Can you reload 9mm Makarov with 9mm luger dies?


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RM
October 29, 2008, 05:00 PM
Probably a dumb question, but can you reload 9mm Makarov with 9mm luger dies?
Thank you.

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Jim Watson
October 29, 2008, 05:04 PM
That is not feasible.

(Board software would not let me post just "No" which is all that really needs saying.)

rcmodel
October 29, 2008, 05:48 PM
The Luger has .011" case taper.
The MAK has .002" case taper.

The Luger case is .754 long.
The MAK case is .713" long.

The Luger uses .355" bullets.
The MAK uses .365" bullets.

About this time, somebody is gonna tell you they do it all the time.

But they can't tell you they do it right!

neal7250
October 29, 2008, 06:34 PM
I wouldn't do that. I would use the right dies.

RustyFN
October 29, 2008, 07:48 PM
About this time, somebody is gonna tell you they do it all the time.

But they can't tell you they do it right!
LMAO :D

Rusty

rondog
October 29, 2008, 08:17 PM
As I understand it, you can use the Luger cases after you trim them 1mm, but have to have 9x18 mak dies to do the rest. At least that's my plan, I'm going to make up a bunch this winter. I've asked about this subject a lot on this forum and others.

The biggest issue I hear about is marking your modified cases to differentiate them from regular 9mm Lugers. The modified and loaded 9mm Lugers won't look "right" because they're slightly smaller in diameter than the 9x18 maks, and the maks use larger bullets, but once they're fired they'll "fire form" to the chamber and will be fine after that.

Keep in mind the 9mm Luger bullets are what, .355-.357, and the Maks are .363-.365? Gotta have the right bullets, and that's the hard part to find. I bought mine here.... http://www.betterbullets.com/

So's I'm told anyway. We'll see. Got everything but the workbench setup.

jcwit
October 29, 2008, 08:52 PM
In one word "nope". However yes you can shorten 9mm luger cases and resize and load them with the correct size bullets. I use cast lead bullets using a Lee mold.

Shoney
October 30, 2008, 02:46 AM
Before anyone began making 9X18 cases, your only choice was to cut down 9mm Luger cases. Since the Mak is a champion of the "one flung dung" case ejection, you loose a good percentage of them. When other loaders find them, the problem with case being a silly millimeter shorter is not very evident, until they see them loaded next to other uncut Luger cases.:what:

And no, you can't load a 9X18 case with 9X19 dies. Been there done that when the 9X18 dies were very rare.:o

buttrap
October 30, 2008, 11:41 PM
My guess is it could be done..in a rinky dink sort of a way that would be more of a pain than worth the effort. I have loaded .380 with 9mm and .223 dies...after a fashion..end result was some ammo but it was not pretty or worth the effort.

ArchAngelCD
October 31, 2008, 01:17 AM
Why does this always happen? The first 2 answers made the answer to the OP's question very clear but then we get a page or two more answers saying the same exact thing with slightly different wording... I'm not flaming anyone, I was just wondering why this always happens?

joneb
October 31, 2008, 01:57 AM
Why does this always happen? The first 2 answers made the answer to the OP's question very clear but then we get a page or two more answers saying the same exact thing with slightly different wording... I'm not flaming anyone, I was just wondering why this always happens?
With all do respect, I'm glad it does happen. That last post may contain the desired answer.

rondog
October 31, 2008, 02:35 AM
It's called conversation. Forums would be pretty boring if they were strictly question and answer only. Not only can you learn the answer to the original question, and several variations of that answer, you can usually also learn many other things directly and indirectly related.

ArchAngelCD
October 31, 2008, 03:14 AM
Guys, please don't get upset with what I said. I totally agree with discussion and conversation. I was only referring to topics like this one where the answer is totally cut and dry.

No harm meant, sorry I went OT on this thread...

GaryM
November 2, 2008, 07:53 AM
I also cut down 9x19 brass and run it through a 9mm mak die, works great.
Archangel, I know if I hear multiple folk are doing something I feel better about trying it than if just one person claims to do it.
Besides, some people are just better at describign how to do things and quite often someone else will have something to add such as a warning or an alternate way of doing things.
I don't mind reading a bunch of answer to a question and if I get bored I simply hit the back button on my browser and look for the next subject that catches my interest.

cobra2411
November 3, 2008, 12:14 PM
Ok, kinda related. I've got a Lee 4-hole turret press, but lee only offers a 3 die set for Makarov.

Will the 9mm factory crimp die work with the Mak 3 die set? Or is it not a big deal not to have a factory crimp?

rcmodel
November 3, 2008, 12:26 PM
It is not a big deal.
Your seating die will crimp just fine.

Auto pistol rounds only need the expander plug flair straightened back out by the taper crimp.

Finished round should measure .390" at the case mouth.

rondog
November 3, 2008, 01:19 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the main advantage to the Lee FCD is that it resizes the loaded round one more time after the bullet's been seated. That, and the crimp that you can adjust. I like mine on .45 cases, but some guys don't.

ArchAngelCD
November 4, 2008, 02:35 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the main advantage to the Lee FCD is that it resizes the loaded round one more time after the bullet's been seated. That, and the crimp that you can adjust. I like mine on .45 cases, but some guys don't.
You aren't wrong. I think the ability to to make fine adjustments to the crimp is it's best feature IMO. I use a FCD for all my handgun rounds now.

BHP FAN
November 4, 2008, 04:08 AM
Wouldn't useing .380 cases work better?I HAVE the Lee MAK dies,but very little reloadable brass.

Walkalong
November 4, 2008, 07:56 AM
but I think the main advantage to the Lee FCD is that it resizes the loaded round one more time after the bullet's been seated. That, and the crimp that you can adjust.The main disadvantage is that the round post sizes the area where the bullet is seated. It does too much post sizing. You can adjust any crimp die. You do have to adjust the ring though, while you can adjust the Lee without removing it. That is not a big deal to me. The Lee also gets out of adjustment easily. Don't even get me started on the O ring lock rings.

This is one area where I disagree with some of the profiecent reloaders on the board. I know ArchAngelCD knows what he is doing. :)

rondog
November 4, 2008, 08:59 AM
Wouldn't useing .380 cases work better?I HAVE the Lee MAK dies,but very little reloadable brass.

Negative. .380's are too short, for one thing, and are dimensionally wrong everywhere else too. Won't even fit in the same shellholders.

ArchAngelCD
November 5, 2008, 02:32 AM
Walkalong,
I agree the O rings are not a good setup. That's why I replaced many of mine with locking nuts from RCBS... LOL

rcmodel
November 5, 2008, 12:48 PM
I agree the O rings are not a good setup.+1,000!

I drill & tap evey Lee lock ring when I walk in the house with a new die set for a set screw & a lead shot.

The O-rings positively suck unless you use them in a turrent plate and never have to move them after you lock them down with channel lock pliers the first time!

rondog
November 5, 2008, 02:02 PM
I just buy a turret ring for every set of dies. Once they're set, they're set. I see no reason to do it any other way, the rings are like $9 each.

cobra2411
November 5, 2008, 02:10 PM
Ok, I'm new to reloading, but it's nice to see I'm not the only one who thought the o-rings were junk... :)

I've got a turret and I bought plates for my dies, so I just crank down on the lock nut and haven't had any problems since I did.

Now the auto-disk... I've got an adjustable charge bar coming. Required IMO.

My recommendation for a Lee turret kit "standard" equipment list is this:
Deluxe reloading Kit - includes the Auto disk powder measure and a beam scale.
Safety prime
Powder riser
Adjustable charge bar
Turret plate for each set of dies
Basic funnel - It's nice to have so you can dump the powder you just weighed back into the case. Lee's is like $3.
Bullet puller
Reloading book - I got Lee's book.

daveinsvaz
June 24, 2010, 05:48 PM
I originally saw this post and thought no, you cannot...but that is not exactially true. I am using an RCBS 9mm Luger die set below:
1. Set the 9mm Luger sizer die off to the side, you will not need it;
2. Take fired 9mm Luger brass, cut off to .70 length;
3. Flare cut case mouth very slightly;
4. Prime and add powder;
5. Use the flaring die body (without stem) as a sizing die (slightly like in neck sizing only);
Works well.
If you want to get fancy. Then take an engine stud ($2.20 at Ace Hardware). Cut it off 1/2" below the solid piece between the threads, leaving the 3/8 threaded shaft, a small unthreaded portion and 1/2'' of the fine threads. The 1/2" of fine thread touch to the grinder till they are gone, this is your depth gauge. Measure the unthreaded portion and use fine sandpaper to take down to .364 inch. Mount in your reloading press with two washers and two 3/8 nuts. This is your 9mm Makarov specific case flaring tool. The of unthreaded area keeps the 364 area from splitting the Luger case, which will happen if you run it all the way to the bottom.
Randy Davidson
Sierra Vista, AZ

rcmodel
June 24, 2010, 05:53 PM
Or, you could just buy a set of 9mm MAK dies.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000690176

BTW: Cut off 9mm Luger cases are a royal PITA to sort out of range brass. And they play heck with reloading when they get mixed in with your 9mm Luger cases. Talk about excess headspace!!!

rc

Duckdog
June 24, 2010, 07:12 PM
They can be a pain if mixed in, but I trim them off with a lee trimmer after flaring the casemounth, and use a lure blade die to mark the ends after loading. That makes them stand out like a sore thumb.

Definitely by the 9mm makarov dies. Money well spent!

gandog56
June 24, 2010, 07:51 PM
I just paint the headstamps over with a Black Sharpie.

JDGray
June 24, 2010, 08:31 PM
Dig up a 2yr old thread, to say what!?!!??:D:scrutiny:

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