Gun Owners Are Getting The Message!


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camslam
November 3, 2008, 04:15 PM
It was interesting to see on the Ammoman.com website that they sold more ammo last week than at any time previous in their 26 year history.

I was responsible for 6,000 rounds of that, but their price on Wolf 7.62 x 39jumped another $10 per 1000 and is up $20 per 1000 over the last 3 weeks.

Coupled with the increase in gun sales (10%) over last years impressive growth, I would say gun owners are starting to see the writing on the wall.

The next 4 years are going to be an interesting time to be a gun owner, but the next few months should be a wild ride. Whether or not Obama, Reid, Pelosi, and their ilk actually pass more gun control measures, I think smart businesses are going to be raising their prices regardless, based on the assumed results of this election.

On a sidenote, I have noticed a price increase in most of the items I usually shop for, including ammo, magazines, and guns. Let's hope it doesn't get too high. I know there have been some price drops as well, but overall the prices seem to be higher for most items, even if it is only 10 to 20%.

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James T Thomas
November 3, 2008, 04:25 PM
Why is it that somehow I hear a pair of hands briskley rubbing together over this post, and get a sense that someone is also drooling?

Jorg Nysgerrig
November 3, 2008, 04:32 PM
Is the message that panic buying raises prices?

camslam
November 3, 2008, 04:38 PM
Is the message that panic buying raises prices?

I don't know if it is panic, but prices are definitely rising. Anytime there is uncertainty in the future regarding availability and access, you are going to have increased present demand.

I just found it interesting that in 26 years of doing business, Ammoman sold more last week than ever before. That tells me that other gun owners were thinking the same as me. Get it while you can for as cheap as you can.

We could all be surprised at the results of the election tomorrow and see our gun rights left alone for the next 4 years on a federal level, but then again, the sun could come up in the west tomorrow morning as well. ;)

It is interesting to me when you start seeing little things add up, such as increased gun sales, highest amounts of ammo ever sold, backordered items all over the place, etc....

I wasn't trying to scream that the sky is falling, just making an observation. And yes, I think gun and gun supplies retailers are probably licking their lips and rubbing their hands for at least the next 6 months, because when Obama wins tomorrow, they will have a good reason to raise the prices.

daskro
November 3, 2008, 04:49 PM
So you bought 6,000 rounds of x39, do you also reload?

MikePGS
November 3, 2008, 04:50 PM
Supply and Demand.

Bill2e
November 3, 2008, 04:52 PM
Well lets just hope they vote for Run rights

SRT1
November 3, 2008, 04:54 PM
I was very surprised at the gun show here in KC this last weekend to see the aisles packed with people and most of them leaving with cases of ammo. some even brought dollies with them to help get it all to their vehicles. In talking with the vendors, they to a man said that they'd never sold so much before at a single show. Some were out and had to start taking orders. Justified or not, there IS a significant amount of paranoia out there.

Double Naught Spy
November 3, 2008, 05:59 PM
Yeah, the only message I see is that they are panic buying because they had not previously stocked up on necessary supplies.

camslam
November 3, 2008, 06:03 PM
Justified or not, there IS a significant amount of paranoia out there.

What is that old adage? Oh yeah, "Better to be safe, than sorry."

I just got back from the "store which shall not be named", and there were 4 people buying ammo. I asked the cashier if he had seen an uptick in sales and he looked at me like I was stupid and said, "are you kidding me".

Whether the threat is only perceived or real, like I said in the title, gun owners seem to be getting the message.

So you bought 6,000 rounds of x39, do you also reload?

I bought another 6,000 rounds, but I don't reload at this point, perhaps in the future. I have made significant additions to the ammo stores over the last 2 months and while you can never have enough, I have ample to get me through whatever may come my way.

Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
November 3, 2008, 06:06 PM
If McCain loses tomorrow, then not ENOUGH gun owners got the message. :(

skwab
November 3, 2008, 06:16 PM
To me getting the message isn't panic buying. To me getting the message is becoming active, writing your congressmen, protecting your rights, not responding to the potential of having our rights taken away. How is that getting the message?

moooose102
November 3, 2008, 06:22 PM
If McCain loses tomorrow, then not ENOUGH gun owners got the message
+ 2 here! the wife and i will be there early to try to keep the liberals from getting our guns!

camslam
November 3, 2008, 06:27 PM
To me getting the message isn't panic buying. To me getting the message is becoming active, writing your congressmen, protecting your rights, not responding to the potential of having our rights taken away. How is that getting the message?

Skwab, while I agree with you for the most part, I think any prudent gun owner would look at the landscape ahead of them and see that despite any and all efforts they have made, things probably aren't looking good for gun rights. I.E. - they are getting the message.

So doesn't it make sense to purchase, obtain, and load up, on those things that we may be finding it tougher to acquire in the next few years?

When our country is dumb enough, fed up enough, desperate enough, to vote in the direction it is headed, it will take more than gun owners to turn it around. That being said, there are plenty of gun owners here on THR and other places that have made it clear they are not "1 issue voters". So not even gun owners can really be counted on to protect their rights. :barf:

newkahrman
November 3, 2008, 06:33 PM
2nd amendment is first and foremost for me. Without it we are on the way to not having any rights. Notice it is the only amendment that says "Shall not be infringed".

Friendly, Don't Fire!
November 3, 2008, 06:37 PM
Hear, hear!:)

Phydeaux642
November 3, 2008, 06:42 PM
but their price on Wolf 7.62 x 39jumped another $10 per 1000 and is up $20 per 1000 over the last 3 weeks.


It's called price gouging (although not an extreme case in terms of dollars) but will not be viewed as such because most folks don't look at ammo as an essential item. I don't deal with people like this and the store I trade with doesn't practice it.

Larry E
November 3, 2008, 06:42 PM
I've seen too many letters to the editor in the local paper from people saying that they've been hunters and gun owners for whatever number of years, but they're going to vote for change. I sure hope that they can afford the higher energy prices that's been guaranteed - it's a change, and having their guns either made illegal or having to obtain a license and register their guns.

Gonna be interesting, but those who don't stock up or haven't in the past few months are going to be up the creek without a paddle I'm afraid.

camslam
November 3, 2008, 06:48 PM
Gonna be interesting, but those who don't stock up or haven't in the past few months are going to be up the creek without a paddle I'm afraid.

Yep.

Quote:
but their price on Wolf 7.62 x 39jumped another $10 per 1000 and is up $20 per 1000 over the last 3 weeks.

It's called price gouging (although not an extreme case in terms of dollars) but will not be viewed as such because most folks don't look at ammo as an essential item. I don't deal with people like this and the store I trade with doesn't practice it.

I don't think Ammoman is gouging on the price, plus they have consistently had the lowest prices on ammo that I can find. I was waiting to pull the trigger on another big ammo purchase because the price of metals has dropped significantly, but with BHO headed to the Big White House, I doubt we are going to see much relief in prices on anything related to guns. So I went ahead and topped off the reserves, but either way, I am glad I will have several thousand more rounds delivered to my doorstep tomorrow. :)

I guess we can still hope. :rolleyes:

Phydeaux642
November 3, 2008, 06:57 PM
the price of metals has dropped significantly

I don't mean to be contrary, but this kind of proves my point. I don't see a huge increase in ammo sales locally (even though I know they have risen elsewhere) but gun sales have gone nuts. It seems to me that many gun owners have given up and are buying while the buying is good.

FMJMIKE
November 3, 2008, 08:30 PM
Just ammo makers getting rich on gun owners paranoia...........IMHO!!!
:scrutiny:

offthepaper
November 3, 2008, 09:16 PM
If McCain loses tomorrow, then not ENOUGH gun owners got the message.


Or not enough gun owners to get the message to anymore.
I may get flamed for this, but our numbers are dwindling as time goes by. We, as responsible gun owners, should see this in as a wake-up call and every gun owner should make a point to introduce the young to the various shooting sports. While doing so, the responsible gun owner/citizen should also explain to the new pupil that the 2nd A. wasn't put there because of anything to do with duck hunting, and how precious that right is. But most importantly, they must understand that once that right is lost, it is unlikely to return, and the other "guaranteed" rights are now endangered.
It just seems to me that so many of my daughters friends (mostly 20-24 y.o) who have not been involved with FA's just buy into the notion that tightened gun laws or even outright gun bans wouldn't be that big a deal (beleive me I've explained this in detail to my daughter) but they see our govt as something that will always be there exactly as they now know it. They can't seriously even imagine our country ever evolving into a totalitarian state.
I'm not saying the sky is falling politically. I'm just refering to the statment by Premium Sauces. I'm in total agreement with his statement, I'm just afraid our numbers are falling short. We need to get serious about increasing the next generation of gunowners in order to have enough political clout to ensure gun rights in this country and elsewhere.

Just Offthepaper getting it off his chest. :cuss:

jakemccoy
November 3, 2008, 10:45 PM
I didn't buy more ammo. I stopped shooting. I need my money to take advantage of other investment opportunities. However, don't be fooled. My guns are ready for self-defense or for a mountain lion attack. By the way, I have to say that I support Obama if we're free to slip in our little political comments. I'm also a life member of both the NRA and the SAF.

30 cal slob
November 4, 2008, 07:30 AM
I've seen too many letters to the editor in the local paper from people saying that they've been hunters and gun owners for whatever number of years, but they're going to vote for change.

I've seen several examples of that lately.

Last weekend I was at my local gun shop - guy in a car with a Obama bumper sticker pulls up and runs into the store. Buys an AR 15. You know it's gonna be bad when the Obama fans start hoarding EBRs. LOL.

My co-worker (reserve .mil) and I have been discussing firearms suitable for home protection frequently over the past few weeks. He voted for BHO today, but this past weekend he went to a gun shop and bought a Remington 870 and a Ruger 10/22. He had his eyes on a Hartford Horsey EBR, but it was a bit too much bling. He's hoping he has a few more months to save up for an EBR.

I'm guessing there are no shortage of gun owners who are voting for BHO, at least in my neck of the woods. Which could be an encouraging thing, if there are enough voices in the party to keep POTUS and Congress off of new federal gun control. But I ain't holding my breath.

FWIW, I voted the pro-gun ticket this morning. I did my part and hope other gun owners do the same.

foghornl
November 4, 2008, 07:43 AM
While I find myself disagreeing with Sen. McCain on a lot of things, I could not bring myself to vote for someown who supports even "reasonable gun control".

"Rasonable Gun Control" means you only hit the target center about 50% of the time :) :evil: :neener: :evil: :)

Claymore1500
November 4, 2008, 08:49 AM
Just my opinion,

Much as in a situational awarness condition, you should NOT let the "bad guy" get in your face, Yes, they are getting the message, but the "Message" seems to be coming about 40 years too late.

The "BAD GUYS" are in our face, and now we HAVE to do something as a last effort to stop them, when we should have been keeping them back for years.

gunNoob
November 4, 2008, 08:50 AM
Not sure but I just ordered 1000 rounds for the WASR. yay!

rfurtkamp
November 4, 2008, 09:00 AM
To me getting the message isn't panic buying. To me getting the message is becoming active, writing your congressmen, protecting your rights, not responding to the potential of having our rights taken away. How is that getting the message?

I look at it this way (and I haven't had to buy anything because I've been stocked for a long long time). To protect myself from the potential of crime, I do common-sense things - I avoid bad places, I make sure I can defend myself and others, I do volunteer work to try to make the world a generally better place.

But when push comes to shove and things outside my control happen...I do what is necessary and as reasonable a response to the threat as possible.

If I didn't already have what was on my 'must have' list, I'd be 'panic buying' too. I bought quite a few things in the spring of '04, when it wasn't ever sure that the AWB would be replaced by something worse - I lost some money initially, but...

...I had what I wanted and needed.

What's wrong with people doing the same?

Cacique500
November 4, 2008, 09:36 AM
So doesn't it make sense to purchase, obtain, and load up, on those things that we may be finding it tougher to acquire in the next few years?

If you haven't been stocking up for the past couple years you're already WAY behind the curve.

I'm in gun shops every day and I'm amazed to see people running in and buying an AR...but they're not buying extra mags or extra ammo. What good is that EBR going to do you with nothing to put in it? Some people just don't look at the big picture.

If BHO wins you're going to see a lot of stuff dry up...*overnight*

rfurtkamp
November 4, 2008, 10:01 AM
If BHO wins you're going to see a lot of stuff dry up...*overnight*


Which means I'll be selling my parts bin and overstock soon.

22-rimfire
November 4, 2008, 10:07 AM
What message? Not sure what the increased buying indicates. But to me it hints at even more price increases in the near future and a shortage. I'm not personally preparing for a war and I don't need 10,000 rounds of military ammo. But I have a good supply of what I shoot. No panic buying here.

I personally think that party loyality, race, and the desire for CHANGE trumps gun rights from a voting perspective by the average voter. I only have to look as far as my father. He always votes Democrat because he says they are for the little guy. It amazes me with the low popularity of Congress that voters aren't trying to put most of the existing bunch of Congressmen and Senators that are up for re-election out on their ear.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed that my faith in Americans will be restored.

FMJMIKE
November 4, 2008, 07:05 PM
Let the greedy thieves raise the price !!! I am shooting .22lr from now on......:mad:

wacki
November 4, 2008, 08:04 PM
One of the biggest gun nuts in the city that I know has Obama signs all over his house. I walked in and he was even wearing an O button. I just stood there, baffled.

Realbigo
November 4, 2008, 08:14 PM
IMHO, we got the dirty end no matter who gets elected. A year ago, no one would have considered McCain the "pro-gun" canidate. I'm really praying for the silent majority to raise it's un counted head again this time regardless. I don't want to live in a Socialist country, legal guns or not.

cliffy
November 4, 2008, 08:38 PM
I rarely destroy the target by throwing rocks or firing blanks or by shooting 6mm soft-air "bullets." SOON, WILD PIGS and COYOTES and WOLVES and IRANIANS will eat Americans out of house and home, not to mention our childrens' demise. The time is now to FIGHT BACK. MOUNTAIN LIONS are NOT reclusive creatures. Maybe Stem Cell reseach could re-incarnate Cave Bears to finish-off the plight of Americans. Sorry if I'm so adamant regarding American survival. cliffy, the disgusted and sad.

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