I might be going crazy! can't seem to rationalize a new gun, please help!


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sam700
October 20, 2008, 11:12 AM
Iím a bit worried about my sanity right now. No matter how hard I think about it, I canít see much need for another gun!! I think there might be something seriously wrong with me. Thereís lots of guns that I want to buy, but pretty much everything seems to be a duplicate of something I already own. Please make some suggestions as to what I should buy this year.

ē Right now, I own a 10/22 target rifle which I use for most of my practicing.

ē A Remington 700 Varmint rifle in .308 Win. I use this for long range target shooting. Itís also my deer rifle when I donít have to walk too far or am planning on a long shot.

ē A Kimber Montana in .300 Win Mag. This is my go to hunting rifle for all big game. I use it for 75% of my deer hunting. I also take it backpack hunting in Northern Wisconsin and the UP of Michagan. Itís been to Alaska a couple of times as well. Basically, I use this whenever Iím hunting something bigger than deer or I need to carry the gun more than a few miles.

ē 870 Express with both slug and smooth bore, need I say more?

ē Smith and Wessin 629 .44 revolver with a 5 inch barrel. I take this as a sidearm in bear country. I also keep it around just in case I ever decide to hunt with a handgun. 5 inches is about as short as would be practical for deer hunting. Itís a bit heavy for a self defense gun.

ē AR 15 M4 type. Basically, just a toy for plinking out to 200 yards. I did take it deer hunting one year when I back pack hunted the national forest in northern Wisconsin. That was before I had my Montana and I sure as heck wasnít going to backpack hunt with my 700 varmint rifle!! I might take the AR hunting some time if I wasnít something short as both of my other riles have 26 inch barrels.

So hereís what I was thinking of buying.

ē CZ bolt action 22. Would be kind of nice since I donít own a pretty looking gun and these have a nice look to them. Although my 10/22 has a bull barrel, the CZ would probably be much more accurate. On the other hand, do I really want to spend $800 on a gun and scope for something marginally more accurate that looks pretty?
ē Marlin guide gun 45-70. Thought a brush gun would be pretty nice, especially for up in Alaska in the thick alders. On the other hand if Iím hunting brush whatís wrong with my 870 slug gun? Also, when I go to Alaska, I typically walk thorough alders to get above the treeline. I can only carry one gun. Sure a guide gun might be better in the brush, but Iím only there for a short while till I get out in the open, hence I bring my Montana.
ē Smith and Wesson .357 PD. You know the super lightweight scandium one. I was thinking this would be great as I do a lot of backpacking in bear country. I usually lug my 629, but itís a bit too heavy for backpacking. If I apply for my CCW, thins would be a pretty easy thing to carry around as well. The downside is itís a bit on the weak side for bears and I would might find myself bringing the 629 instead.
ē A lightweight bolt action rifle like a Kimber or Remington 700 in a .260. The .300 mag is a bit much for deer and antilope, so I thought a lighter recoiling gun might be nice for hunting. Plus my other bolt actions are both 26 inch barrels. A 22 inch short action would be pretty nice. On the other hand, If I want short I can always use my AR or my slug gun.
ē H&K USP 40 compact. I can get a great deal on one of these through work. Also, might be a good idea to pick one up before the election. Plus I donít own an autoloading pistol yet. Not really sure what I would use it for thought since itís not practical for hunting and the Smith and Wesson PD would probably be more practical for CCW. I know the USP would be more effective, but the smaller and lighter the gun, the more likely Iím going to have it when I need it.
ē Thought about getting a Muzzleloader. Never really been that interested in muzzleloaders, but thought it woud be cool to have an extra few days of deer hunting. Really no reason to pick one up other than because I donít have one. With all the work that goes into cleaning not really sure how much I would use it. Besides in Wisconsin with a 9 day season plus two 4 day doe seasons Iím not really sure if I could sneak out of work for another one.

So there it is. I canít really see a need for another gun, but if I manage to come up with some extra cash, what would be the most practical? What would be the least similar to what I alredy own? The last thing I want to do is spend $1000 on a gun that I never use because I already have something similar.

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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 20, 2008, 11:44 AM
You definitely have a serious mental condition, if you cannot rationalize a new gun - seek help immediately! :eek: :p

Hoppy590
October 20, 2008, 12:08 PM
i gave up on rationalizing. im onto that childish "gimmie" stage.

i walk into a gun shop, and see new AK receivers or AR lowers, point and say "gimmie!" :p

MMCSRET
October 20, 2008, 12:46 PM
I found that the best way to curb this condition is to have enough cash in my pocket at all times to be able to buy anything that strikes me as I visit the asylums where firearms are housed, or at least lay it away with a healthy down payment. I never look for anything specific anymore, I walk around ready!!! That way when a particular piece jumps out at me I can react properly.

EShell
October 20, 2008, 01:03 PM
Your 10/22 is too heavy for rabbit hunting. I'd suggest getting a carbine style 10/22 immediately to fill this void and share your existing mags/ammo.

Just an M4 is really no good on it's own, and a nice free floated 20" heavy barreled AR changes everything, gives your a spare lower receiver assembly, just in case, and it will eat from the same mags. You might need to buy some decent ammo to fully enjoy it.

You 870 could probably use a high comb stock to be at it's best with a scoped slug barrel, but such stocks are a PIA to interchange, not to mention time repetitively wasted in the barrel swapping, and so it's really best to have two 870s. Also, you might be a little light in the HD shotgun department, so a nice 18" shot barreled version is nice to have, but then that disables your bird gun, unless you want to leave the house undefended when you go hunting, or want to swap barrels (!!) as soon as you get back. What if you one single 870 breaks?

Do you have a pocket pistol?

obxflea
October 20, 2008, 01:09 PM
Get a T/C Encore, awesome muzzleloader, AND you can get barrels for ANY caliber. Just a thought.. I am torn between a 28" .270 barrel and the 20" 460 S&W barrel.

Tarvis
October 20, 2008, 01:27 PM
If you can get a USP cheap through your work, I say do it. Also, a light weight 260 would make a great hike rifle.

Many would say "always get more," but let me play devils advocate for a moment; remember the quote "beware the man with one gun, for he probably knows how to use it." You don't have one gun, but if you have one good gun for each application you don't exactly need more. On the other hand, you can always think of another application you need a rifle/pistol for ;).

f4t9r
October 20, 2008, 01:31 PM
you need a 1911 in 45 or 38 super.
It is a law that everyone must have one. Look it up its under f4t9r laws.

sam700
October 20, 2008, 02:58 PM
Don't have a pocket pistol. I was thinking of one of those scandium .357's by Smith and Wesson. I could use the same pistol for both CCW and backpacking then.

308sc
October 20, 2008, 03:37 PM
hmm military surplus

Jst1mr
October 20, 2008, 04:02 PM
Your priorities should be:

#2: • A lightweight bolt action rifle like a Kimber or Remington 700 in a .260. The .300 mag is a bit much for deer and antilope, so I thought a lighter recoiling gun might be nice for hunting. Plus my other bolt actions are both 26 inch barrels. A 22 inch short action would be pretty nice. On the other hand, If I want short I can always use my AR or my slug gun.
You're on the right track here, for a #2 - .260 is a great light gun

#1: • Thought about getting a Muzzleloader. Never really been that interested in muzzleloaders, but thought it woud be cool to have an extra few days of deer hunting. Really no reason to pick one up other than because I don’t have one. With all the work that goes into cleaning not really sure how much I would use it. Besides in Wisconsin with a 9 day season plus two 4 day doe seasons I’m not really sure if I could sneak out of work for another one.
This is "the gun I never thought I needed, but now would not give up!" Hunting the muzzleloader season in WI is really neat and totally different than the other seasons - they're not as bad as you think for cleaning, and a blast to shoot!

rrflyer
October 20, 2008, 04:29 PM
you're missing a whole segement of the shooting sports.

You have no gaming equipment. I'd like to see a good quality 1911 or 2011 added to your lineup. That way IDPA and IPSC are open to you. And once you start there youll have plenty of stuff to purchase.

ds92
October 20, 2008, 04:38 PM
Because you're afraid that obama will outlaw all guns!

sam700
October 20, 2008, 06:08 PM
Amen to that, so maybe the answer is to get an auto loading pistol while I can. I definitely agree with Tarvis, I don't want to get something that is a duplicate of something I already have. Hate to spend the two weeks before hunting season agonizing over which gun to bring and then doubting my decision before the hunt.

On the other hand, a Muzzleloader would be about the most different thing from what I already own.

jjohnson
October 20, 2008, 11:37 PM
Oh, come on. Rationalizing doesn't have to require lots of real well founded logic or anything, anyway. :scrutiny: All you need is an excuse, and just looking at the election coming up, you have enough right there. No point in making this a hate thread at all - but it's fair to say (citing Clinton as an example) that things might go wrong soon, and you're only trying to stay ahead of the curve. Look no further.:banghead:

ultramag44
October 20, 2008, 11:40 PM
No need to rationalize anything, just one reason required to make that next purchase: "I wanna git it" . :cool:

cerberus65
October 20, 2008, 11:52 PM
I would say buy lots of ammo. The surest way to stumble across a great deal or to have the new gun bug bite you hard is to spend all your available cash. :evil:

Actually I don't really advocate blowing it all. Sock it away somewhere for when you feel the itch again. Then you'll have the satisfaction of getting something you really do want and won't have to go into hock to get it.

No sense buying something if you don't feel the need yet. Half the fun of getting a new gun is wanting it so, so bad. :-)

elmerfudd
October 21, 2008, 12:28 AM
A year or two ago I gave up on rationalizing myself. Truth is I don't do a lot of big game hunting because my wife does 90% of the cooking around my house and she doesn't like to cook wild game. So most of my hunting can be done with an airgun, a rimfire and a shotgun all of which I have more than one of. A lot of folks like to prepare for SHTF, and I've given it more thought than it probably deserves myself, but honestly, I'm 40 years old, a civilian and I'm not getting any younger. The chances of me fighting off waves of infantry, zombies or tweakers with an AK anytime in the future are pretty slim.

So, what am I left with? I just like shooting and guns a lot. For me that's enough. Heck, all that rationalizing was kind of silly anyway. Most of us probably don't need any more than 2 or three guns total to adequately deal with any pest control, hunting or defense needs we might face, but since we really like guns and shooting we come up with rationalizations for buying new guns that we don't really need. Once you admit that you don't have any need and you just want them you become a lot freer to pursue shooting for it's own sake.

The Deer Hunter
October 21, 2008, 12:30 AM
Get a GSG5. Its the German .22LR version of the MP5. Never shot one but they are cool for $500.

halfbreed808
October 21, 2008, 12:33 AM
:what:What rationalizing about getting a new gun?:what: WOW!!!

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 21, 2008, 12:34 AM
Get the lightweight .260 bolt rifle mountain gun first, along with the muzzleloader. This extends your deer season (to the high rut time I might add, during primitive season), and gives you a lightweight, light recoiling, great all-purpose rifle in the .260. Then add a CZ 452 later.

sammy
October 21, 2008, 12:36 AM
If I apply for my CCW, thins would be a pretty easy thing to carry around as well.

I stopped reading after I read this. I would give my left walnut for a CCW here in California. Get a CCW application and fill the sucker out tomorrow. Do it for me because I will never get one here in my godforsaken state.:fire:

Matt-J2
October 21, 2008, 12:47 AM
IIRC, WI Muzzleloader season is a little more post-rut than high rut, though it may be the transition period. It runs Dec 1-10 this year.

I'd get the muzzleloader. Switch one of your time-off periods from the normal gun hunt times to muzzleloader season.


*edit* I'm also a little lost. Lots of reference to WI, yet also to a CCW permit, which we don't have here. I suppose you could travel a lot and get an out of state CCW(MN, for example, is fairly popular for WI residents to obtain a CCW permit). Course, I may just be confused. Or, you may not actually be in WI, if so, ignore the first part about WI muzzleloader season. :)

MT GUNNY
October 21, 2008, 01:59 AM
One thing I might help with,

1 If you got the $ go for it.

Jst1mr
October 21, 2008, 03:01 AM
*edit* I'm also a little lost. Lots of reference to WI, yet also to a CCW permit, which we don't have here. I suppose you could travel a lot and get an out of state CCW(MN, for example, is fairly popular for WI residents to obtain a CCW permit). Course, I may just be confused. Or, you may not actually be in WI, if so, ignore the first part about WI muzzleloader season.

Who needs your stinkin' CCW when your beloved Governor has patted his hip during a speech and said "we don't need concealed carry here - if you want to carry a gun, carry it here"...

And often times, the "second" rut hits during ML season - when those does that weren't bred the first time come back into heat...

Ignition Override
October 21, 2008, 03:29 AM
What if some of your favorite semi-auto 'home defense' guns are made illegal within one or two years, by Senators Schumer, Nancy Pelosi ('Hanoi Jane wannabe'), Biden etc and their willing puppet on a string, Obamanation?

Would a duplicate rifle at least have a resale value at or above today's average purchase cost? How about an AR-15?
If I had the money, it would be to invest in about ten SKS, AKs or a combination, in order to spite the Marxists within the US Senate and as something to barter for extra ammo.

barry960
October 21, 2008, 04:12 AM
You should have all the rationalization you need with the upcoming elections to get an AK variant and some type of 308 battle rifle like an M14, L1A1 or AR10 and plenty of ammo and extra magazines for them and your existing AR. If not one of those, then maybe a pistol caliber carbine autoloader with extra clips.

lawboy
October 21, 2008, 03:18 PM
Sammy, I am in NorCal and I have a CCW. It is not that hard, all depends on what county you live in. Move. Hint: rural counties are best. Regards.

Shawnee
October 21, 2008, 03:32 PM
:confused::confused::confused:

I thought you said you already had plenty of guns ? :confused::confused:


Come to your senses, Man !

You don't have a...


Marlin 1894 in .357 or .44

Remington Model Seven in .260 Remington

Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 magnum

Thompson/Center Contender handgun (w/four dozen barrels)

Winchester 94 in 30/30

Marlin 336C in 30/30

Ruger #1 in .243

Browning BLR in 7mm/08

:banghead:


Get Busy, Dude ! :evil:

:cool:

JImbothefiveth
October 21, 2008, 04:47 PM
You need a .22 handgun, of course!

Threeband
October 21, 2008, 08:52 PM
Adopt a Garand from the CMP. Save it from Captain Crunch!

sam700
October 22, 2008, 09:21 PM
Regarding the CCW, I'm a Wisconsin Resident now, but am anticipating a move to MN within a year or so.

All good suggestions, I just thought of a new one. How bout a good quality airgun in the $300 range. I know RWS makes some good ones. Might be kind of fun for small game hunting and with the low cost of pellets, it would probably pay for its self in a couple of years.

sam700
October 22, 2008, 09:22 PM
Threebad, what does an Garand go for these days from CMP.

goldie
October 22, 2008, 09:43 PM
i am at a dead end,too.:confused: but i have every gun i want,unless i saw a good deal on a colt sauer rifle,no big emergency for it,or if something cought my eye at a good price in a gun shop, the only stone unturned is the bushmaster ocr or fn scar,if they ever come out...

surjimmy
October 22, 2008, 09:52 PM
None of the above are brush guns. You NEED the Marlin 45-70.

telomerase
October 22, 2008, 09:53 PM
Here, this will help:
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/fredgraph?chart_type=line&s[1][id]=BASE&s[1][range]=5yrs

It's the M1 money supply chart from the Fed, showing that they just printed us into a hyperinflation. It won't work it's way through the fractional-reserve system till next year, but your money is safer in guns than in dollars. Plus, you'll get some good deals from the starving unemployed around Christmastime, so enjoy! (Hope the starving were helpful enough to stock up on .260, though, it's kind of scarce).

Oh, and you might want to get some good gas and bio protection stuff... the .gov may feel the need for more distraction pretty soon. They certainly don't want the blame for all this monetary theft falling where it belongs :uhoh:

telomerase
October 22, 2008, 09:55 PM
Actually, you might buy .22s for your younger relatives. That could be a good investment... gun ownership tends to make people vote better for the rest of their life.

Marlin 45 carbine
October 22, 2008, 09:56 PM
IMO you should take a break from fooling around w/all firearms for awhile.
you should send them to me for safe-keeping.:D

alaskanativeson
October 23, 2008, 12:14 AM
You don't have a 1911-type .45 Auto? What's wrong with you? Get with it!

That .357 would be money well spent. The .357 is kind of like the 30-06 of pistol cartridges: It'll do damned near everything.

A bolt action .260 would be a good choice, but I see one empty space in your lineup: you don't have an MBR. Your AR15 is a fine carbine, but a main battle rifle is a great thing to have. I also whole-heartedly support your caliber choice on the .260, so why not satisfy both at the same time (http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/category.aspx?id=8)? The DPMS in .260 is a great gun.

moooose102
October 23, 2008, 09:26 AM
as i count it, you only have six guns, the MINIMUM number of guns is 10! START BUYING!!!

qajaq59
October 23, 2008, 09:33 AM
Oh oh, I didn't see a Savage 99 on your list. That's a MUST have. :evil:

Threeband
October 23, 2008, 10:40 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but Sam700 asked:

Threeband, what does an Garand go for these days from CMP.

Service Grade is $595. (probably the best all-around choice. Good shooter, may have a replacement stock. Mine does.)

Field Grade is $495 (Might be the best deal: should be a good shooter, but a little rough. Maybe a good, easy project gun?)

Correct Grade $950 or $975 (Very hoity-toity, perhaps a bit over priced. Bound to be very nice, with a GI stock that may still be dinged and gouged- mine is, a bit.)

Anyway, check it out for yourself:

http://www.thecmp.org/m1garand.htm

Note, their descriptions tend toward the worst case. Your rifle is likely to be better than what they describe.


We now return to the legitimate thread.


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N3810F
October 24, 2008, 12:38 AM
Sam,
Are you a pilot by chance? I've seen the USP offer for pilots, in fact a few of my friends have done that. Only 'problem' is the law enforcement versions don't have the safety... if you mind.

I was interested in that as well, hard to pass up such a deal... till I shot one and didn't like the trigger feel.

Good luck!

maddog1775
October 24, 2008, 06:37 AM
You need a 1911. Its the law.

You should also get an AK. After all the spare parts dry up for your other guns because the left-wingers finally managed to ban everything, the AK will still be functional enough to pass on to your grandchildren.

1832
October 24, 2008, 09:28 AM
Trying to rationalize the need for another gun is like trying to rationalize the need for ice cream. Sometimes, when I'm in a gun store, I revert to being a 6-year old tugging on mom's coat and screaming "I want it!!"

sam700
October 24, 2008, 11:40 PM
N3810F, you're correct, that's the discount I'm after. How much of a hassle was it for you're friends to get the discount?

N3810F
October 26, 2008, 11:48 PM
Sam,
It wasn't difficult at all. He just made copy of both sides of his certificate and a copy of his company 'Aircrew' ID badge... filled out the form and sent it all in to H&K. Took about 4 weeks to get it I believe.

http://www.capapilots.org/pdf/Pilot_Pistol_Offer.pdf] (http://www.capapilots.org/pdf/Pilot_Pistol_Offer.pdf)

good luck!

-v-
October 27, 2008, 12:41 AM
I see no Com-Block weapons. You need either a:

1) AK-47-pattern rifle, because your AR-15's gas system is unreliable while jam-packed full of sand, crud, dried blood, and animal parts.

2) 7.62x39 AR-15 rifle, because 5.56x45 doesn't penetrate obstacles as well as 7.62x39, it is 2x as expensive as 7.62x39 and an AK is less accurate then an AR-15

3) A Vz-58, because AK-47 is heavy and inaccurate, the 7.62x39 AR-15 needs cleaning, and you need an accurate reliable com-block chambered rifle.

4) An SKS, because, you have no SKS, what's wrong with you anyway? :P

5) Nothing scares anti-gunners more then the "Автомат Калашнйкова Модел-1947."

jhansman
October 27, 2008, 01:09 AM
Dude, get the CZ452. It will give you an appreciation for rimfire your 10/22 never can.

northwestneighbor
October 27, 2008, 02:09 AM
You should definitely buy some evil weapons while you can. Get a Glock 17 and a 33 rd mag + 17 rders. Maybe a WASR-10/63 or a Saiga and 30 rders. Or get a backup AR (or stock up on mags for the one you already have).

It sounds like you've forgotten one of the fundamental rules of shooting and owning rifles: 2 is 1, 1 is none. And frankly, I don't know how you sleep at night without a pair of AKs. :D

sam700
October 28, 2008, 10:05 PM
Good suggestions, keep them coming. Along the lines of a brush gun, I was wondering about a Ruger M77 scout rifle in either .338 federal or .308 win? Seems like it would make a great brush gun. You think it would be more practial or less than a Marlin Guide gun in 45-70 out to 200 yards. Mostly used for whitetail, but I might take it elk or moose hunting in the thicker stuff too.

Maybe the first priority would be to get the pistol though while I can.

sam700
October 28, 2008, 10:07 PM
V is probably right that the AK will probably be the first rifle to go and I should get one while I can.

jhansman
October 28, 2008, 10:11 PM
Justify, schmusitfy. I buy things because I want them. Can't always afford them, but I stopped trying to rationalize buying things I lay in bed a night and fantasize about (no, not women; too old for that). I know my actions may sound rash and foolhardy. Still, there is a .22LR lever gun out there with my name on it, somewhere.

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