Blazer Brass vs Win white box


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gilfo
November 3, 2008, 01:28 PM
Went to my local Wally World today, they had Blazer Brass for 2 dollars cheaper than the Win white box which I normally get. Any input as to which is better or are they about the same.

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The Lone Haranguer
November 3, 2008, 01:44 PM
I've shot both. They seem about the same. Two 50-round boxes of BB cost less than one 100-round box of WWB.

jabara572
November 3, 2008, 04:18 PM
the blazer brass since its $2 cheaper....


ive shot many of both, the first time i shot blazer brass i got bullets and cases that looked oxidized and not polished at all....

every other box ive shot has been nice, smooth and polished like the wwb.

they seem the same to me, in my random experience i "seem" more accurate with BB, thats just me. BB is cheaper, so thats what i shoot.

Mad Magyar
November 3, 2008, 04:30 PM
Last week, used Blazer Brass .45acp from Wally World in my Colt Officer's model. No hiccups and noticed no difference in the shot pattern...I'm sold on it, so far..:)

CountGlockula
November 3, 2008, 05:04 PM
Both are fine. Majority of my range ammo has been Wally World stuff...Blazer Brass and WWB.

surjimmy
November 3, 2008, 05:28 PM
I was shooting BB about 8mo ago in my Les Baer 1911. Was told by a member on another site that BB has had to buy 3 different guns for their rounds damaging 3 of their guns. I took this with a grain of salt, but did call LB to confirm this. He did. I never had any problems with BB, but have since stop using it. Not saying this will happen to you, just thought you guys would like to know.

conan
November 3, 2008, 10:50 PM
just thought you guys would like to know.

Thanks, I just started using it through my Baers.

possum
November 3, 2008, 11:07 PM
before i got into reloading i shot each of the brands, and alot, they are equal in my book, and i can't tell that much of a difference, i just go with what is the cheapest.

PCRit
November 4, 2008, 02:09 PM
Surjimmy,

What kind of "damage" was the Blazer Brass causing to the LBs?

I've heard of problems with the aluminum cased Blazer, but never with the Brass cased ammo.

foghornl
November 4, 2008, 03:00 PM
Have shot them both in .45ACP calibre...can't tell any appreciable difference in either my KP-90 Ruger or the Springfield 1911's.

kejam
November 4, 2008, 03:53 PM
Ive put plenty of both through my XD - no problems with either.

surjimmy
November 4, 2008, 10:18 PM
Did'nt think to ask LB, just asked him if it was true or not. The guy who told me about it said the cartridge blew up in the chamber. The brass they use is super cheap and real flimsy.

JZ06
November 4, 2008, 10:21 PM
i've shot THOUSANDS of rounds of both. never a problem. heck, go with the lowest cost ammo for the most fun.

searcher451
November 4, 2008, 10:56 PM
It's always been my view that Winchester white box burns a bit cleaner than the Blazer, but that might be my imagination as much as anything else. I've never had a complaint with either brand.

evan price
November 5, 2008, 03:57 AM
I call BS on the "Super cheap and flimsy" Blazer Brass story. I have weighed cartridge cases to compare and CCI & Blazer headstamped 9mm weighs virtually the same as WIN and Speer and Geco and PMP cases I weighed. The only case that was different enough to notice were A-MERC which were heavier (??) and R-P which were lighter. And we're talking slightly!

Ben86
November 5, 2008, 07:29 AM
To me WWB is a little cleaner. It is also a little hotter. I like that because it makes more realistic practice ammo, and good if the you know what really hits the fan and I have to use it for SD ammo.

WWB: http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/handgundetail.aspx?symbol=Q4172&cart=OW1tIEx1Z2Vy

BB: http://www.blazer-ammo.com/blazer_brass.aspx

TeamPrecisionIT
November 5, 2008, 08:11 AM
The only thing I noticed with it is that the brass is usually dirty resulting in my hands getting black even before I start shooting. But it hasn't faulted me yet and it is pretty close in price to buying bulk. $8/50 here at wal mart and I usually buy 5 boxes before going to the range. So for $40 I have a good hour and a half to two hours of ammo.

Damian

PCRit
November 5, 2008, 08:30 AM
I'm not sure I buy the "cheap brass" bit either. I'm just guessing that they had a problem with the aluminum cased Blazer, where the cases HAVE been known to split. I think they're talking apples/oranges here and are saying the BB is bad just because it's Blazer ammo and they had a problem with the aluminum cased ammo.

jabara572
November 16, 2008, 11:08 PM
Ive noticed something strange, not much info at all on the web about it.



I bought 4 boxes of Blazer 9mm that was very clean and shiny just like wwb, these rounds were marked CCI on the headstamp.

recently i bought another 4 boxes that have completely different colored copper bullets (paler) and the cases are not as smooth and polished. These are marked "BLAZER" on the headstamp.

as far as I can tell, the rounds marked CCI on the headstamp are polished better and simply feel smoother.


Im not sure which variety of blazer brass is newer, but they are definitely of different manufacture using diffrent materials, or one is simply old stock.......

Lurp
November 17, 2008, 12:26 AM
I had a lot of troubles with Blazer Brass in my 1911. It would constantly jam and cause FTF's on me, so I switched to WWB and haven't had a problem since. I wont ever use Blazer Brass again.

skinewmexico
November 17, 2008, 10:13 AM
Blazer brass, unless you can find regular Blazer even cheaper.

Ben86
November 17, 2008, 12:42 PM
I just noticed something about the velocity rating of the wwb fmj on their website. They don't list the barrel length. Coincidence? Maybe they are really using a 4.5" or 5" barrel to make it look hotter when it's in fact loaded aproximately the same as the other brands of practice ammo. :0

XDShooter07
November 17, 2008, 02:09 PM
I haven't had a problem with either but have found Remington UMC to be much cleaner burning than either of them and it can normally be found on sale at Dicks so I stick with that.

jaholder1971
November 17, 2008, 03:03 PM
No issues with either, except my 1911 doesn't like WWB hardball, groups are lousy. BB and UMC hardball shoots fine.

KBintheSLC
November 17, 2008, 04:19 PM
I have used both brands many times in several calibers. Both have always performed well. I would get the one that costs less $$$

mr.trooper
November 17, 2008, 04:38 PM
I prefer the winchester to Blazer Brass.

WAID
November 17, 2008, 05:16 PM
I found the Blazer brass to actually be cleaner than WWB in my .45. I have used quite a bit of BB in my .357 as well and found the Blazer .22LR to be one of the best rounds in my 10/22.

The brass used in BB is not cheap brass(at least not more so than other lines). i have toured the factory that it is made in and talked to the engineers there. The brass is made the same way on the same machines with the same materials as the speer, CCI, Federal, and other brands that are made there(depends on caliber and current contracts). The BB does not however go through the same levels of quality control as the more expensive lines(which are hand inspected and loaded into boxes).

Aluminum cased stuff is a whole different story. Even the engineers there had little good to say about that

There is also a distinct possibility that ATK has outsourced some of the BB at times which could be one explanation of quality problems. They where extremely busy and expanding capacity but not able to meet all needs(.17 HMR had displaced all of their .22 WMR which was being outsourced.) when I visited them.

Blind Bat
November 17, 2008, 07:12 PM
For me both rounds seem to feel and perform similar. However, I just started reloading and I noticed that after tumbling the inside of the BB cartridges looks a little cleaner which makes me think the BB might be a little cleaner overall. The inside of the tumbled WWB / BB case is still dirtier than a "dirty" fired Fiochi (sic?), Speer, or RP case. I figured it was oxidation until I took apart an unfired WWB round and found it to be nice an shiny on the inside.

1911 guy
November 18, 2008, 09:12 AM
I find them to be about the same, so I buy whatever is cheaper. Both shoot to POA in my pistols, so I don't sweat it. I'm a loyal fan of saving my cash.

surjimmy
November 18, 2008, 09:23 AM
evan price, PCRit you can call BS all you want. I did'nt say it was cheap brass, but one of the best Gun Builders of our time did. I never had a problem with it myself, just followed up on what someone told me. You can take it or leave it, but I think I will take the advise of someone that has nothing to gain by making that statement and makes one of the best pistol's made.

Lonest@r
November 18, 2008, 09:42 AM
I bought 1 box each last weekend at my local Wally World to go play with.

I had a Blazer Brass dud. Primer popped, but no bang. After unchambering, the primer was gone completely, and I was able to pour powder out of the primer hole.

Other than that, they both seemed to go bang, as for accuracy, I need practice, both seemed about the same from bench.

jocko
November 18, 2008, 04:38 PM
I can buy with my wifes discount at Wal-mart 100 pak winchester white box for $18. If I could find blazer brass any cheaper in price I would buy them also. For paper punching both work great in my kahr PM9.

RON in PA
November 18, 2008, 04:58 PM
In my experience shooting a Smith M&P 9 the BB often ejected straight back and hit my head a high percentage of the time. Never had this problem with WWB.
Maybe it was one lot of BB, but based on my limited exposure, BB seems to be loaded on the wimpy side.

COMPNOR
November 18, 2008, 05:12 PM
I can buy with my wifes discount at Wal-mart 100 pak winchester white box for $18. If I could find blazer brass any cheaper in price I would buy them also. For paper punching both work great in my kahr PM9.


And if your Walmart carries Blazer Brass, even at 50 rounds, two boxes is still cheaper than 1 WWB 100 rd count, and the discount still applies.

Because thats what I do. Unless they're out of BB, then I buy WWB.

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