[BamBam]

http://www.kel-tec.com/pr04.htm

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[Badger Arms]

http://www.kel-tec.com/images/SU-16%203%20views%20merged.jpg

Here it is if you're lazy or don't care enough to go to KT.

[boing]

I'm both. Thanks. :)

[Badger Arms]

Looking closely at the picture, it appears that an entire 30rd M-16 magazine is being stowed in the buttstock. I had thought from the initial pictures we saw that this was just going to be a 5 or 10rd magazine inserted in the fassion of the Steyr Scout Rifle. Wonderful that you get a whole 30rd mag.

Close examination of the picture and a close reading of their web site material leads me to believe that there is no bolt hold-open device. The safety is a simple but reversible push through safety as in the Ruger 10/22. The bolt carrier and bolt assembly look pretty much like an AR-18 while the Gas System might more closely aproximate the AK-47. The AR-18 system looks different, but who knows what kind of rod lies beneath the tube up there. I don't like the bipod and would prefer a fixed forestock. The front sight is constructed of plastic, I'd guess, but it's hard to tell from the picture. Rear sight is removable peep that attaches to weaver rail. Rail looks integral with the receiver and therefore made of plastic also. Can't tell where the return spring is but I'd assume it's in line with the gas system as in the SKS/AK-47 types. Don't know if the bolt carrier is guided by metal inserts as is the HK G36 or perhaps it rides on Plastic (ouch). Maybe another novel system.:confused:

Coolness rating seems pretty high on this one. Let's see how the market reacts.

[Wildalaska]

Im gonna get one before they are banned!

Got to agree with you Badger looks like an AR18 bolt mated to an AK47 or FNC type piston system, would account for the reciprocating handle

[Triad]

KEL-TEC 5.56 mm SU-16 SPORT UTILITY RIFLE

INTRODUCTION
The name is not an attempt to capitalize on a popular concept but is a truly appropriate designation.

The SU-16 is a gas operated, self-loading rifle in .223 Remington caliber. Several unique features make the SU-16 a versatile sporting firearm.

~An integrated Picatinny rail for mounting different sight systems.

~The forend folds down to form a bipod for increased accuracy.

~The stock can store spare magazines. Two 10 rounds clips or one 20 or 30 rounds.

~The stock and trigger mechanism can be folded forward for added safety and to facilitate secure storage or carry under extreme conditions.



The SU-16 has a conventional gas piston operation and utilizes the proven M-16 breech locking system. Obviously it is compatible with standardized magazines. The reciprocating bolt handle and magazine catch are on the right side, while the push bolt safety can be changed to work from either side.



Except for barrel, bolt and mechanism the SU-16 is made entirely of high impact reinforced polymer.



Technical Specifications
Caliber: .223 Rem (5.56 mm)
Weight unloaded 5.0lbs.
Length open 37"
Length closed 26"
Barrel length 18?
Magazine capacity 10 rounds

For the lazy folks that want more than a picture.
;)

[SIGarmed]

What good is a sight rail if its plastic? I hope its some kind of metal insert or something. If you rapid fire it will the front sight melt? How solid are the hand gaurds with that set up and how do they effect accuracy?
They could have done a better job. Imagine AR hand gaurds instead of a bipod. What if it had the same front gas block of an AR? As it is now even if you could add front and rear flip up AR sights they wouldn't be on the same plain by the looks of it.
I don't think the plastic sights on a rifle are a good idea.
I'll reserve final judgement until I see one in person though.
I can't get an AR in my state so I will seriously consider this rifle.
I wish Springfield made a lighter M1A in .223 though.

[roscoe]

I must say - five pounds. That really is light. Everyone should carry one folded in their briefcases.

[duck hunt]

You realise how spiffy that rifle will look with one of those black plastic canadian-pattern 30rnd mags?:)

[Forseti]

Lets face facts here...this is probably going to be a low cost rifle...for those that want better .223 variants, there are more expensive ones, so consider this one in its proper niche...

I think the design is VERY impressive for the money. I like the idea of the integrated handguard/bipod...think about it...if you are using the handguard, you don' t need the bipod...if you are using the bipod, you don't need the handguard...clever.

I doubt that the sighting system is going to be super match accurate, but this looks to me like an ideal "survival" type backpack woods rifle that can use commonly available .223 ammo. I can't think of any other foldable rifle like it (taking the pins out of an AR-15 to "fold" it is NOT the same, so don't count it)

If the SU and their new .380 compact pistol are reliable and hold up, Keltec is going to sell a lot of stuff this year.

[gun-fucious]

i was wondering that myself, duck hunt

[Art Eatman]

And after they start making deliveries I don't wanna see any posts about any problems with tight groups and long strings of shots! And double "!!". That ain't the world's heaviest barrel stickin' out there!

:D, Art

[Nightcrawler]

Agreed, Art. This is NOT a target rifle. It's not going to get groups like your HBAR-15 does, folks. It will, however, weigh about 3-4lbs less. It's primarily a handy trunk/utility rifle, hence the designation.

[duck hunt]

Yep. That's what I'm talking about gun-fucious. But I wasn't planning on mounting an AR front sight assembly...

[gun-fucious]

well, i was wondering if a ARMs SIR might not be engineered to mount up.
it would be sweet if Kel Tek moulded in some mounting points on the reciever

did y'all notice that the serial number is on the "upper"?
that means a trigger & pistol grip + stock would be a non firearm purchase

i wonder what Calvary Arms might be able to mould

[Redlg155]

I still think it would look better without the fore end/bipod combo and put M60/FAL bipod legs and a pistol grip. :D

I guess we'll just have to see how it performs when it finally gets to the market. I've got room in my safe for another rifle!

Good Shooting
RED

[gun-fucious]

the bottom one is really dangerous:

[Nightcrawler]

Putting a pistol grip would prevent it from folding, and would make it illegal in California, missing the two points I think Kel-Tec CNC is trying to make. This rifle isn't, I don't think, intended to compete with AR-15s and similar weapons. It's meant to be a truck gun, cheaper and more compact than a Mini-14.

But, who knows what add-ons will come out for it if it becomes popular? I hope it sells well.

[TheLastBoyScout]

That looks like what would happen if an AR was crossed with an SKS (stock as a bipod) or Saiga (stock as handguard)

[Redlg155]

True...It should be ok as it is to make it into California.

On the other hand I live in gool Ol Sunny Florida and I can have all that neat stuff!:neener:

Good Shooting
RED

[agony]

Wonder if 20-round milsurp straight mags fit in the buttstock?

[Badger Arms]

Yes, the 20rd mag will fit in the buttstock. Read the info on their web site.

[JShirley]

Suggested retail will be $640.

The Sub-9's front sight was in no danger of melting even during heavy usage in my tac carbine class.

[Bainx]

I must admit, I am quite surprised to see Keltec use the term "clip" rather than magazine in their description of the capability to store one in the end of the rifle.

That aside, I wonder how you put a sling on that weapon?
I don't see any swivels.

[KMKeller]

Looks like an interesting exercise, but I'm not sure I'd want to spend the bucks for an experiment.

[Med 10]

WAAYY too expensive.

Add another 100 bucks or so and you can get a good AR.
I like the gun though, and will probably get one but only after the price comes down.

This thing may turn out to be a POS. I hope not.
still too expensive.

[JShirley]

Med10, SRP is seldom what weapons actually sell for.

[Nightcrawler]

Med10, SRP is seldom what weapons actually sell for.

As I said. Look at the "MSRP" for various AR-15 makes. You'd be insane to pay that much. That's just the manufacturers being optimistic.

[Kilgor]

The gun is intended to compete with the Mini-14.

It takes $15, 20 and 30 rounders, whereas Ruger with its head up it butt doesn't even make a 10 rounder. The factory highcaps cost 10x what a GI M16 magzine costs.