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hso
November 3, 2008, 11:56 PM
Running around shouting "The Sky Is Falling" does none of us any good.

Nothing will happen for months if the election doesn't go to your liking so let's not panic yet.

Better yet, let's not panic at all.

Use this to plan, prepare and work with your elected officials at all levels.

The lesson learned from the AWB wasn't that discord, disarray and panic served any purpose (but the antis')

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CRITGIT
November 3, 2008, 11:58 PM
If ever!
Well put!

CRITGIT

distra
November 4, 2008, 06:23 AM
Huh? :confused: Every hear of a hard hat? Belt and suspenders? :neener: Again, if you are sitting there thinking "It will be ok if the Big O gets it. It will take months or years before anything happens." you are seriously out of touch with reality. The AWB is inevitible with this crew don't become complacent. I understand your message, but let's face yet another fact, if the AWB is "perminent" how much money would each of us stand to loose? You ask "How could an AWB actually cost me money?" well if you happen to own a "banned" weapon now you could not sell it in the future to anyone if the need arrises. Many times here I've read about folks needing to sell their firearms to get some much needed $$. This is just one reason to "panic" and get your collection in order, stock up on mags, stock up on ammo, primers, powder, bullet heads, etc. Sitting around waiting for the sky to fall is much worse than the "panic" building of your shelter. ;)

Golden Hound
November 4, 2008, 06:29 AM
I don't think we should panic. I do think we should be rational about this and act calmly. However...I do not share others' optimism about the survival of our gun rights under a potential Obama presidency. With the Dems also in control of the legislative branch, it doesn't look too bright.

General Geoff
November 4, 2008, 06:35 AM
The 1994 ban was passed under an entirely different political climate.


If any such effort to significantly curtail our rights as gun owners crops up in 2009, we will be prepared. Do not underestimate the power of the Internet as a tool to facilitate grass-roots activism. Need I remind you of Dan Cooper, Jim Zumbo, HR1022, et. all? We have the advantage in numbers. We have the advantage in communication. All we need now is cooperation. Then we can beat anything.

Golden Hound
November 4, 2008, 06:45 AM
That's a valid point, but circumstances could very well change. As I've said before - what if there is a severe economic recession or depression? I mean, like REALLY bad, like the Great Depression. We will see a LOT of crime. There will be a lot of pressure upon politicians (who will be majority Democrat in the senate and house) to "do something about this epidemic of crime," and as we all know, that is likely to come in the form of gun bans. With a viciously antigun Dem in the Oval Office, who knows what sort of horrible bills will get signed with the stroke of a pen.

tuck2
November 4, 2008, 06:59 AM
You will be seeing all semi auto firearms on the ban list if o boma hood get to be pres.-- GET OUT AND VOTE......

98C5
November 4, 2008, 07:28 AM
Funny Hso, I was going to post the same kind of thread. I've been on several boards and this panic talk/buying is getting a little crazy. Even if BHO happens to get in office, an AWB is not a priority. There are too many other things to be dealt with. All this panic is only causing prices of ammo & guns to skyrocket and making the gun dealers a LOT of $$$. I'm pretty sure that even if BHO is elected, I will still be able to buy my 40 S&W ammo in June of '09.

-They are not going to take our guns away.
-They are not going to revoke our CCW permits.

General Geoff
November 4, 2008, 07:31 AM
I hope you're right, 98C5. I really do.

Mp7
November 4, 2008, 07:36 AM
with so many bad strategists at work - doing war business under US-leadership worldwide - the govīt cannot afford the citizens to stop practicing shooting.
The whole world would laugh, if not only would it be apparent, that people like Rumsfeld not only canīt read Sun Tzu or Clausewitz, but the marksmanship of the US Forces would also suck.

so no worries about bans. They canīt afford to do it.

Surefire
November 4, 2008, 07:42 AM
Look at the leadership given that Obama has the presidency about wrapped up.

The president, senate leader, and house leader are at the extreme side on the left.

The Dems will pick up several seats in the senate. If they pick up enough seats, even an all-out ban (such as one of our loved senators talked about on 60 minutes) is possible in Mr. President's second term (the all-out ban won't happen in the first term, because that would cost him re-election).

There is apparently ALREADY an AWB II on the back burner.

How can one NOT panic?

I think expecting our gun rights to continue as we know it is at best polyannic, and possibly a state of denial.

The ONLY hope, the way I see it, is that the moderate to conservative blue dog democrats will take our side on this one. Depending on the blue dogs may be our last stand, the way I see it.

JWarren
November 4, 2008, 07:47 AM
-They are not going to take our guns away.
-They are not going to revoke our CCW permits.


Probably.

But let's face it. The odds statistically go up when you have a president elected that flat out states that those are things that he supports. His words, not mine.

The Obama-supporter gun owners always talk about what will PROBABLY be the situation, but never what the desire of the candidate. (I was not referencing any particular person in this)


If a person has repeatedly stated that he would like to rape my wife, I would do my utmost to keep him away from her and protect her-- even if I thought that she could take care of herself.


-- John

98C5
November 4, 2008, 07:54 AM
Think about the millions of members in the NRA, GOA, local gun clubs, local chapters, VCDL(Virginia Civil Defense League), etc.

I can see an AWB possibly getting reinstated, but a ban on all guns? Will not happen. Would all these progun members voluntarily hand over their firearms? Never. Just think of the resistance it would cause. It would be another civil war.

Surefire
November 4, 2008, 07:59 AM
^The problem is, I've seen it posted on some libertarian websites that AWB II not only bans most (possibly all) semi-autos, but also many high-capacity lever-guns. 19th century technology is apparently now considered an "assault weapon". Watch it get expanded well beyond this.

I could easily see a scenario where only rimfire single shots are legal by the end of this administration.

I'd love to be flat out wrong, and will eat crow if I am. But how can the gun lobby stop an extreme-left dominated senate, house, president, and possibly surpreme court (they will appoint more lefty extremists in the surpreme court at first chance).

I just hope the blue dogs have the guts to stand up against the extremes.

98C5
November 4, 2008, 08:04 AM
However, if this bill was proposed, Senators, Congressmen, (Pubs and Dems) etc would be bombarded with emails, calls, letters from pro gunners NOT to pass the bill. They would be under such pressure(and probably threats) that the bill would most definitely be squashed.

Surefire
November 4, 2008, 08:10 AM
^I really hope your right.

I would feel a lot better if at least one of the checks and balances was controlled by a moderate (an even better scenario would be to have a right-leaning senate or house, but that won't happen anytime soon). Why did they have to put one of the most radical members of the Democratic party as house leader? A moderate would have been able to reach out and work with both sides of the aisle so much easier...

hso
November 4, 2008, 08:31 AM
The inevitable politicization of a "Don't Panic" thread seems to have taken place and the willful misinterpretation of the warning as well so this one's going to close.

The point is that panic does no one any good. Ever. Running around squawking and flapping like fowl when the fox approaches the hen house is not going to do us any good.

Don't Panic. Participate, Plan, Prepare with Purpose is what's needed instead.

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