[Mike Irwin]

From Reuters

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&ncid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20030915/ts_nm/politics_california_dc


Just click the link...

[FPrice]

Why am I NOT surprised that it is the 9th Circuit Court that is stopping this? Other than the fact that they are out there.

[Triad]

California...:banghead:

[Dan Shapiro]

:D It just keeps getting better

[Brian Dale]

California's finally slid off into the ocean.

Jump for it, Cal THR members -- we'll pull ya in!

[Kinsman]

The People have spoken!
Ssssshhh!

[cma g21]

Just another example of why the three stooges of the 9th Circuit Court are the most frequently overturned Circuit Court!

[dustind]

I could not find the reason, anyone know?

Is it smart for Grey Davis to act excited in public that his people do not get to rechoose their govenor, it makes him look more like a dictator.

[10-Ring]

If the recall election was going to cost $70 million if we held it in Oct, how much more did the Dem's spend by postponing it until March?

[walking arsenal]

does anyone know of any one thing that has come out of california that has made sense? i'm 21 and in my lifetime i have yet to see anything brilliant develope there. :scrutiny:

[critter]

Reason given was that some three counties still used punchcard ballots and could not get upgraded to something different by election day!

[Sergeant Bob]

Maybe this could be a good thing for McClintock (providing the recall does go ahead but at a later date). Might give him a little more time to marshall support and for people to find out how full 'o' crap Arnie is.

[rock jock]

Reason given was that some three counties still used punchcard ballots and could not get upgraded to something different by election day!
Do they think they're going to get something idiot-proof?

[longeyes]

They're not looking for anything idiot-proof, only GOP-proof.

[Sean Smith]

I love California. But only because I don't live there! :evil:

[rick_reno]

If this ruling stands, you McClintock guys can pack it up. Grey Davis has this one in the bag. Support for the recall has been on the downturn, moving it to March was Davis's strategy from the beginning and he got what he wanted. He'll have more time to buy special interest votes and having this appear with the primary election should result in a much larger turnout - which will favor a Democrat in a state that appears solidly in the Democrats corner.

I'm wondering when people are going to wake up and stop voting. Think of the tremendous cost savings if the judges could decide every election for us.

[foghornl]

Which court is it out there?

The Ninth CIRCUS Court? ? ?

Where is the clown smiley when ya really need him? ? ? ?

[Nathaniel Firethorn]

Actually, this gives the California GOP time to decide whether they want to support their principles or merely themselves.

- pdmoderator

[longeyes]

Where we stand: an oligarchy of political appointees, sitting for life, is telling us how to run a representative government.

Ominous. If you believe in a Republic.

[Jim Diver]

The Ninth has gone too far this time and needs to be disolved. If the punch cards were good enough to elect Davis, then they are good enough to throw him out.

Who do these morons think they are by overriding the will of the people and messing in what is clearly a states issue??


Enough. :banghead: :fire: :cuss:

[jimpeel]

When the State or the Judiciary abrogates the right of the vote from the people it is at that time that the people should rise up against that tyranny. That is how the Supreme Law of the Land is structured; and how the Declaration of Independence declares it should be.That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

That is also the reason that the State wants to get the firearms out of the hands of the citizenry.

[jimpeel]

Once again the Liberals are stating that minorties are being "disenfranchised" because they are too damned stupid to poke a hole in a piece of cardboard with a pin.

How long are minorities going to allow these people to use them to forward their agenda on the premise that they are too stupid to do anything right?:cuss: In other words; how long are they going to be stupid enough to let them continue to do that?

According to the Elite, minorities couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the heel.

[Waitone]

<Gomer Pyle imitation on>
Surprise, surprise, surprise!
<Gomer Pyle imitation off>

Lemme see here.

California re-elects a questionable politician

After the election the electorate determines the goober lied to the voter.

Republican rich guy funds a professional recall effort that actually works all according to Cali constitution.

Recall works and vote is set.

Red Doofus nationalized the recall saying it was a plot of evil spinelessrepublicans to thwart the will of the people. See previousl comments on constitution recall.

President Spinelessrepublican does nothing to help local spinelessrepublicans in the recall.

Local spinelessrepublicans get all worked up over a celluloid character who has yet to propose meaningful solutions.

Meanwhile Red Doofus hauls in all the big guns of the national party emphasizing the national nature of the recall.

Back at the ranch, the same cast of democrat characters who gave us the Florida fiasco in 2000 are now busy at work in California. The key tactic is to get the courts involved.

And people are surprised the 9th Circus Court put a stay on the election?

So now back to the SCOTUS to save spinelessrepublican's butts.


Sound pretty much as expected to me.
Welcome to the future. From 2000 on, all national elections will feature involvement of SCOTUS. No wonder democrats have drawn a line on supreme court nominees. It makes Frist's craven cowardice all the more sickening. Once again the state, any state for that matter, is now going hat in hand to SCOTUS for permission to do that for which no permission was required.

Spinelessrepublicans and statist democrats just joined forces to diddle the election process. I always in my mind equated legitimacy of government with the election process. Clean elections yield legitimate governance. Guess I'll have to reconsider now.

[4v50 Gary]

I'm still waiting for the Nevadans to invade and liberate us. All they need is a marching band, a couple of ponys w/cowboys or cowgirls (someone has got to carry the Battle Born flag of Nevada) and a locksmith (to lock up the State capital building).

[Skunkabilly]

How long are minorities going to allow these people to use them to forward their agenda on the premise that they are too stupid to do anything right? In other words; how long are they going to be stupid enough to let them continue to do that?

I just reregistered to vote today (change of address). Problem is they only ask if I wanted it in Vietnamese or Spanish, but no Chinese :rolleyes:

Pokey pokey Tom McCrintock! Ahso!!

[KC]

<begin sarcasm>
Yaaay! This totally undemocratic recall that was signed by only a few million people has been overturned by a troika of political appointees!
<end sarcasm>

<start invective>
**!@#$$^%$ Clintons
%$#@^%&^!! Davis
^%#^% Democrat, %$##-eating head-in-sand Socialist %$#$nuts.
<end invective>

I do not like these...creatures. I do not like their politics. I *really* do not like them in my life, and I really want them out of my wallet.

Isn't overturning (with extreme prejudice) a tyrannical government the whole purpose-in-being of the 2nd Amendment? Oh, wait...isn't this is the same Circut Court that said that the Second Amendment doesn't really mean what it says, nor does it apply to me, or them?


By the way, is anyone else having a heck of a time logging onto THR servers?

[El Tejon]

The Left cannot lose California. It is their power base. Fortunately, for them, their trump card, the federal court of appeals, saved them yet again.

If the GOP wins in March, or whenever, it will be invalidated by this same court.

[marvl]

The voting system that was perfectly okay to elect Gray Davis is found defective for recalling him. Naturally, the 3-judge panel consisted of 3 Democratic appointees. I'm sure it's all just a coincidence. :rolleyes:

[F4GIB]

The Ninth Circuit has the highest reversal rate of any U. S. Court of Appeals.

[greyhound]

If I'm not mistaken, aren't they the ones who ruled against "God" in the Pledge of Allegience?

Jumpin' Jehozafat, could they be more leftist?

[rick_reno]

Let's remember back on who is advising "Red" Davis on how to keep his job? It's none other than the same guy who was advising Al Whore on how to tie up the last Presidential election...it's BILL CLINTON. These guys are good, very good. They find 3 judges appointed by Democrats - Blow Job Bill appointed two and that pinhead peanut farmer appointed the other one. Isn't it amazing they handed the election to Davis on a silver platter? Bush better watch his behind in the next election.

Does the will of the people mean anything? No.

Will the Supreme court take this one? No.

Will Davis win? Yep, it's a sure thing now. I just hope he takes that little turd Crud Boozamonte, stuff him and uses him for a door stop in one of the Capital restrooms. That'll teach him to jump ship.

This one is too funny for words.

[longeyes]

"Bush better watch his behind in
the next election."

Sure there's going to be one?

And where does Bush come down on this scandal? The whole world
is watching.

[KC]

Oh, what a surprise!
The ACLU is supporting this BS! CSPAN is showing a spiel from some...creature telling me that these punch-card voting machines are totally unreliable, and how wonderful and cheat=proo the computerized ones are.

I DO NOT want these bunch of chicken farts claiming to defend my civil rights. They may have been formed for that purpose, but if this is the sterling leadership that they offer today, they should not claim any such lofty aim, and do not deserve their name.


(What's worse, their mouthpiece keeps putting a "t" in across. It's really annoying.)

They have circumvented a constitutionally mandated electoral process. THEY HAVE MADE THIS STATE, AND BY CONNECTION, ALL OTHER AMERICAN STATES NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER GO**AM POS THIRD-WORLD DICTATORSHIP!

Don't tell me that lawyers should work this out. Dammed lawyers have created this whole mess in the first place. Dammed lawyers have bollixed this whole state. When Shakespeare wrote, "The first thing we do, is lets kil all the lawyers," it was a would-be dictator trying to destroy the kingdom. But today, lawyers are running the state, they are in the legislative as well as judicial branches; they are taking this state from any hint of a rational political realm, and into a tyranny of ridiculous, torturously-worded legal opinions that have less worth than the paper they are printed on. These are the people that Franklin warned of, and these are the people that we have a second amendment for; "...being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms,..." Are these the action of a judiciary with the interests of a free state at heart, or something else entirely?

[Standing Wolf]

The difference between old-time oligarchies and the People's Republic of California's judicial oligarchy is the long dark robes.

[Standing Wolf]

...where does Bush come down on this scandal?

I'm sure he's staying neutral: the safe, genteel Republican thing to do.

[jimpeel]

I wrote all of my CA friends and asked if the people there were cleaning the guns and marching on Sacramento yet.

God, thank you for giving me the good sense to flee that Hellhole while it was still a one-ring circus.
-- Amen

[4570Rick]

If I were a liberal and asked, in regard to a conservative 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, “What’s the penalty for Nuking the 9th and where can I get a bomb?”, I’m sure I’d get support from my fellow liberals and no flak from the media.:rolleyes:

But I’m not a liberal, so to ask that question about an ultra liberal 9th Circuit Court would, I’m sure, get me in more hot water than a 4# lobster at Seafood Broiler.:eek:

So what the h*** can we do about the ultra liberal and unconstitutional decisions handed down by this clearly un-American court, decisions clearly intended to thwart the will of the people?

[LawDog]

Multiple threads merged.

LawDog

[Bob]

an abject lesson in why our founding fathers saw fit to include the 2nd Amendment in our constitution.
Bob

[Jim Diver]

I agree. They have gone too far this time. The PRK Constitution guarentees us an election in a specified time frame. To abrogate a right much a part of democracy makes me think we are living in the USSR!


So the question stands: "Now what?"

[Drjones]

Please edit the title of your thread.

It is "Ninth circus court."



Thanks and sorry for the nitpick.

[4570Rick]

I'm curious. Are we postponing the recall until CA can put Diebold technology in all polling places?:scrutiny:

[Orthonym]

So why is a Federal court involved? It's not like they're electing a U.S. rep or senator, or the prez. OHH now I have it! It's that li'l ol' votin' rights act! I thought that was only meant to apply to us benighted Southerners. Snork! What goes around, comes around.

[Waitone]

-So what the h*** can we do about the ultra liberal and unconstitutional decisions handed down by this clearly un-American court, decisions clearly intended to thwart the will of the people? Californians, Up Front. As much as I love good old fashioned California jokes, I must admit the state is usually in the vanguard of any social movement. I seems to me once again California is in the lead of social change. One such change is the realization the judiciary at the federal level is out of control. We see outrages all over the country but people tend to huff and puff and get over it in preparation for the next outrage. But it seems something just sprung in California. Who can predict what direction the recall will take when you fold in a simmering anger over unjustified judicial abuse and harassment by favored legal organizations such as the ACLU, etc.

My crystal ball is is cloudy and cracked but I may see evidence the opponents of the recall may have just done something unsanitary to their messkit.

[Damnathius]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

At least that's what I've heard.

[buzz_knox]

And where does Bush come down on this scandal? The whole world

Given that this is still a state issue, notwithstanding its national impact, he's remaining neutral as he should. What should he do? Discipline the Ninth Circuit? That's the job of the Supreme Court or Congress, not the President. It's that whole separation of powers, Constitution thing.

Why is it people want the federal gov't out of things but only until it would be handy for their side for the federal gov't to be involved in things?

[2dogs]

The pinkos, um, liberals, want this to go to the Supreme Court, they want the Supremes to uphold the recall. Then the pin..........uh, liberals can whine about how the "right wing court" has once again circumvented the will of the people, just like they did when they stole the election from Al Gore for GW.

I swear that every time a Democrat opens his mouth to let out another lie I want to:barf: :barf: :barf:

[rick_reno]

Read the part below on the "potential wrinkle" - it's great. Read Kevin Shelley's bio http://www.ss.ca.gov/executive/sec_shelley_bio.htm and let me know if you think he'll do anything and everything he can to delay this election.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/15/recall.next/index.html


The anti-tax activist who initiated the effort to recall California Gov. Gray Davis will ask the U.S. Supreme Court as early as Tuesday to stay the federal appeals court ruling that ordered the vote postponed.

Ted Costa, head of Sacramento-based activist group People's Advocate and an intervener in the case, will also request a hearing on the matter, they said.

The panel gave Secretary of State Kevin Shelley, the state's top election official, and Costa seven days to appeal the ruling.

The Supreme Court is not scheduled to reconvene until October 6. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who oversees the 9th Circuit, would make a decision on the emergency stay request.

If she grants a stay, the full court could decide to hold an emergency hearing. If a stay is granted and the court does not discuss the matter before October 7, the election would proceed.

If Monday's ruling stands, however, the recall vote would be moved to the next statewide election, the presidential primary March 4, which is expected to draw more voters than the recall, especially Democrats.

Davis had pushed for a later election, believing he could win enough support to defeat the recall if he had more time.

Costa's attorneys, including lawyers for the recall activist group Rescue California, expressed confidence that a stay would be granted and that the court would want to hear the case.

The 9th Circuit has a reputation as one of the most liberal appellate courts in the federal judiciary, and the Supreme Court often reverses its decisions.

Some of its decisions spark national controversy, such as the one last year that found the words "under God" in school recitations of the Pledge of Allegiance amounted to an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

The Supreme Court has shown recent interest in state voting matters, notably Bush vs. Gore -- the dispute over the 2000 presidential vote in Florida. The case was frequently cited in 9th Circuit panel's opinion.

Costa does face a potential wrinkle. If the state follows the standard appeals process and request that the full 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals hear the case, then the Supreme Court may be reluctant to take action.

Shelley said he would announce his position on the ruling Tuesday. He sent a memo to county elections workers Monday advising them to continue preparing for an October 7 election.

[Waitone]

Given that this is still a state issue, notwithstanding its national impact, he's remaining neutral as he should. What should he do? Discipline the Ninth Circuit? That's the job of the Supreme Court or Congress, not the President. It's that whole separation of powers, Constitution thing.The spinelessrepublican party claims to play hardnosed NFL football yet it has an aversion to getting its uniform dirty. If spinelessrepublicans had a history of engaging in meaningful and fruitful political combat then I would not concern myself with the absence of a national presence during the recall.

However, spinelessrepublicans have a history of avoiding political combat under all circumstances leaving its supporters high and dry. Looks like what is going on here. Yes, Cali is Cali's problem. One national party is making it national and the other national party hasn't a clue. In politics, why should one party rigidly hold the the "rules" (however defined) while the other party refuses to play of the "rules"? The name of the game is control of the levers of power. There are no points awarded in politics for principal and holding to he rules.

There are times when I think the spinelessrepublican party is incapable of governance. Other times I think they don't deserve it.

Help me out there! Is there any identifiable principal for which the spinelessrepublican party is willing to fight?

[buzz_knox]

The name of the game is control of the levers of power. There are no points awarded in politics for principal and holding to he rules.

Ever consider that that thought is what got us to where we are today? When the Constitution was created, principles guided the creation of the rules and gave them both moral and legal weight. When politicians focused on power at all costs, they gave up their principles in exchange for said power.

Should Bush be silent? Probably not. But his only comments should be to remind everyone that non-Californians need to stay out of it, and that the rule of law (the actual law, not what the Ninth Circus wants) should govern.

But, if we really want to play hard ball, why not have the DOJ begin an investigation of a conspiracy to violate civil rights based on the combined impact of the CA motor voter law and Davis' signing the bill allowing illegals to get motor vehicle licenses, and thus illegally obtain voting privileges. I think there could be a RICO prosecution or two in that, especially since the Ninth Circus' delay of the election may allow the conspiracy to bear fruit by March.

[Waitone]

Buzz, you are correct in the implications of my statement. I unfortunately did not provide my entire thought process, just the endpoint. But I still have to ask. What is a citizenry to do when one group of power mongers uses and abuses a system admittedly out of whack to gain power? What are the alternative to stop it? Fight in courts? Fight during elections? Fight in the segment of the media willing to publicize the citizenry's views? Enact the doomsday provision of the constitution? Create a constitutional crisis by having the legislature write legislation which invalidates Marbury v Madison? Force the senate to blow apart one political party's filibuster of nominees?

Notice several of the questions I asked above involve the opposition party engaging in political combat. . . . .something which is studiously avoided. Bottom line? When will spinelessrepublicans dress out for the game?

[buzz_knox]

My personal philosophy is to kick them in the teeth by using the opposite strategy. Rather than publicly striving for power, expose their craven nature, along with court battles whose basic (or at least public) goal is to preclude such illegal seizures of power.

Such tactics would include:

1. calling for nat'l leaders to stay out of it.
2. reminding those leaders that the people voted for the recall so why are their wishes being totally ignored for political gain.
3. court battles focusing on the voter fraud inherent in giving illegals drivers' license in a motor voter state
4. talk shows out the wazoo emphasizing how one party is supporting the inherent right of self-determination by the people of CA, while the other is constantly insulting the people's will and intelligence ( a lovely catch phrase about "ruling elite" would be helpful here).

Basically, use their own tactics while maintaining moral high ground. Can it be done? Yes, but only if skillfully. The fear of a backfire (i.e. screw up) is why it's not being done.

[seeker_two]

It AMAZES me daily that Sacramento isn't in flames & the CA National Guard guarding the 9th Circuit Building yet...:uhoh:

Must be all that New Age karma...:rolleyes:

[buzz_knox]

The full panel of the Ninth Circuit will review the decision to delay the recall. There is at least one intelligent person on the panel, so maybe something will show through.

[KC]

"There is at least one intelligent person on the panel, so maybe something will show through."

Wow, and I thought *I* was an optimist.

[buzz_knox]

I was a permanent pessimist until I realized it just wasn't working. ;)

There was one judge who, notwithstanding his political bent, ripped the Ninth's decision on RKBA and showed some intelligence in doing so.

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

My brain! They're sandblasting my brain! Coherent function erodes! Sanity flees in the face of overwhelming outrage and despair!

Somebody shoot me to put me out of your misery, before I snap and loudly pontificate on the virtues of voting from the rooftops!

Gaahd! Woe! Alas! The quagmire expands and deepens! Gather the pithforks and torches. Fire up the tubs of tar, and slit the pillows! These foolish legiscritters have smeared my dignity and intelligence through their dictatorial cesspool once again!

Who elects these power-hungry socialists? Can there be THAT MANY totally friggin' ididotic mouth-breathers in this state?

The motivations of that guy who suicidally drove his truck-load of condensed milk into the capital building are starting to make a great deal of sense. I am starting to identify with the oppressed Palestinian population. I don't even require promises of legions of virgins in my hareem to inspire the most outrageous ideas for extreme solutions.

Ahh, the idiocy. Pity me, but watch the show closely, that you may learn from my suffering, and thus avoid my fate. Hold us up as a negative example, and pound home the message that "it CAN happen here!"

The murk of the uncollapsed probability that is the future clears with dismaying rapidity. Mark my words, civil war is in the offing. Now it is not "if", it is merely "when", and when is right soon. Legiscritters are soon to be an endangered species 'round these parts.

Power inevitably winds up in the hands of those who want it. Why can't we simply pick power-addicts with some form of reasonable connection to the rule of law? There are ample choices available.

But no. Never in my stupid state. That would make sense, wouldn't it? Can't have THAT in Cal-La-La-Land.

They have made me into a rat, wishing to desert this sinking monstrosity. I am unwelcome everywhere as a result, for no-one in their right mind wants an influx of verminicious rats bearing plague-ridden socialistic idealisms. I watch, aghast, unable to credit my own perceptions as I am painted with the colors of un-Americanism. Staunch denials are worth nothing to the ears and judgement of the credible, for this state has no history of truthfulness.

Whether we actually bear such contagion or not, smart folks in other states would be well-advised to jab us back into our den of ill-health at spear's-length rather than allow the quarantine to be breached. The risk is too great.

God help us. Doom cometh. Our souls, forfeit. Repent! The end is nigh!


[/manic-psychotic rant]


:eek: :( :mad: :fire: :banghead: :fire:

[Waitone]

Basically, use their own tactics while maintaining moral high ground. Can it be done? Yes, but only if skillfully. The fear of a backfire (i.e. screw up) is why it's not being done. Mostly true. The problem is the spinelessrepublican party has no evidence of leadership coming from the party Mt. Olympus. I do not understand how any single individual, much less President, can at the same time be a strong leader when it comes to defeating islamofascist terrorists yet be an pathetic imitation of a leader on domestic issues. Yes, it may be a good idea for national spinelessrepublicans to keep in the weeds in Cali, but where is the leadership? Where will the loyal troops rally? Who or what will they look to for a unifying strategy?

I don't think fear of screwing up is the driving factor. I think an absence of leadership is more the story. If it wasn't for 9-11, Dubya would go down in history as one of the weakest president's we've endured; weaker than Clinton. Something special is unfolding in Cali in spite of the lack of national leadership. I'm optimistic and enthusiastic.

[Silver Bullet]

Are we postponing the recall until CA can put Diebold technology in all polling places?
Nope, they're postponing the recall until after all the guns in California are confiscated; then they'll announce that all future elections are cancelled also.

[longeyes]

Sovereignty, citizenship, suffrage--all are falling by the wayside.
And it's happening even faster than I, no optimist, predicted.

With this ruling there is no way ANY legitimate election can take
place. That includes the '04 Presidential election. You'd need absolutely
uniform voting methods in all U.S. precincts to guarantee "fairness."

In fact, you'll need more, my friends. You will need "special ed"
for voters, people hired (at gov't expense) to drive those who
can't handle the push-pin machines to the voting place, translate the
ballot for them, and guide their hands to the "right" candidate.

[Hot brass]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I wish I could move from this @R%^*$$^*() state:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

[KC]

"I wish I could move from this @R%^*$$^*() state"

Why move? (Not that I dont understand and sympathize with that thinking.) Wouldn't you rather spend some time trying to correct the problem (and it spreads more) before you pull out? Sooner or later, this BS is going to be everywhere.

[Moparmike]

Ok, last I heard yesterday (9/15/03) on Communist News Network is that it was because the "Chad" situation might come up again. They were pressing the issue so well that it almost had me convinced that it was the *only* reason they were doing it.

Any updates? I luckily have avoided all news but that on Isabel.

[Cameron]

Heard this on the radio this morning.

If the election is postponed until March 2004, this would violate the state constitution that requires a recall election to be held within 60 days of the petitions being certified. On Oct 8, the ACLU and G. Davis will try to have the recall halted because it wasn't held in the time period required by the state constitution. Theoretically, they could force recall suporters to start the whole process over from the beginning.

It sounds far-fetched, but nothing would surprise me.

[Ed N.]

I must be missing something. As I understand it, only a handful of precincts are using the punch cards. Why is it so impossible to provide them with acceptable machines during the next three weeks? Heck, I'm sure Florida would be happy to lend them a few machines.

[longeyes]

"I must be missing something. As I understand it, only a handful of precincts are
using the punch cards. Why is it so impossible to provide them with acceptable
machines during the next three weeks? Heck, I'm sure Florida would be happy to
lend them a few machines."

It's more than a handful but you are correct that "the problem" could
be resolved. Of course to resolve it one would have to be coming
from a place of good faith and that is exactly what is increasingly
lacking in all political dealings in this country. The Left is
sufficiently emboldened to flaunt their defiance of Constitutional
principles. They are daring the Right to fight back. Unfortunately,
as one of our more stalwart posters has repeatedly said, and I agree
totally, the Republican Party is utterly feckless and spineless. One
begins to suspect, alas, that this spinelessness may be more complicity
than cowardice.

If there are grounds for optimism they lie in the fact that repeated slaps
in the face can sometimes be bracing and apt to wake up even the
soundest sleeper. The anger level among The People is rising along
with the awareness level.

One thing we can do is use the courts in the same provocative way already
mastered by the Left. Judicial Watch is one organization that seems
to me to be trying to do just that (judicialwatch.org). We need a
para-version of the ACLU and why one doesn't already exist I have no
idea.

[Ed N.]

Y'know, I have this wildly optimistic dream that, when the entire 9th circuit hears this, one of the recall attorneys will quote judge Kozinski:

"The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees."

It'll never happen. But I can dream, can't I?

[Sergeant Bob]

They are daring the Right to fight back. Unfortunately,as one of our more stalwart posters has repeatedly said, and I agree
totally, the Republican Party is utterly feckless and spineless. One
begins to suspect, alas, that this spinelessness may be more complicity
than cowardice.
People only fight for what is important to them, and it's becoming painfully obvious the Republican't Party doesn't find their so called principles worth fighting for.:fire:

[TheOtherOne]

I'm wondering when people are going to wake up and stop voting. Think of the tremendous cost savings if the judges could decide every election for us.

Well said. Sometimes I wonder why we bother. Welcome to America.


It reminds of some county vote we had here a few years ago when I first started voting. There was a vote to add flouride to our water. It passed and then someone somewhere decided to sue to stop it. Even though I voted against it because I didn't want the government poisoning our water, I was so pissed when I heard about the suit. That's when I discovered that democracy was a sham.

[seeker_two]

People only fight for what is important to them, and it's becoming painfully obvious the Republican't Party doesn't find their so called principles worth fighting for.

!!!!AMEN & AMEN!!!!

[Nightfall]

The 9th Circus Court will respect Constitutions, the will of the people, and elections the day pigs fly.

Then again, living in a rural area with Isabel coming, it might not be that soon.

[Silver Bullet]

Batten down your hatches and keep your ammo dry.