mauser action into another gun


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tbogh
October 21, 2008, 10:51 PM
this might be a long shot, but would it be possible to put a mauser action into another rifle? i was thinking of using like a savage or stevens rifle. would this be easier and or cheaper than building a rifle around a mauser action? please let me know if its dumb, any advice is greatly appreciated.

travis

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dirtyjim
October 21, 2008, 11:10 PM
it would be cheaper & easier to build a mauser actioned sporter than buying a savage or stevens rifle & trying to adapt the barrel & stock from it to the mauser action. a savage barrel can be rethreaded for a turk k kale 98 that has small ring threads & you could re-bed the savage stock but it would not be cheaper or easier.
most will say it a dumb question but you have to start somewhere.

NavyGuy
October 25, 2008, 02:44 AM
Why not just buy and shoot either the mauser or the savage/stevens unaltered?

Custom mausers CAN cost a lot of money. It used to be a cheap route to go for a good sporter, it still can be, but there are better alternatives. You will spend less money just buying what you want off the shelf. If you want a mauser style action, just buy a Remington 700.

R.W.Dale
October 25, 2008, 04:11 AM
Putting things into perspective,

The mauser action IS the rifle.

Your asking to do something akin to installing a Chevrolet truck cab, frame and motor into a Ford

MachIVshooter
October 25, 2008, 04:25 AM
If you want a mauser style action, just buy a Remington 700.

M700's don't have a Mauser action. Push-feed, plunger extractor.

R.W.Dale
October 25, 2008, 04:42 AM
Quote:
If you want a mauser style action, just buy a Remington 700.
M700's don't have a Mauser action. Push-feed, plunger extractor.


Remington pretty much invented the NONmauser turnbolt action

shinz
October 25, 2008, 06:23 AM
Goody, time for a scrap :D. :D
IMHO, the Rem 700 is a Mauser style action in that it has two forward locking lugs, uses the bolt handle base to supply primary extraction camming, has a generally mauser style magazine, albeit with a separate mag box. In fact it shares more in common with a mauser action than not, two things it doesn't share with its mauser forebear is the nonrotataing extractor & blade ejector, both of which contribute to its being push feed rather than CRF. I guess I should also include the cylindrical action body & the non integral recoil lug, but in essence the 700 action is ceratinly mauser inspired.Hard to say whether it is refined or simply cheapened.
Steve

rcmodel
October 25, 2008, 01:19 PM
would this be easier and or cheaper than building a rifle around a mauser action?No.

Barrel threads are specific to the type of action. A Stevens or Savage barrel would not fit a Mauser without cutting it off and re-threading and rechambering it.

Stocks are inletted and bedded to a particular type of action when they are made.

Nothing on a Mauser action would be in the right place to fit in a stock inletted for a Stevens or Savage action.

Were you to use a Savage stock on a Mauser barreled action, you would almost have to fill the stock with glass bedding compound and start over from scratch by relocating the recoil lug recess, magazine box cut-out, bolt handle cut, action screw holes, and other stuff.

When you got done, you would have a cobbled up mess that looked like a giant patch job, which it would be.

rcmodel

dirtyjim
October 25, 2008, 10:13 PM
Remington pretty much invented the NONmauser turnbolt action
take a look at the bolt of a gew1888 comission rifle.
a rem 700's bolt is very similar. the push feed action was around long before remington made them

Sunray
October 25, 2008, 10:40 PM
"...M700's don't have a Mauser action..." The Win 70 is based on the Mauser though.
"...action into another rifle?..." You wouldn't. You build a rifle around the action, not the action around a rifle. In any case, building a rifle is not an inexpensive proposition.

Atla
October 25, 2008, 10:44 PM
Unless you're doing the work yourself, and you got the action for next to nothing, you'll spend more sporterizing than buying a new gun outright at a gunshow.

For instance, you're looking between $10-20 per hole to be drilled/tapped. $40-55 for cut/recrown. $75ish for a bent bolt handle to be welded on. Say $100ish for a new finish...

It stacks up.

tbogh
October 25, 2008, 11:16 PM
thanks for the input. it was just an idea. i don't mean to completely change the subject, but how is the savage 16, say in a .308? and i read somewhere that the barrel nut (not sure what it is) allows a person to change barrels chambered in another caliber easily, i was wondering what that is about. sorry for all the probably dumb questions, but i'm new to the world of rifles.

dmazur
October 26, 2008, 01:04 AM
Even though I don't own a Savage, I came close. During my research, I believe I stumbled over the answer to this question.

(You may need to look up "Headspace" in the THR Library)

For a conventional rifle (Winchester, Remington, etc.) the barrel is threaded to match and then screwed into the end of the receiver, torqued correctly, then the chamber (which was cut deliberately short) is reamed to length for correct headspace. This all requires a lot of tools, and usually the services of a gunsmith (unless you are a machinist...)

For a Savage, the barrel is attached to the threaded receiver with a barrel lock nut. Basically, the barrel can be adjusted until headspace gauges show you have the correct headspace. No machine work. This is handy not only for changing calibers, but for replacing a worn-out barrel in the same caliber.

Provided the action length is the same (such as .308 and .243) and the bolt face is the same, changing calibers can be as simple as changing barrels. I believe you can get into magazine feed problems if you get too far afield in cartridge dimensions.

Someone who has actually done a Savage barrel change may have a better explanation, but I think what I've related is the heart of the matter.

IndianaBoy
October 26, 2008, 01:44 AM
If you are new to the world of rifles you would be best served by buying a savage rifle chambered in 223, put some good glass on it, and shoot it a lot with an emphasis on good shooting.


Worry about barrel swaps much later.

MachIVshooter
October 26, 2008, 12:30 PM
take a look at the bolt of a gew1888 comission rifle.
a rem 700's bolt is very similar. the push feed action was around long before remington made them

The Comission rifle is not a Mauser either. You have essentially likened the M700 to the Carcano.

Twig
October 26, 2008, 02:46 PM
http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_798/
Looks like a Mauser to me

R.W.Dale
October 26, 2008, 03:32 PM
http://www.remington.com/products/fi...les/model_798/
Looks like a Mauser to me

Nice try but first off a 798 isn't a 700

Secondly, It may have remington stamped on the BBL, but they had nothing to do with production.

The 798 is a rebranded Zastava Mauser that's made in the Czech Republic

Twig
October 26, 2008, 03:39 PM
sorry
I want to try one though the 799 that is the 7.62x39 looks fun.

R.W.Dale
October 26, 2008, 04:13 PM
sorry
I want to try one though the 799 that is the 7.62x39 looks fun.

Personally I have yet to handle one, But many who have report poor fit and finish. For the price the CZ527 is probably the better bet for only slightly more $$$

Another Mauser action might I add.

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