BPI 12GA. sabot results.


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snuffy
October 31, 2008, 08:11 PM
Some more tests done today, maybe some more tomorrow.

Nothing surprising today. I stuck with the 20-1 lead 250 grain,(it's supposed to cast at 240), I tried some sabots with the cushion cut-off. Same load as before, 33.0 of longshot, X12X 2 .135 card wads with a ¼ cork wad between the card wads. The group was okay, the usual 2- 2½ to 3" group @ 50 yds. Sabot was undamaged, opened and fell to the ground at 20 yds. in front of bench.

Then I tried some completely experimental loads. One was 40.0 of Aliant steel. Huge BOOM low velocity,(1125), with over 200 fps ES. Sabots went almost all the way to the 50 yd target, they were intact, looked unfired except being dirty. The petals were completely unopened. Group was 8" wide by 4" high, one bullet was slightly keyholed.

Next was 35.0 of blue dot. Probably the most uniform in velocity 20 fps ES grouped into 2" However the velocity was only 1250 fps. Since blue dot is rumored to have poor ignition in cold weather, I'll stick with longshot.

Now I opened the throttle a bit. Since BP has a load for the 500 Hornady SP at 36.0, and my boolits are 450, I could safely go there. Being careful, I loaded 3 at 35.0 and 3 more at 36.0. Here's a scan of the target, the group on the right is the blue dot load.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/bp%20sabot%20group%202.jpg

Then I shot the 36.0 load, here's a scanned pic of that.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/bp%20sabot%20group%201.jpg

Velocity is in the low 1500's, and the recoil is about all I can take. Of course I saved the hardest kickers for last. After the first 16 or so, had me softened up. Even with a past magnum pad on, it was painful.

Now, okay I know that BP says I could go up to 38.0, but somebody else better volunteer to shoot them! Besides, that's plenty good enough accuracy AND the velocity should certainly be plenty.

I'm gonna load quite a few more of the 36.0 load, just to be sure it wasn't a fluke. Then a move over to the 100 yd range, maybe even 200?

I knew I'd forget something! Rolling Eyes

Every single one of the sabots were intact, oops except for one that lost a petal. The ones that were from the 36.0 longshot load were opened the widest and all fell at 25 yds. All were shot with the X12X wad with a card wad between it and the sabot.

I also forgot the test with the alcan airwedge. Nothing spectacular, velocity was nearly the same as with the X12X, accuracy also in the ballpark.

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snuffy
October 31, 2008, 11:16 PM
I just took some pics of the recovered sabots;

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/PA310085.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/PA310087.JPG

Looks like near perfect performance. You can even see the imprint of the lube grooves on the inside of the petals near the bottom. Rifling marks are well defined on the outside.

snuffy
November 2, 2008, 09:43 PM
Nobody seems to care, but here's my range session for today.

Today I decided to go try longer ranges. I sighted in about 2" high @ 50 yds.

I got to thinking about the Lyman sabot slugs I had cast about a year ago. I came up with a load from the Lyman shotshell handbook. 35.0 grains of IMR 4756, a AA red wad, WW 209 primer, in a rem. gun club hull. The following pic is the 50 yd. target with the BP sabot scope adjuster group around the upper bull. The lower group is four of the Lyman sabot slugs. Not bad for picking a load out of a book! I expected them to kick a lot harder than they did. I didn't bother to set up the chrono, so I have to remain in the dark as to velocity.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/50yd%20sabot.jpg

Next I went to the 100 yd range. The next pic is the scanned target from the 100 yd range. The 30 cal holes are from my Savage .308 that I was sighting in/shooting a group. It never has been a tack driver!

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/100yd%20sabot.jpg

Horizontal stringing, can't figure that one out! But what is surprising is the elevation stayed the same as 50! Then I moved over to the 200 yd range. That 3 shot group had to be measured with a tape measure! :( 19 inches wide by 4" high, with a drop of 14".

All the sabots looked identical to the ones from Friday, near perfect opening, no damage. The 200 yd sabots were all in a 6' circle about 20 feet in front of the bench.

I'm not through messing with these sabots. But I'm through for now, I'll hunt with this load in this years season.

Dave McCracken
November 3, 2008, 07:16 AM
Good work!! More of us should hit the bench before we hit the woods...

rbernie
November 3, 2008, 08:55 AM
I'd love to see a picture of the bullet, if you have any.... Do you have a rifled barrel or rifled choke tube?

snuffy
November 3, 2008, 01:44 PM
I'd love to see a picture of the bullet, if you have any.... Do you have a rifled barrel or rifled choke tube?

Ask, and ye shall receive!

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/PA170064.JPG

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/arrow/websize/PA170067.JPG

Look for more info on this thread.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=399789

That's where this all started. I should take a close-up of the lee C501-440-RF boolits, but my digital camera can only get to 9" from whatever it's taking a pic of. Someday I'll get a SLR digital so I can get real close.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=266944

My barrel is a Remington 20" cantilever fully rifled slug BBL. I would rather it had been 24", or for that matter 28",(even though they don't make one over 24"), but that's all they had at the local gunshop.

Matt304
November 3, 2008, 06:40 PM
Nobody seems to care, but here's my range session for today.

Snuffy,

I've noticed this specific shotgun forum seems to be more interested in BBs and tacti-cool black pump-guns than they are interested in sabot accuracy. I noticed you are also posting on Shotgunworld. I have been reading over there, and I appreciate the results very much. Thanks.

snuffy
November 4, 2008, 11:55 AM
Thanks Matt, I will keep on testing AFTER the upcoming deer season here in WI.,(Nov 22 opener).

I'm seriously considering a Caldwell lead sled shooting rest. Then, there would be no limit to how many rounds I could test in a range session.

plumberroy
November 4, 2008, 12:38 PM
Snuffy, I just noticed you thread. I find reloading slugs interesting. I went the other way on slug I reload 20 gauge full bore slugs from dixie slug . shooting a H&R trackerII. I too have gotten uniform results from bluedot
The tighter I get the roll crimp the more uniformity I get. I had a 5 shot group that was 8 f.p.s. spread from high to low. Keep up the good work ! since my only rifled shotgun is a 20 the bpi sabots don't do me much good:(
Keep us informed
Roy

PTK
November 4, 2008, 01:07 PM
Looks like I'll have to pick some of these sabots up in the near future. Seems like they'd be just the ticket for a newly acquired T/C Encore rifled shotgun barrel. :)

Beagle-zebub
November 4, 2008, 01:40 PM
How much did the sabots themselves cost?

bigcim
November 4, 2008, 02:17 PM
Do they sell lead free sabots.
Do you use a regular shotgun shell reloading press to do this

snuffy
November 4, 2008, 02:32 PM
Here's where to get them, and how much they cost. Compared to other sabots on the market, they're priced way below them.

http://www.ballisticproducts.com/products.asp?dept=71

Plumberroy, I'm sure there will be a 20 ga version in the future. They went with the most popular 12 ga. first. They're learning a lot about how these perform, they surely will encorporate anything they learn in a 20 ga. version.

Bigcim, yes you can use a mec, or lee press to do most of the operations, BUT at this time, they must be roll crimped. BPI sells a roll crimper, that's simply a ¼ shaft bit that spins the crimp onto the end of the case. It's best to use a drill press for this. Also, you must use new cases for these. A hull that was star crimped, will NOT work Take a look around the BPI website, you'll find they sell Fiocchi empties that work real well, in fact they're specified for loading these sabots.

plumberroy
November 4, 2008, 03:21 PM
Plumberroy, I'm sure there will be a 20 ga version in the future. They went with the most popular 12 ga. first. They're learning a lot about how these perform, they surely will encorporate anything they learn in a 20 ga. version
I'm sure they will. I sure do get a blast out of sending those 500 grainers I'm loading now down range:D. The 20 gauge slugs I am loading now are
500 grains
.625 dia.
.660 long
.375 meplat
Hard cast
heat treated
I push them at 1200 f.p.s
that comes out to 1599 ft.lbs The formula's that take into consideration frontal area put it in the "just a little light for elaphant or cape buffalo catagory" I think if I ever round up some of these wild hogs roaming around Ohio.It will definately be "hog medicine":evil:
Roy

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