[Nando Aqui]

Went to the gun shop yesterday, and learned that 'lots' of people are looking to purchase handguns. Surpsirse, surprise! However, and as is understandable, there are a lot of details that need to be worked out. Although the bill is 15+ pages long, not all details are covered.

Questions:
For those states who have had CCW for sometime and have gotten over the initial bumps of implementation:
- Who does the training?
- How long is the required training?
- Who issues the licenses?
- The license in Missouri is supposed to cost $100 and then $50 for renewal. How much does it cost elsewhere?
- Any other application, acquisition, issuance, renewal, etc., details you care to share would be welcome.
Thanks-

Alex

[El Tejon]

Nando, so this is like a survey question? O.K., well, Indiana, we've had our statute for almost 70 years. To answer your questions:

•Training: none;
•License issued by Indiana State Police;
•$25 every 4 years.

[Shooter 2.5]

Texas

At your local gun range from a state licensed instuctor.

About 12 hours which includes live scored fire. Six hours for the renewal inclucing the live scored fire.

175? dollars and 75 for the renewal.

A piece of plastic shouldn't cost that much. It's the reason so few people have a license.

There are very few people in Texas who carry a gun. I doubt one percent of the permit holders actually carry on a regular basis. Most have the gun in their car.

[John Ross]

"Although the bill is 15+ pages long, not all details are covered."

What details of the MO bill do you think are not covered? I'm pretty familiar with it--ask away.

JR

[Gray Peterson]

Oregon:

- Who does the training?

Any DPSST certified or NRA certified instructor can do it.

- How long is the required training?

It depends. Usually 2 to 3 hours.

- Who issues the licenses?

Sheriff's Department of the county of residence, or if you're a resident of WA, CA, NV, or ID, any county.

- The license in Missouri is supposed to cost $100 and then $50 for renewal. How much does it cost elsewhere?

$65 on initial application, $50 on renewal

- Any other application, acquisition, issuance, renewal, etc., details you care to share would be welcome.

Oregon is a shall-issue state for resident, and may-issue state for contigious non-residents, and by law, there's no provision for the issuance of licenses to those who do not live in Contigious states.

The license is valid for 4 years. Like Virginia, possession of a CHL exempts the holders of such licenses from local and county ordinances against open carry and other restrictions.

The licenses have photo's and identifying information on it. The form of the license, though substantially similar, are not uniform. Each county looks different. My CHL from Washington County looks well done, whereas Clackamas County looks almost like a laminated BlockBuster card with a photo.

The only places which are banned from carry are secure areas of airports, federal property, and state courthouses.

The training requirement does not require firing a handgun, only a certification that you can handle a firearm safely by an NRA and DPSST certified instructor.

You must also notify your sheriff of residence once you move in state within 30 days to reissue your license.

Washington:

- Who does the training?

There is no training requirement in Washington law.

- How long is the required training?

Again, there's no training requirement.

- Who issues the licenses?

If you live in a city, you have a choice of going to either your local PD, or your county sheriff. If you live in unincorporated county area, you have to go to the Sheriff. If you are not a resident of Washington State, you can go to any PD or Sheriff to apply.

- The license in Missouri is supposed to cost $100 and then $50 for renewal. How much does it cost elsewhere?

60 dollars for initial, 32 for renewal.

- Any other application, acquisition, issuance, renewal, etc., details you care to share would be welcome.

The licenses last 5 years. There is no photo on the licenses, presumably due to the age of the statute (shall-issue CCW was put into law in 1961). My understanding was that years ago, the Washington CPL's were various sizes depending on jurisdiction, but were very large, like Massachusetts LTC large.

However, the Department of Licensing apparently standardized the permits. They are, however, flimsy. It's basically a piece of hard paper that you fold to make wallet size. Would recommend that you laminate it with 10 mil laminate card.

You cannot carry in a school (K-12), or a bar, or an outdoor music festival, or a courthouse or municipal complex (though they're required to have gun check areas for you to put your gun away while doing your business).

You are not required to change your address or notify anyone when you change your address no matter where you are. When you renew, your new address will be listed on the renewal CPL.

Florida:

- Who does the training?

Any DOACS or NRA certified instructor can do the training.

- How long is the required training?

2 to 3 hours minimum.

- Who issues the licenses?

Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (used to be Department of State)

- The license in Missouri is supposed to cost $100 and then $50 for renewal. How much does it cost elsewhere?

$117 ($75 dollar app fee plus $42 fingerprinting fee), $65 for renewal for residents, $65 plus $42 fingerprint fee for non-residents (total $107)

- Any other application, acquisition, issuance, renewal, etc., details you care to share would be welcome.

Florida issues permits to any resident of the US. The license lasts 5 years. Florida's permits are "Concealed Weapon or Firearm Licenses", which means you can also carry knives, swords, and such concealed on your person, unlike most states where only handguns are exempted from CCW charges with a permit.

Florida's also a very valuable state for reciprocity. Ken Wilkinson, the Reciprocity Specialist at the DOACS, is very learned, keeps an eye on legislative developments at Packing.org and other states a lot, and actively seeks recognition with other states. Florida permits are recognized in 23 states (soon to be 24 with Missouri).

(Before any of you folks complain that I have too many states and stepping on anyone's toes, I have permits in both Oregon and Washington, and Florida was my state of residence for 13 years before moving to the Pacific Northwest).

[Nando Aqui]

I raised the issue because I asked several people Saturday (gun shop owners and friend LEO's) questions such as, "where and when may I enroll for classes, who will the instructors be, about how much will the classes cost, how long will they last, where do I apply for a license, etc., all replied the same way: "We don't know yet," or "no one knows yet for sure." As far as the duration of the classes, they said that the minimum is eight hours, but that they could be any duration beyond that.

Obviously, there are a lot of things yet to work out, which I think is understandable. So I just wondered how other states do it. That's all.

Alex

[Standing Wolf]

Frankly, I think Vermont and Alaska handle the carrying of concealed firearms most sensibly: if you legitimately own it, you can carry it.

I've never seen anything to the contrary in the Second Amendment.

[John Ross]

Alex: "where and when may I enroll for classes, who will the instructors be, about how much will the classes cost, how long will they last,"

These are questions asked of the instructors, not the government.

I am giving classes already.

Go to:

http://www.john-ross.net/missouri_ccw.htm

for details.

As to where to apply, it's the sheriff's office in whatever county you live in, starting around Oct. 10.

JR

[Nando Aqui]

John,

I hadn't read your last message - Thanks!

I will e-mail you this evening -

Alex

[F4GIB]

Minnesota.

Check out www.firearmsinstructors.biz

[Michael_2112]

Here are the answers to your questions:

- Who does the training?

No training is required.

- How long is the required training?

N/A

- Who issues the licenses?

County Sheriff

- The license in Missouri is supposed to cost $100 and then $50 for renewal. How much does it cost elsewhere?

$19 for 5 years

Also very few restrictions as to where you cannot carry.

~Mike

[XenaduKhan]

That is not quite right for Texas:

First timer, 10 hour class. I paid $125, and that included my written test, passport photos, fingerprints, notarized forms, etc. Also practice time and firing test. Basically at the ten hour mark I walked out the door with a complete packet ready to mail.

Renew classes I think they charge $70 or so, and it also includes everything. A five hour class.


The actual license costs $140 for the first four years and $70 for each four year period thereafter.


You can do all the legwork yourself by getting a free starter packet from the DPS, but why bother? You will have to pay for classroom instruction anyway to take the written test and proficiency test. Better to just get it all done in one shot.

[Ringer]

Who does the training?
Mostly NRA instructors at local gun shops/ranges. Cost $75 to $175.

How long is the required training?
8 hours minimum, including 3 on shooting range.

Who issues the licenses?
The Sheriffs office in your county of residence. You pay and turn in your application to the county clerk first then take your receipt to Sheriffs office and get fingerprinted.

How much does it cost elsewhere?
$105, good for 5 years.

Other details.
Here you have to provide two passport size photos with your app. Takes anywhere from 6 weeks to 6 months, but 2 to 3 is most common I think. Cost to renew is the same as initial fee of $105.