Are you guys watching Fox News right now? Anti-gun rantings.


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Pinned&Recessed
September 16, 2003, 12:00 AM
Just was surfing TV and landed on Fox News. Greta Van Botox was discussing the recent Williams' sister shooting in Compton. There were two panelists who appeared to be discussing the facts (I caught it part way through), and then this wussy criminal defense lawyer was given his turn and launched into this anti-gun diatribe that said:

That Iraq was safer than America
There werem't 15,000 handguns murders in Iraq
Guns are to blame
The NRA owns Washington
We have lost a generation of the best and brightest black Americans due to guns and prisons
We in America need to wake up and say we've had enough
Etc, Etc, Ad F-ing Nauseum.

Is this guy serious?!?!?!? Because we only lost 300 men in Iraq (thus far) and lose 15,000 per year in America, Iraq is safer? (His claim, not Mine)

I am so pissed right now, I can't hardly type.

Did any other THR'ers see this crap?:fire: :fire: :fire:

Sorry pal, I woke up, and I said pass the full-caps:banghead:

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Standing Wolf
September 16, 2003, 12:41 AM
Doesn't make me regret having giving away my television.

QuickDraw
September 16, 2003, 12:50 AM
I second Standing Wolf,gave mine to my brother a year and a half ago :D
Can't say I miss it! Get my news from the radio and 'net.
Remember,TV (and especially cable news) is all about ratings=$$$$.

QuickDraw

BluesBear
September 16, 2003, 12:50 AM
The bright side is that it was on Fox so most people either won't see it or they won't believe it.

Of course Iraq whon't have many handgun killings. They understand the first rule of Middle Eastern Pistolcraft... 1. Don't bring a Handgun to a Rocket Propelled Grenade fight.


I saw a headstone* once that said "Here rests a Lawyer and a Good Man"
I didn't know you could bury two people in the same grave.



* this particular headstone actually did exist and once indicated the final repose of a well known barrister who was universally considered to be the poster child for unscrupulous conduct. Due to repeated vandalizing, a plainer, more truthful in advertising replacement was erected in it's place.
The "two people in the same grave" was meant as a JOKE. It is usually taken as that and usually beings a smile to the face of those who hear it including the many attorneys I have told it to. Of course all of the attorneys in the law firm where I worked for 3 years were a great bunch of guys (and gal) and all had a good sense of humor. This was in no way meant to impugn the integrity of those decent, hard working, fair priced lawyers which constitute the 2% that are given a bad name by the remaining 98%.
(hopefully this asterisk/caveat/distinction will satisfy Futo Inu so I won't have to screw myself)

Futo Inu
September 16, 2003, 01:15 AM
Yeah, and on Fox even. Blues, kindly express yourself better(or amend for clarification please :) )



(Edited so that Art's Grammaw will not have to avert her eyes every time she passes a hardware store.)

Skunkabilly
September 16, 2003, 01:36 AM
What about
1. the widening gap between the haves and have-nots?
2. white people?

I always thought those were the roots of all evil :rolleyes:

Futo Inu
September 16, 2003, 01:39 AM
Skunk, just think how tactical you *could* be if The Man wasn't keeping you down. Sorry, I just saw "Undercover Brother" yesterday with the actual evil "The Man" character - lol.

Travis McGee
September 16, 2003, 02:53 AM
Guns and crack are both part of "the plan" by "the man" to wipe out the black community.

Oh yeah, AIDS too. Did I leave anything out?

c_yeager
September 16, 2003, 04:33 AM
There may be a lot of black people in prison. And there might be a lot of black people killed (in many cases WITH guns not BY guns). But, personally i think its pretty damn insulting to say that THOSE are the best and brightest of an entire race. Despite what the media would have you believe there are ALL SORTS of very intelligent and succesful black people all over this country. And yet so many of them vote democrat? go fig.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
September 16, 2003, 05:06 AM
:scrutiny:

Skunkabilly
September 16, 2003, 11:29 AM
Skunk, just think how tactical you *could* be if The Man wasn't keeping you down.

Futo: Five letters--BATFE. :D

seeker_two
September 16, 2003, 12:04 PM
In order...

That Iraq was safer than America
There werem't 15,000 handguns murders in Iraq

Maybe because everyone there has an M-16, AK-47, RPG, or hand grenades. Kinda makes a handgun seem wimpy...:uhoh:

The NRA owns Washington

Then why hasn't the AWB & GCA '68 been repealed, already? :scrutiny:

We have lost a generation of the best and brightest black Americans due to guns and prisons

If they were so BRIGHT, how come they got CAUGHT ?

We in America need to wake up and say we've had enough

Yes. We've had enough.... OF YOU AND YOUR :cuss: -ING STUPID, LIBERAL, ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL, PRO-SOCIALIST TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT KIND!!! :fire:


(OK, I feel better now. Continue...)

Sven
September 16, 2003, 12:09 PM
No TV here.

toro
September 16, 2003, 12:31 PM
I watch a lot of Fox news. There are more pro-gun people on Fox than any other station you can watch. If you want to hear anti-gun talk watch MTV or CNN. They are the worst. Fox is usually fair and balanced. Just ask CNN about that. They all have some bad things about guns. After all not all people agree on any subject. I never watch Greta though she is from CNN and I didn't like her from the beginning.



MRS. Toro


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Romans 2:10
But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile.

RobW
September 16, 2003, 12:33 PM
There are a lot of people that consider themselves "sharp brains" living in La-La Land.

Incompetent, ignorant, naive.

"If the facts don't meet my opinions, too bad for the facts"

I shot the TV off. This guy proofed himself incompetent. Yes, we have enough from this sort of elitists.

TheEgg
September 16, 2003, 12:50 PM
That bunch of criminal defense lawyers she has on her show (Greta Von Susteren) is a waste of air. Every time they talk about a trial, like Kobe Bryant's or the Patrick Dennehy murder case, they belittle the legal systems of those states and make offensive remarks about the people in that state, be it Colorado, Texas, Alabama -- even California if it is outside of L.A. I have heard them state that Kobe can't get a fair trial in Colorado because all of the white people there are racists, and that in Texas, only black people are given the death penalty!

They obviously have no information, just biased opinions.

I guess in their world-view, unless you live in New York or L.A. there is no way to get a fair trial.

TheOtherOne
September 16, 2003, 01:52 PM
The bright side is that it was on Fox so most people either won't see it or they won't believe it.Last I heard Fox News had beat CNN in the ratings.

Wouldn't this just all be part of their so called "Fair & Balanced" reporting?

ReadyontheRight
September 16, 2003, 02:28 PM
It sounds like Fox News is being balanced by bringing on numbskulls.

So...it was the handgun (all by itself) that killed the sister of the tennis stars -- not the fact that she was parked in a nice vehicle outside a crack house at midnight in a vary bad part of town. Her death is very unfortunate, but maybe she could have PROTECTED herself by either having a pistol of her own or -- better yet -- not putting herself in a bad situation in the first place.

I think Greta Van Whoever is the worst (best?) example of the OJ-ification of the news - endless pontification by so-called "experts" about every aspect of every trial on "true crime" events that either involve a celebrity or somehow made it into a slow news day.

I personally only care:

1. That we need to be on the lookout for some idiot out there hurting people
2. When they catch the idiot murderer/rapist/crooked politician
3. What the RESULTS of the trial were
4. That the execution was successful

This information does not a daily one hour news show make. But I guess I am not the audience for this cr*p. I suppose the audience for these legal shows is all those folks who enter law school every year.

HankB
September 16, 2003, 02:47 PM
We have lost a generation of the best and brightest black Americans due to guns and prisonsFunny . . . I never thought of gang bangers and prison inmates as representing the best and brightest of ANY group, regardless of color. The guest on Fox who said this seems to hold blacks in rather low regard . . . IMHO his racism is showing.

Lightsped
September 16, 2003, 02:55 PM
MTV is definately the worst. Those modern day hippies make me angry everytime anything even remotely dealing with guns comes up.

avery53
September 16, 2003, 03:21 PM
The guy on the news was Jeffery Fieger, ran for Michigan gov. a few years back. His biggest claim to fame was defending [Doctor death] Kevorkian.
We would sure like to get someone to take him off our hands. He would fit in well in Hollywood. Rabid liberal for sure.
Avery53 :cuss:

556A2
September 16, 2003, 11:04 PM
Hmmmm, I don't remember there being a damn war and occupation in America within since March. And I don't remember there being mass executions and torture chambers here in the ole US of A. If these liberal jerks think Iraq is so great why don't they move there? (waste of American oxygen and space IMO) :cuss: :banghead:

UnknownSailor
September 16, 2003, 11:29 PM
Of course, what that blowhard moron failed to mention about all those black deaths were how many of those murders were perpetrated by other blacks.

That always fails to get mentioned whenever this "blacks are disproportionally in prison" type of thing comes up. If the didn't do the crime, maytbe they wouldn't be in prison!

It's like arguing with a black slavery reperations proponent. Facts just sail over their heads without notice.

SoCalGeek
September 17, 2003, 12:11 AM
Thankfully, most people don't pay much if any attention to what they read on Faux News...

Futo Inu
September 17, 2003, 12:44 AM
BluesBear, you're being completely disingenous now, because it clearly was NOT meant as a joke, as evidenced by the fact that it was preceded by a setup denigrating lawyers (without exception), and the fact that you have now edit to delete said setup proves that you know that it was not a joke and have a guilty mind and want to cover it up. If it would have been said as a joke, which it clearly was not, then it would have been funny. Note the conspicuous absence of any smiley or other indication that it was a joke. Methinks you lie.

BluesBear
September 17, 2003, 01:07 AM
because it clearly was NOT meant as a joke, as evidenced by the fact that it was preceded by a setup denigrating lawyers (without exception), and the fact that you have now edit to delete said setup proves that you know that it was not a joke and have a guilty mind and want to cover it up.

What the heck are you talking about Futo? I didn't delete anything I only added the *disclaimer to my original post because I was tired of your whining to me about it.

Methinks your skin is too thin and/or your sense of humor is lacking. Maybe you are just too used to dealing with people with guilty minds who have a need to cover things up. Or perhaps you just think it's all about you.

I wish you nothing but continued success in your practice of law.

Now perhaps we can all get back to the original thread.

pax
September 17, 2003, 01:16 AM
Hey guys,

From THR's Code of Conduct (http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html):
4.) Spamming, trolling, flaming, and personal attacks are prohibited. You can disagree with other members, even vehemently, but it must be done in a well-mannered form. Attack the argument, not the arguer.
You guys want to squabble about which one has the better sense of humor, take it to PM. The rest of us don't want to hear it.

I'll leave this thread open if there are no further personal attacks or attempts to derail it. It'll be closed posthaste if there are.

pax

It started when he hit me back first! -- one of pax's kids, not very long ago

marvl
September 17, 2003, 11:05 AM
The lawyer obviously went to the Michael Moore School of Statistical Scatology. On the other hand, there is a minute grain of truth buried in what he says. Consider this, from the pages of the most recent issue of American Handgunner:

52 - Number of American solders killed in Iraq at press-time since the war "ended"

66 - Number of citizens murdered on the streets of Washington, D.C. in the same time period.

Maybe we should invade D.C.:scrutiny:

Partisan Ranger
September 17, 2003, 12:08 PM
Guns were quite accessible in my parents' home when I was a boy. Dad had two shotguns and ammo within easy reach in the closet. I never had the urge to pull one of the guns out and go shoot a kid who made fun of me or a teacher who flunked me. Somehow, without directly telling me, my parents taught me that such behavior was morally wrong.

By blaming objects rather than personal behavior and parenting, we are doing all people in this country a disservice.

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