing can be removed from the residence until the divorce is settled. About 2 days before I got my safe out just in case. She was mad as hell but as someone else said, better to fight it out later. She didn't know all the contents and she got all the furniture and her collections of figurines and knick knacks.

Rustynuts
October 20, 2008, 06:32 PM
I think my CCW instructor actually told us here in FL to be careful. Been awhile so I can't remember exactly. It went something like sell all your guns to a trusted friend before it all goes down. Many divorces go down with restraining orders.

He also said NEVER tell even your wife what you carry or how. Or change it up if a divorce is in the works. He said many spiteful wives have claimed the hubby pulled his XYZ gun out of a holster in ABC position and threatened her. Then simply show the LEO you don't even own XYZ gun or ABC style holster and they'll know she's full of it.

On a side note, confiscate her jewelry box while you're at it! Fight fire with fire!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 20, 2008, 07:03 PM
I wouldn't want my wife selling my guns "for what I told her I paid for them" !!!

Serves you right, you lying bastage!! :) :p J/K. The better approach is to never ever ever ever get married or shack up - in my opinion. All it takes is a bare allegation of violence, and your guns are GONE for 3 years (or more) under Lautenberg. In my experience, most members of the fairer gender have a screw loose (at least one) and cannot ever be fully trusted. Sorry, but that's just my opinion. The same can likely be said for most men as well. So I'm an equal-opportunity observer.

offthepaper
October 20, 2008, 07:49 PM
Little white lies

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Hope that never happens to me. I wouldn't want my wife selling my guns "for what I told her I paid for them" !!!


Now that's funny. Very true, but funny.:D

RPCVYemen
October 20, 2008, 08:46 PM
I don't know the High Road way to say, "You all are just nuts!" :)

Guns are just things. Inanimate chunks of metal.

Here is a different strategy that doesn't involve lying or hiding stuff from anyone. And you don't have to lose your guns. :)


Choose well. Neither of you has to be perfect - most people are capable of being in a reasonably happy marriage. For me, choosing well meant not getting married until my late 30s. In my 20s, I ran around with women as crazy and unstable as I was. Choose someone who's reasonably sane and don't marry them until you know they are reasonably sane. If all the women you know are crazy - that's probably telling you something.
Make a commitment.
Tape this on the inside of your forehead - where you see it every morning: "Grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted, to understand than to be understood, to love than to be loved."
Remember #3 whenever you are upset that she doesn't understand you.
Spend more time with her - listening to her - than you do with your guns or your range buddies.


That way you get to keep the guns and the car and the boat and the house - which are all just things.

Mike

bannockburn
October 20, 2008, 10:45 PM
RPCVYemen

Nice sentiments but not always applicable. All the listening, understanding, and commitments don't mean a thing when your spouse has been cheating on you. In the end, it's still better to have some things, like your guns, your car, or whatever else you've managed to hold onto; than 25+ years wasted on an illusory relationship. After all has been said and done, I'd rather have the inanimate objects.

JWarren
October 20, 2008, 10:51 PM
Nice sentiments but not always applicable.


Very true. I won't get into the specifics of how I learned, but there are situations where there simply is no acceptable alternative.


I am reminded of a quote I have in one of my journals.... I wish I could remember where I got it:

... And God who makes beginnings, makes the end-- A broken place for things too broke to mend.


-- John

lloydkristmas
October 21, 2008, 02:04 AM
Whats to stop someone who has an imminent divorce from selling all of his guns to his best friend for, say, 25 bucks...for safekeeping until things blow over?

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