I'll pose this query in hopes of not starting a major battle (minor skirmishes are OK).
That crazy "TCB in Tenn"" has me thinking about a .22 magnum. I have a Ruger revolver that shoots 'em (and a large-ish cache of ammo) but no rifle.
The two .22 magnum rifles that really interest me are the CZ-452 and the Ruger 77/22 (laminated stock version, "all-weather" finish and the semi-heavy target barrel).
Am leaning hard toward the Ruger - partially because I really like the look of the laminated stock.
Am mostly interested in buying "used-but-good-condition" and I am allergic to buying used scopes so the purchase would have to be "rifle only".
So - for those of you who own, or have owned, either/both - how about sharing the Good, Bad and the Other with me? :)
Anyone know what such a rifle in either model can be bought for ? Just scanning on GunBroker it appears the Ruger is about $$60-$80 more expensive.
Use of the rifle will be mostly informal pestering of the local crows, woodchucks, raccoons, skunks and maybe a song-dog or two.
P.S. Have heard there are some special (and expensive) rings/bases required for scope-mounting on the CZ rifles and some minor gunsmithing involved. Anyone know about that ?
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October 26, 2008, 11:58 AM
The Ruger is a nice rifle, I have never shot or handled any of the CZ's but all the talk is they are pretty decent. I used to have a Mossberg bolt action, the model escapes me right now, that was very accurate out to 150 or so yards.
October 26, 2008, 12:35 PM
I had a Mossberg too as a teen. It was the 640K "Chuckster" and a very early design and pretty accurate. Problem is they are a PITA to mount a modern scope on.
cz, not knowing accuracy on either of these, chances are , that any cz you pick will allways bemore accurate than a ruger...
October 26, 2008, 02:27 PM
The best .22 mag I have shot yet as far as accuracy goes is the Marlin 25mn I inherited from my grandpa. I dropped an aftermarket trigger in and it out shoots most of my more expensive rifles, big or small.
October 26, 2008, 02:53 PM
There is no proof available that would demonstrate CZ's accuracy over the Ruger. Both are remarkably accurate with ammunition that they like.
The CZ 452 Varmint, in .22 WMR, is unavailable in the Laminated stock version, or stainless steel. The blues, Hardwood stocked version lists at $412.99
The Ruger K77/22-VBZ is the heavy barrel, laminated stock version. It lists for $812.00
Both are available for much less at distributors.
Either one will be at least as accurate as you are.:)
October 26, 2008, 03:05 PM
Shawnee I haven't shot either of the rifles you have mentioned but I do have two marlin bolts. A 783 in walnut and an 883 with the laminated stock. I just bought the 883 from a pawn shop in like new condition for $140 OTD.
Both of the guns will shoot 1 1/5" or less groups at 100 yards. Sometimes as small as 3/4". The plated ammo from CCI would shoot okay for about 25 shots and then start to open up until the barrel was cleaned. If I stick with the winchester or Armscor that has a real jacket on it this doesn't happen.
Look at RFC. There is lots of rimfire info over there. Like here, most will tell you to buy what they like. But then again lots of those guys have tried them all and can give you some good feedback.
October 26, 2008, 03:19 PM
The cz will beat anything out of the box. You will need high rings but they are not more than $50. I had a Marlin .22 mag and couldn't figure out what it was for. It fills an unnecessary gap between .22 LR and .223 IMO. The ammo is so pricey one may as well shoot .223
October 26, 2008, 09:09 PM
Problem is they are a PITA to mount a modern scope on.
Oh, not all -that- hard with the right set of rings/scope. I have two oldies and one "newie" that fit mine just fine.
October 26, 2008, 09:16 PM
I have the Savage in regular old .22, so another vote for the Savage.
October 26, 2008, 09:24 PM
Browning is coming out with a "magnum" version of the T-bolt---if its anything like my .22lr model----I'll be snapping one up quickly.
October 26, 2008, 09:26 PM
not sayin its a typical group but with my 925m i got 3/8" at 100yd a few times.... 5 shot groups, inch or less was pretty common. only once every so often w/cci 40g jhp and dead calm day. of the two though, haven't a clue really never shot em but hear good of both:cool:. been a few months since i last shot the 925m so i had about 1-3/4 yesterday morning lol. it does need about 5 shots before it starts shooting well if i just cleaned it though:confused:
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
October 26, 2008, 10:30 PM
Model 45Three Varmint is the answer to all your prayers! :)
It shows that the 453 Varmint is only available in .22lr. But I have one in .17 HMR, so that tells me it is probably also available in .22 magnum.
TCB in TN
October 26, 2008, 10:42 PM
Wow Shawnee, I didn't know I was getting to ya. Next thing you know you will be buying a .308 or a 30-06 and we will be able to say for sure that we have reached TEOTWAWKI! :p
No surprise that I am a huge fan of the Ruger 77/22m, great rifles that are both beautiful and as accurate as one can ask for. Pull the trigger (literally and figuratively) and buy you one and you will be very pleased.
October 26, 2008, 10:54 PM
I know that a Marlin is not on your list...but...
one of the guys that I hunt with has Marlin bolt action in .22 mag that is a few years old; it's been reliable & accurate for him; I liked his so much that I snagged a lightly used Marlin 925 w/ Tasco 3 - 12 x 40 "MAG" scope for $170; hopefully I'll be able to shoot it later this week; after some reviewing & recommendations I chose to start with Hornady 30gr V-Max for squirrels & groundhogs out to 100 yards
October 26, 2008, 10:55 PM
"Next thing you know you will be buying a .308 or a 30-06 and we will be able to say for sure that we have reached TEOTWAWKI!"
You'll have to wait longer than TEOTWAWKI before I buy a .308.
"Browning is coming out with a "magnum" version of the T-bolt---if its anything like my .22lr model----I'll be snapping one up quickly."
Well, if you have to choose between these two, then do the cz. but first, i would look up anything in the marlin 7 series, a mossberg chuckster, a marlin 99m2 semiauto mag(finest ever made)a marlin 99m1, second finest 22mag semiauto ever made, a brno, in takedown mode, and a ruger in 10.22 mag , or a ruger lever mag. Those first 5 are absolutely the best ever, as far as 22 mags go.
October 27, 2008, 10:00 AM
Check out the Ruger 96/22M, I put a Williams ghost ring/firesight set on and love it for accuracy. Also check out the Taurus M72C, pump action. Not as accurate, but a boat load of fun to shoot.
October 27, 2008, 10:09 AM
Don't have too high expectations on accuracy. The 22WMR is not the 17HMR. I'm waiting for a 5mm to come out as I was looking for a 22mag also. Same choices as yours.... Savage, CZ, and Marlin.
October 27, 2008, 11:23 AM
The CZ452 with trigger work or CZ453, if offered in .22WMR, would be my pick, just because I had the 452.
October 27, 2008, 12:38 PM
The ruger is not worth the added expense over the CZ in my opinion. I own a 452 in 22lr and it is an excellent rifle. BKL rings fit CZs with the 11mm dovetail. But the American has standard dovetails and is just as accurate as the varmint. From all reports I have seen. You should really ask this question on rimfirecentral. They can also tell you every combination of rings that will work.
October 27, 2008, 01:40 PM
RangerRuck does the marlin 99m1 or m2 come in a magnum I have never seen one and didn't even know they made one,
Now to the OP here is my ruger 77/22VMBBZhttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/karenner_2006/mypictures004-6.jpghttp://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/karenner_2006/mypictures003-7.jpg that shoots 1.25 to 1.5 inch groups at 200 yards I had a CZ that I traded for this one I liked the CZ a lot but liked this one better.
October 27, 2008, 02:05 PM
:what: Is that a factory stock ??????????
October 27, 2008, 02:16 PM
Wow! That is one of the best looking guns I have ever seen. :what:
October 27, 2008, 07:52 PM
shawnee not a factory stock it is a Richards Wildcat
Viciouspeanut thanks I like it real well have never been a big ruger fan but this one I think I'll keep:D
Holy Toledo ! :eek: AWESOME-Lookin' beast you have there !
October 27, 2008, 08:01 PM
The Target Grey finish on Rugers looks really nice. I really like it on my M77VT.
October 27, 2008, 08:37 PM
Like I said never been a big ruger fan but this one is a keeper shoots great with remington premiers 33 grnr's
Indianaboy I like the target grey also
October 27, 2008, 09:31 PM
I recently bought this used 77/22M at a gunshow for $400. Great rifle......:D
TCB in TN
October 27, 2008, 10:01 PM
You guys gotta STOP now! I have already spent my gun budget for the rest of the year, and I can't even go there. (I may have to sell my black horse, if this keeps up!)
October 27, 2008, 11:46 PM
Man, I OWN a 77/22 and I am starting to drool.
Either choice will be a good choice, but from experience I would have to put the CZ in the better accuracy department. But they are very similar to each other in balance, trigger pull and quality. I personally prefer the looks of the Mauser action that Ruger copied.
The one BIG difference between the two are aftermarket parts, you can get a stock and trigger for the CZ, and a brand new weaver scope rail that rocks (http://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=42).
The Ruger you can do all that and THEN you can change it to whichever of the four rimfire calibers the 77/22 is available in by only changing the barrel, trigger guard, and magazine.
October 27, 2008, 11:57 PM
That there is mighty pretty and at a great price, how's the trigger on it mine is set at about 2lbs maybe a little less maybe a little more will have to check and make sure.
October 28, 2008, 12:16 AM
I have the Ruger with lami stock and absolutely love it! With the right (30gr)ammo it'll easily do a half in @ 100. But I obviously shoot via a bench. As a walk around gun it's heavy! I'm inclined to think any of the guns mentioned with lami stocks are going to be heavy.
October 28, 2008, 12:33 AM
here are the two version by marlin , done in semi auto, for 99m2, and for 922-m, I believe are the model numbers;
this is the 922-m, very much styled like the marlin camp carbines, from what i understand , they are made on the same platform, so they are very overbuilt.
I can't find pics of the 99-m2, but imagine it being as overbuilt as the 99m2,
but also looking very much like a m1 carbine.
October 28, 2008, 01:08 AM
I have seen the 922m and have a 99m1 but it is 22LR and the 989m2 is also a 22LR have never seen or even heard of one in a 22 mag not saying there isn't just have never seen or heard of one if there is one I would love to have it:D
October 28, 2008, 04:09 AM
yep , they are out there, but they are double tough to find.
collector's Firearms in Houston, from time to time, has 1 or both. but you will pay for them, especially if the carbine looking one has all the correct pieces there to the rear site, which usually get knocked off and lost.
looka that mag in the pic, way longer ( or wider) for a 22lr round, this mag is easily seen
as a 22 mag round mag.
October 28, 2008, 08:04 AM
Bought a cheap old Savage model 93 in left hand about 6 months ago. That is a very good shooting rifle: It makes 1.25" three shot groups at 100 yards with the right ammo. The Accu-Trigger is superb.
Already killed a lot of wild hogs with that gun. Did I mention that is is cheap?
October 28, 2008, 06:14 PM
Yes the 922m is the 22 magnum but the 99m1 and 989m2 are only in the 22LR cartridge and not the 22 magnum
October 28, 2008, 06:36 PM
gunlover......My trigger feels like it is around 3.5 pounds but I am guessing. I am not sure if the previous owner worked on it. Lots of great looking .22 WMRs here..........:D .... The .22 WMR is probably my favorite round!!! Post more photos guys!!!
October 28, 2008, 06:44 PM
I think the Browning T-Bolt looks really nice, and very light weight. Available in .22 mag, .17 mag, and .22 lr.