Want accurate 9mm for range - CZ75, 92FS, G34, P226?


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watarski
October 19, 2008, 12:51 PM
I went to the range to shoot my .40 P229 and G26 on Friday. A friend wanted me to check the sites on his Beretta 92FS...big mistake. I was more accurate with his Beretta than my Sig :mad: Not to mention it was fun. I am now looking for an accurate and fun to shoot 9mm for the range. I've only shot the Beretta and a Glock 34, but have no experience with the P226 and CZ-75s. I've read that the CZs have impeccable accuracy. Opinions?

...Or to throw another kink, should I just hold out for a full size .45 1911?

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BlindJustice
October 19, 2008, 01:23 PM
Here's an opinion of a friend of mine...

We went to the range, and I brought along my
CZ 75B 9MM Luger, and S&W 1911 5" Bbl in .45 ACP

His conclusion, was he liked 9MM LUger, both guns
are accurate, but would like a 1911 with a little shorter
slide in 9MM Luger because of the 1911 trigger. I let
him know about the Commander offerings.

Yeah, right out of the box my CZ 75B was silly accurate
just takes a bit of adjustment switching from being used
to a 1911 trigger - more over travel, and longer reset but
it's nice to have the DA option.

Randall

watarski
October 19, 2008, 03:38 PM
I had not even thought about a 9mm 1911. I guess that would make since, but I have read so much anti-9mm 1911 banter on the forums...not the way it was meant to be, etc. I have been waiting to purchase my first 1911 in .45, but having it in 9mm would combine low recoil, fun, accuracy, and cheaper ammo...all in the 1911 platform that I want. Hmmm. Now I've got even more decisions. :banghead:

benderx4
October 19, 2008, 03:44 PM
Okay, here I go again. I've shot A LOT of 9mms. Probably the most accurate out of the box was the CZ75b, although the trigger had much to be desired.

Then I shot the HK P7M8 with its funky squeeze cocker and fixed 4" barrel. Holy Cow! Talk about accurate? Unbelievable. And honestly, its trigger was easily as nice as the best 1911 I ever shot.

Give it a try, you'll be impressed. Breakdown is a snap, all steel construction, and a P7 can still be found for less than $700 in excellent condition. Great investment too, easy to sell if you ever get tired of it.

Good luck in your search.

jaholder1971
October 19, 2008, 04:27 PM
Pure bullseye accuracy?

Smith and Wesson Model 952, AMU-build M9 or bullseye m1911A1 chambered in 9mm.

rbernie
October 19, 2008, 04:35 PM
My CZs and Sigs and Berettas are all about the same in the mechanical accuracy department. I shoot some better than others. The point is that practical accuracy is part mechanics of the pistol and part mechanics of you.

Don't be surprised that on any given day, you'll shoot one better than the others - and that the one you shoot best will change over time.

lechiffre
October 19, 2008, 04:54 PM
between the sig p226 beretta 92 and cz 75 it wil be up to the individual gun and yourself as far as accuracy is concerned.

Lucky Strike
October 19, 2008, 05:08 PM
I'm going to recommend an EAA Witness Elite Match....it's based on the CZ75 and the trigger on it is great. I have one in .45 but they make them in 9mm too. Plus they're only $500

Joel Jacobs
October 19, 2008, 05:44 PM
Smith & Wesson 952

watarski
October 19, 2008, 06:00 PM
Wow, the S&W 952 is nice...but definitely out of my price range. I know it's absolutely the shooter as far as accuracy goes, but having good mechanical accuracy out of the box helps. I think I tense up more with the .40 than the 9mm - that might explain the difference I had at the range. I need to get my hands on a CZ-75 to shoot. Anybody have issues with their 9mm 1911?

sturmgewehr
October 19, 2008, 07:07 PM
The EAA Witness Elite Match is plagued with problems. The guns were supposedly updated in 2005 to correct the reliability issues and to keep the magazines from falling out while firing yet people buying them today report the same problems. The .40 and .45 versions do not have these problems, just the 9mm.

Couple that with EAA's HORRIBLE customer service and you might want to explore other options.

PoPo22
October 19, 2008, 07:07 PM
I've had an "STI" (Commander) Ranger II for several years and it is very accurate and fun to shoot. I believe the 9mm round is inherently more accurate than a .40 cal., not to mention less recoil which makes it easier to handle recoil and get back on target quicker. Springfield Armory has come out with a line of "Commander" and "full size" 1911's in 9mm which are affordable (as opposed to the $1000.00 for an STI). Any of the weapons mentioned would be a good choice so it would come down to personal choice. Just shoot as many as possible before the purchase so you will feel good about whichever one you choose. Good luck.

zen pistol
October 19, 2008, 08:30 PM
I'm a cz fan myself and would easily recommend you a cz sp01 or any of its variants like the phantom. But you said you found out that you were more accurate with the beretta and that it was also fun to shoot. Why not stick with the beretta if it works for you? Or better try out the cz's and the beretta and see which one shoots better and is more fun to shoot. Just my two cents.:)

f4t9r
October 19, 2008, 09:16 PM
Hold out for the 45

all the 9's you listed are good. I would pick the P226 or CZ

WARDER
October 20, 2008, 11:02 AM
hi waterski,i honestly think if its accuracy your after go for the .45 ,but get a good one like colt or kimber,dont go to the bottom of the ladder i have a cz75 for years which i carried daily mainly because of its capacity a great gun that never let me down ,but dont forget the 9mm round is really a military design not for target shooting ,i have a 1911 stainless colt government tuned and must say the accuracy is superb ,on no account buy a plastic framed gun you might as well throw your money over the wall . Don't forget a gun is only expensive the day you buy it .

SigP229R
October 20, 2008, 11:21 AM
I have a Beretta and a S&W 5903 in 9mm and a Sig in.40 {P229R} and I shoot about equal with all three and this means that about all the guns ar equal but operator needs improvement. LOL

Tecolote
October 20, 2008, 01:16 PM
Try them all and get what fits your hands the best. Of the ones you listed I would rate them as P226, Beretta 92FS, Glock 34 and CZ75. I would expect someone else might have the models in a completely different order.

I've only seen two Beretta 92FS jam at the range, both cases were due to negligent owners with filthy and bone dry pistols. A few drops of CLP got them running like new. I've seen about the same amount of failures with P226 and Glock 34 models. For all their ballyhooed reliability, I've seen more CZs jam then the other models you're considering. As always, YMMV.

Jayhawker
October 20, 2008, 05:51 PM
I've got the CZ 75 SA, G 34, BHP and the 92 FS. I'd probably give the edge to the CZ for accuracy. It might have something to do with the trigger job I did on it. All, in my opinion, are accurate and very dependable for what they are-service pistols-and fun to shoot. My 1911, 6" barreled, STI Trojan is in a whole different world however, when it comes to accuracy. To paraphrase a saying we used when I was building engines-Accuracy costs money. How accurate do you want to be?

ROVERMAN
October 21, 2008, 05:04 PM
Tough to add to what has already been stated. I have a buddy who wanted to shoot my 92FS a while back. 15 rounds later he went from the range to the counter in the gun shop and bought one. But on the other hand I have fired the CZ and P229... the guns are great, my skills are the only variable. Get what you like best and develope your skills.

redneckrepairs
October 21, 2008, 05:09 PM
If you want a range 9mm well get either a hp or a p7 . the hp can be tuned , and the p7 wont need to be .

gotime242
October 21, 2008, 06:07 PM
Fnp-9

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 21, 2008, 11:53 PM
CZ and Accuracy are synonymous terms for good reason.

david_the_greek
October 22, 2008, 12:10 AM
I love my CZ. Fits my hands like a glove. I've tried sigs and HK's and I don't remember them fitting my hands as well as the cz. The cz is very accurate, though I'd bet no one could accurately say that a sig/beretta were less than accurate (non junk/abused ones at least). I don't like the beretta just because it feels like a brick (ymmv). The sig is quality no doubt, the cz.... mmmm holds a soft spot no doubt...

On your curveball kicker, I LOVE my 1911. I think I shoot it the best out of my handguns and the trigger of a 1911 is really great. My trigger control sucks with some guns but with a 1911 you can't do poorly, its just that nice. That being said, the cz field strips easier and the ammo is a lot cheaper. Both are absolutely amazing. Though some people seem to have issues with their new 1911's (before dumping $$$ into them!), so be careful what you buy.

stevemis
October 23, 2008, 05:31 AM
All of my CZ's are silly accurate. I personally find the larger (and tritium!) sights on the SP01 much easier to work with than the tiny combat sights on the 75B or P01. If you're looking at CZ's, you really should look into the SP01 line.

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