Help me understand this gun shop practice.


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JamesMcD
October 25, 2008, 02:27 PM
I went to a reputable local gun shop today, and there was a Browning 1910 in the display case which caught my eye. The tag read "$150 (missing magazine)". My question is: If magazines for this gun are available (such as @ Bob's Gun Parts online, for $35), why doesn't the shop buy one and sell the gun complete? It seems like they would make more money this way.

This may be a stupid question, but I'm sort of a gun neophyte and I just thought this was odd.

-James

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rcmodel
October 25, 2008, 02:31 PM
They probably only gave some poor slob 25 bucks for it on a trade, and if they can make $125 profit without turning a tap, they will.

Buying used mags or aftermarket mags means someone is going to have to make it work with them, and time is money. If they sell it without a mag, it's somebody else's problem getting it to work.

rcmodel

Jaybird78
October 25, 2008, 02:32 PM
I've always wondered why they don't give you a box or two of free ammo with a purchase. Seriously, you need it to fire.......right?

It's used and "as is", buy or don't buy, it's up to you. Maybe the shop is waiting for the one customer that has the mag but not the gun.

SCKimberFan
October 25, 2008, 02:34 PM
They will sell you the gun AND the mags. It isn't Rocket Surgery.

4v50 Gary
October 25, 2008, 02:35 PM
As mentioned, the person who sold them the gun sold it sans the magazine. You can find a replacment at gunshows, GunParts Inc., GunBroker or even that awful EPay.

DoubleTapDrew
October 25, 2008, 02:37 PM
Lower prices look more alluring. Kind of like how you can buy "core systems" for a video game system. You may still need to buy a controller, game, memory card, etc. to actually play it but hey...look at that price!
Either that or they tried some mags and couldn't get it to work with them :)

ilbob
October 25, 2008, 02:38 PM
a lot of times used guns are on consignment and the gun shop does not actually own them.

Smithiac
October 25, 2008, 02:46 PM
I've always wondered why they don't give you a box or two of free ammo with a purchase. Seriously, you need it to fire.......right?

Most of the dealers have a walmart in there area who they have to compete with on the gun prices. When walmart sells a gun at about what an independent dealer can buy one from the wholesaler for there is no room to allow for throwing in ammo it would eat up a good portion if not all of the profit.

Now as far as the original post it is probably a consignment or just a low end gun that they don't want to put any time into.

jakk280rem
October 25, 2008, 03:27 PM
the shop may also do this as a form of full disclosure. original magazines generaly increase the value of the gun. especialy if it is older or rare. if they were to buy an aftermarket mag and sell the gun "complete" at a marked up price a posible buyer may be discouraged do to unoriginal parts.

Acera
October 25, 2008, 04:00 PM
I got a great deal on an Acera rifle because it did not have the magazine. Gander Mountain had the box, all the paperwork, etc, but no magazine. It was on clearance, and the sales guy said they handled Browning magazines, but could not get one for the .300. So after some negotiation, and calling the Browning parts number to confirm availability and price, $35, I was able to talk them down to $350 for the rifle. Called Browning again on the way home and ordered a magazine (they only sell one of the Acera mags to each customer) and was shooting it the next weekend. Of course I told the sales manager that the magazines were $70, plus shipping, and tax brought them up close to $85, he believed me and dropped the price to cover that. Only problem was getting a buddy to order me an extra magazine, but got it worked out and have a great set up.

Work the deal, even if you are at a chain store.

Sometimes missing parts are a good way to get a cheap gun. It is often worth the effort on your part.

Jim K
October 25, 2008, 07:13 PM
Of course sometimes the reason the magazine is missing is that another good, honest customer stole it.

As for "throwing in a box of ammo" that custom went west a long time ago and is not likely to return.

When I bought a Moore teat-fire last fall, I tried to get the dealer to throw in a box of ammo. No luck.

Jim

Old Fuff
October 25, 2008, 07:29 PM
When I bought a Moore teat-fire last fall, I tried to get the dealer to throw in a box of ammo. No luck.

Gee...

How cheap of him. That's just plain awful. :neener: :D

ridata
October 25, 2008, 08:00 PM
Of course I told the sales manager that the magazines were $70, plus shipping, and tax brought them up close to $85, he believed me and dropped the price to cover that.
I really don't see lying about the price of the magazine to get a good price on the gun anything to be proud of, especially when you knew for sure the cost. :confused:

R. Deckard
October 26, 2008, 12:46 AM
Funny, I had the opposite problem with the throwing in the ammo thing. Was nogotiating the price of a 10/22 at an Amy-Navy/Pawn shop that also sold ammo and was within about $10.00 of the price I wanted to pay. The owner said he would through in 200 rounds of cheap 22 but not come off another $10.00 in price.

Lone_Gunman
October 26, 2008, 12:50 AM
Of course I told the sales manager that the magazines were $70, plus shipping, and tax brought them up close to $85, he believed me and dropped the price to cover that.

Isn't that kind of like lying?

ljnowell
October 26, 2008, 02:30 AM
Funny, I had the opposite problem with the throwing in the ammo thing. Was nogotiating the price of a 10/22 at an Amy-Navy/Pawn shop that also sold ammo and was within about $10.00 of the price I wanted to pay. The owner said he would through in 200 rounds of cheap 22 but not come off another $10.00 in price.

500 rounds at retail is 15 bucks. It was cheaper for him to bait you with the ammo.

maddog1775
October 26, 2008, 02:47 AM
Might be worth buying the gun at that price, even without the mag. I am certain you can find magazines for it somewhere out there.

Point of fact: we actually found one of those in Iraq.

Ala Dan
October 26, 2008, 03:58 AM
With ammo prices taking three major hikes in price this year alone;
dealer's can't afford to throw in a box of ammo with every firearm
purchase. As much as we would like too, it just doesn't make sense
on firearms that are already discounted $10-20 each~! :(

MAKster
October 26, 2008, 10:40 AM
The person who mentioned the free ammo was being sarcastic.

Bailey Guns
October 26, 2008, 11:11 AM
Probably because the dealer knows that if he went to the trouble of procuring a magazine and marking the gun up accordingly, most guys would still b***h that the price was too high.

There's always somebody out there who wants something for nothing.

JamesMcD
October 26, 2008, 01:59 PM
Thanks for the replies guys.

wep45
October 26, 2008, 02:24 PM
the shop doesnt need one, you do:confused: buy it as is or walk on by

moooose102
October 26, 2008, 02:43 PM
I've always wondered why they don't give you a box or two of free ammo with a purchase.
the small time dealers used to do this, but people being as they are, looked at nothing but the advertised price at the big discount stores and went there to buy their guns instead. if you added up the cost of the gun, the ammo you had to buy seperatly, and the trip to the gunsmith to have something tweaked, it was a way better deal to pay the little bit higher price at your local small town dealer who took care of all the small stuff so you would keep coming back to his store. so now the little guy, who was doing his best to give you GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE, and take good care of you, went out of business. fast forward several years, and now you go the the big discount stores, and complain about poor customer service. all for the sake of saving a dollar.

Acera
October 26, 2008, 06:12 PM
Lone_Gunman I considered it a bonus on my part because they were lazy and did not have the business responsiblity to properly sell their product.

Of course I am not disparaging people in your profession, I am sure all the guns you sell are all LNIB and no scratches, etc. (Yes I have read your posts:barf:)

86thecat
October 26, 2008, 10:14 PM
The way the feds are going the shop might need a manufacturers license to "repair" and resell a firearm.

possom813
October 26, 2008, 10:25 PM
I don't know about all mom and pop stores, but I refuse to do business with our local one any more.

I have a Wilson Combat AR15 up for sale in the for sale forum that belongs to a friend of mine. Before it got listed here he went to the local shop without it and he and the owner struck a deal on it for a RRA AR15 and a lower end AK. A pretty close to even swap, IIRC my friend had to add a few dollars to the deal.

The following day he took it to the shop to go through with the deal and the owner backed out and said all he could do was the RRA and 100 bucks for the Wilson leaving about a 400-500 buck gap in the AK.

This isn't the first time this shop has tried to screw either of us, so we're both done dealing with him.

jdh
October 27, 2008, 12:43 PM
The deal was offered and, if he was happy with it, should have done the deal on the spot instead of being wishy-washey. Some one may have went in and made a deal on the AK after he left the shop. Ya snooze, Ya loose.

BTW, do you know what a customer means when he says "Let me think about it and I'll be back"?

I think you are out of your mind but I'm to big a coward to tell you so to your face.

OR, I have to go get on the internet and ask a bunch of strangers what they think before I can make a commitment.

OR, I have to go ask my wife for permission.

OR, I have to go and shoot up all my ammo before we do the deal and bring the gun to be traded in back in a totally filthy condition.

And so one.

mljdeckard
October 27, 2008, 03:32 PM
It's the same reason that if you trade in a car to a dealer, they want to do as little to it as possible before they sell it. It's money out of the profit margin. If the shop pays $25-30 for a magazine, it's not like they can hang a tag on it that says; "Price increased to reflect our sacrifice in bringing this gun to minimum working order. Thank you for your understanding."

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