DPMS Sportical thread (pics & reports)


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innerpiece
October 19, 2008, 12:11 PM
hi folks!

well I picked up my AR finally, a DPMS Sportical.
Ive put about 250 rds thru it in the last 2 days, no problems. learned about how to take it down n clean it and all the good stuff.
I got a truglo red dot scope for it, nothing overly special yet, but it works, and its functional for what I need it for.
Later on when I can afford to dress it up a bit more, Ill get a front handgaurd with rails, a taclight, QD mount so I can interchange between a scope for yotes, and the red dot for around the yard.

I only zeroed it in for 50yds right now, but it is darn accurate, and I really like how it handles.

decided to test it out on an old car Ive got, Ill get some pics up of that later so you can see how it preforms on various parts of a vehicle.

this thread will kinda be like my diary for this rifle, Ill update it regularly with different reports, take requests for target/testing... Ill try n make it interactive n fun. please feel free to hop in and do this with me!
Im also gonna have lots of questions along the way, as this is my first AR, and Ill be looking to make it the best tool for my situations.

thanks folks.

ip.

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cbrgator
October 19, 2008, 12:21 PM
Nice rifle. Looking forward to the reports.

innerpiece
October 19, 2008, 01:45 PM
thanks!
Ill get some more pics up soon!

ip.

peck1234
October 19, 2008, 01:49 PM
sweet rifle man! Just got my DPMS a few weeks ago!

I waited 7 months for it and let me tell you it was well worth the wait.

I use Contact cleaner to de-lube and de-carbon all the parts, then I oil em all up with CLB and Mobil one!


Any way! Enjoy it man! And keep it CLEAN!!! : )

possum
October 19, 2008, 08:52 PM
congrats, i am glad that it is working out for you, yes please keep us updated whenever you can.

innerpiece
October 20, 2008, 09:40 PM
hey folks! thanks!

possum, nice to see ya!
for shure, Ill definetly throw some more pics up, Ill try to tomorrow, I get real busey.. 2 kids, 2 dogs, a 50hr 5 day work week, and a big yard do that to a guy... lol.

Ill get some pics of the car.. it definetly needs a new windshield, and it prolly wont start anymore would be my guess ;)

Im grouping about an inch and a half with 3 shots at 50 yds, from a crouch.. so not too bad. Itll get better this weekend when I can go pick up more ammo and get myself a few hours of handeling time.

talk with yall later!

ip.

innerpiece
October 29, 2008, 06:55 PM
Hi all!
couple more pics of the rifle.

I still need to get some target pics, and pics of the car and what kind of pennetration this package provides..

bout 500 rds thru it now, no hiccups yet Im glad to say.. hitting what I aim at nicely, however I havent shot past 50 yds yet.. its set up as a yard,HD gun right now.. Ill shoot it out farther this weekend, and get a scope soon for 100yds plus, and see how it does.

I know I want a handgaurd with rails, so I can mount a front grip, and a taclight.. any cost efficient suggestions would be great!

thanks folks.

ip.

innerpiece
October 29, 2008, 06:59 PM
heres that other pic..

Frog48
October 29, 2008, 07:19 PM
Nice gun. From what I've seen, those Sporticals give alot of gun for the money.

possum
October 29, 2008, 08:18 PM
for shure, Ill definetly throw some more pics up, Ill try to tomorrow, I get real busey.. 2 kids, 2 dogs, a 50hr 5 day work week, and a big yard do that to a guy... lol.
i know what you mean. thanks for the updates.

innerpiece
November 3, 2008, 06:56 PM
ok...... as promised, the car....

a Dynasty. it used to work, definetly wont now.
Ive worked 9mm and 5.56 on this one.. most the 9's were aimed at the hood, glanced off then glanced off the windshield.

all the 5.56 punched thru the windshield clean, but showed ALOT of fragmentation on the front and back seats. hood hits drove thru. frontal hits went thru the radiator, some continued on into vitals of the engine..

to sum it up.... it dosent even nearely push thru like a 7.62x39.. but it still does extreme damage, enuff to stop a threat fast.

innerpiece
November 3, 2008, 07:07 PM
i wanted to see a lil more raw pennetration....

so I nabbed a 1/4 inch chunk of raw steel, and took 4 shots at it from 50 yds..
grouping was decent.. I diddnt measure it but it was ok from the shoulder with a RedDot I havent entirely zeroed..

yepp, it punched right thru, like butter.. I wouldnt wanna be on the other side. however Im willing to bet there wasnt a whole lot left after it went thru.

so this next round Ill have 1/4 inch steel, then 10 feet back Ill place a papertarget, and a milk jug behind that (because I cant afford gelitian)..

anyway heres the results.

surfinguru
November 3, 2008, 07:15 PM
Awesome! We need more of these kind of picture threads. I just put my AR together last week and sent the first 100 rnds downrange and could only wish I had something like this setup to shoot at.

So was that the AE or Federal, or something else you were using on the steel?

Timradcliffe345
November 3, 2008, 07:28 PM
Good to see another AR in a new home.

jpatterson
November 3, 2008, 07:36 PM
Looks like a lot of fun, and nice report!

Man, everyone talking about their AR's is getting me real itchy. I should finally have mine Thursday. I can't wait!

Timradcliffe345
November 3, 2008, 07:47 PM
jpatterson:

What are you getting?

jpatterson
November 3, 2008, 08:10 PM
Very lightly used Colt Flattop HBAR. It's basically new, I am so excited.

innerpiece
November 3, 2008, 08:13 PM
surfingguru, thanks man, yeah I enjoy livivn in the woods n being able to do these kinda tests... dont get me wrong, bunnies n yotes are fun to blow up, but I also like to test what I have against material targets aswell.... might aswell know what can be done with what ya got, (it also puts alotta ends to debates by mall warriors ;) )....


jp, lookin foreward to hearing about yer new addition to the family :)


tim R, hey I hope you enjoy the thread, afterall, you, amongst other THR members helped me choose this weapon... so thank YOU!

Ill get some more pics of inside the car as soon as I have time to resize them.


ip.

innerpiece
November 3, 2008, 08:23 PM
oh yeah, it was the AE XM193 on the steel.. I did try out the wolf.223 and the Federal stuff on it too.. all pushed right thru..

but heres a damn good reason NOT to buy wolf .223 even if its only $5 a box. (see picture! )
needless to say, I was extremely dissapointed.... How the HELL do you pack a HP into a box of FMJ.... or if it was a mfg defect, thats even worse.... regaurdless, thats the last time I buy wolf ammo for my AR...

however, it will continue to run in my SKS's. as a rock packed over powder would still fire outta the S's.

ip.

The Deer Hunter
November 3, 2008, 08:30 PM
I don't think one hollow point out of a couple hundred would deter me from buying inexpensive ammunition.

I know I want a handgaurd with rails, so I can mount a front grip, and a taclight.. any cost efficient suggestions would be great!

Cost efficient and AR-15's usually aren't synonymous, I think the grip lights are at least $300 and the lights are between $175 -$300 when I was at the local shop a couple days ago. I think if you really needed a light you could use a barrel clamp with some tape and a lithium flashlight light (the lithium ones are really small and bright) for about $30.

innerpiece
November 3, 2008, 08:48 PM
well, thats the difference between me n you.. :) I wont use ammo from a company that cant even pack ther gear right.. but again, thats me... not you....
so ya know, it was one hollowpoint out of 20.. not a couple hundred. n I aint meaning t0o deter you, Im merely updating my DPMS Sportical "Diary"....

btw, the only one issue Ive had so far, was a feed, from the wolf ammo, today, coulda been the mag, shure, but other ammo has functioned flawlessly....
yet again, like I said, Ill use Wolf ammo in my SKS's, as its been primary for ammo in them, and never failed, tho its genaric ammo... but today I seen just how genaric it really was, and Id rather not use it in my AR unless thats all there was to use... but again thats me..

asto the handgaurd, taclight n front grip are concerned, my brother in law, SEAL team, is donating something nice next month, I cant wait to see what it is!

in the mean time I have a Cyclopse (cant recall the model) light that is extremely efficient for now. just wish it was mountable.

Mostly, Im looking foreward to getting a Scope on this thing so I can see what its able to do out at 300. so, Ill continue on with the reports I have, and hopefully folks will be able to gather somthing from them. if nothing else, like I said, Im just doing a mere bit of recording..

ip.

innerpiece
November 4, 2008, 08:56 PM
allright, I resized a few more pics.

one pic is from the back side of the radiator, hit by 5.56, 55 gr AE stock. made a nice lil mess.

the other pics are the front, and back seats.
as you can see, there is ALOT of fragmentation all around. while I can tell many bullets went thru the front seat into the back. nothing made it thru the backseat/trunk firewall.. and nothing out the trunk..

regaurdless, I did not notice too much bullet stray from impact on the windshield, onto the seats.

one shot clanced off the dash and stuck in the steering wheel. Ill nab a pic of that one in the next few days.

like I said before. I wouldnt want to be on the recieving end, inside a car being rained on by 5.56.... however, youd have a better chance than if you were getting shot at by 7.62... niether would be cool.....
but this is the results of my testing.

ip..

tacweapon
November 4, 2008, 10:16 PM
You should be seeing some deflection because typically the bullet will take the angle of the windshield, also it will seperate from the jacket and break at the cannalure but that also depends on the range that you are shooting

Until you get your new handguard I would suggest you use the mag well as a vertical foregrip ( do not use the magazine since it could cause issues with reliablity and the mag release )

I have used wolf before and not had any problems with it using my RA XCR but I have noticed that it is not the greatest quality, for cheap plinking ammo I use Silver Bear

I have used the 2x Tru-Glo on my RA XCR and the thing I noticed is that you have to have the exact same checkweld because your zero will be way off if you dont

Just some thinks I have noticed in my shooting and the classes I have been to I hope it helps you

Enjoy your new Rifle and Stay Safe

innerpiece
November 5, 2008, 09:47 PM
thanks tac!
could you please elaborate on "checkweld"?!
I dont believe there is any magnification on this tru-glow. kinda one reason I chose it over a 40mm x1.5


most of the shots at the car were under 25yds.. there was plenty of fragmentation, so Ill need to paper target a seat in order to get a more accurate picture of deflection...

however, shooting multiple calibers at multiple windshields, Ive learned the science and theory of things are quite different from many results.. Ive had (mm punch straight thru with no change of angle, on the first shot.... 7.62 goes thru most anything (within reason) with no deflection.

but I am interested in findin more about what a lil 55gr bullet will do on a fresh windshield.. tho it has shown little deviance of path thru car doors.... however fragmentation has been quite obvious!

the "push thru" is what Im interested in.. and in time, we will see what I come up with.

thanks for stoppin thru!

ip.

tacweapon
November 5, 2008, 11:00 PM
thanks tac!
could you please elaborate on "checkweld"?!
I dont believe there is any magnification on this tru-glow. kinda one reason I chose it over a 40mm x1.5

I have to have my cheek in the exact same place everytime or I get signaficant changes in zero I have been off at 20 yards before by 2-3 inches because I had a different checkweld and out at 100 yards I was not even on target it is because of the parrallax of the scope

I hope this helps

FlyinBryan
November 5, 2008, 11:28 PM
very interesting thread.

checking it out kinda gives me an ideA of what my bushy would do against targets like that that ive never had a chance to shoot.

will keep checking this one.

ps. i wouldnt use the wolf either, but then again, i handload everything i shoot.

innerpiece
November 6, 2008, 07:59 PM
thanks folks!

Ill do a lil more testing this weekend, and report with pics etc.

any requests or ideas, please let me know, Ill do the best I can, if possible, to follow thru!

ip.

tacweapon
November 6, 2008, 08:29 PM
No requests but I have a friend looking at one of these so if you could would you give a more detailed description of the fit & finish and what you like, dont like, think could have been done better. If you could describe how it ran on wolf and silver bear or any other cheap ammo

Thanks Tacweapon

Stay Safe this weekend

innerpiece
November 7, 2008, 07:29 PM
no problem tac.

Ill post up a few more details and macro pics in a cpl hrs, when my kids go to sleep.

the wolf .223 was quite inexpensive, I did like that fact about it.. and I may just consider grabbing a nother box or two tomorrow to give it a fair second chance..
I really havent noticed any difference in recoil between it, or other brands, Im used to shooting things that punch a bit more, so this gun just really dosent have much of a measurable recoil imo... I dont think Ive shot at long enuff ranges to judge it agains other brands for accuracy either.. but I am going to try and zero the red dot to 100yds tomorrow from a rest, so Ill do my best to provide a comparison.
the only thing I really can say is that the only malfunction Ive had so far was one time, with wolf ammo, and it was a failure to feed.. (and the one hollow point packed in a box of FMJ)..

Ill try and provide a lil more this weekend.

thanks, ip.

tacweapon
November 7, 2008, 08:09 PM
It is up to you but I zero my AR type rifles at 50 yards using the BZO it might be something you should consider doing just FYI

caseypj
November 7, 2008, 09:27 PM
Did you have any problems with the wolf short stroking? I'm looking at getting a DPMS rifle but Wolf doesn't function properly in my current Bushmaster Rifle. How was the accuracy of it?

SAKOHUNTER
November 8, 2008, 08:59 PM
There was a flyer that came with my Sportical that recommended not using Russian lacquer coated ammo, i.e. Wolf, Silver Bear.

I really like my Sportical.....good quality with a nice fit and finish. My only complaint was the heavy trigger pull but a RRA NM FCG fixed that.

cbrgator
November 8, 2008, 09:00 PM
There was a flyer that came with my sportical that recommended not using Russian lacquer coated ammo, i.e. Wolf, Silver Bear.

Silver Bear is not lacquer coated. Wolf used to be but is no longer.

SAKOHUNTER
November 8, 2008, 09:07 PM
Good to know....you would think DPMS would be up on that.:confused:

hankdatank1362
November 8, 2008, 10:38 PM
I just don't understand why they don't put a friggin' dust cover on the upper. I mean, really... how much more expensive could that possibly make the rifle?

innerpiece
December 5, 2008, 03:04 PM
Hi all!
sorry for the lack of updates recently, been workin alot, and not 'playing' much.

even if its super cold this weekend here in MN, and it is! Im still going to get out and do a little more testing.

got a box of Ultramax .223 55gr SoftPoint ammo. Im gonna see how it does against the Steel. I was thinking about using it on the car, but Im not too concerned with those results as I would easily prefer FMJ on any Hard target..

But Ill test it on the steel for pennetration.

Im also thinking about putting it thru a gallon of vater wrapped with Denim, and place a piece of Sheetrock about 2 feet behind it, then 1/2 inch plywooed behind that..
merely for a "non scientific" look at what it will do to a wall after pennetrating a "soft target"..

Pretty shure we all know it will go thru everything. but ya never know with soft points, sometimes they explode, sometimes they hold together all too well.

any other ideas or requests, lemme know and Ill do my best.

thanks, ip.

U.S.SFC_RET
December 5, 2008, 05:30 PM
I don't know how much you paid for your DPMS Sportical but I shelled out $680.00 for mine. I think it is alot of gun for the money and alot can be done with it. No frills and bare bones.

innerpiece
December 5, 2008, 06:34 PM
U.S.SFC, I paid a lil over $800, but that was after an extra mag (bushnell), a Red Dot scope (30mm tru-glo) and a few boxes of ammo, oh, and a different sling.

you got a better deal, but Im still happy I paid what I did, Id do it again, mabey even pay a lil more.

yer dam right, its a GREAT gun for the money, and I really look foreward to putting a few accessories on it,. over time tho..

ip.

SAKOHUNTER
December 5, 2008, 06:42 PM
I paid $599 for mine back in the summer and so far I have purchased some P-mags and a RRA FCG for it....had a spare scope for it already.

wally
December 6, 2008, 09:47 AM
I was extremely dissapointed.... How the HELL do you pack a HP into a box of FMJ.... or if it was a mfg defect, thats even worse

Interesting, whenever I shoot a large number of Wolf rounds at the same point of aim, I get a large group that looks like decent groups from two or three different brands of ammo -- multi-modal dispersion in statistics terms.

If they merge multiple production line outputs in the packaging step could explain both our observations.

Wolf is cheap, works fine in all my guns as long as the chambers are clean and free of oil, and is more than minute of 2-liter soda bottle accurate so it meets my needs. I'd rather shoot more cheap ammo at reasonably large targets vs. less expensive ammo at smaller targets.

--wally.

Timradcliffe345
December 6, 2008, 01:27 PM
Innerpiece: Empty 20 thirty round mags of your choice of ammo in rapid succession and report any failures, should they occur. Thanks.

hankdatank1362
December 6, 2008, 01:34 PM
I'm sure he'd be happy to, if you're paying for the ammo.

innerpiece
December 6, 2008, 01:36 PM
will do, if youll fund the ammo! lol

like Ive said before, Im not a wannabe commando. nore would I ever have to shoot that much to hit any/multiple targets..
I dont see the need for that kind of test.. but if you would fund it, I WILL do it.. fair?!
I have emptied 2 30rd mags as fast as I could, with no failures.. XM193.. but I would never have to do that either...

I go for a more realistic approach of things Tim.
I aim and shoot, or point shoot if Id need to.. Im not the spray and pray kinda guy.

thanks for recommending a test tho!

ip.

hankdatank1362
December 6, 2008, 01:40 PM
Tim, I love how you are so quick to bust people's chops on their choice of AR, when it sems that you have very litle experience yourself.

From another post:
Originally Posted by Timradcliffe45
I am able to buy a NIB COlt 6920 for $1450, is that a fair price? I need to know soon whether or not I should push ahead with this. Is the 6920 a decent AR? Thanks.

But, on another post, it seems like you are the end-all, be-all of the Colt AR series. Here's a (baseless) trolling, elitist comment:
Buy a Colt. Most other ARs
are cr@p.

and another:
Here we go again. Owners of subpar AR15s defending their pieces of cr@p, also-known-as Bushmaster, DPMS, RRA and Olympic.

and another:
Instead of talking up your asses, run 10 of your Bushmasters against 10 Colts on a 3k carbine course and see what the failure rates of each are. I can't believe how ignorant some people are.

and another:
Then I truly hope you have a Colt in your car as backup when, not if, the Bushmaster fails.



What, may I ask, is the level of your experience with the AR family of rifles? Oh, and don't go trotting out that tired "chart" again... it's outdated anyways.


Troll.

innerpiece
December 6, 2008, 01:48 PM
hank, I am fully aware of Tims entire reasoning for posting in my thread.. that is why I offerd to take this armchair commando up on his test if he would pay for the ammo...... oh, and the Mags, cause I only have 3 ;)

lets not bring the troll hunt in here please. this thread is ment to actually be educational.

thanks Hank.

ip.

chrissmallwood
December 6, 2008, 02:36 PM
Innerpiece- I bought a Sportical a few months ago and so far I've been satisfied with it. I've only run maybe 400 rds through it (with maybe 80 of them being wolf) but I haven't had one malfunction yet. Heres a pic of mine. The only things I've done to it is Ive added a Hogue grip, a Bushmaster Y-comp and I color filled the receiver markings.
http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/chrissmallwood/Picture410.jpg

I've only got a cheapo scope on it right now but it shows potential in the accuracy department. It would probably do better if I had a better trigger and scope but I'm not too worried at the moment. The only things Ive shot at worth mentioning is some 3/8" steel plate I picked up from work. At 50 yds it zipped right throught it. I think we got a good rifle for our money. Not everybody purchases an AR for shtf or some carbine course so we dont all need a 1300 dollar rifle, it just seems some people dont understand that.

innerpiece
December 6, 2008, 03:31 PM
hey chris!
actually, I remeber a thread you had, discussing how you did the filling in the stamps with paint. real good job on that btw!

thanks for stoppin thru the thread, really hope ya come back!

would be cool to see some pics of that 3/8 steel!

ip.

Timradcliffe345
December 6, 2008, 03:50 PM
PM me with your contact info, and I will send you some ammo, say 500 rds for the test. Mags you will have to come up with yourself. You really should have more than 3 mags. Let me know if you're interested.

BTW: I expect pictures and a detailed report if you decide to go through with this. Thanks.

chrissmallwood
December 6, 2008, 10:50 PM
Here's that pic you were wanting. My camera is starting to crap out on me so these were the best I could get. The first one's the entrance and the second one's the exit. The hole measures at around .360".

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/chrissmallwood/Picture415.jpg

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc103/chrissmallwood/Picture414.jpg

I have a few other pieces of steel Ive shot and if I can get good pics of them I'll send them to you in a pm.

innerpiece
December 6, 2008, 11:10 PM
Tim, while I appreciate that you claim to be willing to donate 500 rds of ammo for a test I AM willing to do.... Im not interested in buying 17 30rd mags just to please yer "nonsence" test.. that would out me about...... hmm.. lets say: $340 dollars!
I think not buddy! I dont need that many mags. nor do I need to conduct such a retarted and unrealistic test for you, especially if yer not <Grammaw cleaned up.>

<More Grammaw work.>


chris, right on!
what ammo were you using? Ive been trying to find some poly tip .223 around here, but being rural, thats kinda difficult.. Ill be trying the Ultramax .223 SoftPoint 55gr tomorrow on steel... interested in what it does.
thanks fer commin thru!

ip.

Cesiumsponge
December 6, 2008, 11:16 PM
Dang you sportical guys are making me jealous. I have the 24" bull barreled LR-308 and its not much fun to carry it around.

Hey Tim, how's that Colt LR-308-AR-10-SR-25 treating you? :rolleyes:

innerpiece
December 6, 2008, 11:25 PM
Cesium, I know its entertaining.... but letsplease not tease the troll..k?!
I want this thread to continue to be an actually educational tool for folks.... as when I was lookin to buy, I wish there would have been one like it!

thanks, ip.

chrissmallwood
December 6, 2008, 11:28 PM
Innerpiece- I was shooting either XM-193 or American Eagle 55grn FMJBT(which I understand to be a .223 version of XM-193) I cant really remember which and that was at 50yds. Let me know how those soft points work on steel, that would be interesting to find out. Id like to try some poly-tipped ammo but all the shops around me charge to much to justify trying it, especially since I bought 500 rnds of xm-193 about a month ago.

Cesiumsponge
December 6, 2008, 11:30 PM
How's the weight and recoil compared to the 5.56mm platform by chance?

Also, what'd you use to fill the engravings on the receiver? I've been considering it for a while.

chrissmallwood
December 6, 2008, 11:37 PM
I honestly dont know how the weight compares to other AR type rifles being as this is my first one but I do know that it is pretty light, 6.5 lbs if I remember right.

innerpiece
December 6, 2008, 11:47 PM
cesium.. imo. there is not much of any recoil difference detwen .223 and 5.56.. but then again, Im used to rifles that actually "punch"..

this just dont imo, its so easy to handle its sick. and it still does its job.

Ill run a couple brands thru tomorrow, and try to pay attention to any recoil difference.

Chris, I know, the poly tips are definetly pocket crucnhers... Ill grab a box when I can and Ill definetly report on them. at the least Ill do a windshield and a steel test.

for now most of my testing is on targets and objects within 50 yds. soon Ill get a scope to throw on, and Ill try to see what happens out at 200-300 yds.
will be fun!

ip.

chrissmallwood
December 6, 2008, 11:52 PM
Cool, let me know how the testing goes.

jpwilly
December 6, 2008, 11:58 PM
I'm assuming the Sportical only has a different upper reciever with no forward assist, no dust cover, and light bbl with no chrome...right? Don't see how that's going to be a big deal for 99% of us. BTW I own three DPMS rifles two AR-15's and one LR-308 AP4. GREAT RIFLES!

Shoot up some more stuff I'll keep checking in!

Cesiumsponge
December 7, 2008, 01:58 AM
cesium.. imo. there is not much of any recoil difference detwen .223 and 5.56.. but then again, Im used to rifles that actually "punch"..

Sorry, I wasn't clear on my question. I meant to inquire between the .223/5.56mm and .308/7.62mm sportical since both are a similar carbine configuration. I've never fired a compactish .308 battle rifle or AR-10 to date. My LR-308 is a very heavy beast and the recoil is very mild due to it's mass. I know the sportical type models probably have a bit more felt recoil as they don't have a lead pipe as a barrel. Even with a carbon fiber free float, mine weighs a ton.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3173/3063375601_cc81c3ddfc.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/impulselabs/3063375601/)

SHvar
December 7, 2008, 02:36 AM
To not listen to the brand snobs..
DPMS are great reliable very accurate rifles. That rediculous chart that the brand snobs keep posting is anywhere from 50-75% fiction depending on the brand.
I paid $539 for my lopro classic, it has had almost as much in add ons installed, with a new stock on the way (I really like magpul stuff).
I have no use for a dust cover on it, but if I was rolling around in the dirt with it I would be a bit more careful, and still have no reason for one, or a forward assist.
Surefire M-73 quad rail, Bushnell 1x32 t-dot reticle MP scope, TDI arms verticle foregrip, a 110 lumen flashlight with strobe setting and remote switch, a collapsable stock (soon to be replaced with a Magpul MOE, the CTR was not available anywhere in black), a rubber recoil pad, rubber rail protectors, a single point sling, a hogue rubber grip, and several magazines (3 magpuls, and multiple standard issue 30 rd GI issue mags), sometime I will get more magpuls (they are awesome).
Ive fired a few thousand rds since summer in this rifle.

4Freedom
December 7, 2008, 04:27 AM
Found one for $1000.. Everyone says not to buy because they retail for $650.. I am really scratching my head still on this one. I want a good quality AR15 reallly bad and dont want to wait a year.. Someone told me DPMS makes inferior .223 to Rock River. Well, seeing how things are going I will be lucky to get any gun. Well, I am happy you love the gun so much, at 6.8 lbs or so I think it woudl be a great rifle for carrying through the woods, without losing firepower and accuracy. That is my newbie opinion. lol :(

U.S.SFC_RET
December 7, 2008, 05:25 AM
I am reasonable certain that a sportical is capable of shooting targets out to 300 plus meters just fine. There is no doubt about it. Put a scope on it and turn it into a varmit gun. I am willing to bet pdogs will have a hard time living it up at 250 meters and even 300. Put a good trigger on a sportical and watch the accuracy extend a bit.

Evenflo76
December 7, 2008, 01:37 PM
Great Thread!!! :)

http://evenflo.smugmug.com/photos/324984420_oiPbA-XL.jpg

Here is a pic of when I sighted in the scope at 100 yards. I walked it down from the top. I had a couple of flyers, but all in all not bad for the first time I ever shot at 100 yards. FYI The scope is a Pentax Gameseeker 1.5-6X40mm on a Wilson Combat mount.

http://evenflo.smugmug.com/photos/330346214_hurfP-XL.jpg

Evenflo76
December 7, 2008, 01:38 PM
Found one for $1000.. Everyone says not to buy because they retail for $650.. I am really scratching my head still on this one. I want a good quality AR15 reallly bad and dont want to wait a year.. Someone told me DPMS makes inferior .223 to Rock River. Well, seeing how things are going I will be lucky to get any gun. Well, I am happy you love the gun so much, at 6.8 lbs or so I think it woudl be a great rifle for carrying through the woods, without losing firepower and accuracy. That is my newbie opinion. lol

I paid $650, but that was back in July

yosarian
December 7, 2008, 01:47 PM
nice rifles guys.I like the sportical,thinking about grabbing one soon.My m4 needs a brother.Oh and heres my dpms mutt.Runs like a top never had a hang up. http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t286/yosarian_2007/gunpix003.jpg

innerpiece
December 7, 2008, 06:50 PM
Wow!
I gotta thank everybody for all the great contributions in this thread.. extremely stand up of all of yas!

Chris, as pictured, youll see the results of the ultramax .223 55gr soft point on 1/4 inch "hot press" Steel.. did its job, went right thru!

jpwilly, I promise, I will definetly keep shooting stuff up, for all of us to enjoy! cept fer the targets ;)

cesium, was prolly me not reading right. Im shure you, as I, would imagine there would be a significant amount of felt recoil between the two calibers. I personally would opt for the lighter caliber for a carbine, as I am a lighter fella. as we both know, only hits count tho, and Id rather make an aimed shot with a .308 thatn a .223, but beyond that, I work with what I can handle best, and hope that the bullets do their job on impact!
BTW, thats an absolutly BEAUTIFUL rifle man, by all means!!!

SHvar. fer sher! Im not a gun snob vial brand and price. Id personally find something that works, no matter what its called, and practice with it till we know each other like best friend! afterall, the name of the gun that a bullet comes out of dont much matter if ya dont hit what yer shootin at ;)

4Freedom, I replied in yer thread. to sum it up, Id get it, if it dosent mean youll be broke afterwards. its a great rifle. I dnt regret for a second buying mine, a lil over 800. Soon Ill be odering something with a little more "reach out and touch" from DPMS. prolly something like what Cesium has!

U.S. FSC, its always cool to read what you have to say, thanks again for stoppin thru my thread!
Im definetly gettin a scope for it soon. honestly, Im quite partial to a 3x9 x 40mm that Ive had on quite a couple varmint guns. but I was thinkin of something about 7-8x with a 50mm lense. I really want a QD mount so I can go from red dot to Scope without zeroing every change. I will say I was quite impessed with a 250yd shot I took at a pile of dirt the otherday, with the cheaper red dot I hav on right now.. a mere couple inches to the right.. on target all things considerd.

Evenflo. thakns for stoppin thru! you are one of the reasons that I bought the Sportical! I really appreciate yer input and I look foreward to you comin thru as often as possible!
thanks for the pics and reports, I hope you will add more over time!

yosarian, Get one!
quite shure ya wont regret it.
verry nice rifle btw. I want a couple more mage, like you got. Ive got a tac vest that holds 8, so I need 6 more... lol, then Ill need to fill them all..looks like you got yerself coverd nicely!

all right, heres the pics..
1st is the rifle and the steel
second is the entery point, using Ultramax .223 55gr soft point.
third is exit.
4th is a close up of the exit.

1/4 inch steel "hot press". from about 25 yds.

again, thank you all for yer contributions!
I diddnt have time to set up the "soft target with wall backing" today.. lil boy had to go to the clinic, and I had my daughter all day.. Ill try to get that done in the next week.. for fun Ill also try and compare the same test in 7.62x39 from a SKS..

take care all!
ip.

chrissmallwood
December 7, 2008, 10:03 PM
Nice pics. Those would probably make a nice hunting round for smaller animals. You should try that again at 50 and 100 yds to see what the difference in yardage makes.

At work we use up to 7/8" plate for some of the parts we run and if I can get a big enough scrap piece Ill see how thick of a plate it will penetrate at 25yds.

We should start are own club for those of us with DPMS rifles. We can call it the Panther Club:D.

innerpiece
December 8, 2008, 06:31 PM
Hey Chris!
I grabbed a couple more pieces if steel today. 2 pieces of 3/8th and 2 pieces of 1/2 inch..
that 1/2 inch looks pretty darn thick tho! real curious if itll come out with a hole in it.
Ill try and get to shootin at them before this weekend. thinkin Ill use a .223 FMJ, and some XM193 for the tests.

DPMS owners thread would be a cool idea, Id participate!

take it easy!
ip.

atrain08
December 8, 2008, 09:36 PM
Hey guys,
I'm new to this forum and I joined up just because of this thread! I have a DPMS sportical, I bought it as my first AR15 and so far I'm pretty pleased. I have a tru-glow red dot mounted on it right now and I can honestly say I'm not the red dot type! I like to have a 10 power scope at the least. I'm going to put a 10x 40 scope on it, probably a Bushnell Elite 3200 or a Nikon plus a YH 4 rail hand guard and a Bi-pod. I want to try some 200yard shooting with it. Here is a pic or two from when I first got it.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/mx400/My%20guns/ar152-1.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff177/mx400/My%20guns/ar15.jpg

Do you all have a suggestion on the bi-pod?

U.S.SFC_RET
December 9, 2008, 06:51 AM
I used to drive by Olymic Arms on my way to work every day and never stopped by. The place looked average considering the layout. I once spoke to an employee who got paid something like $9.00 or so an hour starting off. Not a lot of money to raise a family on. When I was stationed out in Washington State I handled one of those rifles but I don't know much about them.
I will say this though. The sportical DPMS is growing on me. Looks to be very versatile. When I was shooting the M16 platform in the Army they were a hoot to shoot. I hit targets out to 500 meters and I am sure the same can be done with these. It is pure mathematical it you think about it. We would sight them in at 25 meters and at 250 meters they would fall right back on target but with the higher front and rear sights.
I remember shooting in El Paso in some Heavy cross winds that were unpredictable. The winds would blow from left to right hard at 15 to 20 knots only to stop and start all day long. I would compensate by aiming three foot left of the 250 meter target and watch the bullet strike right of the target. I swear on a stack of bibles.
I have also hit 600 meter targets where you could just barely see the pop up target with iron sights but it took a couple of shots to hit it.
Hitting 300 was easy, Aim at the shoulders with young, sharp eyes. Bringing the iron front post level from the left and into the target and squeeze the trigger. Down the target would go.
250 meter targets was no challenge. 50 meter targets believe it or not can be because the bullet is higher and you tend to forget it so aim lower.
I once shot into a cross wind at 300 meters for 6 rounds and hit 6 times with the army issued mouse gun. Aimed one foot high and two and 1/2 kentucky windage to the left in fairly stiff breeze. Shocked the drill sergeant who was standing there behind me. His eyes were wide open when I turned around.
I am from the country. Never doubt an M16 platform to include that sportical it basically shoots the same. All small arms of the same caliber shoots the same out to 250 meter and acts a little different afterwards. The M4 platform will hit 300.

innerpiece
December 11, 2008, 07:07 PM
atrain, I have yet to do dedicated testing at 100yds with optics suitable to conduct reliable results.
thanks for joining THR and thanks for contributing to this thread! lookin foreward to seein you around more!
no bi-pod info here, have never used one.

U.S.SFC thanks again for comin thru and sharing more experience with us!
get a sportical! do it do it! lol.
Id personally love to see what kind of results you could attain with the experience youve had!
I do need to get some 'iron' sights. I really want some flip-up's.. but Ive noticed on the sportical, the rail on the upper is abit higher than the rail in front of the handgaurd...? I dont know if this is normal for this platform (flat top). so when I get more info on that, Ill start looking for sights.

ok, well, Ill be setting up the "soft target and wall" scenario tomorrow, and Ill tests a couple different loads of ammo.

also got a lil more steel for pennetration tests. enuff that Ill also test the SKS, and for giggles, Ill shoot a .17HMR at'em.

be back tomorrow or saturday with results.

take it easy!

ip.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
December 11, 2008, 08:34 PM
That car is gonna think twice before mouthing off to you next time. :)

innerpiece
December 12, 2008, 10:20 AM
haha! yeah we worked out our differences...

innerpiece
December 13, 2008, 12:05 PM
well, using XM193, it wouldnt make it thru 1/2 inch steel.. real close tho!

I wasnt suprised really, thats a thick piece of metal! Ill get pics up in a bit, and post measurements with the caliper.

ip.

innerpiece
December 13, 2008, 10:18 PM
allright, heres the pics!

5.56 55gr XM193 against .500 inch hot press steel.

overall pennetration (from the lip of the splash to the deepest point) was .480

difference (tallest point of splash to the surface of the plate) was .145

actuall pennetration on the plate then, was .335 of an inch.

internal Dia of the bullet channel was .378

the shot was taken from about 25 yds with no angle on the target.

innerpiece
December 13, 2008, 10:28 PM
couple more pics.
view thru the red dot.. diddnt come out how Id hoped, had the cam on Macro tho. so ill try and fool around with it a bit more and see what I can come up with.

oh yeah, measurments wer taken with a Mitutoyo Caliper with a possible insturmental error of 0.005.. but I use Zeroing blocks befor I take measurments, so everything should be kosher!

As requested in this, or a nother of my threads, Im goin to take length measurments on a couple different brands/loads of ammo, and report them, Ill try and get it done yet tonight.

thanks folks!

ip.

doc540
December 13, 2008, 11:37 PM
Thanks for the invite to a GREAT thread!

Here's the Bushy the day before my first time to shoot an AR

that be today!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/doc540/Guns/AR15/Bushmaster%20A2S/Bushmaster001-1.jpg

(Old hotrodder I am, I had to do the Magpul trigger guard before I'd even shot the danged thing!)

innerpiece
December 14, 2008, 12:02 AM
Hey Doc!
glad you enjoyed the thread! nice rifle BTW, cant wait to see how she does for ya as get more of the bullets run thru, feel free to drop in and add at any time. would love to see how yer "friendly gatherings" tighten up!


Ok, took some measurments on three different loads... but first, as yall know, Ive been testing a bit with this Ultramax 55gr soft point, I know it reloaded ammo, but Ive found 3 different casing in one box of 50..
the majority (all but 3) are stamped as LC, I belive "lake city".. the other two are stamped as "WCC83" (2 shells), and "AM8" (1 shell).. if anyone knows about the AM8 orWWC83, please fill me in.

k, heres the results:

LENGTH:

Ultramax 55gr softpoint .223Rem:
- LC brass: 2.196
- WWC brass: 2.198

Wolf 55gr FMJ .223Rem:
- 2.248

AE XM193 55gr 5.56 NATO:
- 2.251


BULLET DIA.

Ultramax:
both tested: .223

Wolf:
.223

AE XM193:
.224



so thats that. thanks folks, hope the info is usefull in some way to someone!

take care.

ip.

HOLY DIVER
December 14, 2008, 12:31 AM
sportical the more i read the more i like this rifle,if anybody wants an AR that will shoot straight and u don't want to spend a ton of money hey.....you can't go wrong....might have to get myself one 3 AR's is a charm right?

Fire_Fight
December 14, 2008, 01:36 AM
New DPMS Sportical here also! I really like this thing, sleek side no forward assist and looks to be the DPMS low pro flat top upper. I have a "few" other AR's so I'm in no hurry to take it out of the ol blue case and shoot it. Maybe some day, but the new needs to wear off a bit.
FF
:):):):):):):):)

innerpiece
December 14, 2008, 01:17 PM
thanks for stoppin thru guys!
fire fight, shoot it, do it!
Im shure you might not wanna stop!

ip.

proven
December 14, 2008, 02:37 PM
great thread! i really enjoy first hand reports like this. not too scientific, just plain old backyard action.

sounds like your rifle is treating you well. thanks for all of the pics, and info. i just read this thread start to finish and as soon as you mentioned 1/2" steel, i couldn't wait to see what happened.

i will say (and please, no offense meant), that stock is plain ugly. :D function is what matters most to me.

but it won't affect function, so there's no worry. i have some pretty ugly, but functional tools as well.

i know this is your first ar, but have you or anyone one else with a sportical found yourself missing the case deflector? the dust cover and forward assist are kind-of moot on just a "fun gun". but i wonder how your rifle throws brass?

thanks and keep up the good reports.

chrissmallwood
December 14, 2008, 04:29 PM
Hey innerpiece, I just got back from the range and I took a couple of pieces of steel with me. I had 5/8" and 3/4" thick pieces of steel. I read your post where the XM193 failed to go through the 1/2 thick piece but I wanted to try it anyway. As expected it didnt make it but it was still fun doing it. I had some 75 grn Prvi with me and it did a little better than the XM193 but still didnt make it. After it was all said and done I got out my Mosin hoping it would show the AR how its done. It didnt make it either but it put a hell of a dent in it. Ive still got a few pieces of the 5/8" steel left that im going to make into targets for 22lr.

Proven- My sportical tosses my brass about 6' back and about 3' to the left and its very consistent. The brass is almost always in a nice little pile.

innerpiece
December 14, 2008, 04:40 PM
Hi chris. cool that ya went ahead with it! any pics?! would love to see them. specially what the Mosin did!

Ive got some 3/8 that I have yet to shhot at, think you did that tho allready right? like you, im gonna do it anyway just for fun. try a couple different loads see if the Dia. is different..
oh,since you brought up .22LR..lol I tried out some .17HMR on the 1/2 inch.. here were the results: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=412848

allright, take it easy Chris.

ip.

chrissmallwood
December 14, 2008, 06:11 PM
Well I would post pics but on the way home I had drop my car off at the body shop due to an accident I had last weekend and it turns out I left the plates inside the car so it will be about a week before I can get the car back:(. Ill try and post some pics when I get them back.

Yeah I tried the 3/8 already and it went right through but you should do it anyway because you can. Its not like we need an excuse to shoot steel plates anyway, right? We do it because its alot of fun:D.

The damage done by that 17HMR is pretty impressive for such a tiny round. Makes me wonder what my 22mag would do with the 32grn Hornady ballistic tips.
The thickest steel that Ive been able to get a 22lr to go through is only 1/16". It only puts a dent in 1/8" plate.

helz_mcfugly
December 15, 2008, 03:58 PM
INNERPIECE, thats a fine rifle. I like how it has the finger groves on the stock. I think DPMS are great. my friend who ownes a gunshop here in my town sells the crap out of them and never gets complaints. Ive never sht one myself, mines a Bushy, but I like what you're doin with the old car. always fun to see stuff like that.

V2Rider
December 17, 2008, 10:04 PM
NOT new to guns, but new DPMS owner. Heres my Sportical 308

V2Rider
December 17, 2008, 10:07 PM
On another note, I will NOT shoot wolf from my DPMS. I buy 200 rounds of winchester for 100 bucks. I shoot wolf from this.

HOLY DIVER
December 17, 2008, 10:24 PM
innerpiece,have thought of trying the sportical out on different types of metal?see if there is a difference in 1/2 carbon steele and 1/2 stainless steele?just an idea

raydumont@gwi.net
December 20, 2008, 11:11 AM
Hi all. I just signed up to high road. I just purchased a dpms sportical and haven't shot it yet as i'm waiting for a tactical scope that i ordered from sportsman guide. Can't wait to shoot it. How i found your forum i went to google and typed in the rifle and got your forum. I wanted to see if i had purchased a good rifle and most of you are happy with theirs. Hope i'll be just as happy with mine. Will let you know after i shoot it. :) i'm 73 years old and been shooting since age 12, i traded a 223 bolt action for the dpms, figured i better before obama outlaws them. Will keep looking at your forums. You all have a nice christmas and new year.



LIFE MEMBER, KENNEBUNK,MAINE

jpwilly
December 20, 2008, 11:22 AM
^^^ Ray good idea! Many of the DPMS rifles shoot just as good as many bolt action rifles anyway!

innerpiece
December 20, 2008, 05:27 PM
Hi folks!
thanks for all the input, and Im verry happy to see so many people sign on to THR for participation in this thread. thats just real neat!

000buckshot, thats a real good idea! however, I just only have access to Hard and cold rolled/pressed steel, without buying it.
Id be more than happy to shoot other things if somone is willing to supply it!


raydumont@gwi.net, thanks for joining THR, and thanks for coming by this thread!
I definetly look foreward to hearing about youre shooting experience with the Sportical. youve been shooting for twicw as long as Ive lived, about.. so please share any and all you can. many of us could learn from you!

V2rider, beautiful rifle! Im shure its got quite the significant punch over the 5.56/.223... please let us know what it does to things!
I shoot wolf outta my SKS's too ;) a yugo and a norinco.


helz, thanks for stoppin thru, Ill keep doin it, and keep reporting!, again, thanks!

Chris, right on, I understand the situation all to well, wish I diddnt lol.. cant wait to hear/see the results!


thanks everyone, Ill try and get something else done this weekend, and post results..

ip.

Vaulter98c
December 20, 2008, 07:12 PM
didnt read all four pages, but I got a 30$ quick fix for the rails. at a gun show this week they had a 2 piece kit (one rail in the center and two offset but not to the side yet like 45*) that could have 3 rails up top or one on the bottom center and two offset on top. Its a heavy plastic and mounts through the holes on the stock handrail. Im not sure if you can, but Id imagin you could find a kit similar on the web

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Midwest-Industries-MI-Rail-VPG-Package-p/mi%20rail%20vpg%20package.htm

ok, same idea as that but with a two rail mount for the top guard also. Like I said, i paid 30 for it, Im sure you could get it at a show or a store for a close price. Its very sturdy and Ive run it through a few live fire high speed movement drills and its held up fine. Dont have a light or laser on it yet, but I figure the only piece in question would be the grip mount. Ill post a pic of my setup so you can see.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=89150&stc=1&d=1229126742

bad pic, but you get the idea

Also, its not in this pic, but Id get a set of backup sights if you have the money. I just got a rear flip up (this is an old pic) for 40 and it co-witnesses perfect, and its a great backup feature, even tho I have extra batteries in my grip (20 at the show, and waterproof)

So ya, you can go cheap and get some good stuff, just have to look around

MyRoad
December 23, 2008, 06:39 PM
I became interested in Sporticals and found this thread... what a sign of the times, reading that some of you paid between $600 and $800 for them. Not these days -- there's one on GunBroker and its up to $1,000 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=118995076) already (two days left on the acution), I'll bet it goes north of $1,200 before its over. Amazing how these things work, value is truly up to the market.

atrain08
December 23, 2008, 07:26 PM
That's a 308 not a 556.

proven
December 23, 2008, 08:45 PM
how about a couple shots at tires (inflated), and mocked up walls. both exterior style with various sidings, and interior. an old plaster/lathe wall would be interesting. sorry can't help with the materials, but i would think that any construction site would have scraps you could scrounge.

Red Tornado
December 31, 2008, 10:42 PM
I was curious, so I'm aboard too. I've been seeing the ads, and just wondered if they were a deal. Seems they are. I've never had a dustcover or forward assist, so I wouldn't know if I miss them or not. I checked my Garand, no forward assist. I checked my K-31, no dustcover. I checked all my bolt actions, levers, .22's, shotguns, nothing. ;)

Okay, I've never had a black rifle. Hi, I'm Red Tornado and I'm a steel and walnut guy. However, I'm considering adding an AR type. I'm currently without a .223 since I sold my Savage Model 12, but still have some ammo left. So, it's either sell the ammo, or get a rifle. I think we know how that usually turns out. :cool:

Anyway, thanks for this thread innerpiece, it's just what I was looking for. I don't really have any input yet, I've got a lot of research to do before making the plunge, this is a great start. I may have to break down and go to Arfcom eventually, but I don't enjoy the lack of manners over there.
RT

4Freedom
December 31, 2008, 11:29 PM
Just got my new sportical baby and I will beef her up and then send a snap. This and my new DPMS LR-308 are my first two firearms. And quite pretty ones :D:D

V2Rider
January 1, 2009, 07:57 AM
If you get a .223 you may want the forward assist.

malamuteman1
January 24, 2009, 03:22 PM
waiting for my new LR 308 sportical to arrive next week am very excited and glad to have found this site ! :D

innerpiece
January 24, 2009, 04:15 PM
hi folks!
sorry I havent been around much to keep up with the thread. Ill try and get some more additions in here soon.

glad folks are still enjoyin the thread regaurdless!

ip.

skidooman603
January 29, 2009, 05:56 AM
Ramp it back up Innerpiece. I just bought my .308 sportical DPMS last night! Looked through all usual channels and "out of stock" like everything else in the world right now. Prolly paid a couple bucks too much for it but Hey, can't put a price on a good time! Like everyone else I worry about future availability:banghead: Wanted the .308 bang for Hogs and Deer. Hope to get lots of info from this thread being a first time AR owner. :D

ecline
February 17, 2009, 01:03 PM
Do you mind if I asked where you found one and what you paid? I'm still trying to find one myself, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg for it...

TRGRHPY
February 17, 2009, 03:45 PM
Soon Ill be odering something with a little more "reach out and touch" from DPMS. prolly something like what Cesium has!


Still thinking about it? I have the LR308 24"...great rifle, and got it for a good price (well before the panic). Most people that I have spoken with who own one are reporting 1MOA or better, which is outstanding for an AR-type or autoloader. If you order one from DPMS I would consider a few things to be done to it on the initial order. Get the JP trigger installed...A3 upper (don't want crap getting into the good stuff)...flute and cryo (will help the longevity) the barrel. These things will be worth it the first time you shoot and will cost you much less in the long run and save you from down-time.

Nice to hear that you and others like your sporticals. I'm considering getting one once things calm down a bit.

atrain08
February 17, 2009, 05:49 PM
Do you mind if I asked where you found one and what you paid? I'm still trying to find one myself, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg for it...

I bought mine new at a local gun shop for $625 and sold it used with only 40 rounds through it for $600.

skidooman603
February 18, 2009, 11:24 AM
Foolish. A new DPMS .308 sportical retail is around $950-$1000. They are bringing $1200-$1500 0n Gunbroker

ecline
February 18, 2009, 11:35 AM
Yeah, that's what I've been seeing, Skidooman603. My son found one in a gun store in Utah for $995, put it down to call me to ask if I wanted it, to which I quickly said "ABSOLUTELY!". He turned back around to pick it up and buy it, only to find some other guy already buying it! This all happened within about 30 seconds.... :(

I just want to find one and pay no more than LIST for it. Maybe I'm dreaming, but maybe another such opportunity might stumble along in my direction. Any leads would be most appreciated.

atrain08
February 18, 2009, 01:02 PM
Foolish. A new DPMS .308 sportical retail is around $950-$1000. They are bringing $1200-$1500 0n Gunbroker Mine was a .223.

skidooman603
February 18, 2009, 02:47 PM
I'de buy every $600 .223 I could carry right now :) Be patient and check your local dealers often. Grease an employee to call when they get any in. My local dealer gets a few now and then without knowing when they are coming.

skidooman603
February 18, 2009, 02:58 PM
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/TOYROOM018.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/TOYROOM020.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/TOYROOM024.jpg

She is still a virgin. Not yet to the range. Just mounted a Nikon Buckmaster I had around on her until I can start figuring out the Tactical goodies to dress her up with.

doglb
February 19, 2009, 07:51 PM
Well I will join the ranks!! Just picked up a DPMS Sportical locally for an awesome price!!! Cant wait to shoot it!!

Javelin
February 19, 2009, 10:24 PM
DPMS makes a great rifle.

skidooman603
February 20, 2009, 01:51 PM
Just Found a DPMS .223 that I plan to purchase over the weekend. Great for Coyotes and plinking. Don't like to take a beating everytime I go the the range.

Evenflo76
March 1, 2009, 10:53 PM
Got to take mine out of the case and put some ammo downrange yesterday.

Here's 50 at close range :)

http://evenflo.smugmug.com/photos/483375706_Hj5Nz-X2.jpg

skidooman603
March 10, 2009, 08:19 AM
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/GodLoveAmerica002.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/GodLoveAmerica009.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/gunnerlad/GodLoveAmerica006.jpg

2-10x40 combat optical scope with lighted reticle
120 lumen tactical light-strobe by combat optical
quad-rail handgaurd combat optical
Took her to the range Sunday and she functioned flawlessly and recoil from .308 caliber was much less than expected!

rickytick
March 16, 2009, 12:12 AM
Been reading this thread for a while lol , just picked up my DPSM sportical and thus far am very pleased after 100 or so silvertips through it. I added a new pistol grip with a hand stop that ive had in a drawer from a different project and a UTG quad rail, optics riser , MI gas block mounted front (flip up) sight
and am waiting on a tactical forend vertical grip with inserts for pressure switches. I need to run and grab a harris Bipod but am not sure wich one yet .
Question~can the stock flash hider be removed? or will it take a gunsmith?

rickytick
March 16, 2009, 12:17 AM
Skidooman, awesome .308 (drool) thats actually what i wanted but they are scarce to say the least these days. Im in Georgia and pickins are slim.. everything everywhere is out of stock or on back order and retailers are cashing in. :scrutiny:

Evenflo76
March 16, 2009, 08:30 PM
You should be safe in Georgia for having a threaded barrel.

Usually, rifles are only supplied to ban states in a non logical configuration. Do you see a pin going through the flash suppressor anywhere?

Oh yeah, I made some changes to mine. My cousin bought a new Remington SPS Tactical 223 and was in need of a scope. So, I took his Bushnell Holosight off his hands. Least I could do. :)

http://evenflo.smugmug.com/photos/492859219_xHMAA-X2.jpg

It matches the Sportical's lines pretty well IMO.

I'm thinking it is time for a Camo paint job now :evil:

rickytick
March 16, 2009, 10:53 PM
No pin that i can see, ill post some pics with a closer view, i tried to "unscrew" it and nearly took the skin off my hand...im thinking it may be machined on :uhoh:

chrissmallwood
March 17, 2009, 08:56 AM
rickytick- The flash hider on the sportical is threaded on. It just takes alot of effort to get it off the first time. You can try and let some penetrating oil work its way into the threads or heat it up.

skidooman603
March 17, 2009, 01:44 PM
Yes it should turn off but need to use a little umf

yosarian
March 17, 2009, 04:36 PM
Nice holosight evenflow :rolleyes: I used to have one just like it.:rolleyes:

C-grunt
March 18, 2009, 04:47 AM
Great thread. Something to reference next time some arm chair commando says a .223 has no penetration.

Looks like you are having a fun time. I would love to have a car to shoot up.

mr.trooper
March 18, 2009, 10:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/mrtrooper/100_2005.jpg

Bellow is my DPMS Sportical. Its topped off with a Millet DMS scope. I've had it for a few months. I don't know the round count, but i have shot PMC bronze, Wolf, and XM-193 through this rifle, out of various kinds of magazines, with no failures.

Iv shot it in the field during freezing weather with no problems. Its not a match rifle, but its accurate enough to pop musk rats. I get about 3" groups at 100 yards from an unsupported standing position; I'm sure that the groups could be much better if i wasn't such a crappy shot.

I have used D&H aluminum, C-Products stainless, Lancer L5, P-mags, and CMMG immortals in my Sportical with no problems.

Evenflo76
March 18, 2009, 11:57 AM
Very Nice mr.trooper!

skidooman603
March 18, 2009, 01:37 PM
Thank You for the comments on my Girl

Adam.C
March 18, 2009, 04:40 PM
Makes me want to get one!

f8talh8red
March 19, 2009, 12:24 AM
here is my olympic arms k3b flattop. i had an ncstar reflex red dot sight, but now i have a simmons 3-9x40, havnt got to go to the range yet with the scope on but cant wait. also have the od green pmag with the window. how do i put pics on this site. anyway i cant figure out how to put pics on this damn website. sorry, but anyway thats what i have.

Evenflo76
March 19, 2009, 12:45 AM
how do i put pics on this site. anyway i cant figure out how to put pics on this damn website. sorry, but anyway thats what i have.

Go here: http://www.thehighroad.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=18

skidooman603
March 19, 2009, 05:29 AM
Nice Mr. Trooper! Keep the cards and letters coming

dillynfw
March 19, 2009, 11:19 AM
Classic Arms had 2 on their website for a brief time the other morning for $800.

Couple available elsewhere for about $900. That's the best deal in the AR-15 family right now. Thoughts?

Vachss
March 19, 2009, 12:07 PM
Here's my DPMS, in Contractor color.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/panzer32/100_3220.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/panzer32/100_3358.jpg

skidooman603
March 20, 2009, 06:35 PM
VachSS I'm in Love. Very Nice!!

jpwilly
March 20, 2009, 06:40 PM
VachSS while I like the rifle and tan / dark earth color treatment. The buttstock seems the oddest place for a flashlight.

jeff91s
March 20, 2009, 06:53 PM
I am so jealous of you guys that already have your gun. I have the lower and am waiting very unpatiently for the rest to come in. I went through Del-Ton and I guess they are WAYYYY behind. Gee I wonder why???

Can't wait to get mine put together. I shot my brothers and even if it doesn't have burst it was more fun than shooting the one they give me out of the arms room.

rich636
March 20, 2009, 07:36 PM
Vachss,

AR good, two tubs of Nonni's Biscotti even better :D

skidooman603
March 21, 2009, 07:09 AM
Think ya need a few more mags. Yes what is your reasoning on the butt light? :D

W L Johnson
March 21, 2009, 08:48 AM
Think ya need a few more mags. Yes what is your reasoning on the butt light?

I asked for a Bud light! :D old joke.

skidooman603
March 25, 2009, 03:12 PM
OLdie BUTT a goodie Johnson Butt we dont want a rifle to be the Butt of a joke do we?:)

W L Johnson
March 25, 2009, 04:49 PM
Butt, butt butt.... why?

rmcrob
March 25, 2009, 09:48 PM
I've had my Sportical about a month. Just shot it for the first time last Saturday. Woohoo.

Here's how I have it tricked out:
http://www.rmcrob.com/wp-content/uploads/sportical.jpg

ckkone
April 2, 2009, 02:43 PM
Great thread!

Sportical 7.62x51
Tijicon ACOG TA33-9
Versa-Pod

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/cklinzing/dpms/IMG_9797.jpg

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm312/cklinzing/dpms/IMG_9804.jpg

lance0802
April 20, 2009, 07:12 AM
I need some advice on a quad rail. I just picked up a DPMS sportical - .308 variant. I would like to replace the standard hand guards with a quad rail, but there are many out there and I have no way of knowing which will hold up after several thousand rounds of firing. Additionally since it is a .308 I wasn't 100% sure that just any quad rail would fit it. I have been considering going with FF because I am addicted to accuracy - hate blaming a miss on the gun. Any suggestions?

Evenflo76
April 21, 2009, 05:08 PM
Try looking at MidwayUSA or Cabelas. Then read the reviews by people who have bought them first.

Also. magpul makes some very nice furniture for the AR platform.

LegalAlien
April 21, 2009, 06:32 PM
OK . . that's it!!!

I have been eyeing the Sportical as my first entry into the evil black rifle regime and all the extremely positive info I have read here today has helped me with my final decision.

I am a 'minimalist' and like the clean, no nonsense lines on the Sportical. I just do not see the need for that contoured barrel and all the other add-ons.

I am going to start out and get only flip-up Buis. A few extra mags (5 max). I have a few lights to chose from, but will decide some time in the future about which one will get mounted - if I go that far. A red-dot optic is about the only extra, over and above the BUIS that I am seriously considering.

Current price-point on most all the auction sites seems to have come down somewhat as well.

I will now watch the auctions and local dealers with an eagle eye and jump when I feel that I am not being gouged tooo much.

My wallet hand is now itching!!!!

fq13
June 23, 2009, 11:59 PM
I don't know if this thread is still active, but it was very helpful. I had to make a quick decision whether to buy a sportical (today only) and this was one of the clinchers. I got it from midwest gun exchange for $569 (support your blue dog democrats like Baucus, Tester and Webb and even Harry Reid, as they are the ones keeping an AWB from passing, at least until 2010). Anyway, I feel a lot better about my purchase, due to y'alls comments. I am going to mount the B@L Elite 300 from my deer rifle on this beast and was wonding about scope rings. What would you reccomend? Also, this is my 1st AR since ROTC many many, years ago. I got 4 magpulls with the gun. Are they any good or should I be looking for GI surplus?
Thanks,new to this board and new to ARs
FQ13

MoDerN_WarRioR
August 28, 2009, 12:34 PM
Hello guys/girls! This is my first time actually posting anything on this site and i wanted to join because this one threat really interests me!

I have owned a sportical for a couple years now and byfar its my favorite carbine for the $ I got my for $699 new in the box and have put quite a few upgrades on it to spice it up a bit! :)

Soo, with that said i wanted to show everyone my set-up and see what people think of it. Its still in the building stage cuz there is ALWAYS some thing else to put on it and will probably never be done being built LoL Here are a few pics my friends!

Sorry for the LOW Res. Pictures, (pics from CELL POHONE)

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/Modern_Warrior/AR15-10.jpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/Modern_Warrior/AR15-9.jpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/Modern_Warrior/AR-Me5.jpg

CMP
August 28, 2009, 01:38 PM
Heres my DPMS, though I would throw it up to show the quad rails. If anybody is looking for an affordable set that isnt free-float, double star makes a good set for $130 or so. The pictures make the finish lighter than it is.
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u34/CMP56/089.jpg
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u34/CMP56/091.jpg

Im pretty sure that anybody that has a problem with DPMS must of had a problem with them awhile back because they make a fine rifle now.

yosarian
August 28, 2009, 02:10 PM
Modern warrior she looks great.

dom1104
August 28, 2009, 03:40 PM
Sportical.

maybe I am shallow, but I wont own a rifle called "Sportical". :)


EVER. in my life. period.


carry on gentlemen.

MoDerN_WarRioR
August 28, 2009, 07:12 PM
Thank you Yosarian! I appreciate it :)

This is my current set up on it right now, looking to add a suppressor to it next week hopefully and am attaching a single mount sling to it as we speak!

Ill update more pics when its complete!

And dom1104 DPMS makes some of the most reliable and efficient AR's on the market. Just happens the Sporticals are the cheaper of AR-15's but quality and reliability are still there no matter what the name of the gun is!

taliv
August 31, 2009, 10:13 AM
keep it THR people

MoDerN_WarRioR
August 31, 2009, 10:40 PM
Hello Folks!

I just threw a couple things on my gun this weekend including the Spike's Tactical CAR1 CAN and the Blackhawk's single point sling system. Enjoy! :)

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/Modern_Warrior/IMG_0604.jpg

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/Modern_Warrior/IMG_0606-1.jpg

MoDerN_WarRioR
September 1, 2009, 01:59 AM
UP! For cool guns!! :neener:

dom1104
September 1, 2009, 12:56 PM
And dom1104 DPMS makes some of the most reliable and efficient AR's on the market. Just happens the Sporticals are the cheaper of AR-15's but quality and reliability are still there no matter what the name of the gun is!


Is that even true? I always thought DPMS was considered "bottom tier" in AR world. With Oly Arms etc.

Maybe I am misinformed but I thought they actually had a bad reputation quality wise.

And yes, call me crazy but I will never own a gun called Sportical. I just cant do it. I would laugh at MYSELF every time I saw it, not to mention the ridicule at the range. And I get enough jokes made about my groups :)

CMP
September 1, 2009, 02:12 PM
At one time I think DPMS had quality issues, but that was years ago. They make a top notch rifle now.

MoDerN_WarRioR
September 1, 2009, 04:48 PM
I don't know the past history of DPMS if they did have issues they certainly fixed them. Mine has yet to fail me after about a thousand rounds.

I'm glad i didn't purchase it in the "lemon" phase of their production cuz I'm in love with mine. It has never let me down! :)

So Don't judge me ;) LoL

MoDerN_WarRioR
September 2, 2009, 08:37 PM
UP!!!

Evenflo76
November 3, 2009, 01:12 PM
:D...

LegalAlien
November 3, 2009, 04:49 PM
Here is my Sportical with a couple of add-ons:-

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp186/LegalAlien1949/IMGP0065.jpg

EdLaver
May 13, 2010, 06:45 PM
Can you put a Magpul B.A.D. Lever on a sportical upper? There is a cut-out on Sportical uppers that differ from standard uppers.

Evenflo76
May 13, 2010, 10:02 PM
Interesting. I like it.

Looks like it will. But I would check with Magpul first.

http://store.magpul.com/downloads/badnewsfeed.pdf

EdLaver
May 15, 2010, 11:47 AM
Response from DPMS about the Magpul BAD lever on Sportical uppers:

The Magpull BAD will not work with the Sportical (Lo-Pro Upper receiver).
If you have any questions please feel free to contact our sales team.


Thanks,


Customer Service
DPMS Firearms, LLC
3312 12th St SE
St. Cloud, MN 56304
Phone: 1-800-578-3767
Fax: 1-320-345-9249

MoDerN_WarRioR
May 16, 2010, 12:05 PM
Good to see this thread is still alive!

Here is my current set up... My sportical goes through many many stages. :)

http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/Modern_Warrior/AR15-14.jpg

Goood ol' Sporticals!

--Chris

innerpiece
June 26, 2010, 04:29 AM
Modern warrior, verry nice rifle! and thanks for youre additions here.

Hi everyone, sorry I dropped of the face of the earth for a while, glad to see the thread is still movin along, and hope its helped some folks.

Ill work on some more tests and additions again soon.
thanks ip.

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