New ATF 4473 Form


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BayouBocephus
October 21, 2008, 02:06 PM
Does anybody know how much is changed in this new 4473 form?
Anymore info that must be given...maybe a vial of blood?;)

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Ala Dan
October 21, 2008, 02:14 PM
Briefly looking the new 4473 form over, I find that the questionaire
part is answered by a check mark in the appropriate block; instead
of writing YES or NO. Also, on the second page there is a blank for
verification of address; in case the address differs from the buyers
picture ID. The state of residence question has been moved to the
bottom of page #1.

*New 4473's must be in use by Nov. 15th~!

hso
October 21, 2008, 02:29 PM
Take a look and tell us if it's any different from when you saw it last.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/

Ala Dan
October 21, 2008, 03:43 PM
Yes, also the new 4473 form is YELLOW in color, once again~!

McCain-Palin on Nov. 4th~!

Flame Red
October 21, 2008, 03:46 PM
Nice to be able to call it a 'Yellow Sheet' again.

jdh
October 21, 2008, 03:52 PM
It is in booklet form with perforated edges so it will be easy for the pages to come apart.

hksw
October 21, 2008, 09:53 PM
Also, on the second page there is a blank for
verification of address; in case the address differs from the buyers
picture ID.

Is that to be filled by the buyer or the dealer?

Griz44
October 21, 2008, 09:57 PM
Got my new forms in the mail a few days ago. I like the checkboxes.
I like the yellow color.
The first time I used one was Saturday, the buyer screwed up 2 of them. He said the changes threw him off.

hankdatank1362
October 21, 2008, 11:09 PM
I saw a sample of the new one today. I figured someone would have posted it already.

fal 4 me
October 22, 2008, 01:07 AM
Take a look and tell us if it's any different from when you saw it last.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/

Is that the new form? It doesn't look like Ala Dan said it should, the yes and no for the questionaire is still there, plus the (10-2001) on the bottom of the page leads me to believe that the form was last revised in October 2001, could be wrong on that though. Could be the ATF doesn't have a new sample on their web page yet.

ArmedBear
October 22, 2008, 01:09 AM
the buyer screwed up 2 of them. He said the changes threw him off.

Ah, the buyer who has filled out so many 4473's, he has the form committed to memory. That's a buyer you want to keep around.:)

Kind of Blued
October 22, 2008, 01:20 AM
Wow. Speak of the devil.

This occured yesterday.

Gun store employee: "Slow down buddy. You'll have to start over if you mess anything up."

Me: "Did they change the form?"

Employee: "No, but you're going really fast."

Me: "I'll be ok."

freakshow10mm
October 22, 2008, 01:27 AM
I got mine in today. I like it.

SteelyNirvana
October 22, 2008, 01:28 AM
"Slow down buddy. You'll have to start over if you mess anything up."


:evil:I always get that. Once you fill out the form a few times you know what to do. Most places are surprised that I know to not to use abbreviations and spell out everything.

freakshow10mm
October 22, 2008, 02:13 AM
It doesn't matter if you abbreviate or not. There is nothing in any ruling, case law, or statute that says you can't.

SteelyNirvana
October 22, 2008, 04:08 PM
It doesn't matter if you abbreviate or not. There is nothing in any ruling, case law, or statute that says you can't.

When I first started making this my hobby, nearly every pawn shop/gun shop I went to here in NC said that the ATF doesn't like to see abbreviations and to spell everything out. Maybe they were misinformed:confused:

ffxmike
October 22, 2008, 04:51 PM
Take a look and tell us if it's any different from when you saw it last.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/

Actually, I think the new one is here...your link looks like the old one still

http://www.atf.gov/press/2008press/100308f4473_pt1_aug2008-sample-rev.pdf

The bottom of the page on the one I linked shows a revised date of aug 2008.

armoredman
October 22, 2008, 04:56 PM
Didn't catch the important change? Now it's Long Gun/Handgun/Reciever for the NICS check. Been told ALL recievers are to be considered handguns for purchase age purposes - no more buying stripped AR recievers if you're under 21, and they wanna know WHO is buying them...

Jorg Nysgerrig
October 22, 2008, 05:07 PM
they wanna know WHO is buying them...

OMG! Big Brother!! :rolleyes:

Hoplophile
October 22, 2008, 06:24 PM
Holy hell, no more stripped AR lowers under 21? Bloody hell, BEING 19 SUCKS. (Sometimes).

I really was considering buying one. Like, this week.

CypherNinja
October 22, 2008, 08:55 PM
Holy hell, no more stripped AR lowers under 21? Bloody hell, BEING 19 SUCKS. (Sometimes).

I really was considering buying one. Like, this week.

Then go get it. The new forms haven't taken effect yet. ;)

Or get one from a private sale, since this only applies to dealers.

freakshow10mm
October 23, 2008, 12:29 AM
Holy hell, no more stripped AR lowers under 21?

They already are restricted. Read the law. Receivers cannot be sold to people 18-20yo. Period. This is not a cutoff date, this is a law that has been in place for a few years now.

922(b)(1)

(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed
manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or
deliver -
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the
licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than
eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is
other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or
rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable
cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age;

Since the dealer must verify their ID and DOB via government issued ID card, they cannot claim "I didn't know".

Been in place for almost 20 years.

The new forms haven't taken effect yet.
As soon as you get them, your old forms are obsolete. I got my new forms yesterday. I cannot use the old forms now. They are obsolete.

Walkalong
October 23, 2008, 08:55 AM
I am going to pick up a complete AR lower tomorrow or Monday, depending on how fast it ships. I am looking forward to seeing the new form, if my FFL guy has them that is. I started to get a stripped lower as well, but funds dictate I wait.

22-rimfire
October 23, 2008, 02:13 PM
I filled out the old form yesterday. I do like the boxes to check rather than answering "Yes or No" for item 11. I get paranoid about spelling and so forth. I want to put "Y or N" rather then spell them out each time.

Question 18. "Since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include ones that can only be made into a long gun, is a "firearm other than a shotgun or rifle," it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21."

Interesting. Is this new?

freakshow10mm
October 23, 2008, 02:45 PM
Nope, like I said previously, it's been in place for almost 20 years.

freakshow10mm
October 23, 2008, 02:47 PM
When I first started making this my hobby, nearly every pawn shop/gun shop I went to here in NC said that the ATF doesn't like to see abbreviations and to spell everything out.
They might not like it, but there is not a damn thing they can do about it. There is no law that states it must be spelled out. The ATF cannot force you to make your customers spell things out.

22-rimfire
October 23, 2008, 05:43 PM
Does anyone know what the "Unique Personal Identification Number" (UPIN) which is Question No. 9?

I did a google search on this and apparently it is a number issued by FBI for folks who are consistantly delayed in getting NICs approval. It appears to be not something brand new. I just never noticed it before on the 4473 form. Could be because I'm not a FFL dealer that I never read every single line on the form.??

freakshow10mm
October 23, 2008, 08:11 PM
The UPIN is a file number the FBI can keep on you to expedite your BG checks. I don't know of many people that have this.

rob b
October 23, 2008, 08:30 PM
I have a upin # sometimes my BC went right thru sometimes it delayed
got tired of the delays so I filed for one and got it over 5 months ago
but I also have a C&R license and MD collector status never could understand the delays
and I bought this baby today and filled out the new 4473 form for it
seems the new form was faster

JeffDilla
October 23, 2008, 09:32 PM
So it says putting your Social security number is optional, but helps with misidentification. Do you guys usually put yours or choose not to?

freakshow10mm
October 24, 2008, 12:08 AM
I do. There's a guy with same F/M/L born on the same day in the same city as myself. He's wanted in NC and PA for murder. I always get delayed, they send me straight over to someone else, then I pass. The first search is a name check. After that they run the SSN.

JeffDilla
October 24, 2008, 07:52 AM
Well, I can't blame you at all there.

freakshow10mm
October 24, 2008, 11:04 AM
Funny a guy that has an FFL business, had a few security jobs that needed finger printing for applying, two carry permits, ran prints for the FFL application, fingerprints ran when I started cop school, then again when I transferred schools, still gets delayed on NICS checks.

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