LMT or POF


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Cougfan2
October 22, 2008, 07:02 PM
Hi gang, I've been thinking seriously about getting a piston AR and have heard both good and bad about LMT and POF. The bad mostly regarding some of their early offerings. Any input anyone would have on either of these platforms would be appreciated, but especially from anyone who is familiar with or has shot both.

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RockyMtnTactical
October 22, 2008, 07:07 PM
Why you set on a piston?

Cougfan2
October 22, 2008, 07:16 PM
RockMtnTactical I already have two gas impingement AR's and have heard that the piston uppers are more reliable in environments where it is difficult to adequately clean a weapon. What I have heard is you end up with a rifle with the reliability of an AK and the accuracy of an AR. The only down side I've heard is they are heavier. Not having any first hand experience with piston systems, I was curious to get input from someone who has.

possum
October 22, 2008, 09:06 PM
wait until the ones from barret come out. i was at a class in tennessee not to long ago and met drew irwin who works for barrett the 5.56 piston upper should be comming out soon. stay away from the other makers, you can't get an h&k so get the barrett, i am sure that you will be glad that you did.

it never seems to amaze me the amount of effort and time, and money that people put into making an ar into an ak.:banghead:

Erik
October 23, 2008, 12:12 AM
Well... LMT is generally considered a top tier manufacturer. So, I;m not too sure about the necessity of having to wait.

Tarvis
October 23, 2008, 12:17 AM
Why don't you get an XCR?

SubSolar
October 23, 2008, 06:08 AM
What I have heard is you end up with a rifle with the reliability of an AK and the accuracy of an AR. The only down side I've heard is they are heavier.

You can always get a Sig 556, that's what I'm looking at.

Golden Hound
October 23, 2008, 07:18 AM
Pakistan Ordnance Factory makes AR uppers?! That's news to me. Do they have a protective coating of tar on the inside? If these are the same high quality we have come to expect from POF's surplus .308 ammunition, then I say GO FOR IT!!

rangerruck
October 23, 2008, 12:05 PM
take one of your ar's, and put this in it...
http://www.gaspiston.com/

gvnwst
October 23, 2008, 12:22 PM
I have a POF AR, and absolutly love it. Not sure about LMT's, but if the election go's bad, it may not be out in time...
Then again, the waiting list on POF's is pretty big. And even bigger for the LMT, on pre-order i have heard. mine took about 3 months to arrive.

Why don't you get an XCR?

with the XCR, you cannot use AR uppers. Yes, i know that it is multi caliber interchangeable, but the AR has it beat in that respect.

HorseSoldier
October 23, 2008, 03:19 PM
Google the ADC PD15. It's some good write ups on M4carbine.net and I believe Arnold (the gunsmith who builds them) is a member over there. He's supposed to be ramping up for larger scale production of his gas piston design. Having seen it and fired it on a couple of occasions, it seems to be a first rate design (based on the FAL, though with some notable innovations), and the people who've had prototypes for a while and run them hard report great reliability and durability.

ny32182
October 23, 2008, 03:35 PM
I'd get the LMT...

The POF is an AR15+piston.

The LMT piston MRP is as close to a SCARspec rifle as you will ever get in something that is loosley based on an AR15. Monolithic railed upper, QD barrels/caliber swaps, piston operation... the only major capability missing is a fully adjustable stock.

meef
October 23, 2008, 04:52 PM
take one of your ar's, and put this in it...
http://www.gaspiston.com/Well..... that might be a bit difficult being as how on the page they state:

"SALES RESTRICTED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT MILITARY ONLY!"

and....

"Sorry, Military and Law Enforcement Sales Only at this time."

Narrows your options down a bit if you don't currently belong to the club.

:cool:

Cougfan2
October 23, 2008, 05:01 PM
I had looked at the info on the Osprey system and it looks pretty impressive, but they don't seem to be to interested in making it readily available outside of the LE and military communities.

ParaElite
October 24, 2008, 04:50 AM
POF piston system is a separate entity from the Pakistan Ordinance Factory or whatever.
Everytime I attend a gunshow at Market Hall in Dallas, Texas, I see POFs lining the counters - what waiting period? I went with the POF and have not regretted it yet. I also have an LMT and Colt 6920 - direct impingement rifles are a PITA to clean this is from years in the military. By all means go to sites like M4Carbine.net to look at the LMT Piston system.

Golden Hound
October 24, 2008, 05:55 AM
I was joking!!!

gvnwst
October 24, 2008, 09:55 AM
what waiting period?

the one you have when you order striat from POF with a FFL.

The POF is an AR15+piston.

The LMT piston MRP is as close to a SCARspec rifle as you will ever get in something that is loosley based on an AR15. Monolithic railed upper, QD barrels/caliber swaps, piston operation...

All the LMT has over the POF is a QD barrell system. POF has a rail system that is almost as good as the monolithic, and pratically nothing but the barrel is standard on the POF upper. They both use standard AR lowers which is good.

:)

ParaElite
October 25, 2008, 05:21 AM
Who the heck orders straight from the manufacturer? Especially, when the stuff is available elsewhere - like a gunshow, pay the tax and don't wait forever ;-) Or the internet if you don't want to pay the tax!

DaveInFloweryBranchGA
October 25, 2008, 08:09 AM
Before I'd get a piston upper for an AR15, I'd go do some reading about problems related to them over at AR15.com.

Regards,

Dave

gvnwst
October 25, 2008, 10:08 AM
Who the heck orders straight from the manufacturer?

Me. I get it a few hundrad cheaer than buying from elsewhere (i have a friend who is a FFL holder, so no markup for me)

Before I'd get a piston upper for an AR15, I'd go do some reading about problems related to them over at AR15.com

What problems? Mine has none whatsoever.

LTB15J
October 25, 2008, 10:58 AM
so you want a more reliable AR15, at the cost of introducing more parts that could potentially fail?

gas pistons do not make up for lack of cleaning! take care of your rifle and your rifle will take care of you

AR15's and m16's hardly need any maintenance, outside the occasional bolt carrier cleaning and maybe replace a gas tube every 50,000 rounds. marines dont need gas pistons, why should you?

oef24
October 27, 2008, 12:54 AM
Cougfan2,

I have a few POF and LWRC gas piston rifles. I love both of them and can't say that one is better than the other. I do prefer to shoot them over my other DI rifles. I have not had a chance to shoot a LMT so I can only speak for POF and LWRC. I am really impressed with the coatings and barrel hardness that POF does. When they say their rifles run dry, then mean bone dry without a drop of oil.

If you have any technical questions or are ready to pull the trigger and want it fast (ie: elections around the corner), check out www.avguns.com. Give them a call as they have POF and LWRC gas piston rifles, uppers, lowers and accessories in stock ready to go. I have bought all my gas piston rifles from them because they are the largest stocking dealer for both brands. Good luck with your decision.

speedball
October 27, 2008, 01:59 AM
If you are in the market for a piston ar, I would sugest looking at the LWRC in addition to the POF and LMT. I have done a lot of shooting with an early POF and a LWRC and both work well. I do enjoy the ease of cleaning as well. Good luck.

Beagle-zebub
October 27, 2008, 03:05 AM
marines dont need gas pistons, why should you?

Word.

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